Dear god this is the first video that’s pulled it together into a coherent whole for me! Thanks so much! I just got a verse lab and spent the last two days ogling it and feeling depressed by the manual. This is so clarifying! A clip! I get it!
I'm so glad this was helpful. The verselab is a strange beast, give it some time, you'll have a breakthrough. (It took me about six months of using it every day before I started to have those little "aha" moments)
Thanks! Some of that is my memory issues, but most of it is just that's how I remember things. If someone only says something once, there's no way I'll retain it. I'm planning, once all the basics are finished, to make a couple of project based videos where we make a track from start to finish to using the concepts we've explored in these longer videos. It's probably months away, but it's what I would have liked when I first got the verselab.
Thanks. Comments like this make me feel bad... I've got outlines for many more videos on the verselab (and theory, in general), but finding the motivation to actually make them is difficult. I appreciate the support, and hope to put out more in the future (meanwhile, if you're not part of the verselab groups on Facebook, definitely check those out. There are a lot of people there who love to help).
A lot of my issues are physical, neurological, and financial, you can get more info, if interested, at LeRoy3rd dot com. You can also find other ways to contact me there if you could use more specific help (though usually I prefer to work in the Facebook groups as that benefits other people who may have the same questions). If you get frustrated, don't give up. There are a lot of irritating things about the verselab (and all hardware), but there are also a lot of little gems and great workflows if you stay with it.
What I love most about the MV1 is how good finished songs sound after mastering and mixing down. The finished songs on the MV1 sound better than the MPC!
I wish I had some hands on experience with other hardware, like MPCs, but my seizure disorder (and bank account, lol) have kept me from having the opportunity to get more familiar with them. I'm familiar with a lot of different hardware (and software), but it's mostly academic, as opposed to experiential, unfortunately.
Damn bro, your youtube videos on verselab are a gold mine. I've been working in sequencer mode, and basically got all the ingredients for a song. Now I'm looking to get all these clips organized into sections and eventually export them, or record the midi/audio into ableton, or some process to get a song structure like an intro, verse, chorus, etc. I'm watching your video on clips tracks, and sections. You're so helpful everywhere. I first saw your posts on Facebook. Thanks again.
Thanks, I appreciate the encouragement. 😊 I've got about half a dozen more videos outlined, but things have been a bit... complicated in my life. I'm sure I'll make some new videos at some point (vocal takes will be next, then looper tracks, then the vocal processor, then effects).
If Roland (or anyone) sent gear my way, I'd certainly be motivated to give it the same treatment... the issue is (and it's complicated), I can't make any money from any of this (though I do have an Amazon wishlist linked in my bio, and at my webpage... at my webpage you could also read a bit more about my struggles). Also, I'm pretty blunt about my opinions, so, while I do love exploring gear, I'm also pretty critical about the flaws, deliberate handicapping, and bugs. As far as composition goes, I'm a classically trained musician, I was mostly taught to read music, and PLAY instruments... it's only been in the last couple of years that I've dipped my toe into composition, music production, and, even, hardware. I own Ableton Live Suite (love. It), and I'd use that, except that I have seizures, and can't be in front of a computer for long. That's what brought me to the verselab. As far as hardware I have on hand, I've got a digital/hybrid synth called the MicroFreak, the verselab, and a couple of midi controllers. Nothing too special. I'd love to have a small analog synth to demonstrate, but it's probably going to be 9 months to a year before I can afford to purchase one.
I'm getting this for my son's birthday. He will be turning 10. Both him and I will be learning the system together so i can help guide him through. I'm sure he'll be teaching me a few things as kids tend to pick up quicker anyway lol. Will definitely be watching all of your videos as we go through the system, trying to conquer it. Thank God I found your channel, and thank you for your help.
Brian Lamb is also on those groups. He runs Roland's Cloud Academy (free live sessions to teach the hardware). You'll definitely want to take advantage of that (I took those classes 3 times!).
@@LeRoy3rd I was going to ask. What’s the best way to run the system? I have a Bluetooth speaker I can use line out to but idk if it’s going to translate the sounds well. Headphones? Or should I get a higher quality dedicated speaker/amp?
@@Rpalacios29623 That's a matter of preference. When I'm just getting down an idea, I typically use an inexpensive pair of earbuds I have (I think they cost around $20, not fancy). They're comfortable, and I listen to them a lot because if they get damaged, or stolen, etc, they can be easily replaced. If I'm taking the verselab with me, I also use these just because they take up very little space, and, honestly, for 90% of creation, pretty much any headphones will do fine. The speakers I use are also pretty inexpensive, and USB powered. I don't have studio monitors (I live in an apartment). When it comes time to do more aurally precise work (mixing and mastering), I find it useful to use a pair of in ear monitors or a decent pair of studio headphones. Honestly, for most work, unless you've really trained your ears, any decent pair of headphones is going to work well. The best headphones are the ones you know the sound of very well. As far as Bluetooth, even if you have a Bluetooth transmitter to plug into the verselab, I wouldn't recommend it because of the latency... if it has a hardware cable you can use, though, it should work just fine. 🙂
There are several more housekeeping things to work through, but hopefully we'll look at several different methods to write music when we've covered a bit more. I'd definitely like to show some tips on, say, working in 3/4, or 9/8. Honestly, I'm *terrible* about finishing songs, typically I'll get an idea down, get it from seed to the sketch stage, but I usually stop there. I've got hundreds of ideas that I just never seem to get back to... You can see a handful of them here, if you're curious: Check out LeRoy3rd on #SoundCloud on.soundcloud.com/EPXEJ
Hello Leroy! Thank you for your videos. I’m going along with them learning this device. I have completed this video and have finally learned how to lay out my sections into a “song.” I have a ways to go before I get a fluent dynamic sound but as I got to a mix down, I select instrument or full mix and at the end of BOTH I keep getting “Closing Error!” Can you tell me what that is and how to avoid it?
I've had that happen occasionally, but I haven't found a way to repeat it, reliably, and I haven't had anyone else be able to. It seems, at least in my experience, to be rare. When I first saw this, I turned my verselab off, waited a couple of minutes, then turned it back on... I'd figured it was an SD card error, perhaps. I loaded the project, and tried to render it out again, and it worked, without error. This seems to be the solution... from how randomly it happens, and since restarting the device always fixes it (so far, knock on wood!), this leads me to believe it may be a memory issue, something becoming corrupted in RAM, a buffer overflow, etc. So, I realize it's not all that helpful, but the first thing I'd suggest is restarting. Also, for my ease of mind, I routinely backup my projects to an external hard drive, just in case the SD card fails, and occasionally I'll take a couple of days and record all audio tracks and midi data for each project into projects for my DAW, so if my verselab dies, I'll still have the pieces to rebuild projects, if I want to later. (It's a bit overkill, and pretty time consuming, but gives me peace of mind.)
@@LeRoy3rd thank you for the reply Leroy!! I’m going to be digging into the vid on vocal recording tonight. I’ll come back with any other mysteries. I appreciate you!! I can hardly wait to have content to post! I’ve got at least 20 songs ready. Just been waiting on THIS! Still SO far to go. Thank you for these videos!!
@@B_easyRealHurts My next video will be, specifically, on Vocal Takes... I've got the outline for it done (and for about a dozen other future videos), I've just been having a hard time finding the motivation to actually record the video... 😄 Keep your eyes peeled, though, the order of upcoming videos should be: Vocal Takes, Looper Tracks, Effects (clip and Total), Vocal Processor, Deeper dive into the SONG Portion of the Workflow, Project: Making a SONG - Start to Finish.
Good question! In this case, as I made these samples, this one was just recorded at the wrong pitch (I record them and add a label so I know the pitch of the sample). I find, in general, many samples don't include the recorded pitch, so you'll have to do a bit of experimentation to find the correct pitch. To do this you can put a tonal instrument on another track, and try to find what pitch your sample is by going back and forth. Then, on the track with the sample you need to adjust, in SEQ > NOTE, press SECTION SELECT, then EDIT+PAD (the pad for the clip you're working on), scroll to TONE SETTING, then CoarseTune, and you can adjust the pitch of the sample up or down by half step (semitone). It's useful to know, also, that when a control from the TONE SETTING menu is on the screen, you CAN press NOTE to go back to NOTE mode without losing the settings on the screen. So, you can go to note mode and play the pads while you adjust the tuning of the sample. Hope that helps! We'll be discussing pad scale and key modes (as well as how scales and keys work, in general) in a video in the near future.
Oh! One more thing, the verselab puts the original sample on C. So, if the sample is, say, an F, every time you play C on the Verselab, it will sound like an F... So, in this scenario, you'd need to use CoarseTine to adjust the sample down -5. This will make the notes on the Verselab line up with the actual pitch of that sample. As mentioned above, you can also use your ear, and more often than not that will be required because the sample won't be labeled.
Ok, so if I'm in sequence mode and I create a sequence thats 96 steps, so that would be 6 pages. Then when Im in section select and section mode determining how many measures to play that 96 step clip, its best to set it to 12 measures correct? If i only choose 4 measures, then only 64 of the 96 measures will play. But if i choose 12 measures, then it will be like playing the clip twice, but at least ill have symmetry. Is that correct? Also, did you already do a video where you talk about copying and or deleting clips, sections, etc?
TL;DR: If each part in your section is 6 measures of 4 beats each, setting SECTION to 6 bars will work just fine. The verselab, after SEQ, sees everything in 4 beats bars (measures), but the number of measures doesn't matter. 😊 ***** You could set it to 12 measures, but you could also set it to 6. If you're using the default step scale, 1/16, there are 16 steps per page of data in the step sequencer, and each page is one measure. So, the 96 steps will take 6 pages, which is also 6 measures, and you're correct that 4 measures would be 64 steps. That being said, while each measure has to have 4 beats, the number of measures you end up with doesn't really matter. This changes if you're using a different step scale (the step scale is just what each step is, in relation to a beat... after the sequence part of the workflow (SEQ), the verselab counts everything in full measures, and every measure has to be 4 beats. If you're working in a time signature that has less than 4 beats per measure, say 3/4, then, you'd want to make enough BEATS to fill up a measure. What I mean is, if you want, say, one measure of 3/4, that's not really possible... after the SEQ portion of the workflow, since the verselab always counts 4 beats in a measure, if you tried to do one measure of 3/4 (3 beats, or 12 steps), it would play the 3 beats you wrote, then start the clip over and ay beat 1 again to fill up the measure. If you wrote one measure of 3/4, then selected 2 measures in SECTION, it would play the 3 beats, then start the clip again and play beat 1, but now measure 1 is over, so it restarts the clip. The effect is, it would play beats 1, 2, 3, 1, 1, 2, 3, 1 (so it would play beat 1 multiple times). In this case, what you'd need to do is write 4 measures of 3/4... this is 12 beats... the verselab would see it as 3 measures of 4/4, but it would play the same as 4 measures of 3/4. The biggest problem with that is, you'd have to keep track of where your measures start... on the first page of sequencer data, beat 1 of the 2nd measure would be step 13. Beat 2 would be step 1 of page 2, beat 3 would be step 5, etc. It can become confusing quickly. At the end of the day, though, if you stick to 4 beats in a measure, everything just falls into place on this device. As long as you have 4 beats, you can have 4 measures, or 12, or 7, or whatever. It's also useful to know, say you have your 96 steps, 6 measures, but you want it repeated twice. CAN you select 12 measures in SECTION? Sure! And there's really no downside, it will just start the clip (the 96 steps) over from the beginning when it ends. But there's also another possibility. You could set it to 6 measures, then add it twice in a row in the SONG portion of the workflow. This may be more flexible, depending on your needs. In SONG, you don't just have 16 sections available, you can have up to 99 PAGES of 16 sections each. So, that being the case, if you made your 6 measure sequence 12 measures in section, every time you loaded that section in SONG, it would play 12 measures. If, instead, you left it at 6 measures, you could still have it play 12, by adding the section twice, but you'd also have the option of limiting it to 6. There are reasons you may want it longer (for instance, maybe one of the other clips in the section IS 12 measures, if you limit your section to 6 measures in SECTION, it will cut off the other parts). At any rate, I may have gotten a bit sidetracked in this answer, I hope I helped answer your question ... I'll write a quick TL;DR at the top, lol.
Sorry, missed the end of your question. My memory isn't great, but I don't *think* I did a video yet on basic editing functions like copy/paste/undo/clip saving, etc. I may have *mentioned*, or touched on these things, but I do have an outline for a video specifically on using them, but this video will come after we cover all the basics (I'm still having a difficult time getting motivated to make the next video on Vocal Takes. 😄).
@@LeRoy3rdcool thanks, that actually clears a lot. I usually whistle or hum melodies, and lately they are all in 3/4 or 6/4 time, so this helps as I venture into sections and song mode. Thanks.
hi! thanks for the video...i have a wierd thing happening: in song mode, when it moves from section to section, the first beat starts a bit slowly...it's like there's a compressor or noise gate or something that mutes a split second of the start of every transition...do you know what could be causing that and how i can fix it?
Hmmm... Interesting, I don't think I've heard of this issue before. I can't visualize exactly what the issue is (and there are so many variables), any chance you could make a sample project and post a link so I could download it and take a look? There are a couple of weird things the verselab does between sections, long tails especially, can get a bit crushed, but the only time I typically see problems with things not coming in at tempo are usually if trying to use 1/32 as the step scale (that's broken), or not using 4 beats in a measure (the verselab counts every measure as 4 beats).
If any of your Tones has a Multi FX associated with it, you will get this skip. It is the MultiFX engine reloading at the beginning of each section, EVEN IF the Multi FX setting is the same. It is my number 1 gripe with the MV-1, and once you notice it, you CANNOT ignore it. The only workaround I've found so far is to just disable the Track/Clip level Multi FX and try to make do with just the Total Effects (Mixer Level) effects.
Maybe it's only specific effects? Or only specific presets? I've tried around a dozen effects so far, and I haven't experienced anything like this. I've asked several people for projects demonstrating what they're experiencing, and I haven't received ANY.
@@LeRoy3rdin playing around with it i’ve found that it is only a few sounds that have compression in them…when i edit them and remove the compressor the issue is gone…it only happened to me when i was first starting out with the mv1 and i haven’t had it happen since.
Hmmm, thanks for the further details, that's interesting... I'm going to have to spend more time playing with this... You mention that you haven't had the issue for awhile, is this because you're avoiding effects that cause the issue, or because the problem is intermittent, and difficult to reproduce? Do you know if this is only on the most recent firmware, or was it an issue on earlier firmware as well? If I can figure out exactly what caused this repeatably, we may be able to submit a bug report to Roland.
@@LeRoy3rdI'm just excited to get away from a DAW and all the choices that go with it. I just want a little box with a few sounds so i can actually get something done :) I'm hoping i can write on this and then polish things up in the DAW.
@@mrburns366 It takes a little fiddling, but you definitely can use your DAW for further polishing. The verselab will output all 7 tracks of midi data, and all the tracks of audio, simultaneously. I've had some issues with sync and some slight clock drift with the MIDI (this could be my old computer and/or a DAW issue, your mileage may vary), but it's definitely usable. There's also the option to use zenbeats in verselab mode, but, honestly, I haven't found that very useful. The best feature is dialing in effects and making the menu-diving on the verselab a bit more friendly.
Dear god this is the first video that’s pulled it together into a coherent whole for me! Thanks so much! I just got a verse lab and spent the last two days ogling it and feeling depressed by the manual. This is so clarifying! A clip! I get it!
I'm so glad this was helpful. The verselab is a strange beast, give it some time, you'll have a breakthrough. (It took me about six months of using it every day before I started to have those little "aha" moments)
i love how you are repeating stuff multiple times to sink in. Very helpful.
Thanks! Some of that is my memory issues, but most of it is just that's how I remember things. If someone only says something once, there's no way I'll retain it. I'm planning, once all the basics are finished, to make a couple of project based videos where we make a track from start to finish to using the concepts we've explored in these longer videos. It's probably months away, but it's what I would have liked when I first got the verselab.
Thank you so much for all your tutorials on Verselab, so useful !
Thanks. Comments like this make me feel bad... I've got outlines for many more videos on the verselab (and theory, in general), but finding the motivation to actually make them is difficult. I appreciate the support, and hope to put out more in the future (meanwhile, if you're not part of the verselab groups on Facebook, definitely check those out. There are a lot of people there who love to help).
@@LeRoy3rd I will register to Facebook group, great Idea 👍
A lot of my issues are physical, neurological, and financial, you can get more info, if interested, at LeRoy3rd dot com. You can also find other ways to contact me there if you could use more specific help (though usually I prefer to work in the Facebook groups as that benefits other people who may have the same questions). If you get frustrated, don't give up. There are a lot of irritating things about the verselab (and all hardware), but there are also a lot of little gems and great workflows if you stay with it.
What I love most about the MV1 is how good finished songs sound after mastering and mixing down. The finished songs on the MV1 sound better than the MPC!
I wish I had some hands on experience with other hardware, like MPCs, but my seizure disorder (and bank account, lol) have kept me from having the opportunity to get more familiar with them. I'm familiar with a lot of different hardware (and software), but it's mostly academic, as opposed to experiential, unfortunately.
I wouldn’t go that far! But MV definitely has its own sound and it’s not thin by far!
Damn bro, your youtube videos on verselab are a gold mine. I've been working in sequencer mode, and basically got all the ingredients for a song. Now I'm looking to get all these clips organized into sections and eventually export them, or record the midi/audio into ableton, or some process to get a song structure like an intro, verse, chorus, etc. I'm watching your video on clips tracks, and sections. You're so helpful everywhere. I first saw your posts on Facebook. Thanks again.
Thanks, I appreciate the encouragement. 😊 I've got about half a dozen more videos outlined, but things have been a bit... complicated in my life. I'm sure I'll make some new videos at some point (vocal takes will be next, then looper tracks, then the vocal processor, then effects).
@LeRoy3rd seriously, Roland should pay you bro. What other gear do you use to compose?
If Roland (or anyone) sent gear my way, I'd certainly be motivated to give it the same treatment... the issue is (and it's complicated), I can't make any money from any of this (though I do have an Amazon wishlist linked in my bio, and at my webpage... at my webpage you could also read a bit more about my struggles). Also, I'm pretty blunt about my opinions, so, while I do love exploring gear, I'm also pretty critical about the flaws, deliberate handicapping, and bugs.
As far as composition goes, I'm a classically trained musician, I was mostly taught to read music, and PLAY instruments... it's only been in the last couple of years that I've dipped my toe into composition, music production, and, even, hardware. I own Ableton Live Suite (love. It), and I'd use that, except that I have seizures, and can't be in front of a computer for long. That's what brought me to the verselab.
As far as hardware I have on hand, I've got a digital/hybrid synth called the MicroFreak, the verselab, and a couple of midi controllers. Nothing too special. I'd love to have a small analog synth to demonstrate, but it's probably going to be 9 months to a year before I can afford to purchase one.
Extremely well explained, thanks for doing this, I’ve learnt more watching your videos than anywhere else with the verselab!
Thanks, I appreciate the encouragement. I have many more videos planned (next will discuss vocal takes).
Subscribed! Very useful information. I hope you continue with MV content.
You are a very good teacher❤
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I'm getting this for my son's birthday. He will be turning 10. Both him and I will be learning the system together so i can help guide him through. I'm sure he'll be teaching me a few things as kids tend to pick up quicker anyway lol. Will definitely be watching all of your videos as we go through the system, trying to conquer it. Thank God I found your channel, and thank you for your help.
Glad to be of use. I think I saw your post on one of the Facebook groups, it's usually a helpful place for answers, as well.
@@LeRoy3rd yes that was me lol. Small world
Brian Lamb is also on those groups. He runs Roland's Cloud Academy (free live sessions to teach the hardware). You'll definitely want to take advantage of that (I took those classes 3 times!).
@@LeRoy3rd I was going to ask. What’s the best way to run the system? I have a Bluetooth speaker I can use line out to but idk if it’s going to translate the sounds well. Headphones? Or should I get a higher quality dedicated speaker/amp?
@@Rpalacios29623 That's a matter of preference. When I'm just getting down an idea, I typically use an inexpensive pair of earbuds I have (I think they cost around $20, not fancy). They're comfortable, and I listen to them a lot because if they get damaged, or stolen, etc, they can be easily replaced. If I'm taking the verselab with me, I also use these just because they take up very little space, and, honestly, for 90% of creation, pretty much any headphones will do fine. The speakers I use are also pretty inexpensive, and USB powered. I don't have studio monitors (I live in an apartment). When it comes time to do more aurally precise work (mixing and mastering), I find it useful to use a pair of in ear monitors or a decent pair of studio headphones. Honestly, for most work, unless you've really trained your ears, any decent pair of headphones is going to work well. The best headphones are the ones you know the sound of very well. As far as Bluetooth, even if you have a Bluetooth transmitter to plug into the verselab, I wouldn't recommend it because of the latency... if it has a hardware cable you can use, though, it should work just fine. 🙂
Cheers mate 👍🏽
Thanks 👍
Next I want to see how you compose a song in your way.🙏
There are several more housekeeping things to work through, but hopefully we'll look at several different methods to write music when we've covered a bit more. I'd definitely like to show some tips on, say, working in 3/4, or 9/8. Honestly, I'm *terrible* about finishing songs, typically I'll get an idea down, get it from seed to the sketch stage, but I usually stop there. I've got hundreds of ideas that I just never seem to get back to... You can see a handful of them here, if you're curious:
Check out LeRoy3rd on #SoundCloud
on.soundcloud.com/EPXEJ
Nicely detailed than the Roland Tutorial
Thanks. There are more coming. 😊
Hello Leroy! Thank you for your videos. I’m going along with them learning this device. I have completed this video and have finally learned how to lay out my sections into a “song.” I have a ways to go before I get a fluent dynamic sound but as I got to a mix down, I select instrument or full mix and at the end of BOTH I keep getting “Closing Error!”
Can you tell me what that is and how to avoid it?
I've had that happen occasionally, but I haven't found a way to repeat it, reliably, and I haven't had anyone else be able to. It seems, at least in my experience, to be rare. When I first saw this, I turned my verselab off, waited a couple of minutes, then turned it back on... I'd figured it was an SD card error, perhaps. I loaded the project, and tried to render it out again, and it worked, without error.
This seems to be the solution... from how randomly it happens, and since restarting the device always fixes it (so far, knock on wood!), this leads me to believe it may be a memory issue, something becoming corrupted in RAM, a buffer overflow, etc.
So, I realize it's not all that helpful, but the first thing I'd suggest is restarting. Also, for my ease of mind, I routinely backup my projects to an external hard drive, just in case the SD card fails, and occasionally I'll take a couple of days and record all audio tracks and midi data for each project into projects for my DAW, so if my verselab dies, I'll still have the pieces to rebuild projects, if I want to later. (It's a bit overkill, and pretty time consuming, but gives me peace of mind.)
@@LeRoy3rd thank you for the reply Leroy!! I’m going to be digging into the vid on vocal recording tonight. I’ll come back with any other mysteries. I appreciate you!! I can hardly wait to have content to post! I’ve got at least 20 songs ready. Just been waiting on THIS! Still SO far to go. Thank you for these videos!!
@@B_easyRealHurts My next video will be, specifically, on Vocal Takes... I've got the outline for it done (and for about a dozen other future videos), I've just been having a hard time finding the motivation to actually record the video... 😄 Keep your eyes peeled, though, the order of upcoming videos should be: Vocal Takes, Looper Tracks, Effects (clip and Total), Vocal Processor, Deeper dive into the SONG Portion of the Workflow, Project: Making a SONG - Start to Finish.
At 3:06 this is my problem with wave file(out of key),can you help me?.
Good question! In this case, as I made these samples, this one was just recorded at the wrong pitch (I record them and add a label so I know the pitch of the sample). I find, in general, many samples don't include the recorded pitch, so you'll have to do a bit of experimentation to find the correct pitch. To do this you can put a tonal instrument on another track, and try to find what pitch your sample is by going back and forth. Then, on the track with the sample you need to adjust, in SEQ > NOTE, press SECTION SELECT, then EDIT+PAD (the pad for the clip you're working on), scroll to TONE SETTING, then CoarseTune, and you can adjust the pitch of the sample up or down by half step (semitone). It's useful to know, also, that when a control from the TONE SETTING menu is on the screen, you CAN press NOTE to go back to NOTE mode without losing the settings on the screen. So, you can go to note mode and play the pads while you adjust the tuning of the sample. Hope that helps! We'll be discussing pad scale and key modes (as well as how scales and keys work, in general) in a video in the near future.
I may make a quick video on the process of adjusting the pitch of samples in a future video (might fit well in a tips and tricks video, perhaps?)
Oh! One more thing, the verselab puts the original sample on C. So, if the sample is, say, an F, every time you play C on the Verselab, it will sound like an F... So, in this scenario, you'd need to use CoarseTine to adjust the sample down -5. This will make the notes on the Verselab line up with the actual pitch of that sample. As mentioned above, you can also use your ear, and more often than not that will be required because the sample won't be labeled.
Ok, so if I'm in sequence mode and I create a sequence thats 96 steps, so that would be 6 pages. Then when Im in section select and section mode determining how many measures to play that 96 step clip, its best to set it to 12 measures correct? If i only choose 4 measures, then only 64 of the 96 measures will play. But if i choose 12 measures, then it will be like playing the clip twice, but at least ill have symmetry. Is that correct?
Also, did you already do a video where you talk about copying and or deleting clips, sections, etc?
TL;DR: If each part in your section is 6 measures of 4 beats each, setting SECTION to 6 bars will work just fine. The verselab, after SEQ, sees everything in 4 beats bars (measures), but the number of measures doesn't matter. 😊
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You could set it to 12 measures, but you could also set it to 6. If you're using the default step scale, 1/16, there are 16 steps per page of data in the step sequencer, and each page is one measure. So, the 96 steps will take 6 pages, which is also 6 measures, and you're correct that 4 measures would be 64 steps. That being said, while each measure has to have 4 beats, the number of measures you end up with doesn't really matter. This changes if you're using a different step scale (the step scale is just what each step is, in relation to a beat... after the sequence part of the workflow (SEQ), the verselab counts everything in full measures, and every measure has to be 4 beats.
If you're working in a time signature that has less than 4 beats per measure, say 3/4, then, you'd want to make enough BEATS to fill up a measure. What I mean is, if you want, say, one measure of 3/4, that's not really possible... after the SEQ portion of the workflow, since the verselab always counts 4 beats in a measure, if you tried to do one measure of 3/4 (3 beats, or 12 steps), it would play the 3 beats you wrote, then start the clip over and ay beat 1 again to fill up the measure. If you wrote one measure of 3/4, then selected 2 measures in SECTION, it would play the 3 beats, then start the clip again and play beat 1, but now measure 1 is over, so it restarts the clip. The effect is, it would play beats 1, 2, 3, 1, 1, 2, 3, 1 (so it would play beat 1 multiple times). In this case, what you'd need to do is write 4 measures of 3/4... this is 12 beats... the verselab would see it as 3 measures of 4/4, but it would play the same as 4 measures of 3/4. The biggest problem with that is, you'd have to keep track of where your measures start... on the first page of sequencer data, beat 1 of the 2nd measure would be step 13. Beat 2 would be step 1 of page 2, beat 3 would be step 5, etc. It can become confusing quickly.
At the end of the day, though, if you stick to 4 beats in a measure, everything just falls into place on this device. As long as you have 4 beats, you can have 4 measures, or 12, or 7, or whatever. It's also useful to know, say you have your 96 steps, 6 measures, but you want it repeated twice. CAN you select 12 measures in SECTION? Sure! And there's really no downside, it will just start the clip (the 96 steps) over from the beginning when it ends. But there's also another possibility. You could set it to 6 measures, then add it twice in a row in the SONG portion of the workflow. This may be more flexible, depending on your needs. In SONG, you don't just have 16 sections available, you can have up to 99 PAGES of 16 sections each. So, that being the case, if you made your 6 measure sequence 12 measures in section, every time you loaded that section in SONG, it would play 12 measures. If, instead, you left it at 6 measures, you could still have it play 12, by adding the section twice, but you'd also have the option of limiting it to 6. There are reasons you may want it longer (for instance, maybe one of the other clips in the section IS 12 measures, if you limit your section to 6 measures in SECTION, it will cut off the other parts). At any rate, I may have gotten a bit sidetracked in this answer, I hope I helped answer your question ... I'll write a quick TL;DR at the top, lol.
Sorry, missed the end of your question. My memory isn't great, but I don't *think* I did a video yet on basic editing functions like copy/paste/undo/clip saving, etc. I may have *mentioned*, or touched on these things, but I do have an outline for a video specifically on using them, but this video will come after we cover all the basics (I'm still having a difficult time getting motivated to make the next video on Vocal Takes. 😄).
@@LeRoy3rdcool thanks, that actually clears a lot. I usually whistle or hum melodies, and lately they are all in 3/4 or 6/4 time, so this helps as I venture into sections and song mode. Thanks.
Is there tap tempo Leroy?
There is not. 😢
The good news, though, there are lots of free apps that can do that on your phone. Those will get you pretty close.
hi! thanks for the video...i have a wierd thing happening: in song mode, when it moves from section to section, the first beat starts a bit slowly...it's like there's a compressor or noise gate or something that mutes a split second of the start of every transition...do you know what could be causing that and how i can fix it?
Hmmm... Interesting, I don't think I've heard of this issue before. I can't visualize exactly what the issue is (and there are so many variables), any chance you could make a sample project and post a link so I could download it and take a look? There are a couple of weird things the verselab does between sections, long tails especially, can get a bit crushed, but the only time I typically see problems with things not coming in at tempo are usually if trying to use 1/32 as the step scale (that's broken), or not using 4 beats in a measure (the verselab counts every measure as 4 beats).
If any of your Tones has a Multi FX associated with it, you will get this skip. It is the MultiFX engine reloading at the beginning of each section, EVEN IF the Multi FX setting is the same. It is my number 1 gripe with the MV-1, and once you notice it, you CANNOT ignore it. The only workaround I've found so far is to just disable the Track/Clip level Multi FX and try to make do with just the Total Effects (Mixer Level) effects.
Maybe it's only specific effects? Or only specific presets? I've tried around a dozen effects so far, and I haven't experienced anything like this. I've asked several people for projects demonstrating what they're experiencing, and I haven't received ANY.
@@LeRoy3rdin playing around with it i’ve found that it is only a few sounds that have compression in them…when i edit them and remove the compressor the issue is gone…it only happened to me when i was first starting out with the mv1 and i haven’t had it happen since.
Hmmm, thanks for the further details, that's interesting... I'm going to have to spend more time playing with this... You mention that you haven't had the issue for awhile, is this because you're avoiding effects that cause the issue, or because the problem is intermittent, and difficult to reproduce? Do you know if this is only on the most recent firmware, or was it an issue on earlier firmware as well? If I can figure out exactly what caused this repeatably, we may be able to submit a bug report to Roland.
woohooo!!
I just ordered one of these. I'm so excited :)
That's great! My best advice for anyone (for any hardware) is: don't give up! Every device has pros and cons, lean in to it. 😀
@@LeRoy3rdI'm just excited to get away from a DAW and all the choices that go with it. I just want a little box with a few sounds so i can actually get something done :) I'm hoping i can write on this and then polish things up in the DAW.
@@mrburns366 It takes a little fiddling, but you definitely can use your DAW for further polishing. The verselab will output all 7 tracks of midi data, and all the tracks of audio, simultaneously. I've had some issues with sync and some slight clock drift with the MIDI (this could be my old computer and/or a DAW issue, your mileage may vary), but it's definitely usable.
There's also the option to use zenbeats in verselab mode, but, honestly, I haven't found that very useful. The best feature is dialing in effects and making the menu-diving on the verselab a bit more friendly.