Why Everyone Hated Battlefield 5
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- This is why Everyone Hated Battlefield 5. Battlefield 5 was the worst release of a Battlefield game ever, and we examine why that happened. It's a strange reason that never should have existed in the first place.
Battlefield 2042 should be the result of the learnings from the failures of Battlefield 5, and hopefully, the Battlefield 2042 Beta Gameplay will be just as good as the Official Battlefield 2042 Trailers and Exodus Short Film are.
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0:00 Battlefield Failed
0:36 How it Started
1:16 The Responses
2:35 Historical Accuracy
4:01 Miscommunication
5:15 "Uneducated"
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I'm still not sure why a lot of people didn't like infinite warfare it had a good campaign and an unique thematic and i get why there's a woman it could be a woman trying to help his country with blitzkrieg and there were few military women in ww1 so it's not completely bad that hand replacement is unrealistic for that time and we didn't even get a lot of the things in that trailer
I just subscribed. It’s not crap
The messaging was horrible. They're hoping to catch hardcore fans' nostalgia of BF 1942 but peppered BFV's trailer with microtransanction elements.
Fans see and treat BF games as one giant sandbox for them to fool around in. The reveal trailer and EA's plan treat BFV as one big giant wardrobe. Throwing a tank into air to shoot down a plane is a fun thing to attempt by everyone even if it failed. Flashy costumes or vanity items mean either endless grind or whipping out your credit card.
Many of those who you were saying “DIDNT mind women in battlefield, it’s just tha-“
Nah bro. I’ve spent enough time around reactionaries to know what a fuckin dog whistle is.
You even showed The Quartering for fucks sake.
If the issue that sparked it all was truly one Reddit comment and a 9 second clip, then it wouldn’t actually have dented the release.
You have dudes commit sexual assault and still have their media properties release to astounding success while their fans harass their potential victims to insane degrees.
Gaming has had a real problem with really shitty dudes that have a knee jerk aggressive reaction to anything a woman says or does that’s even slightly cringey. They don’t see women as people, but rather these strictly ‘one thing or another’ kind of things- they’re either “one of us” or “screaming blue haired woke cringe wamen.”
I’m decently sure that you are arguing in good faith, because the tone in your voice seems to give off some sincerity. A good chunk of the dudes that bitched about this were angry that there was a woman, but wanted to wait for the first excuse they could find to bitch-bemoan-gripe and harass. These same people bitch to no end about cancel culture, but happily participate in it any chance something is ‘left’ of McCarthyism.
BF5 failed because of gameplay. Only nerds cared about the launch trailer and comments made from dice
Well...
EA: "Don't like it? Don't buy it.
Gamers: "Okay..."
EA: *Surprised Pikachu Face*
EA: I can't believe you've done this.
EA: wait you're not supposed to do that
Xbox game pass: i.... Don't understand
Gamers: Bought it anyway (as usual)
As a Norwegian, I HATED how they replaced the real heroes of Norway with a young girl, and feel like my country's history was just ignored for a politically correct statement
Seriously. Who gives a shit if girls feel included in video games! Go men!!!
@@imorokr ??? That isn't what he was saying at all
Don't say politically correct statement when you there is nothing INCOREECT about
@@XxXIRoGuEIxX i know. I'm agreeing! I'm saying I recognize this Norwegian's feelings and saying girl's feelings suck and are dumb and just kinda icky nd shit. Always wanting to be included in fun shit, you know
@@imorokr go a bit lighter with the bait, you're pushing it too hard, exclamation marks also don't help.
And in the sad case you're not baiting then idk what to tell you.
“Right side of history” as he rewrites it to fit his narrative
What a lazy answer.
“Because you are a girl”
Dice could at least add a theatre where women were really out there.
BF1 did I right with the DLC.
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@@ensignd.crexote5350 Would've loved to play as the Soviets or any of the resistance groups such as the Polish or French where women actually fought on the front lines.
@@rejectedkermit1220 go play BF1.
That did not miss with that DLC I tell you.
Extraordinary
Can’t have wahmen in ma vidya games! Too unrealistic while I play ma totally real vidya game!
"If you don't like it, don't buy it" - The worst statement in gaming history. Done, for me. They're still recovering from that.
Are they tho?
Yup
@@Savenya_Amari yes they are. They burnt their loyal player base from before BFBC and grew through those games and stayed loyal through the joke that was BF4 and who supported it with the CTE to fix it and premium to pay for it. Why do you think they made 2042 now after all this “woke” bullshit when people have been asking for it since BF4?
I think their troubles with the community truly started with Star Wars battlefront. It's a shame that they also failed that launch because Star wars battlefront 2 is an amazing game in its current state.
It's true though
“The right side of history” will forever be one of the most self-righteous lines in history
It's not even an appeal to morality. Everyone knows that the victor writes history. They think they're going to "conquer" their opponents, not win it through a morally superior position.
@@diogenes8272 history is written by the historian, which can be the victor, loser or neutral, although I agree that they are just stupid for saying that.
@@nikolairostov3326 but no one is going to believe the historian who lost.
@@ajb6359 German WW2 history is written by losers, it’s believed by most, it is incorrect and biased.
@@nikolairostov3326 Yeah, no it's really not. German WW2 history is written by a collection of Americans, British and Soviets, aka the victors of WW2. Just like all wars since forever, the history that is accepted is the one that fits the victor's narrative, for an entire plethora of reasons. You're not going to sail very far as an academic if you don't take curriculum at face value, similarly you're not going to sell many books either.
"Battlefield V had the worst launch ever"
Battlefield 2042: They never expected me coming
lol
Yep
Well, at least the controversies with BF2042 were strictly gameplay related, not this dumb shit
@@lemomannmusicproductions4074 the gameplay is all that matters to me, BFV had and still has better gameplay than 2042 since day 1
@@eddielombera5862 bf5 balancing and post launch support was abysmal. 2042 will be the better game
They were more interested in social politics than making a decent game.
What they did was they added women to the game. And some other ethnicities.
Battlefield has never been about historical accuracy, it's about big explosions and killing damn near everyone you can, who the fuck cares if there's a woman in it? Like, seriously? You all passed up a potentially amazing experience because someone had a vagina? Gamers, man. Wild.
@@ijnyamato643 .
How about people weren't the slightest bit interested in social politics.
And told them to shove it up their arse and kept their money instead.
@@ijnyamato643 i very much so agree it was a fun game, i have every gun and many hours in it, however i also respect history and when dice just told us to not buy it it was just another just kick in the balls
@@ijnyamato643 If a Developer made a game about the American Revolution, you would probably buy it if they slapped a vagina on George Washington. The Indoctrinated, man. Wild.
Social politics I don't agree with*
4:46 its sad that actual BF staff members don't understand the difference between authenticity and realism
Do you care to explain? Games SHOULD prioritize fun over realism. Game like MW could be the most realistic shooter ever, but it doesn’t matter, because the gameplay is straight trash
@@howdoichangemyusername9802 you’ve misunderstood my comment. I’m pointing out how the staff are confusing authenticity with realism. The gameplay has never been realistic but the setting should feel authentic which BFV completely missed out on.
MW is a good example of an authentic feel/setting despite arcade gameplay.
@@CalDal_22 but MW has anime skins and pink tracers. You wouldn’t call that authentic.
@@howdoichangemyusername9802 thats months after release I haven't played it in a long time, but the base game and single player was.
@@CalDal_22 I don’t know why people make such a big deal over accuracy anyway. No one that actually enjoys games cares. If you want accuracy watch a documentary. Games are made for fun, not realism.
That along with "if you dont like it dont buy it" fast forward months later Patrick is leaving "Today we are announcing that Patrick Söderlund has made the decision to move on from EA" --- Aka he was fired.
yea when 1 guy makes a statement that makes the stock market drop your companies stock 13+% in ONE day ... your career is over.
Good. He legit pissed me off, it's one thing to want to test shit out, I don't blame them, but then "don't like it, don't buy it" or that disaster of a press conference they held afterwards making fun of the community. It was such a fuckup I'm glad he's gone, you have to be really stupid to not see what the community wants
Don't forget he also took a couple mill with him to resign as well.
Daughter: daddy why can't I play as a character that looks like me?
Dad: *looks at cyborg ninja daughter* i don't know Lisa....i don't know.
*Good Ending*
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well, she can play MGS:R
@@lemomannmusicproductions4074 lmao
Daughter: Daddy, I can't empathize with people that don't look like me, not even you, so put vagines like me in your game, because vagines are important!
Dad: Of course Lisa, everything for you my queen, you can have everything you want at any time, because it's all about you. *man I'm the best parent ever*
You can have a fun historically accurate game though. Call of duty world at war is accepted as one of the most realistic depictions of world war 2 in a video game from an aesthetic standpoint, and that game still has a cult following to this day. The idea that you need to sacrifice fun to have historical accuracy is nonsense. All you need to have a historically accurate game is correct character models and guns that resemble their real life counterparts in terms of looks and fire rates, along with some badass looking maps that suit the theme of the game
I agree, I would say that artistic direction is what makes a "realistic" WWII game, not gameplay, if a game is made to look like what we are used to see in other media depictions of WWII it will sound familiar to what we know/take as history, and as a consequence, look/feel realistic and historically accurate.
Truths has never been that spoken
@@FRGBlackBurn Exactly dude, people just defend these ww2 trash games by literally saying "Let alone, you don't respawn in real life too"
People seems to forgot what actually a good representation of a world war game was. Medal of honors, Battlefield 1942, Cod 1 to Cod waw literally is all the things you said. And if someone say this are old games by past gens so it doesn't apply to nowadays, well if they want a modern game with a good representation of a world war then just look at Battlefield 1, Hell let loose and etc.
People are so stupid nowadays
So true
Wow. That brings back memories...
"Which do you think is more important, writing about it"!
"No one will ever read this"!
Later scene
"Someone should read this...."
I have the same opinion for CoD: Vanguard as well, just make a game that is set in a Diesel Punk themed alternative timeline so you can put people of color, women, weird attachments and guns without people complaining.
That’s a good idea. I wouldn’t mind a CoD taking a page from Wolfenstein. They could also take some reference from Man in the High Castle. Go crazy with all kinds of wacky shit with a WW2 theme
Why'd you have to add people of color and woman.
@@sheeeeeesh3622 apparently all games nowadays have to fit these standards. It's just ridiculous.
I think they have done more wrong than right by having forced diversity, because more and more people have radicalised as a consequence. Where in the past, they wouldn't even have turned their heads.
@@dimeterchevaeros8480 Well I understand your point and you are correct, but at what point is it normal to see those characters in a game, and not see it as forced diversity. Well except the fact that BFV has women in the war, which makes absolutely no sense.
This comment is the same, word for word, to what I always say when talking about vanguard ( sorry for the shitty english i am spanish )
I cant understand how everyone at EA saw that trailer at went "Yes this looks good! This should be the reveal trailer for BFV"
I dont think that "everyone" wanted it, some of them might just didnt wanted to stop because... well being cancelled or something like that
@@laszlohrabovszky2489 yeah, they were probably scared of backlash at their company too, so they didn't speak up.
Because they thought it looked a bit like Fortnite and they thought they’d be able to sell lots of skins.
This was when Fortnite was making billions.
@@jackcole2628 BF1's trailer was universally loved why coudn't they just make something like that?
Not to mention, actual gameplay of BFV feels nothing like that so I don't understand why this trailer
Battlefield should look realistic but how you play the game is a different story. Battlefield 1 looked so realistic and epic but allowed you to have fun (with moments such as this portraited in the video) unless you feel like sitting in a trench for days is fun. So to sum up, I disagree with people who make comparisons regarding the game being market it as realistic but the gameplay has a lot more over the top action, because this franchise is about looking cool and epic while sticking with a realistic feeling as well as letting you play the game however you feel like.
You sum it up perfectly.
@@DriZzlingBeAr :)
Couldn't agree more
You right.. 80% of a war is boring af
It wasnt about realism it was about having that stupid narrative mocked by a CEO . All the people that cried about that guy bought cheats and 'got gud' at Warzone .
“Don’t like it, don’t buy it” and I’m still sticking with that for 2042.
I played battlefield since they released bf1942, and this had been the first I’ve never wanted anything to do with a battlefield title game. Let alone how EA is no longer a gamer based developing company, but a profit and political based company. Not a single person I’ve seen who represents that company looks or sounds like that play video games.
I actually met a guy playing battlefield 1 and he gave me a key for V, turns out he's a back-end developer at Dice and worked on V, when I asked him about the trailer and his opinion overall he admitted that putting women everywhere in the game was a massive mistake and the reveal trailer pissed a lot of people off in the dev team but they wouldn't dare speak out against the corporate political machine in place.
@@deluxgamer999 because the corporate machine do not play these games. At all. They browse Twitter and news networks on political problems that are happening and they tell the dev teams, “this is it”.
@@Barrett_z33 It all comes from modern western universities ultimately.
@@deluxgamer999 If they had simply let you play a woman in some historically representative campaign episode and added the option to play as a woman in the multiplayer (potentially only on maps where that happened).
And not lectured potential customers on historical accuracy (while disregarding it themselves) and insinuated the potential customers were bad people (while proving themselves to be).
The debacle might not have happened or at least been a lot smaller.
But noooo.... They had to shove women in and virtue signal about it.
Apparently you can only be good, if you simultaneously brag about how good you are.
You forgot to mention the several instances where DICE called basically everything criticism of the game racist.
6:25 you know, that so many viewers of you aren't subscribed dosen't have to be a bad thing. It also means that your content is very attractive to people that have never heard of you and just clicked on your video because it seemed interesting. Those people will subscibe if you manage to keep them interested with entertaining videos :)
Interesting point, thanks for that
@@diehardGG thats my case too you're doing a good job, keep it up!
@@diehardGG Hey man, I only recently got into Battlefield and found your channel. Subscribed immediately after 1 or 2 videos because I felt your videos were helpful and engaging. I'm glad I found your channel, can't wait for future videos!
@@diartay5374 Should have one ready for tomorrow!
@@diehardGG Damn man, I didn't realise you'd reply. I was more hoping you'd see the noti come through and appreciate it. Looking forward to the vid!
Battlefield V: I have the worst launch in Battlefield history
Battlefield 2042: *Hold My Beer*
The thing with all the "only in Battlefield" - moments is, players "abused" the game mechanics to come up with hillarious unexpected situations, not intended by the developers. The difference in content between the launch trailer and what came later, shows that Dice and EA are very well aware their politics hit a brick wall. I am looking forward to the reaction of all those who defended BFV when BF2042 launches and none of that garbage that weight BFV down is present... but I guess they will be noticably silent as to not draw too much attention to themselves.
Also I just subscripted. :D
Yeah I don't think there's anything really political about BF2042, but I have seen some people comment about why is it always the US vs Russia, and where's China, etc
@@diehardGG BFV wasn't even political. The choices they made were purely creative. They were trying to make something people haven't seen before. Hard to understand if you're not an artist.
@UCCDknjWPxj8NkdJc-WIlK4w Thats completely wrong, they literally said they were making it accurate but in World War 2 women weren’t on the front lines. Then the developers said they were going to be on the right side of history because they chose inclusivity over realism. Shoving modern values down someone’s throat isn’t unique or good, it’s just annoying. When a “realistic” ww2 game allows you to be a black female nazi there’s something wrong. Also the trailer is not realistic at all with a British woman with a prosthetic arm using a barbed wire cricket bat. Also you seem pretentious as fuck with that last thing about being an artist, shut the fuck up.
@@unrulymarine6769 Where did they say that then lol. You're choosing to perceive it as them "shoving modern values down your throat" when in reality, from their perspective, it was but a mere artistic choice that had the inherent benefit of representation. Your emotions are clouding your judgement lol. It's just a videogame. Battlefield has never been a truly realistic war game like ARMA or any assortment of indie milsim games. It's always existed within its own universe and has always played by it's own rules. And how is that pretentious LOL. Developers are artists, and they have the right to make what they desire to make because they're the ones actually putting in the work to make it, not you. If you don't like it, don't buy it and stop hating. Stop being a selfish, entitled American consumer. They're not robots that solely exist to serve you, they're people with their own perspective, ideas, desires and beliefs too.
@@avteur Lol... "hard to understand if you're not an artist." And I guess you are an artist. Why? Because of the videos you make? I draw and I also used to make good money with it, but I wouldn't call myself an artist just because of that.
"something ppl haven't seen before"... What exactly would that be? Honestly, explain that to me. And don't try "aww you wouldn't understand" because that would show that you yourself don't know.
Game developers make games for money. Sorry if you truly believe otherwise. If they were so convinced of what they believe, why change that with the next game? Why not double down and show all those haters how awesome their believes and convictions are, like a true "avant garde" and "je ne sais quoi" - artist who gives a damn about other ppls opinions? The gaming industry is well past the time of just being a place for creative dreamers. In fact those with passion and creativity are being worked like slaves and end up quitting totally exhausted. Look at EA, Activision Blizzard, CD Project and even Paradox... they are all accused of mistreating their employees. Its the shareholders and CEOs who are calling the shots. And they definitely HATE it when games don't sell. They don't give a rats ass about "creative decisions". And that's the reason why BF2042 has nothing in it that could jeapordize the game's success. DICE is one misstep away from being closed down because of BFV. Don't believe it? Check out all the other actually good development teams that were closed down by EA just because of ONE failure. It's not about making a lot of money nowadays... it's about ALWAYS making ALL the money. You don't like it? Don't buy their games.
I sure do hope that DICE have learnt their lesson and make the new Battlefield 2042 historically accurate.
Ah ah ah! Good one! 2042...historically accurate...in 2021. Ah, ah , ah! Very good Sir!
This is a joke right?
You mean "futuristically accurate" ??
Yeah, DICE have a fucking time machine to know how things are in the year of 2042.
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1) the re-wrote the story of a true hero to make him female... Just write a new story! Don't dishonor a hero
2) they told me if I didn't like it not to buy the game.
I think the part about depicting women in ww2 games is one part that Call of Duty Vanguard is doing right, for now. ( Im not an English speaker.)
Your English was great
@@diehardGG thank you man. Love youre videos. I mainly speak Afrikaans( South Africa ) and Im not really the best at english, but I do appreciate youre kindness.
@@hanubrandt4359 I’ve heard native English speakers that aren’t as good as you
Its not even accurate on vanguard
@@AB-fr2ei but better than BFV.
That is one of the most factual and accurate video I have seen on this battlefield 5 controversy, props to you man. You have earned my sub.....
I’m actually surprised someone covered this without the whole “they hate women” bull crap.
@@Alecxace yeah, that was really disappointing to watch as it unfolded....
@@Alecxace I mean, this was also in the wake of things like Gamergate. While "they hate woman" certainly isn't the full story, claiming it didn't play a substantial part is idiotic.
@@swapode gamergate was 2014-2015, this game launched in 2018. The people that buy Battlefield did not give a shit and still don't give a shit. the horrible trailer (with arguments against the prosthetic arm lady) and the absolutely horrid response to fans led to the sales bombing in the first few months and the game going on sale.
I'd argue telling the core audience "if you don't like it, don't buy it", "get educated" did far more damage. It also doesn't help that DICE/EA has serious issues when launching a new title.
Also, notice no-one cares that women or non-binary persons are in BF2042. The major issue even there is that the launch is once again a disaster.
@Alecxace Ah yes, let's pretend that EA's (admittedly poor) take wasn't a direct response to tens of thousands of misogynistic comments.
And let's pretend that the wave GamerGate brought to light just disappeared in 2015 and isn't an ongoing thing. While we're at it, we can also pretend like GamerGate was about ethics in gaming journalism.
If we pretend enough it certainly will become a worthy cause.
As a norwegian who has watch the the nrk series «battle of the heavy water» and I actually knows quit a lot about the whole opperation. It really pissed me of to se how they made the story, I mean it would not have been so difficult to switch to a guy, + four more, and make the whole story a stealth operation, then it would have been much closer to the right story
Yeah I heard quite a few norwegian people were upset by that mission. The real story is super interesting too
I feel Ike although most criticisms were valid, the whole right side of history thing was weird. That phrase has nothing to do with historical accuracy.
Right?! I feel like many have the comprehension of a 5 year old
I can't believe one man, was able to destroy a Battlefield game and its launch. Why did no one say the trailer was dumb or stop him from speaking or using reddit at the office. It honestly feels like a bad Saturday Night Live skit.
Since you've been asking for feedback, here's my opinion. I first started following you when you were doing mostly Rogue. I've enjoyed mostly all of your RC content - BP previews, news/updates/patch info, live commentaries - they've all been good, so keep those up, not just for Rogue, but other games as well. As you've branched out into other games, I've continued to watch as long as the game is interesting to me (which I know is a really loose metric, lol). I don't play Apex, so I don't really watch those. I plan on playing BF 2042 and Halo, so I've watched those. All in all, I'd say keep doing what you're doing. I still enjoy your Rogue stuff the most, but I'm also enjoying the way you're covering BF, this video included.
To be honest it would had been better if they used D-day as the reveal trailer instead of the fictional twisted steel map.
After putting an extensive amount of time into BF5, I have to say: it's not bad.
Certainly, the overabundance of goofy cosmetics irks me (though I do like the fact that you can choose to garner more historically authentic attire like PBI and Feldgrau), and the game can be absolute bullshit at times, I still find myself playing.
The cosmetics irk the shit out of me too, it makes me put the game down sometimes
The thing is the cosmetics don't really bother me unless I get killed by someone running a legendary skin in the wrong front ex: The German legendary skin with the white mask on a Pacific War map it just kinda takes me out of it. Other than that the game is decent & the gunplay is addictive, don't really side with the people who say the game is absolute dogshit because that's an overexaggeration imo.
@@IamtheDesperado the japanese elite skins are cool for me, but that grandpa with blue cape, or the guy that looks like he is a part of biker gangs really make me feel weird
@@lel9422 I like the American paratrooper elite skin too
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The social justice cause in the game's design was never bothering to any sensible and comprehensive person.
The real flaw in this chapter was introducing a WW2 shooter video game piece whose presentation was colorful, nonsensical, sci-fi, over the top and far-fetched, showing characters meant to represent soldiers yet wearing blue face paint and a jacket and carrying a piece of wood in their hand, instead of the uniform, weapons, scenery and art style everyone would wish for and expect in a military setting based product.
I'm not so sure that not wanting political statements in your escapism pieces would be considered being non-sensible. Video games, at their core, are an escape, and MANY people don't appreciate modern politics to be shoe-horned into their escapes. One of the purposes of an escape piece is to not think about nor worry about current politics and social issues. Especially if the game itself is outright not about modern issues. No one buys a WWII game and expects to have modern politics thrown into it, which they CLEARLY did, that isn't debatable. He even stated as such, that doing this would "be a fight", as in fighting the audience that he knew he would upset by shoe-horning in his personal politics and beliefs.
Do not call those who want proper escapes non-sensible, that is very sensible, and realistic. What you just said is identical to what the ex-EA Chief Creative Officer said. He called those who are upset "uneducated", and you call them "not sensible". Good thing you aren't in a high position like his, you'd get fired just like him lmao.
It puzzled me because all they had to do was make a character creation feature. Let people pick there race and gender on multiplayer. Best solution to the problem was not to side with anyone and compromise
That was how they did it from the very beginning. Have you even played the fucking game? The compromise is admitting that it’s not historically accurate but allowing you to do that.
@@zqplyn-r6648 it does not matter if it is historical accurate because it is a video game you should read a book not play a video game if you want to learn about history
@@Vastilious the problem was that the developers double downed on it being historically accurate. They could have admitted it was for the sake of diversity and customization, but they claimed it was completely accurate.
@@zqplyn-r6648 do you really need to be this upset over them thinking that it is historically accurate?
@@Zen-rw2fz Yes because it is disrespectful to the people who fought and died in WW2 and people creating popular media set in the conflict should at the very least admit the inclusivity isn’t historically instead of doubling down and rewriting history.
'War In The Pacific' was such a damn good trailer, on par with BF1's cinematic trailers
Such a shame
What I hate the most, and what their doing in bf2042, is the player skins, and unique characters.
It's a game about the military and war. I hate the focus on individuality
Wow. Just wow. This video nailed it. I hated the historical inaccuracy of women in bf5. I don't have a problem with women in games and I'm not sexist or " uneducated " I loved what you did with this video showing women pilots , snipers , and the commandos. Well done. I wish battlefield 5 listened and put women snipers in the game and pilots. Even go as far as to tell their story. That's what we want. Thank you for this video. This meant a lot.
Yes yes 👍👍
So women should have only been in the game as snipers only and pilots?
@@brutuslugo3969 No. I meant women should be in the combat roles they were in during the war. Resistance fighters were women too. I would love to see that as well.
@@CyanTygerTTV Why should they be limited to that when its a game?
@@sagephil because of historical accuracy
Should have left WW2 to Medal of Honor.
When BFV conflict spark among community, every beautiful memories I had with battlefield 3 and 4 all of sudden shattered into pieces. I never imagine the day battlefield community where we used to make goofy stuff about battlefield and have a good laugh after tired from school and all the excitement was left from my heart, it so painful to see the community who I adore so much just like my own family will be like this.
So DICE, thank you for not repeating the same mistake as previous one, and I'm really hope you will not destroy the community and spark civil war among community again.
Now that you mention this, it did shattered my memories as well. This was around 5 years after joining BF community and i still remember i was having fun. Heck, even BF1 gave me a lot of memories.
Ever since BFV, it just gone or at least feels like gone. I just don't have any memorable moments in post-BFV. I just hope BF2042 will come back we all love and move on from it.
I don’t even think it’s a civil war or things, Dice and EA just started to stray from what made battlefield Battlefield. I couldn’t even put 100 hour into BF1, it left a bad taste in my mouth, but I’m still playing BF4 to this day making amazing memories and having fun.
I feel the biggest mistake they made was server hosting, server administration, and Battlelog going away. The social aspects of the game in the past created communities that let players play their way, and ever since BF1 it’s just not been remotely close to what we had in all the previous games. Clans, competitive, pistols only, tons of fun stuff. I don’t even know if they have that in BF1 or BFV, I never cared to check after I played BF1 at launch and saw BFV was just a BF1 reskin for WW2 without the 1942 cool bits.
Basically I feel dice removed the battlefield from Battlefield, they removed the sandbox fun, cut game communities out, went with historical era stuff when they did way better with modern, did it twice in a row, and then got controversial.
I pray BF2042 picks up where BF4 left off, with gameplay that keeps me coming back without worrying about content. BF1 and BFV needed “content” as a crutch, many of us still play BF4 original maps to this day for thousands of hours, it’s not a lack of content, it’s a lack of a good game period.
This… didn’t age well…
Yikes
@@MozambiqueEnjoyer6097 Yeah i remember it was quite bad when it came out.
Most people got caught up in all this controversy and ignored what was really important, is the game actually good?. To this day I still adore bf5, not because of its message but because of the insane fun and chaos of the game
Absolutely nailed it, a really great break down and flowing video that doesn't bog down in opinions.
Recently subbed after seeing your vid on Reddit and loving what I've seen so far
Glad you enjoyed it!
I’m sorry that only 3%are subbed
man, seems u put a lot of effort into the vid. I’ll sub
This is genuinely a good channel, deserves more subs, it'll get there for sure though
Appreciate that, Ketchup Dispenser
EA: Fun over realism
BFV: You don't have infinite ammo in vehicles and need to keep going back to refill ammo
Omg so fun
Liked. Subscribed.
You have a great voice for presenting, and you put this story together in context while also educating your audience on historical facts.
It's a shame they marketed this game the way they did. In its current state, as you mentioned, Battlefield 5 is a really fun game. They really dropped the ball with the release of this one. It could have been one of the greatest battlefields, and arguably, maybe it still is one of their best. Too bad a lot of their fans were turned away from the get-go and will never find out.
Your videos are not crap. I subscribed. Keep going homie! :)
💯 More coming
I absolutely love BFV, the kill feed is so satisfying, the maps are decently interesting and the game looks amazing.
The best gunplay of all time!
I blame the community for the toxic vibe around the game.
I just played 4 days of BF2042 beta, BF5 looks like a masterpiece..
a shame the reveal trailer (rightly) turned everyone off
@@JOE_XD nothing wrong with people who like and play it, but if I, a history nerd, see a game that is supposedly about ww2, then I will expect a game with some realism about ww2
Games would be bad if they had 100% realism, there would be no fun in playing something like that, but at the same time that also doesn't mean that realism should be thrown out of the window. That's basically what bf5 did... Bf1 is an example to follow. The amount of realism that they put into it is in harmony with the player being able to have fun. That's why people like me loved it
@@joaomarcelo7708 Get over it!
@@joaomarcelo7708 There was a bad ''buzz'' around BF5, that's it...
“Right side of history” places people critical of BF5 in the same category as nazis and slave owners. I was told if I “can’t accept it” then I shouldn’t buy BF5 and so I never did.
Bro, where did you get your background music? Great work crafting this video. Keep up the good work.
I love watching your videos. Thanks to help me understanding a bit more why BF5 was so bad.
Thanks, and you're welcome 👍
I was in a BF clan with hundreds of members starting with BF4's launch and everyone I know noped out of BFV after being disappointed with the BF1 setting/period and having lost all patience when BFV also went back to a very similar well. Never heard anyone mention any of this controversy. I never expected any kind of historical accuracy from BF... Always been an over the top sandbox (which is probably why there's a lot of skepticism over the motives of the critics).
Yup this video nailed it on the head really hard. Thankfully In a post Soderlund world, 2042 looks like they've learned their lesson this time around.
But I was apart of that initial reveal stream. They splashed words like "the most immersive and authentic battlefield yet" during the live stream all the way up until Trevor Noah showed up, and then I'm pretty sure the DICE employees sitting on the couch said it one more time before the reveal trailer played.
Because yeah, if they wanted all this crazy nonsense that's totally fine, Alt-History in video games has been around since the creation of games with a story and proper setting, follow Wolfensteins example if one must. Otherwise if they really wanted to push for the kind of content they wanted to push, choosing a "authentic" WW2 setting was just really silly, when you could have either gone alt-history as mentioned before, or y'know, bite off the heel of 2142 and do something semi futuristic and unmarked by historical context 🤷♂️ it really didn't take a brain surgeon to think that one through, and then failed to read the room lol
Hey, I subscribed. I played BF2 and 2142 a ton when I was a teenager and I'm jumping back in with 2042, a game I've wanted since back then (near-future BF), and I didn't know all of this stuff since I skipped BF1 and 5, so having it compacted in a small 7 minute video was a really interesting watch. I'll keep an eye on your 2042 content too!
Hey diehardGG - I subbed before finishing ONE video of yours. Just wanted you to be aware. Thanks for the time and effort that you put into your content!
0:28 I actually support this. I understand that battlefield 5 is very far behind other games in the series but in its current state it's actually a decent game. It's in no way the best game in the series but I think people should look at what it is now as a game when they judge it instead of looking to its many controversies over its life cycle to make a final opinion.
Nope, fuck that SJW shit.
It has slowly become a standard for every single game and I don't support it in any way. They'll just have to do without my money then. Fortunately there are still Japanese developers...
yeah, bought it on sale a week ago it's a fun game doesn'y have some things which were in bf1 like bayonet charge or horses but it's still a fun game the only real problem i had was that there isn't any russian faction or ussr faction, would've love to play as the reds.
@@nimanp-cy4rh it does have bayonet charge
@@yngwok2839 well then i didn'tpay enough attention.
Battlefield lost my interest the second it threw immersion out the window in favor of whatever outside factor they felt like propping up. DICE nailed the "Realistic enough to not be disrespectful but fun enough to not be boring" nail right on the head until BFV, why they felt the need to change the identity of the franchise to something more clean and sanitized beyond belief is beyond me.
Subbed, awesome vid bra, you're gonna make it.
I never knew how to put into words why I didn't like BFV, finally after years I found what my response would have been, is all about bringing those stories that don't have much recognition into everyone so they can learn something and be thankful for the sacrifices of those who have fight and died not inventing them or changing them because you fear that your game will be criticized for not having this or that.
Why can’t there be both. Historically accurate and a fun game. Everyone in the comments are saying one or the other. It doesn’t have to be a side to pick. You can be accurate and make a fun game. It’s been done before. We have the technology
They goal should be aesthetics (how the game looks and sounds) are as realistic as possible, while the gameplay can take serious liberties with realism. That was the formula from Battlefield 1942 - Battlefield 1 (with small annoying exceptions like Battlefield 4 allowing you to put Pinkie Pie on your parachute or the black German Scout in Battlefield 1), and its what works best.
I should add I mean "small" in the scope of the series. Battlefield 4 really, really annoyed me with how goofy it could become due to the customizable camo and emblems everywhere. Battlefield 1 still had those things, but the default was always something realistic.
I think that EA should always try implement a perfect balance with battlefield games that is between playing as whoever want but also feeling like you are part of something bigger. As soon as you make characters too unique or, on the contrary, too structured, you either begin to play like you are superior to every other player or get bored because there is no individuality.
You make some REALLY awesome videos man. Sorry I didn't sub before now, because you definitely deserve it. Keep cranking out awesome content!
Thanks!
Great video man!
This would have never happenned if they added a Russian or polish or french female fighter WITH prostetics.
It would not be unrealistic bc all those countries had large amount of female fighters.
The prostetics would also be realistic bc unlike the US and britain, if you were disabled, you didnt get to go home like in the us/british army.
If you were a french/polish resistance fighter, or a russian regular, the odds that disabled people had to keep fighting were much greater.
But you cant have a female lead in battlefield, bc the current status quo says that russians are our enemies! And the hipocrites at battlefield chose the wrong side of history, which is the side that labels russians as the enemy rather than as human beings.
So somewhere in the world a little russian girl is crying as she asks her dad "why does american media paint us as the baddies?"
1:59 Funny thing about him saying that, not only was he given heaploads of shite for that statement by the internet, CZcams channels and media outlets, he was fired from DICE like a year later, so I think his higher-ups disagreed with him on that.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against womens rights and equality etcetera, etcetera. but the thing is, the time period the game is set in, and the parts of the world where it is set means that female soldiers (on the front lines at least) were virtually inexistent. 640,000 women in Auxiliary roles in a force comprising of 3 million active servicemen on top of that from Britain alone. In the Russian and Finnish armies, and later, Germany as well, it makes sense because that's fact that women served in combat on those fronts. And don't even get me started on that stupid mechanical arm, she'd have been discharged for being unfit for service with that damn thing.
You need to be finally able to play as Germans in the campaigns. Last Tiger was a good start.
Yes. The Germans need more humanization.
What pissed me off was not that the game was made, but how much of the establishment claimed people who didn't like it were sexist. That's a charge so absurd even they can't truly believe it. It would be like saying people who were irked by Altair's accent in Assassin's Creed were anti-American.
Speaking of anti-American, where was voice customization? If we're supposed to be characters that represent us, why can't I play as a German who speaks English with an American accent? (actually this essentially was an option in Battlefield 2, it was called "English VO only", but only you could hear it and most people avoided it)
the guy who F'ed up has been sacked. as far as I'm concerned they have done a 180 as far as listening to the fans and really pushing fan service. 2042 looks like a "we are sorry, please come back" from my point of view. I also loved the beta cause i really miss The Battlefield
i actually liked bfv and most of the complaints that people had from that trailer was irrelevant when the game came out the game had actually other problems with content being to thin but the biggest problem was dice changing the entire gun play when the gun play was really good already
i actually did like the setting of bfv of this time where it was a very dark time for the allies in the war and the British was thinking they were loosing the war
Agreed
Main problem with me was then
Changing the TTK after that it just didn’t feel right
I didn’t even bother buying it, I disliked BF1, battlefront was a flop, and overall the gameplay itself along with the drama just made me say no. Still playing BF4 to this day and have no desire to touch V.
@@ApolloTheDerg battlefront didn't flop launch yes but over 2 years of support it was getting shit ton of good content it was getting alot of people to play the game until at April of 2020 they stop supporting it cas they took the team to make the new battlefield
@@stiffplaysgames9999 You say that but it strayed from so many of its original aspects many of us including me didn’t give it a chance, it’s dead basically. The OG Battlefronts where closer to battlefield than the new ones made by Dice are, and that’s probably the biggest boner killer to me. Maybe it’s “good” now, I didn’t have a good taste in my mouth with the last one and I have little reason to buy it now. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Does anyone know the name of the film that is shown when talking about the heavy water factory raid, I've seen heroes of telemark but that one looked way more modern
This is BF V:
Squad leader: Everyone, attack that hill!
Medic: Sorry sarge, I can't. I have my daily order to build a snowman.
Sniper: Sorry. I was ordered to sit in a motorcycle for 5 mins. They promised 100 coins for it to by some new boots.
Support: Sorry. I have to carry 3 sandbags and after that I have to find any random transport vehicle and fix it. I probably need to break it first though.
Assault: Yes, sir! But can we do it by crawling? I was ordered to attack 5 persons with knife only while crawling.
is it me or doesn't the community understand what that guy meant with “The right side of history”. He wasnt talking about the past, but the present. He is talking about feminism and representing women in media. Well either way, he deserved that shit storm
It took me 2 years to buy battlefield 5. I was hooked to battlefield 1 and felt battlefield 5 was going to be a flop. 2 years after the release I bought it with all dlc on a discount bundle and I've been enjoying the game many hours. Liking the game more than battlefield 1. I think the launch was rough but they managed to fix the game and make one really fun and entertaining. I hope they fix battlefield 2042 soon. And make it at least playable cause some bugs really break the game. But I'm hopeful
Every battle field game is buggy at launch it will get patched
I prefer Battlefield 1's campaign though. It was something different, and a hell of a lot of fun to play. I greatly appreciate the amount of love put into them. But for Battlefield 5... yeah. It took forever for me to beat that dumb chapter on Norway. It was just so fucking boring! Thank God multiplayer kinda saved it
I still feel like Dice could kinda save bf2042 in the coming future, i mean let's take bf4 for example.
As long as they change the core gameplay and add new free maps with better core gameplay or just add complete customization with portal, like leaving the map designing and stuff to the community in portal could like save the game...
I mean stuff like SAMP, GTA RP tends to last alot longer than original game, They'll still earn, while we get all the tools to try out stuff like milsims, arcade matches, core bf gameplay etc.
"Fun over authentic" doesn't really hold water since many players get fun from the immersion itself. If the immersion is ruined it's neither fun nor authentic.
Great video!
This was a nice neutral point of view, thank you. I never purchased a Battlefield game before but always admired BF4. Whenever I saw trailers to BF V I always were confused the way they went with it
"The worst launch of Battlefield" ohooo boy do I have a game to tell you about
I want to clarify - I'm enjoying Bf 2042... and I won't pre-order next time... however, I'm hoping to almighty Cthulhu that they fix it fast fast fast in a hundred ways.
Edit: Oh, you already have a vid on it. Great vid (and this one!)
Haha thanks
What’s the music playing in the background?
very professional and open minded. i like that i found a youtuber with maturity and not an overly aggressive personality.
I'm a woman and a feminist, and I thought that reveal trailer was pretty fucking stupid. There are so many authentic stories to tell of women fighting in wars throughout history, they could have told any number of those. I agree with the original statement about his daughter, and I think it was in good faith, but if you are doing a historical game, then you should be doing historical women, not weird fake made up ones that take away from the accomplishments of other men and women who sacrificed their bodies and souls to fight that war. It is not mutually exclusive to include female characters so that women don't feel excluded from feeling like they can play something that better represents themselves, and being historically accurate. Most of the attitudes by the execs and such surrounding the situation were just piss poor too.
No it was not good faith, it was him pandering and pushing an agenda. At the time of him telling that story about his daughter she was an infant and also even if she was around the age of playing video games what is he doing letting a minor play an M rated game?
i respect feminists like this
@@IllJoy Good point.
Nobody cares what you are or what you think after starting your comment like that , stop craving attention ....its pathetic
@@krismcstay1325 Okay?
Honestly calling it an alternative reality spin off should have been better. It's not the first time battlefield has been bonkers.
I really hated the story about the heavy water factory. Mostly because I read a book about it. Sabotage: The mission to destroy Hitlers Atomic Bomb. It’s a disrespect to the men who went through hell and back to complete the mission.
This video made me sub to you, thank you for understanding our problems with it.
What annoy me is that the upcoming COD Vanguard butchered the history just like BFV maybe even worse, and yet the media never spoke of it. This is just not fair at all.
Well everyone expects cod games to suck since their yearly releases. With bf its different
it is because bf has high expectancies while cod has none
Battlefield V compared to 2042 is a top tier game ngl.
Just subbed, hopefully it's 4% now
it's actually down to like 2.4% lol
This is the first video I've seen from your channel, and I can say with confidence: your videos are not crap, my good sir.
😄 thanks man
The ending made me sad. Your videos are fantastic. Don't let the numbers get you down. I know it's cliche, but asking people to like and subscribe at the beginning of the video does help.
BFV's pacific DLC was a whole different game. Never had so much fun since In the name of the Tsar in bf1. I felt like i was on Iwo Jima and a pacific island. It was soo good until they messed with all the weapons' ttk and turned them into peashooters at range
Anyone who says they are on the “right side of history” is often on the wrong side.
Worst part about it is that bf5 had so much potential, but they never put in the effort like they did with bf1. We got a lack luster Pacific theater and useless cosmetic items.
0:48 Don't worry! CZcams *removed the dislike counter now,* so we won't have to worry about that anymore.
BFV could have been one of the best BF games (or at least a LOT better) if they just stuck to the atmosphere and style of BF1 but still had the BFV gunplay, engine, basic mechanics, movement etc
Awesome video by the way great job 👏
Glad you enjoyed it!
And because of this, we probably won't ever see another ww2 game from DICE which is kind of sad. I did enjoy BFV from launch until they stopped supporting because I just love ww2 games. And it's even sadder now that they cancelled updating the game to focus on 2042 only for it to flop on launch as well. I don't think they will ever learn how to properly launch a game until the franchise burns out the players with these messy launches
Honestly, people that actually played BFV disliked/hated it less for this, and more for controversial gameplay changes, like bad visibility, spotty balancing, all the TTK shenanigans, and so on.
I like this that capitalism kinda work. CCO said something stupid -> can't sale game -> get fire -> hire someone competent and so, now we get BF2042. the biggest talk in the gaming world now(and probably the best battlefield).
3:37 movie?
Telling your customers to not buy your product is probably the clearest statement your customers could get.
I always love you Battle field videos
I've got more on the way 🤙
WWII has so much rich history and amazing men and women in it, I am confused how none of it was good enough to be put in the spotlight of BF5. Instead we saw EA catering to misandrists on twitter and people obsessed with identity politics.
What film was that footage from?
Just watch documentary on WW2, how insane the soldier has it at the front, the hell they went through, so at the very least you can do is RESPECT the history, not bastardize it for political agenda, I have zero problem with women in WW2, BUT it has to be at the very least tasteful in doing it, for example the resistance had some incredible women fighters, the red army had the lady death, there has to be a respect in the art that you created both to yourself and to the stuff or people you are depicting
Look I can't explain this with word, but seeing the hell they went through in WW2 in a documentary, the passion and the heartbreaking sound of the veteran that told his ww2 story, it's heartbreaking, and then now we got some "progressive" wannabe people telling people how right they are for political agenda, it's disgusting, all we want is a respect in the way they show the WW2, it's to honor the fallen, and the heroes in WW2, gameplay wise it can be as ridiculous and as fun as possible, but for story and the image, be respectful
It's an arcady game, were we revel and celebrate in a setting that haunted millions of people. there is no respect here no matter how 'realistic' you make it.
@@Zen-rw2fz "It's an arcady game, were we revel and celebrate in a setting that haunted millions of people. there is no respect here no matter how 'realistic' you make it."
So there wasn't any reason why Hitler wasn't a jewish black gay woman and we fought the war to save the heterosexuals from extermination in gas chambers with orbital lasers and giant mechs fighting giant monsters?
Man, that would have been a diverse fun over realism game if ever we saw one right?
I guess BFV does deserve a 1/10 score, because of what could have been... if it weren't for those damn sexist, racists, x'phobes... who will just buy any game they get served up regardless of how unimaginative it is.