Ultimate Guide to Child Marriage in Islam (according to top sharia scholars)
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- Perhaps the most controversial issue in Christian-Muslim dialog is the subject of child marriage. Today, it's not hard to find Muslims expressing a wide variety of opinions, ranging from it was never a part of Islam, to it was allowed but only for the past, to it's valid today. This wasn't always the case. For more than 1000 years, scholar after scholar openly talked about the practice of child marriage and prepubescent sex, with virtually no disagreement. MK joins me live to take a "deep dive" into what the Sharia scholars wrote about child marriage in their fiqh manuals. Warning: their depravity might be hard to swallow for the uninitiated.
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0:00 Introduction
1:31 The Basics: Waiting periods
2:36 Quran 65:4 - 3 Categories of women
4:02 Defining "young"
5:20 Logic of the verse
6:06 Tafsirs & scholars on 65:4
8:36 Modern objection - medical condition?
10:13 Modern objection - "nisa" means women?
12:18 Four schools of jurisprudence on child marriage
14:32 Scholarly consensus on child marriage
17:00 Any dispute on the consensus?
19:23 Sharia conditions for sex with prepubescent wife
23:01 What if the father disagrees she is ready?
25:13 Scholarly consensus summarized
25:59 What about today?
27:36 Can't trust men to control themselves
29:03 Permissible sexual activity with "too small" girls
29:51 What about Shia Islam?
31:45 Thaddeus' thoughts - why this matters today
32:26 Modern objection - orphan rule in Quran 4:6
35:30 Summary
#ChildMarriage #IslamicMarriage #Sharia
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That document is literally a goldmine, again thank you so much
Bro, this is an amazing resource. MK is a legend and a soldier. New sub. 🤍
Issac 37 years old Rebacca 3 years old
Marriage this bible child marrige 😂😂😂
@@Hameed-fg2vw If true, prove it using the Bible. (It's not true.)
@@sia9907 proof in Jewish Torah
Issac 37 years old rebbaca 3 years old
Sad fact: after the consumation of marriage between Muhammad and Aisha, Aisha started to lose some hair at the young age of 9, losing hair at a young age is a sign of sexual abuse against little girls.
The losing of her hair happened after the contract was made, but before consummation.
@@Tar-Elenion When she was already being abused.
What are you talking about??? Al lah allowed it , so it is halal.😅😅😅
@@stygrace1530 So say creeps like BobLogic and Safraz.
Serpent deceived Eve to violate God's command not to eat that fruit.
Jibreel deceived people to violate God's command not to bear false command. Jibreel could be the serpent who deceived Eve or another serpent.
Muhammad was the first victims of Jibreel lie, that was why Muhammad had such low character in of human.
Thanks for exposing their horrors.
It is no fun exposing evil, but someone has to do it... Nice profile pic.
😂Maybe dont live in echo chamber. Try to listen what muslims say. Christians will be biased ofc.
Ugh, I'm so glad there are people exposing this disgusting crap, but idk how y'all read through it all... just listening to it makes me want to barf
_"just listening to it makes me want to barf"_ Me too - as evidenced by my visible reaction several times throughout.
This shows you how sick Islam is and this is only a small fragment of what it teaches , thank you for the video.
Islam is not the religion of “peace”. Islam is the religion of PURE EVIL!
Ali Dawah: Aisha was a nine year old adult
The rest of the world: 🤦♂️🤦♂️
He's the same guy who said he would marry off his own daughter as soon as she begins to menstruate
@@user-jf5qw6vg3h And yet, Ali Dawah is STILL better than his prophet and scholars who set no minimum age and no requirement of puberty.
Lord Jesus Christ
If an 18-year-old man comes to you and says he’s getting married, you’d question his decision-making skills. You’d think he’s getting married too early. Similarly, if an 18-year-old woman tells you that she’s getting married, you’d ask her to do a “reality check” and may be even discourage her by telling her she’s too young, and she should go to college or build a career.
Even though 18 is the legal age most countries, does anyone today really believe that an 18-year-old is ready for marriage?
Does "one size fits all" really work for determining a minimum age? Should the fact that girls mature earlier than boys be taken into account? Or, should we just ignore biology and make it the same for both girls and boys in the name of “equality”?
The minimum age for marriage has been increasing worldwide. In all pre-modern traditional cultures, it wasn’t unusual for girls to consummate marriages between the ages of 10 and 12 and that was considered normal back then, but not today. No one found it surprising to marry a 10- to 12-year-old girl. In fact, if you read your great-grandmother’s biography, you’d be shocked and surprised to see how young she was when she got married! But that was the norm.
In modern societies, girls are highly discouraged from getting married early, even at 18. Early marriage is considered bad. They’re told that education and careers are far more important and beneficial for a young woman than marriage and having children. Movies and TV shows constantly show career women as happy, smart, and successful, and house wives and homemakers as miserable and losers.
In pre-modern cultures, girls would look forward to getting married and start a family. They did not see it as we see it today. They saw marriage as a benefit--social and financial benefit. They did not see it as a burden, like we do today. That was the norm for them. And this was true in all religions-Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc. It was also true in also all countries, cultures, and regions of the world. No one thought it was weird. Late marriage was actually looked down upon.
Today, however, things are opposite. We find it weird. We don’t like early marriage. We’ve been indoctrinated in schools. We are told that it's always better for a woman to have a career and work than to have children and raise them. Women are taught to delay marriage for career.
And how has all this impacted woman? Are they happier now than ever before because they're so "empowered"? Just look at the statistics. Happiness is consistently going down. And men and children are also negatively impacted. The result is that most Western nations, which are champions of women's rights and empowerment, are in decline-population is imploding. Europeans are simply not having enough babies. Birth rate has fallen dangerously low to beyond replacement levels. Europe has no future. They need humans. They need immigrants to power the economy and pay taxes. But immigrants are hated in Europe. Marriage is ruined.
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Big business and politicians do not like early marriage because it’s bad for the economy. Women entering the workforce helps increase the supply of labor which in turns lowers wages. Businesses and corporations benefit when there are more women in the workforce. Women who work consume more and spend more. So, it’s good for business to have working women. The governments and corporations want to influence women for their own benefit. They don't want the fathers and husbands making decisions. That's why patriarchy is demonized. Women are told to not be slaves to their husbands and fathers so they can be more “empowerment”. But they only end up becoming slaves of corporations. Women are told that men will dump them and leave them poor. Thus, they should not trust them. Instead, they should trust the Big Biz and Big Gov! The Big Biz and Big Gov will take care of them better than their husbands and fathers! There's nonstop propaganda and indoctrination via education and mass media. We constantly hear of stories of abused women. This scares and terrifies women into distrusting men. It forces them into delaying marriage and pursuing careers to protect their financial future. The fear is real. Fear is the greatest motivator.
We’re told that it’s perfectly normal for a woman to have both a career and raise children at the same time. While this may work for some (a minority), it does not work for all women. It harms them and the society. Many women get burnt out trying to juggle jobs and raising kids. It's too much.
We expect women to work like they have no kids, and have kids like they don't work. We have put unrealistic demands on women. Stress, depression, and disintegration of the family. The statistics are there. It is unfair to women. Women have been tricked into believing that having a career and family are the norm.
Modernity and liberalism have changed everything. Today we find early marriage shocking, but the pre-modern people lived in a very different time period. They didn’t go to schools or colleges. They didn’t pursue careers as there weren’t any to begin with! Rich women invested their money into businesses buy hiring men. They weren’t exactly your CEOs or “boss babes”. Women are celebrated and praised for being CEOs, but never for being mothers or wives.
In pre-modern societies, girls did not care much about careers because there weren’t any to begin with! There was no vocational or job training for any jobs because girls didn’t get jobs.
The million-dollar question is this: For such a girl (living in pre-modern world), why won’t she get married, enjoy sex with her husband, and have children who love her?! Why on earth would a pre-modern girl refuse to get married early? She had much to gain, and little to lose. Her husband was her boss. Why not sleep with your husband-boss and be happier? Why wouldn't a pre-modern woman raise her financial and social status by marrying? Hypergamy was a thing in the past. And hypergamy is still a thing! Women don't marry lower status men. Marriage is still, yes, it’s hard for our liberal minds to accept it, the best option for women.
Early marriage was not only the norm, but also the most sensible and financially beneficial thing to do. That was then. Still, we have many poor villages in India and Africa where this works. As long as there’s no harm, let them do it.
Liberalism has brainwashed us into rejecting early marriage. Girls are denied the freedom to marry early. Yet, girls are told they can sleep with anyone they want, have sex with anyone, “discover”, and even change their gender any time without parental consent! Liberalism is stupid, dangerous, and destructive. It’s ruining lives, families, communities, and societies. Why is the population in almost all secular liberal states in decline Most Western nations are in decline-population is imploding. Europe has no future-thanks to liberalism! Most Europeans do not want to have children. They prefer to raise dogs and cats. In America, there are more pet dogs and cats than children!
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@@micdeymearstienbeiger37let’s not marry children, it’s really that simple.
So wicked 😥✝️
You're already answering my questions. Thanks.
It is a true sensation for those who "live" in Soddom and Gomorrah and whoever comes to contradict such system of life is cursed by those indwellers.
Videos like this are difficult to like. I mean I like that the knowledge get's out there, but putting a like below something so disgusting is morally in the grey zone.
To press like your are helping in putting a stop to this depravity.
Nah for real, it’s so disgusting and immoral I can’t even like without feeling guilty even tho me liking the vid has nothing to do with me supporting the actual practice 😭
Good Lord, 🗣you like it because the gospel truth is being put out there! Here in today society by top people! The world needs to understand this so-called holy book that Muslims get teaching from.🤌🏻🤦🏼♂️
I understand why some good people will not repost this, but silence is not an option. Crimes against Children to God are not forgivable and one way ticket to hell. And if you don't believe in God then doing the right thing and protecting theses children is just the right thing to do.I just reposted and so should everyone.
Thanks for sharing!
Peace of Christ to all! 🙏🙏🙏
For the link to the document, much thanks.
The horror!! 🤢🤮😡
Thank you for this video, very ironic how i got an ad for islam on this vid
One could say, YT knows the target audience for Islamic ads (people interested in child marriage).
This is hard to watch.
Indeed, it was unpleasant to record as well.
May Allah grant you peace for debunking the false narrative of our Dawah gangs
Not only false narratives but they are full of lies and deception.
Serpent deceived Eve to violate God's command not to eat that fruit.
Jibreel deceived people to violate God's command not to bear false command. Jibreel could be the serpent who deceived Eve or another serpent.
@@jodi3784The supposedly "angel" Jibreel on which Mohammed appeared in the cave corresponds to the same entity that appeared to Jesus in the desert. 600 years later, after he failed his temptations, he fully achieved his goals and promises in a cave in Arabia, creating a Antichrist cult.
@@jodi3784 Jibril's behavior is totally different from the Gabriel we know from the Bible. No way is the same angel.
allah is the devil
Disturbing - and a needed video to get out there!
Bro this cult is dan😮gerous
Ibn Kathir on S 65:4
The `Iddah of Those in Menopause and Those Who do not have Menses
Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. see 2:228 The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause.
Minor marriage was a thing. It's totally permitted in the Bible. Jesus never spoke against minor marriage. It was prevalent in his time. The Bible does not specify a minimum age for marriage. Modern Christians are confused about the minimum age for marriage.
@@micdeymearstienbeiger37What paedophile told you that child 'marriage' was a thing among the Arabs? Do you need the Bible to explicitly say: You shall not futter a child?
@@micdeymearstienbeiger37child marriages in the Bible are never ever condoned. Bc it is not mentioned dont mean the Bible is okay with it
@@micdeymearstienbeiger37because we use moral, logic and don’t follow blindly some quotes. Jesus teach us deep principle not reading all day if I sleep on left or right side in the bed (it’s really a Hadith I think)
@@micdeymearstienbeiger37 its called obedience from the heart unlike muslim legalism
The Beauty of islaaam! The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is Not the god of islaaam!
Spot on 👍 the god of Abraham Isaac & Jacob was not Sayton..
This makes me feel sick.
And there are billions of muslims who admire and respect the works of the devil.
Great work
To those defending Islam teachings,
If you see yourself allowing your future daughter to be married off to an older dude, under the grounds discussed in the video, rethink.
Aisha was 9 when mohd cosummated her...but she has puberty at the age of 16....everything can be done in islam
Islam = 👹
Christianity = 😇🕊️
Most of the bad stuff Christians have done came after our mostly illiterate masses were swayed by Church corruption and militant (regular) Islam.
Quick summary of the different schools' takes on religious CSA:
Regarding a wife copulated with before her completing nine years, the Hanafis observe: 'Iddah is wajib on her even if she is a child. The Maliki and the Shafi’i schools state: 'Iddah is not wajib on a minor incapable of intercourse, but wajib on one who is capable even if she is under nine. The Imami and the Hanbali schools do not consider 'iddah wajib on a minor under nine years even if she has the capacity for intercourse. (al-Fiqh 'ala al-madhahib al-'arba’ah, vol. 4, discussion on the 'iddah of a menopausal divorcee).
(The Five Schools of Islamic Law
Muhammad Jawad Mughniyya)
This is crazy
4:26
6:14
14:32
29:30
29:56
Indonesia has syekh Puji. Married the 12 yrs old Ulfa
Jesus is Lord and I pray God helps Christians to stand and lovingly honor God by protecting girls through this knowledge. I pray they listen
This video made me physically sick 😫
If an 18-year-old man comes to you and says he’s getting married, you’d question his decision-making skills. You’d think he’s getting married too early. Similarly, if an 18-year-old woman tells you that she’s getting married, you’d ask her to do a “reality check” and may be even discourage her by telling her she’s too young, and she should go to college or build a career.
Even though 18 is the legal age most countries, does anyone today really believe that an 18-year-old is ready for marriage?
Does "one size fits all" really work for determining a minimum age? Should the fact that girls mature earlier than boys be taken into account? Or, should we just ignore biology and make it the same for both girls and boys in the name of “equality”?
The minimum age for marriage has been increasing worldwide. In all pre-modern traditional cultures, it wasn’t unusual for girls to consummate marriages between the ages of 10 and 12 and that was considered normal back then, but not today. No one found it surprising to marry a 10- to 12-year-old girl. In fact, if you read your great-grandmother’s biography, you’d be shocked and surprised to see how young she was when she got married! But that was the norm.
In modern societies, girls are highly discouraged from getting married early, even at 18. Early marriage is considered bad. They’re told that education and careers are far more important and beneficial for a young woman than marriage and having children. Movies and TV shows constantly show career women as happy, smart, and successful, and house wives and homemakers as miserable and losers.
In pre-modern cultures, girls would look forward to getting married and start a family. They did not see it as we see it today. They saw marriage as a benefit--social and financial benefit. They did not see it as a burden, like we do today. That was the norm for them. And this was true in all religions-Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc. It was also true in also all countries, cultures, and regions of the world. No one thought it was weird. Late marriage was actually looked down upon.
Today, however, things are opposite. We find it weird. We don’t like early marriage. We’ve been indoctrinated in schools. We are told that it's always better for a woman to have a career and work than to have children and raise them. Women are taught to delay marriage for career.
And how has all this impacted woman? Are they happier now than ever before because they're so "empowered"? Just look at the statistics. Happiness is consistently going down. And men and children are also negatively impacted. The result is that most Western nations, which are champions of women's rights and empowerment, are in decline-population is imploding. Europeans are simply not having enough babies. Birth rate has fallen dangerously low to beyond replacement levels. Europe has no future. They need humans. They need immigrants to power the economy and pay taxes. But immigrants are hated in Europe. Marriage is ruined.
Easy Shareable link to this content: tinyurl.com/EarlyMarriageTruth
Big business and politicians do not like early marriage because it’s bad for the economy. Women entering the workforce helps increase the supply of labor which in turns lowers wages. Businesses and corporations benefit when there are more women in the workforce. Women who work consume more and spend more. So, it’s good for business to have working women. The governments and corporations want to influence women for their own benefit. They don't want the fathers and husbands making decisions. That's why patriarchy is demonized. Women are told to not be slaves to their husbands and fathers so they can be more “empowerment”. But they only end up becoming slaves of corporations. Women are told that men will dump them and leave them poor. Thus, they should not trust them. Instead, they should trust the Big Biz and Big Gov! The Big Biz and Big Gov will take care of them better than their husbands and fathers! There's nonstop propaganda and indoctrination via education and mass media. We constantly hear of stories of abused women. This scares and terrifies women into distrusting men. It forces them into delaying marriage and pursuing careers to protect their financial future. The fear is real. Fear is the greatest motivator.
We’re told that it’s perfectly normal for a woman to have both a career and raise children at the same time. While this may work for some (a minority), it does not work for all women. It harms them and the society. Many women get burnt out trying to juggle jobs and raising kids. It's too much.
We expect women to work like they have no kids, and have kids like they don't work. We have put unrealistic demands on women. Stress, depression, and disintegration of the family. The statistics are there. It is unfair to women. Women have been tricked into believing that having a career and family are the norm.
Modernity and liberalism have changed everything. Today we find early marriage shocking, but the pre-modern people lived in a very different time period. They didn’t go to schools or colleges. They didn’t pursue careers as there weren’t any to begin with! Rich women invested their money into businesses buy hiring men. They weren’t exactly your CEOs or “boss babes”. Women are celebrated and praised for being CEOs, but never for being mothers or wives.
In pre-modern societies, girls did not care much about careers because there weren’t any to begin with! There was no vocational or job training for any jobs because girls didn’t get jobs.
The million-dollar question is this: For such a girl (living in pre-modern world), why won’t she get married, enjoy sex with her husband, and have children who love her?! Why on earth would a pre-modern girl refuse to get married early? She had much to gain, and little to lose. Her husband was her boss. Why not sleep with your husband-boss and be happier? Why wouldn't a pre-modern woman raise her financial and social status by marrying? Hypergamy was a thing in the past. And hypergamy is still a thing! Women don't marry lower status men. Marriage is still, yes, it’s hard for our liberal minds to accept it, the best option for women.
Early marriage was not only the norm, but also the most sensible and financially beneficial thing to do. That was then. Still, we have many poor villages in India and Africa where this works. As long as there’s no harm, let them do it.
Liberalism has brainwashed us into rejecting early marriage. Girls are denied the freedom to marry early. Yet, girls are told they can sleep with anyone they want, have sex with anyone, “discover”, and even change their gender any time without parental consent! Liberalism is stupid, dangerous, and destructive. It’s ruining lives, families, communities, and societies. Why is the population in almost all secular liberal states in decline Most Western nations are in decline-population is imploding. Europe has no future-thanks to liberalism! Most Europeans do not want to have children. They prefer to raise dogs and cats. In America, there are more pet dogs and cats than children!
Easy Shareable link to this content: tinyurl.com/EarlyMarriageTruth
@@micdeymearstienbeiger37 sorry, that still doesn’t defend sexually penetrating a little girl. nice try though
Excellent yet horrible journey through this topic, great work both of you.
@Reasoned Answers brother Thaddeus, have you decided about a time with David Wood?
I'll try to reply to your email today.
@@ReasonedAnswers thanks. 🙏🙏🙏
Hi Thaddeus and any other person with knowledge.
I made a claim in a conversation, that the sharia law allows the rape of women not wearing a hijab. I know some Pakistani men feel justified for doing so, but is this something that is tolerated, as long as you don't talk about it or is this actually allowed. With actually allowed I include statements like: "Women wear a hijab to show that they are a free woman who shall not be raped." or "Slaves women are not allowed to wear a hijab, to show that they can be touched by anyone."
Islam (sharia) doesn't have a concept of rape to begin with, only legal sex and illegal sex, so you certainly won't find such a statement. Since the woman in such a scenario is unmarried, it would fall under illegal sex, HOWEVER the party mainly at fault would be the woman since she "seduced" men by not covering.
@@ReasonedAnswers Do you know anything I can quote?
@@philippbrogli779
You are making a lie and are asking an ignorant Christian for evidence, this is what christianity teaches?
@@legendgamerxz1833 I made an overconfident statement and wanted to ask someone who spends more time in the sources to give me a reference.
If you are curious, I did tell the guy who I made the overconfident statement to, that it was an overconfident statement.
If I wanted to have advice on how to lie I wouldn't ask for a quote which people could look up. I would say some vague statement which can't be traced back.
@@philippbrogli779
So ask a biased Christian missionary right? Hmm good idea he already lied about there being no sharia implications of rape above and you proceed in asking this pathetic lier.
Please if you are sincere ask a Muslim student of knowledge.
And tell me one lie sheik uthman made, and I’m genuinely asking so please provide me with just 1 lie.
Muslims what else is needed? Even if your own Muslim sources won't do it for you.
Leave the Crescent Cult and put your trust in Jesus Christ.
Put your trust in Jesus Christ and join the cross cult.
Aisha was nine Mohammad was fine.
Oh my God, Muhammad did a very merciful thing by waiting three years for his six-year-old wife, Aisha, to consummate their marriage
At the time of Muhammed both the Jews and Arabs practiced arranged marriages of minors with "Option of Puberty" where a girl could rescind a marriage when she became an adult.
So it is evident that minors are not exclude from nisa.
@paxChristi123 Well, the Vikings and Aztecs practiced human sacrificing and in the Middle East the married kids. What can I say. They all had interesting aspects as well and were not only bad, but yeah. They did some bad things in the past.
And then the "god" of Islam encoded child marriage in his law for all people, demonstrating he was pretty clueless about actual morality. (Incidentally, there are no "options of puberty" in the teaching of Islam.)
@paxChristi123how could he, when he had control of the best of deceivers in his right hand.
Great wedding photos - the bride with a bag over her head.
Could you aswell do a video on wife beating? I believe there's quite alot that can be covered.
yes a video on wife beating in the bible would be awesome! that would probably be about 4 hours long too much to go over
All this "spin" to try to "explain" a clear book...
Right. And it all boils down to what Muhammad did. They can't go against that or else.
From, Muhammad and the treatment of wives
The Quran sanctions polygyny under the condition that a person treats all of his wives fairly:
O people! be careful of (your duty to) your Lord, Who created you from a single being and created its mate of the same (kind) and spread from these two, many men and women; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah, by Whom you demand one of another (your rights), and (to) the ties of relationship; surely Allah ever watches over you. And give to the orphans their property, and do not substitute worthless (things) for (their) good (ones), and do not devour their property (as an addition) to your own property; this is surely a great crime. And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two AND three AND four (mathna WA thulatha WA rubaAAa); but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course. And give women their dowries as a free gift, but if they of themselves be pleased to give up to you a portion of it, then eat it with enjoyment and with wholesome result. S. 4:1-4 Shakir
This passage is a bit perplexing and rather incoherent. After mentioning the property of orphans and the fear of not being able to treat them fairly the text then goes on to mention marrying up to four wives. Is this a general injunction meaning that a person can marry any lawful woman? Or is it saying that a man can only marry up to four women from among the orphans? After all, Aisha herself said that this reference was initially given to address marriages with orphans:
Narrated Aisha:
There was an orphan (girl) under the care of a man. He married her and she owned a date palm (garden). He married her just because of that and not because he loved her. So the Divine Verse came regarding his case: "If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls…" (4.3) The sub-narrator added: I think he (i.e. another sub-narrator) said, "That orphan girl was his partner in that date palm (garden) and in his property." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 97)
Narrated ‘Urwa bin Az-Zubair:
That he asked ‘Aisha regarding the Statement of Allah:
"If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls…" (4.3) She said, "O son of my sister! An orphan girl used to be under the care of a guardian with whom she shared property. Her guardian, being attracted by her wealth and beauty, would intend to marry her without giving her a just Mahr, i.e. the same Mahr as any other person might give her (in case he married her). So such guardians were forbidden to do that unless they did justice to their female wards and gave them the highest Mahr their peers might get. They were ordered (by Allah) to marry women of their choice other than those orphan girls." ‘Aisha added, "The people asked Allah’s Apostle his instructions after the revelation of this Divine Verse whereupon Allah revealed:
‘They ask your instruction regarding women.’ (4.127)" ‘Aisha further said, "And the Statement of Allah: ‘And yet whom you desire to marry.’ (4.127) As anyone of you refrains from marrying an orphan girl (under his guardianship) when she is lacking in property and beauty." ‘Aisha added, "So they were forbidden to marry those orphan girls for whose wealth and beauty they had a desire unless with justice, and that was because they would refrain from marrying them if they were lacking in property and beauty." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 98)
Basically, the way Sura 4:3 is formulated there are three ways of understanding it: If you fear not to be able to treat the orphan girls fairly (in what regard?) then marry (a) two, three or four of THEM (the orphan girls), (b) two, three or four OTHER women (i.e. NOT those orphan girls), or (c) two, three or four of ANY women. However, if the latter option was meant, one wonders what does this have to do with orphan girls. After all, the statement is an "if ... then ..." construction, and one would expect that there is an obvious relationship between the two. This relationship is clearly missing, unless one wants to claim that only those who are in danger to treat orphans unjustly are allowed to become polygamous, while all others have to remain monogamous. Even more: Why does this verse not even give the option of marrying only one woman, why does it start with the number TWO? Does that mean that all Muslims should marry at least two women, or only those who fear that they can’t deal justly with the orphans in their care have to marry at least two women? This injunction is very incoherent and raises more questions than it answers.
If an 18-year-old man comes to you and says he’s getting married, you’d question his decision-making skills. You’d think he’s getting married too early. Similarly, if an 18-year-old woman tells you that she’s getting married, you’d ask her to do a “reality check” and may be even discourage her by telling her she’s too young, and she should go to college or build a career.
Even though 18 is the legal age most countries, does anyone today really believe that an 18-year-old is ready for marriage?
Does "one size fits all" really work for determining a minimum age? Should the fact that girls mature earlier than boys be taken into account? Or, should we just ignore biology and make it the same for both girls and boys in the name of “equality”?
The minimum age for marriage has been increasing worldwide. In all pre-modern traditional cultures, it wasn’t unusual for girls to consummate marriages between the ages of 10 and 12 and that was considered normal back then, but not today. No one found it surprising to marry a 10- to 12-year-old girl. In fact, if you read your great-grandmother’s biography, you’d be shocked and surprised to see how young she was when she got married! But that was the norm.
In modern societies, girls are highly discouraged from getting married early, even at 18. Early marriage is considered bad. They’re told that education and careers are far more important and beneficial for a young woman than marriage and having children. Movies and TV shows constantly show career women as happy, smart, and successful, and house wives and homemakers as miserable and losers.
In pre-modern cultures, girls would look forward to getting married and start a family. They did not see it as we see it today. They saw marriage as a benefit--social and financial benefit. They did not see it as a burden, like we do today. That was the norm for them. And this was true in all religions-Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc. It was also true in also all countries, cultures, and regions of the world. No one thought it was weird. Late marriage was actually looked down upon.
Today, however, things are opposite. We find it weird. We don’t like early marriage. We’ve been indoctrinated in schools. We are told that it's always better for a woman to have a career and work than to have children and raise them. Women are taught to delay marriage for career.
And how has all this impacted woman? Are they happier now than ever before because they're so "empowered"? Just look at the statistics. Happiness is consistently going down. And men and children are also negatively impacted. The result is that most Western nations, which are champions of women's rights and empowerment, are in decline-population is imploding. Europeans are simply not having enough babies. Birth rate has fallen dangerously low to beyond replacement levels. Europe has no future. They need humans. They need immigrants to power the economy and pay taxes. But immigrants are hated in Europe. Marriage is ruined.
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Big business and politicians do not like early marriage because it’s bad for the economy. Women entering the workforce helps increase the supply of labor which in turns lowers wages. Businesses and corporations benefit when there are more women in the workforce. Women who work consume more and spend more. So, it’s good for business to have working women. The governments and corporations want to influence women for their own benefit. They don't want the fathers and husbands making decisions. That's why patriarchy is demonized. Women are told to not be slaves to their husbands and fathers so they can be more “empowerment”. But they only end up becoming slaves of corporations. Women are told that men will dump them and leave them poor. Thus, they should not trust them. Instead, they should trust the Big Biz and Big Gov! The Big Biz and Big Gov will take care of them better than their husbands and fathers! There's nonstop propaganda and indoctrination via education and mass media. We constantly hear of stories of abused women. This scares and terrifies women into distrusting men. It forces them into delaying marriage and pursuing careers to protect their financial future. The fear is real. Fear is the greatest motivator.
We’re told that it’s perfectly normal for a woman to have both a career and raise children at the same time. While this may work for some (a minority), it does not work for all women. It harms them and the society. Many women get burnt out trying to juggle jobs and raising kids. It's too much.
We expect women to work like they have no kids, and have kids like they don't work. We have put unrealistic demands on women. Stress, depression, and disintegration of the family. The statistics are there. It is unfair to women. Women have been tricked into believing that having a career and family are the norm.
Modernity and liberalism have changed everything. Today we find early marriage shocking, but the pre-modern people lived in a very different time period. They didn’t go to schools or colleges. They didn’t pursue careers as there weren’t any to begin with! Rich women invested their money into businesses buy hiring men. They weren’t exactly your CEOs or “boss babes”. Women are celebrated and praised for being CEOs, but never for being mothers or wives.
In pre-modern societies, girls did not care much about careers because there weren’t any to begin with! There was no vocational or job training for any jobs because girls didn’t get jobs.
The million-dollar question is this: For such a girl (living in pre-modern world), why won’t she get married, enjoy sex with her husband, and have children who love her?! Why on earth would a pre-modern girl refuse to get married early? She had much to gain, and little to lose. Her husband was her boss. Why not sleep with your husband-boss and be happier? Why wouldn't a pre-modern woman raise her financial and social status by marrying? Hypergamy was a thing in the past. And hypergamy is still a thing! Women don't marry lower status men. Marriage is still, yes, it’s hard for our liberal minds to accept it, the best option for women.
Early marriage was not only the norm, but also the most sensible and financially beneficial thing to do. That was then. Still, we have many poor villages in India and Africa where this works. As long as there’s no harm, let them do it.
Liberalism has brainwashed us into rejecting early marriage. Girls are denied the freedom to marry early. Yet, girls are told they can sleep with anyone they want, have sex with anyone, “discover”, and even change their gender any time without parental consent! Liberalism is stupid, dangerous, and destructive. It’s ruining lives, families, communities, and societies. Why is the population in almost all secular liberal states in decline Most Western nations are in decline-population is imploding. Europe has no future-thanks to liberalism! Most Europeans do not want to have children. They prefer to raise dogs and cats. In America, there are more pet dogs and cats than children!
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@@richthessolonian1842 In short, you're saying that paedophilia is a good thing?
Jesus is the word of god! End of story.
The best thing about this video, in my opinion, is that it clearly demonstrates the incapability, unwillingness, disinclination, and outright reluctance of Christians to make arguments against Islam that aren't based on their emotions.
The best thing about your comment is that it clearly demonstrates your incapability, unwillingness, disinclination, and outright reluctance to watch the video. If you actually had, you would realize there is nothing "emotional" about it. BUT, while you are here, how about you give me one solid, rational reason to believe Islam is true. I have been asking Muslims that question for YEARS and have yet to find a Muslims with ANY reason that holds up to the SLIGHTEST bit of scrutiny.
@@ReasonedAnswersYour entire argument was that it 'felt bad' therefore it is. That is not how you judge the morality of something. Your preconceived notions have nothing to do with truth. If your video was meant to somehow attack Islam, then you have failed miserably, but if it is meant to refute westernised Muslims, as you have called them, then this is well-researched.
As a Christian, tell me, how is child marriage in any way opposed by the Bible?
If you can't answer that, then maybe I should talk to you like you're a Liberal Atheist.
@@mohammedyasser1310you know being against child marriage and child rape doesn't make you a liberal nor an atheist, it makes you a normal moral human
@@dimitris_zaha Except he's a Christian, who relies on the Bible for morality, and the Bible isn't in any way against child marriage.
And no, you can't say that being against X is just being a 'normal moral human' without establishing where you get this moral standard from.
@@mohammedyasser1310 christians don't rely on the Bible for morality that's false. Christians rely on God, the Bible gives some rules to follow and some to avoid but that doesn't mean that everything that the Bible mentions is allowed. God has given morals to everyone and we know in our heart that hurting others for example is wrong without needing to justify why. Child marriage/rape is being known to cause major harm to children and we know that we shouldn't hurt others especially children
Serpent deceived Eve to violate God's command not to eat that fruit.
Jibreel deceived people to violate God's command not to bear false command. Jibreel could be the serpent who deceived Eve or another serpent.
Muhammad was the first victims of Jibreel lie, that was why Muhammad had such low character in of human.
A pdf maniaks 😢
Bitte mit deutschen Untertiteln.
Someone should get Q-Top to convert to Islam 😂😂😂
Come on, people! We are in the 21st century. Why are we still taking seriously this perverted stuff coming from the 7th century?
CP religion
Bring muslims like muslim lantern next time. 🤫
So look at your biblical perspective on the father being the one who decides for the daughter.
Nice attempt to distract, but it won't work. Do you agree or disagree with "Allah's" teaching that a child can be married off at any age and the "husband" can have sex with her as soon as her body is physically big enough to bear his weight?
Issac 37 years old rebbaca 3 years old
This is bible child marriage 😂😂😂😂
One Rashi said I sac waited three years because some say she was married at 17 some say at 20 so yeah the jewish sources you think agree with you don't also thos channel has a video debunking your claim
@Musathekafios So she was 6?
Except.... That in the Bible Isaac saw her, fell in love with her and had to work for her father for 7 years TWICE. So at the youngest Rebecca would have been 14, but she seems to be a lot older than that.
Don't believe your Imam.
Although there are some fatwas about thighing, it is not within the bandwidth of discourse for most in Islam. Your Shafi quote, about even a trustworthy man not necessarily being trustworthy, also contradicts that very young girls were handed over prior to consummation at scale.
I have also never come across credible evidence that Muhammed was granted access to Aisha for thighing prior to consummation.
So I regard mentioning thighing as sensationalism and trying to spread hate with highly emotive subjects rather than a legitimate concern about what Islam teaches or what Islamism or Islam promotes or teaches.
The islamport and kuwaiti encyclpedia of jursiprudence resorted to for that part is not mainstream.
Aside from that most points are valid and address valid concerns about child-marriage..
Fatwas are actual legal rulings being applied in ordinary life in their countries, and it is based on Islamic principles, so it is relevant. Thighing is pretty mainstream particularly in Shia Islam , so it was good they mentioned it in vid
@@johnfreeman8488 Fatwas are non-binding legal opinions. With fatwas the provinence is important, the reliability of the source and the status of the source..The Shamela and portislam sources are not authoritative enough in my opinion to support statements like "Islam allows thighing".
If you can find fatwas on the dar-al-ifta al-misriyyah site that would be more convincing. Bin-baz and al-fawzan's sites have high regard. There is plenty there. AL-Fawzan, for example, uses Bukhari's use of Q56:4 to argue that Aisha was prepubescent at consummation, Bib-baz has a fatwa that outlines who determine when a girl is ready for intercourse.
I do reject Islam, but I have not seen convincing evidence that thighing is more than marginal.
Of course i don't believe such a lie. Girls than mature earlier. But they lie to cover the shame.🙏❤️🇦🇱
False. Girls in the past matured considerably slower than youngsters do now. Scientists believe trend toward younger physical growth may be tied to environmental conditions. Quicker physical growth doesn’t mean children mature intellectually nor emotionally any faster now than they did then. Children deserve and need a childhood and forced child marriage is dangerous & unhealthy on every level.
@@annemurphy9339 True. I agree 💯
@@annemurphy9339I read the paper available on the subject. The difference was a few months. Not years
@@ProfYaffle You’ve missed my point: the point is that, contrary to islamic claims, children did not mature faster in the past.
Yooo im albanian as well, u christian?
My Muslim friend said that 1400 years ago Girls mature earlier in Arabia 😳😳😳
Yep, a common line. ZERO evidence for that, of course, but it at least shows the Muslim is better than their god and prophet who had no requirement of "maturity."
Then why did Aisha play with toys in the presence of Muhammad?
@SKANDERBEG123
If so, Muhammed’s example of marrying a six year old and having intercourse with a nine year old is NOT a good example to follow for muslims today and that would have put Muhammed in a perfect position to end child marriage once and for all as the so called last messenger something he didn’t do!
@@user-jf5qw6vg3h of course it's a lie. But Muslims are embarrassed of it 😂😂😂
If Allah knew that girls in the future would mature later, then why didn't he make sure to reveal something which reflected that reality.
In talmud before 3 years old is like nothing according to them. Why nobody analyses also talmud. I, personally, am against both without being hypocrit. Pe do guidebooks in both religions.
Muslims still do it.
@@sia9907 that's what I wrote.
Whataboutism isn't helpful. One doesn't need to talk about everything possibly somewhat related in order to be able to talk about one thing. That said, the Talmud is a complex text containing all kinds of opinions, often intentionally contradictory (i.e. as an argument between opposite sides) from various different Rabbis. There is no "Talmudic view."
The lettering ( font size, ) are too small and I can't make any use of your video out of it
I am quitting your video
You have a wasted video here sorry to say rhat.
Everything on screen is spoken and the document is available for download - see video description.
Are uwatching 144p on an old Nokia?, this comment makes no sense😂
Iam using samsung latest version
Your answer disappoint me
@@ggunasekaran-em4qs My answer is that you aren't missing anything by listening. Why would that disappoint you?
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If an 18-year-old man comes to you and says he’s getting married, you’d question his decision-making skills. You’d think he’s getting married too early. Similarly, if an 18-year-old woman tells you that she’s getting married, you’d ask her to do a “reality check” and may be even discourage her by telling her she’s too young, and she should go to college or build a career.
Even though 18 is the legal age most countries, does anyone today really believe that an 18-year-old is ready for marriage?
Does "one size fits all" really work for determining a minimum age? Should the fact that girls mature earlier than boys be taken into account? Or, should we just ignore biology and make it the same for both girls and boys in the name of “equality”?
The minimum age for marriage has been increasing worldwide. In all pre-modern traditional cultures, it wasn’t unusual for girls to consummate marriages between the ages of 10 and 12 and that was considered normal back then, but not today. No one found it surprising to marry a 10- to 12-year-old girl. In fact, if you read your great-grandmother’s biography, you’d be shocked and surprised to see how young she was when she got married! But that was the norm.
In modern societies, girls are highly discouraged from getting married early, even at 18. Early marriage is considered bad. They’re told that education and careers are far more important and beneficial for a young woman than marriage and having children. Movies and TV shows constantly show career women as happy, smart, and successful, and house wives and homemakers as miserable and losers.
In pre-modern cultures, girls would look forward to getting married and start a family. They did not see it as we see it today. They saw marriage as a benefit--social and financial benefit. They did not see it as a burden, like we do today. That was the norm for them. And this was true in all religions-Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, etc. It was also true in also all countries, cultures, and regions of the world. No one thought it was weird. Late marriage was actually looked down upon.
Today, however, things are opposite. We find it weird. We don’t like early marriage. We’ve been indoctrinated in schools. We are told that it's always better for a woman to have a career and work than to have children and raise them. Women are taught to delay marriage for career.
And how has all this impacted woman? Are they happier now than ever before because they're so "empowered"? Just look at the statistics. Happiness is consistently going down. And men and children are also negatively impacted. The result is that most Western nations, which are champions of women's rights and empowerment, are in decline-population is imploding. Europeans are simply not having enough babies. Birth rate has fallen dangerously low to beyond replacement levels. Europe has no future. They need humans. They need immigrants to power the economy and pay taxes. But immigrants are hated in Europe. Marriage is ruined.
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Big business and politicians do not like early marriage because it’s bad for the economy. Women entering the workforce helps increase the supply of labor which in turns lowers wages. Businesses and corporations benefit when there are more women in the workforce. Women who work consume more and spend more. So, it’s good for business to have working women. The governments and corporations want to influence women for their own benefit. They don't want the fathers and husbands making decisions. That's why patriarchy is demonized. Women are told to not be slaves to their husbands and fathers so they can be more “empowerment”. But they only end up becoming slaves of corporations. Women are told that men will dump them and leave them poor. Thus, they should not trust them. Instead, they should trust the Big Biz and Big Gov! The Big Biz and Big Gov will take care of them better than their husbands and fathers! There's nonstop propaganda and indoctrination via education and mass media. We constantly hear of stories of abused women. This scares and terrifies women into distrusting men. It forces them into delaying marriage and pursuing careers to protect their financial future. The fear is real. Fear is the greatest motivator.
We’re told that it’s perfectly normal for a woman to have both a career and raise children at the same time. While this may work for some (a minority), it does not work for all women. It harms them and the society. Many women get burnt out trying to juggle jobs and raising kids. It's too much.
We expect women to work like they have no kids, and have kids like they don't work. We have put unrealistic demands on women. Stress, depression, and disintegration of the family. The statistics are there. It is unfair to women. Women have been tricked into believing that having a career and family are the norm.
Modernity and liberalism have changed everything. Today we find early marriage shocking, but the pre-modern people lived in a very different time period. They didn’t go to schools or colleges. They didn’t pursue careers as there weren’t any to begin with! Rich women invested their money into businesses buy hiring men. They weren’t exactly your CEOs or “boss babes”. Women are celebrated and praised for being CEOs, but never for being mothers or wives.
In pre-modern societies, girls did not care much about careers because there weren’t any to begin with! There was no vocational or job training for any jobs because girls didn’t get jobs.
The million-dollar question is this: For such a girl (living in pre-modern world), why won’t she get married, enjoy sex with her husband, and have children who love her?! Why on earth would a pre-modern girl refuse to get married early? She had much to gain, and little to lose. Her husband was her boss. Why not sleep with your husband-boss and be happier? Why wouldn't a pre-modern woman raise her financial and social status by marrying? Hypergamy was a thing in the past. And hypergamy is still a thing! Women don't marry lower status men. Marriage is still, yes, it’s hard for our liberal minds to accept it, the best option for women.
Early marriage was not only the norm, but also the most sensible and financially beneficial thing to do. That was then. Still, we have many poor villages in India and Africa where this works. As long as there’s no harm, let them do it.
Liberalism has brainwashed us into rejecting early marriage. Girls are denied the freedom to marry early. Yet, girls are told they can sleep with anyone they want, have sex with anyone, “discover”, and even change their gender any time without parental consent! Liberalism is stupid, dangerous, and destructive. It’s ruining lives, families, communities, and societies. Why is the population in almost all secular liberal states in decline Most Western nations are in decline-population is imploding. Europe has no future-thanks to liberalism! Most Europeans do not want to have children. They prefer to raise dogs and cats. In America, there are more pet dogs and cats than children!
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Exactly! Modern Christians have forgotten their own history and what early Christians practiced, including early marriage/minor marriage which was so common. They're heavily influenced by liberalism. The Bible is not liberal.
Nice copy and paste copium, but where are the facts? Do you have any, or are you just trying to deceive with many words?
@@ReasonedAnswersNasty ignorant response. It's perfectly accurate if you bothered to research the subject in depth instead of just taking cheap shots.
You can't just read these texts and think you know how they are interpreted by Islamic jurisprudence. The Internet is full of ignorant amateur Islam haters like you.
Very good analysis. Sounds like you are aware of Shahed Bolsen. This is what he says.
@@ReasonedAnswers he/she is just trying to deceive with many words. i mean obviously you would try to deceive people with many words when what you’re trying to defend is obviously wrong and cannot be possibly considered moral if it’s not defended by a bunch of mental gymnastics or so called “facts” or half truths which point to something but don’t necessarily prove that allowing for 6 year old children to be sexually penetrated is the solution of that certain “issue”. these people are weird LMAO
Talmud barakhot 24a: The Master said (in a baraita)
If his children and the members of his household were minors, even though they are
unclothed, it is permitted to recite Shema even without a garment separating between
them. The Gemara asks: Until what age is one still considered a minor?
Rav Ḥisda said: A girl until she is 3 YEARS AND ONE DAY OLD, and a boy until he is 9
YEARS AND ONE DAY OLD, for these are the ages from which a sexual act in which
they participate is considered a sexual act.
Some say: A girl 11 YEARS and one day old and a boy of 12 YEARS and one day old, as
that is the age at which they are considered adults in this regard. This age is only
approximate, as the age of majority for both this, the boy, and that, the girl, is at the
onset of puberty in accordance with the verse:
"I made you (Israel) multiply like plants [which grow] in the field, and you grew up and
became tall and you reached the age for [wearing] fine jewelry; your breasts were
formed and your hair had grown, yet you were naked and bare."
(Old Testament Ezekiel 16:7).
So, that's reason why rabbis admitted Rebecca was 3 years old and King David's wife
Bathsheba gave birth to Solomon when she was 6 years old.
Minor marriage was a thing. It's totally permitted in the Bible. Jesus never spoke against minor marriage. It was prevalent in his time. The Bible does not specify a minimum age for marriage. Modern Christians are confused about the minimum age for marriage.
Thank you for displaying 1) your totally misunderstanding of how to read the Talmud; 2) your total ignorance of the Bible/Jesus; 3) your total ignorance of history; and of course 4) your love for sex with children. Get lost pervert.
Showing that a different religion is screwed up doesn't take away from the fact that the religion you follow is screwed up. Do you find young girls attractive?
@@ReasonedAnswersthat’s not really a response though
@@mattholt2451 Of course it's a response. Christians have never accepted the Talmud as inspired. Have they tried asking current Talmudic Rabbis if they agree with this view?
Jesus gave the example of Adam and Eve though [the original pattern], they were full mature adults. One is not to do anything abusive. The standard Islamic narrative shows a person who is mastered by besetting sins such as lust, and not commendable behaviour, rather he should have repented, he trusted in his good deeds to get to heaven, so no hope for him now. (Polygamy in the Biblical account was also a human innovation by Lamech, who was a noted bad person in the same category as Cain. Hence why when practiced all the cases in the Old Testament lead to problems such as favouritism, jealousy and neglect, and why Proverbs rejects it.)