Experiment, What is The Best Knot For Circle Hooks, Snell or Clinch?
Vložit
- čas přidán 19. 01. 2019
- In this video I do an experiment that determines which knot is best to use for tying on a circle hook, a clinch or snell? I was amazed when I saw a charter boat captain do a similar demonstration the other night. The results were so compelling that I'll never attach a circle hook on ever again with a clinch knot.
I also demonstrate two easy and fast ways to tie on a circle hook using the snell knot.
Patreon Support Page
/ radreelingfishing
Facebook
/ radreelingfishing
#snellknot #tyingoncirclehooks - Sport
I will remember that next time i go plastic cup fishing!!!
That is one of the best tutorials and demonstrations of how good a properly tied snell knot is, really enjoyed and learned from this video, thanks JC.
That's why I use the loop knot...I've had a great hookup ratio with that knot and its also super quick. Exceptional video!!
So this is why I miss sometimes! Awesome, thanks for the tip. Greatly appreciated.
Well done 100% true. It makes an incredible difference. Spread the word
Great video. Was looking for ways to make a game changer in my catfishing experience this year. I will definitly be using the snell knot on my circle hooks this year. Had been using the polamer knot on everything. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I agree, I'll be using this knot for the circle hook for the rest of my life!
EXCELLENT class room.!!!
Loved it.
Another awesome freaking, frucking video. I don't know about the rest of the world but I appreciate it a lot. Thank you. It's also great that the camera is pointing over your shoulder instead of ass-backwards pointing at you (that's totally useless). Very cool!!!
Wow great advice man, I'm surely going to try it out. Thanks for the tip
You are welcome. Thanks for watching. Yeah, for a very long time I've told friends and family that I didn't think it mattered how a circle hook was tied on. I have totally changed my view point.
Nice spirit of experimentation!
👏👏👏 I almost always use snelled Circles except in a few circumstances. I actually made a video about circle hook vs J hooks and mortality rates , but never posted it. Maybe I will. Great vid 👍👍
Thanks for watching and commenting. That sounds like a video I'd be interested in watching for sure.
The hooks orientation to the cup is different.One is facing inward causing more hookups.the other is facing outward
truth
That's exactly what I thought when I saw this. Doesn't seem accurate at all.
I've been Snelling for years but I use the circle hoop with bent eye I think that makes it a octopus circle hook that way the line comes straight out and the hook hangs straight that's my way thanks JOHN 🇺🇸🐟🎣🙏🏻🌴⛱
Ive used the clinch and improved clinch knot fresh and in saltwater never failed me.Ive landed everything big with circle hooks. I started crimping my hooks to my leader better than any knot and no play or movement on the hook my pliers were pricey just more easy
Always a great video...Sy
Great video.
Dude what a great video...great information..i have never snelled my circle hooks...i will now..thank you brother
Thanks for watching. Yeah, I'll be snelling mine from now on for sure. I didn't say it in the video, but the snelled knot had 100% hook ups on the cup, ha ha...
The Snell is pretty much all I use for any livebait fishing, good vid and advice JC
It's funny I made a video about this...I remember telling you I didn't really think it mattered how a circle hook was tied on. That captain the other night really made an impression on me with his cup demonstration. Thanks for watching.
@@RadReelingFishing willingness to accept being wrong and learn is the greatest tools fisherman can possess. In my opinion, is the greatest tool one can possess in any aspect of life. Deny ones ego, and become better.
Great video 😊
Great Video Thanks
that was an Impressive demo of the Snelled knot on a circle hook Thx for sharing
Thanks! Very helpful.
since making this video, a loop knot will do just as good.
Awesome video like the two cameras
Thanks. I switch the scenes a little too quickly. That's the first time I've used two camera angles in the house during a narration like that. As you know this filming stuff is about learning from experience. Next time I'll give a little more length in the edit for the second view shots.
Always preached it ... the first knot is my preferred method.... why it works so well is because it presents the gap of the point and the shank at the optimum position... also it works on open style hooks.... sometimes u can get away with using a smaller size hook by snelling because u expose the gap of the hook in the best possible position... thanks for showing this I hope a lot of fisherman try it 😎
Very good!
Hey, man! Ive been subbed to you for a few months now and I don't really get to comment much (watching on PlayStation and at work) and i apologize for that. I had to come back and find this video, though. I watched this one a couple of weeks ago and adopted the snelling method almost exclusively! Dude, this has made a huge difference for me with hookups! When im at the peir the fish hook themselves most of the time! lol anyway, i had to say thank you and let you know that im always watching your videos, even if i can't always comment. Tight lines from Ocala!
Thanks for watching. I recently had a snelled hook with a uni knot come undone. Apparently I did something wrong when I tied the knot. If you are using a uni to snell, check that knot really super good. Thanks for commenting.
@@RadReelingFishing I saw that! Bummer, man! But no, im just using the standard snell knot and so far its been fantastic!
Other than that, awesomely informational video
How about if the eye upward what is the best knot i use it
Great information JC. Will be snelling my circle hooks from now on. Learn something new everyday
Thanks for watching. Yeah, I came away from this experiment with the same thought in mind.
Dang JC, you're giving away my secrets! I always snell my hooks. It does take longer than other knots, but you just get better hookup rates.
I use the second method to snell mine. If you form the loop running with the turn of the circle hook (I point mine down), then turn the hook point away from the loop, it makes tying it easier and faster. I've tried the first method but prefer the second shown.
Thanks for watching. Ha ha...I'll have to try your method.
I started off years ago using the clinch knot for fishing Steelhead in Lake Erie tributaries, hands down the snell is the best knot for fishing steelhead, the snell really stiffs up the hook shaft and turns it to catch any fish in the bony part of the mouth, the clinch knot is just to wobbly and lose, and might totally miss everything when trying to set the hook.
Great points. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you..
the orientation of the hooks vs the lip of the cup is different. also, i was always tought that the snell is only for a circle hook when the eye is not inline, like most circle hooks today. if the eye IS inline, like on the hooks used in the video, a clinch will work better. the inline will cam properly with a clinch or polymer, and the offset will cam properly with a snell or no knot snell.
even more fun, an octopus with an offset eye will cam with a snell, but set OR cam with a clinch.
and, before anyone gets sassy, circle hooks have been used off shore with crimps basically forever, and still getting amazing hookup ratios.
I like the multiple camera angles during the intro, however the segments could be a little longer.
No excuses... it's the first time I've tried to film and edit in house with two camera angles like that during a narration. I totally agree with you. I'll have to work on looking at the secondary camera longer. Thanks for your input, greatly appreciated.
@@RadReelingFishing Sometimes I find that the secondary angle is good without looking at the camera but rather continuing to look at the main camera. Regardless, great information presented in this video !
Wow I'm the opposite. I found the constant camera changes irritating. Still I assume that it was a beginners obsession and you have smoothed it out since. Enjoyed the content but found it unwatchable once you got to how to snell a hook. Something I have mastered today already.
JC, I know this is an old one but this is great information.
Thanks for watching. I actually have discovered that a look knot works great on circle hooks and is so much easier to tie than a snell.
@@RadReelingFishing A look knot?, never heard of it and nobody has it on CZcams.
Been using snelled for circles since I started using them for soaking bait. Have you tried using a loop knot with circle hooks?
No, after doing this experiment I feel like any knot above the eye of the hook could cause problems.
Did they talk about any difference between using an inline and offset circle hook when snelling? I usually use an octopus circle hook that has an offset, but recently switched to using demon inline circles. The hookup ration has been a little off, and noticed on the inline hooks 1 out of 3 will break the knot. I believe it because of the angle of the leader going through the eye?
When I said offest, I meant the eye has a shank in it vs straight like yours in the video here
U guys down in Florida fish for cups we use them for holding our drinks
I love it. thanks for commenting.
Main outdoorsman. i live in florida and I fish for catfish big catfish a 10 r 20 lbr is average we do lots better with a CUP IN ONE HAND AND A ROD N REEL WITH A 9.O SNELLED HOOK AND A LIVE BLUEGILL IN THE OTHER. GO CHECK YOUR LOBSTER TRAP AND LEAVE THE FISHING TO REAL FISHERMAN.
GREAT information. I'd never thought about this. I'll certainly be snelling from now on, which I've never done, but your demo makes it easy.
Hi Jason trying to find a list of needs for shore fishing. Have all my tackle and water tight plaster boxes 6 of them have my rods and reels, all my tools. I have fished here all my life on boats. I can throw a casting net for bait. What is needed to carry gear from ones car. Walking with your gear all packed up and organized. So, what is your suggestions? Cheers John
Thanks for asking. Did you figure something out John?
I have seen and used a few different methods. I carry all of my tackle in a 5 gal. bucket with a locking lid. ( Pool chlorine bucket ). Jigs and lures in plastic Plano boxes, gallon ziplock bags for all of my hooks, swivels, sinkers, floats and leader spools.
You can use a cooler with wheels, but the wheels are tiny, don’t roll well or last too long. They make pier and beach carts that are a frame with oversized wheels that roll well on sand, or on pavement or pier decks, both concrete or wood. Third is a ‘little red wagon’ kids wagon. These smaller, narrow wheels don’t do well on sand, but great for concrete, sidewalks and pier decks. Coolers, tackle bucket, bridge net, rods, gaff, etc. go in the built-in rod tubes ( PVC or aluminum) on the pier/beach cart. Same on a wagon, but I do an old kayak fishing trick and zip-tie PVC tubes around the outside perimeter of a milk crate for rod holders, and put my tackle bucket inside the crate. Castnet bucket and cooler fit inside the wagon too.
Question, how often do you pull down to set hook? It seems like a test of pulling up is better. Nice knot tutorial!
carver222 you don’t set these hooks, as the fish swims away the line slides to the corner of the mouth then hook pulls to the lip just like in the cup
Excellent response.
I learn so much from you jc. I thought using a loop knot was the way to tie on for live bait. So i should be snelling hook instead. Will that hinder the action of the live bait. Should i be snelling my short shank j hooks also
Yup your right . thats why im asking
RDLONG30 .... not at all putting dwn his vid I actually preached what he did... but... snelling all types of hooks does improve hookup ratio.. granted it’s not possible in some situations ( flies etc.) but it does present the gap of the hook in a more efficient way....it may look like the angle of the dangle changed jus a little bit but that little bit gives it that little bit edge.. and sometimes that’s all u need 👍🏼
I actually about a year ago started using a knottless snell. Had always used the other knot.. My hookup rate was much better, but I wasn't smart enough to consider that the smell may habe been the reason why
Thanks for commenting. I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying the snell knot hook up was better?
@@RadReelingFishing I'm sorry, yes it seems as though thinking back on it now, that I missed alot less fish with the snell.
@@RalphBarton-fishing Got it! Thanks for clarifying.
Does it matter if your circle has a bent eye vs a straight eye? My eyes are bent on my circle hooks
If you were to place the clinch knotted hook INTO the cup the same way you did the snelled hook, then may I would believe your experiment. (I am a converted snell hooker, just saying...) You place the clinched hook into the cup facing away.....
I agree. The clinch knot hook was always being put in on its side while the Snell was facing the cup
@@kickinwinghotboi883 I reversed the position of the different knots in the video, same results.
I switched the position of the hooks and knots in this video, same thing happened.
I agree, this is dirty, thumb down.
Hi, what would be better ? a snelled tied hook or a loop knot ?
i've started just using a loop knot. It's a lot quicker.
Majority of the time I tie using a loop knot. I would be interested to see that test with loop knot vs snell knot
Thanks for watching. The experiment is so easy to do. Give it a try and please come back and post your results here. Thanks for commenting.
Tied the snell knot today and I hooked up EVERY TIME! Great video, thanks again JC!
I need a double line to my hook, circle or 'j'/octopus.. so I never clinch, uni or snell either one. using a doubled line, you get a LOT more stiffness than a usual line, so I just palomar the circle onto the end of my loop (spider hitch seems the strongest to me). Doubled line keeps the hook MUCH straighter than a single for darn sure.. advantage to the spider, you can make a long one that will act well as a swivel free carolina rig with minimal modification...
Exactly why you should use a loop knot;it allows the line and hook to articulate around the lip
Maybe hold both circle hooks in the same direction.. You keeping the clinch knot hook away from hooking, but keeping snell knot hook tight and towards the cup.. Hmmm
VERY interesting. Never compared the hookup qualities of these knots. I've been snelling my hooks for 50 years, the way my Dad taught me. I do use a loop knot when I need the bait to move more freely. Hooks with a turned up eye make a snell knot a wee bit easier, btw.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I was really under the impression that it didn't make much difference how the hook was tied on. I have now changed my mind and will be snelling my circles hooks for life!
A better, more practical experiment would be to tie the other end of the line to something so the hooks don't move, drop the hooks into the cup, then pull the cup. A circle hook works best when the fish is allowed to hook itself.
I've had no difficulty catching fish on circle hooks tied with clinch knots. I've had no trouble catching fish with a circle hook connected to a crimped leader. I still snell some of my circle hooks, particularly the smaller ones I use for panfish. I use clinch knots or sleeves for larger diameter monofilament because I have had snells loosen. (I don't have this problem with light mono or braid, just heavy monofilament).
You can also demonstrate this with a paper bag. The bag needs to be new and you place sand in the bottom of the bag. You pull the line along a corner and slightly downwards and you will always catch the top of the bag. Even if you turn the hook away from the bag, it will reorient itself and catch the top of the bag.
Whats your trusted line and hook brands for big game offshore?
I use cheap braid and mono leader lines. I use the Gamakatsu hooks, Owner or Mustad
Does this work the same with a loop knot or an octopus hook love to see an experiment
Yep, a loop knot works great for a circle hook.
Great info , but you really don't need that back a nd forth camera angles going on.
Have you tested ringed circle hooks for hook up ratio?
This video is the only test I've done.
How to snell a circle hook using haywire?
awesome....snelling really does improve the hook up ratio a lot on the circles...
Thanks for watching and commenting. I totally agree with you now.
what if we use uni knot on the eye of the hook instead of snell.. will it work same or Snell is better
Thanks for watching. I tied the circle hook on in the video using both of the knots you mentioned. I don't understand the question.
Furqan Khan If the eye is straight try using a uni knot smell and not running line through the eye of the hook at all. This gives a very strong connection and a very straight pull. I use a basic smell for bent eye hooks.
Seems your hand holding the snelled hook is closer to the hook thus stiffening the setup. The other hand is farther away thus creating more play and contributing to the floppy nature of the clinch knot hook. How about you do the opposite for the hand to hook distance between the hook...and also ensure they are both oriented correctly.
I was thinking the same thing. I use a polamer knots most of the time on my circle hooks and have great results
Notice how the line from the clinch goes to the corner of the table away from the cup while the snell goes straight down.
And notice when the snell is placed into the cup the bite is facing the rim, while the clinch has the bite facing the centre of the cup. I have no doubt that the snell is always a better knot for a bare hook than a clinch, but the shown test is still biased.
Is this the same not you need for a octopus hook?
A loop knot is much easier and just as effective.
Qwoooeesszzzz... I love it
Would those methods of snelling work with a 20lb Seagur leader? Excellent video!
Yes, please be sure to practice them though over and over again. The uni knot method is a bit tricky to master. Thanks for watching.
@@RadReelingFishing Thank you! LIKED & SUBSCRIBED!
I’m going to give this a shot....now is this an every situation type knot or do you think it’s for certain situations only?
Thanks for watching. I'm not sure what you mean? If I was using a chicken rig, which I'm pretty sure I saw how to make one on your channel a while ago, no I wouldn't use it in that situation.
Rad Reeling Fishing exactly what I mean, sorry for not being a bit more clear. I wouldn’t use it on a chicken rig either . Using live bait and cut bait seems like this would be the go to knot to tie after seeing your detailed explanation.
Jeff, I snell every circle hook I fish with, regardless of how it is being fished. J hooks I snell 50/50 as you generally have more shank to keep the hook eye and knot away from the fish's mouth and you are setting the hook yourself. If I have time, I snell J hooks and if in a rush, will use a Trilene knot (which I also use on all my swivel connections).
Jim M thank you. Over the last few days I realized this the usefulness and functionality of this knot. Of course it takes a bit of time to tie and its best to have a back up knot like the trilene you mentioned when in a hurry to get a bait back out there.
Jc should i snell a short shank j hook or loop knot. For live bait
Thanks for commenting. Usually tie a Triline Knot or Improved Clinch knot for J hooks.
@@RadReelingFishing thanks jc. Cause ive had a bunch of snook hit and take but no hook up. Tbe other morn 2 hook ups but they spit the hook. Ive been using loop knots maybe this will help
You are welcome. Wow, SNOOK HITS, that's awesome! I hope you land one soon.
I have another 1 for u jc how about non offeset eye circle hook should i snell it or use a different knot
I personally prefer loop on a circle. If it’s an offset eye then I’ll snell but I absolutely never use a clinch knot
Do one comparing circle hooks vs the j hook.
Interesting idea. Thanks.
we call the snell knot a knotless knot in the uk.
It depends on if the circle hook has a downed eye or a straight eye if it has a downed eye it was intended to be snelled. If it has a straight eye you're better off just doing a improved clinch knot. because you won't get the benefits of a snell from a straight eyed hook and there's a lot of physics that goes into why that is. and it mainly has to do with the fact that if you try to snell a straight eyed hook the line will come up crooked instead of straight. and that will negatively impact your hook up ratios because straight eyed hooks aren't designed to be snelled.
That's a stereotype. We can agree to disagree,
@@jamescraig8601 but to give you the benefit of the doubt I'll explain it right here when you snell a straight shank hook you're actually moving it farther away from the direction it has to go to actually hook into the fish. This can be demonstrated by very simple physics if you take a straight shank hook with a loop knot and a straight shank hook with a snell knot and you put them in a bucket. And then draw them up towards the lip of the bucket gradually you'll notice that the straight shank hook with the snell knot has to travel more to rotate and hook up with the lip of the bucket. and in case you don't get it the bucket represents the fish and the hook coming out of the gut of the fish and into the corner of the lip of the fish. And what you'll find is that using a snell knot on a straight shank hook will hook up less than the one with the loop knot or even a clinch knot.
But that hook set depends on the one position of the hook on the fishes mouth doesn’t it
Hi JC, I wonder how the hook up ratio on the Snell knot compares to a loop knot?
Matthew Powney ... if u use a rig with two hooks use one with a snell and the other with a loop knot.... best test 👍🏼
Sold me.
What about circle hooks with a bent back eye
I've actually just started tying a loop knot on my circle hooks, works great.
I do the saom thing works great thanks
I like your experiment but in my real life use of circle hooks bottom fishing from the beach I have not seen any noticeable hookup difference between using a clinch knot or snelling the hook.
I've done some recent testing and discovered a loop knot works just as good as the snell on a circle hook. Thanks for watching.
This demonstration could be very possible to happen when fish bites the hook. I believe you. Thanks for sharing the advantage of snelled knot.
You need to use a up eye hook if you are going to Snell the hook.
I see how you're twisting a line to the non smell not slips every time
Thanks for watching. I wasn't trying to do any trickery here. There would have been no benefit to doing anything deceptive in this video. Thanks for commenting.
Not sure I'd trust knot -1/ second knot maybe.gotta check it out.
Sometimes haste makes waste. Good message lost in haste.
After watching the demonstration with the cup I came to the conclusion that the experiment is a bit lacking. Firstly , a fish never strikes without closing it's mouth. The beauty of the circle hook is that it rolls to the corner of the mouth after the fish picks up the bait closes it's mouth and is swimming away. That's why it is advised not to manually strike but wind to come tight . The closed mouth and swimming away is what does the trick. I'm not an expert here but if I was on the fence and watched this demo, the argument as presented would not have convinced me as I believe both methods would accomplish the same goal equally in real world situations.
Thanks for watching and sharing your views. Here's the thing, the hook caught the edge of the cup 100%. The edge of the cup is hard and about as thick as a fishes mouth that a 7/0 hook would be used for. Why take a chance at using a clinch knot when the snell worked 100% in the experiment?
Ok, lets use a different example. You're comparing rifles....a 5.56 and a 50cal, but the test is set up for shots out to a mile and a half. It would be obvious that the 50 cal would win. But in reality you are using both in an urban environment 90% of the time which would be out to 500m. At this range both would be more than adequate. On top of that the 5.56 may be a better choice because it is lighter, doesn't deafen you and doesn't destroy your shoulder. Between the two tying styles one can also say that the clinch is easier and quicker to tie and less cumbersome to tie with gloves on.... which may be the advantages in a real world situation. @@RadReelingFishing
@@ricardostuart9775 Dude, that's too awesome. I just finished watching Demolition Ranch destroy his truck with a tank, ha ha. Thanks for being a part of this channel. I'll maybe do a comparison sometime when the fish are hitting on every cast and see how that experiment turns out. You are pushing me to greater achievements, thanks!
When you are reeling back in do so slowly ir might help
you need to add a swivel just to be sure its not how you hold it
Thanks, not sure what you are talking about though?
Rad Reeling Fishing ... think slick willy means the lines being held that a twist factor is involved ...
04:18 That's what she said
Too funny, ha ha. I laughed out loud! Thanks for watching.
Little over edited with the back and forth cameras, over and over again. But good video other than that. Would be easier to watch if you didn’t go back and forth so soon. Changing is one thing, but back and forth between the same two shots is kind of hard to watch. Almost feel like I might be epileptic after that. Lol
What other knot,? Say.. loop knot. The hook moves more freely.. good for live bait too. And what about the leader material? Like carp rigs uses braided to get more hook ups..
Some people like to use a loop knot from what I've heard. Thanks for watching .
Are there seriously people out there that have been using circles without snelling them????
Pretty sure there are. Thanks for watching.
@@RadReelingFishing oh man... Then god bless you for making this video JC lol.
I do all the time. No complaints.
OMG. Pick a camera position and stick with it. I'm getting whiplash
Your testing is extremely flawed. With stiff mono like that how you're holding the line can easily affect how often the hook catches. Your line has a set in curve due to memory. I'm sure it's possible to hold the line in such a way that neither knot will catch much. A better test would be to spin the line in your fingers before each pull, so the curve of the line (and thus the hook) is pointing in a random direction. Even then your results would hardly be conclusive, since none of us fish for plastic cups.
It's been a while since I made this video. I actually tie a loop knot now on circle hooks. The results are really good on the hook up ratio.
I truly enjoy and appreciate your knowledge, BUT (IMHO) too much drama acting; just saying.
Not sure what you mean, I'm just having fun.
Nope...Palomar knot
I gonna stop using Circle Hooks..................switching to J hooks with offset...........Circle Hooks Suckssssssssssssssssss
I guess I won’t be fishing for plastic cups!🤨
To be fair if you have a tag end that "small" you are incompetent.
Thanks for commenting. Could you please explain your comment.
What a bunch crap.. You are holding the point of the snelled hook toward the lip of the cup. The advantage of a snelled hook is it the strongest in a pull test.
Thanks for watching and commenting. There was no trickery involved.
Over acting.
What a terrible demo. Every time you drop the clinch knot in your pitcher it's facing away from the lip. If a fish never closed its mouth and its mouth and throat were perfectly smooth, maybe this test would be useful. Also, I think you're tying a uni knot, not a clinch. I'll be sure to snell my hooks when fishing for pitchers... (By the way I do snell circle hooks but I only use upturned eyes) Thanks for posting!
Ha ha...snelling your hooks to catch pitchers, too funny!
Great demo JC! Snelling circle hooks WORKS. The tests were valid and fair in my book.