Foster Father/Daughter Conspiracy? | Sabrina Zunich Case Analysis
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- čas přidán 6. 06. 2022
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Sabrina Zunich?
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I hope I never end up as a story being analyzed on Dr. Grande's channel
Don’t worry - I think he would just speculate on what could be happening in a case like yours☺️
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amen to that.
@@kristiinakapinen2071 lmao
Deeply bothersome. The girl was responsible for her actions of course but it takes a special breed of awful to exploit the underdeveloped moral foundation of such a troubled child. This kind of insidious harm is pervasive and unyielding because it turns the abused into an abuser. I’ve had students whose parents forced them to mistreat siblings for their amusement. Those kids’ identities were branded as “damaged and filthy” so they engaged in self-harm and attempted suicide because they saw no other way to escape their self-hatred. Thank you, Dr. G.- a disturbing reminder that evil exists in many forms. 💔
Anna - do you think he wrapped up the case against the husband too fast?
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WAS SHE entirely responsible??? Wow talk about zero empathy for a discarded and abused teenager. "The girl" has a name; Sabrina. These issues have to be dealt with in a way that we see WHY they happen and deal with all of these aberrant behaviors.
@@cjjohnson9413 YEP.
@@zenamen5221 Yes, in a relationship such as a foster father and daughter, the father has the power, can we really expect Sabrina to know what is appropriate behaviour when her foster father treats her like this?
My friend from Ohio called this "the most Ohio case ever: the people involved seemed perfectly normal, but their life was weird and all messed up just beneath the surface."
That's it, I'm moving to Ohio
I second that.. im ohioan lol
Yeah pretty much, also from Ohio, born and raised. Shit is fucking whack out here. Its the midwest on crack.
I can confirm that this is the most Ohio case ever. Source: I'm from/live in Ohio.
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She stabbed her 178 times. I often wonder how medical examiners maintain their sanity.
Dark humour, strong support network and healthy habits helps to cope i suppose.
Or they are insane to begin with :).
and the first responders. I saw on another channel that she got stabbed in the eye and the knife was sticking out of her eye when she was found. :(
A lot of them are addicted to alcohol and/or pills. Some are creepy weirdos to begin with and intentionally seek out that sort of position.
@@conclavecabal.h0rriphic well if they still do a good job with giving good results I think they have earned the fight for us to look the other way while they pop pill or take a swig or do umm stuff with bodies someone’s gotta do it .
Now just imagine morticians
I’m about one minute in and I’m already so glad I’m single for life, no kids, and loving it. People are impossible.
Agree with you
If only more people would realize they aren’t equipped to parent.
This case is beyond heinous - 178 stabs! Kevin’s manipulation was also unparalleled, he should have known better. Unfortunately, it appears that Sabrina’s life has been a sequence of adversities from the moment she was born, one after another leading to a tragic outcome. Even still, she committed an awful crime and should face the consequences of her actions. On the other hand, Lisa was betrayed in the most horrific manner. Really sad case.
Great analysis Dr. Grande, thank you.❤️
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Great comment. The two daughters, left with no mother or father. The older daughter who called 911 will be haunted by that night, forever. Imagine seeing something so horrific happen to you mother? I hope they have a good support system, now. Sounds like Kevin just wanted Lisa out of the way, and manipulated Sabrina. Sad case. :(
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@@LDiamondz It’s really a very sad case and those girls, poor things. Heartbreaking 💔
Have you ever noticed how many of these cases seem to involve ultra-convenient conviction avoiding memory loss? I think it might be contagious.
Accountability is a spooky ghost.
@Blue Dragon
“ultra-convenient conviction *avoidance* memory loss”
Your use of “avoiding” made the phrase quite confusing, & it wasn’t until Dr. Grande said it himself that I understood what it meant. “Avoiding” makes it sound like the “conviction” is actively avoiding memory loss. Instead it should be written as “ultra-convenient conviction-avoidance memory loss.” The dashes to combine the words make all the difference.
I live in NE Ohio, and remember this case...so tragic...178 times with twists, at times...insurance money...flying lessons...two innocent girls involved...brain washing... inappropriate jokes...underwear for Kevin Love...no prayers for his wife...this rocked the community...very factual by Dr Grande...
Do you think he’s guilty beyond reasonable doubt?
@@zachmahomes3517 I think he's sick beyond any reasonable doubt.
@@zachmahomes3517 I think Sabrina is a nut ball beyond a reasonable doubt. I think the prosecutor got a conviction on a case that shouldn't have been brought. Lack of evidence, bad witness. Very thin case. Screwing a foster child is a little sketchy. But not enough for 30 years penalty.
The burden of proof and evidence to charge and convict for conspiracy to commit murder BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT is on vacation ON DATELINE NBC.
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I've heard the 911 call from the daughter as her step-sister is attacking her mother & it is gut-wrenching... she's incredibly brave. And while Sabrina's actions were monstrous, I think Kevin is the true monster for taking advantage of his own foster daughter & turning her into a killer. A tragedy on so many levels.
I don’t think it’s fair to say that her grandmother “grew tired” of caring for her. She probably just couldn’t cope any longer.
agreed, she fought and stole from her.
I think growing tired can mean something for different people. If you werent that motivated to begin with growing tired can be a frivolous thing. But if you really were commited from the outset, then growing so tired you quit can be a big deal indeed. Therefore I don't think Dr Grande was necessarily wrong in this case.
That his misogyny creeping in. I love Dr. Grande, but that is sometimes an issue with him. If it had been the grandpa, his commentary would have been something like "when Sabrina grew uncontrollable, the grandfather was forced to give her up."
Ehhh life isn’t fair muffin top old ladies shouldn’t have to take care of kids when they can barely take care of themselves
@@charliesierra2490 oh come on get a grip
Caring for teens in the foster care program is extremely difficult. They are often already so broken by then it’s nearly impossible for them to live a “normal” life.
My statements are based on our experiences taking in teens in foster care for a number of years.
True, I imagine that it is difficult, but the difficulty doesn't normally come in the the form of being tempted to sexually abuse a minor and convince her to murder your wife. That's just evil
@@alexrothwell2053 true.
You are absolutely correct. Looked into adopting from the foster system and watched the available postings for two years. The severe disorders were often disguised with word play, but we learned to read between the lines. We ultimately concluded it was unethical for these children to be presented as available/eligible for adoption. You cannot love someone out of psychopathy, and we were not willing to take the chance with a kid who “likes to play with matches and gasoline.”
I saw it with my mother. You can get some bad off teenagers.
@@tdob6067 true. That is my opinion based on my experiences.
If Sabrina's intent for killing Lisa was to hook up with Kevin, it appears she didn't really think through the whole "life in prison for murder" aspect very well. Kind of strange that she didn't even make an attempt at getting away with it. I'd be curious to know if she feels it was worth it after all was said and done. She very easily could have just waited for them to get divorced and they could have lived out their sick and twisted fantasy happily ever after. What a deranged nutjob. My sincere condolences to Lisa's children and loved ones... the ones who actually cared about her.
That's because she wasn't killing Lisa....she was killing her mother. That's why she stabbed her over a hundred times.
..apparently claiming amnesia was part of the conspiracy?
$$ gone with divorce…death is much more financially appealing until u get caught🤦♀️
He had everything to do with this murder...
Dr. Grande, do you ever tire of immersing your mind in so much tragedy? I hope you’re able to detach from it for your own mental health. Just looking out for my favorite Dr. 😉 🤗
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He also found a good concept and has a very ASMR type calming voice. His rational, structured and repeated style videos are good for grounding anxious people like me ha!
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Apparently, fostering and adopting can be dangerous.
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(After reading video title): EWWWWWWW
(After seeing video): This was so damn sad and sordid. Poor Lisa and poor Megan, too, having to call 911 when her mom was being murdered by her sister.
Awesome to find your channel years into its existence so I can binge like I haven’t probably since Breaking Bad lol plenty of crazy drama here too and thanks for your insight I learned so much I didn’t know on subjects I mostly didn’t care about, but now thanks to your channel find fascinating
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Wow they both were sick. 178 stabs wounds is beyond brutal. Another young kid with drug issues, turned violent. Always great content & thoughts. Thanks Dr G😉❤❤
If the older woman would have just bowed out, none of this had to happen.
@@benjamindover4337 and why exactly are you blaming the victim?
"She was stabbed 178 times. She did not survive."
Thank you for clearing up that ambiguity, Dr. G 😅
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Nice shirt Dr. A long time ago, I would wear clothes from a brand who’s motto was "Life is too short to dress sad" :)
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More color! It is like the doc who always keeps the background neutral to remain a steady holding safe place for clients. Brick wall. Cacti barely grow. Appreciate your humor but love a more dynamic background and color in the shirts. You are the only presenter whose cases I wish were a little longer but I am here to stay! MA psychodynamic therapy, art therapy. Congratulations on exceeding 1.3 subs.
Imagine how traumatic it would of been for the younger child, thank goodness she had the ability to hide & then to call 911 what a brave courageous child, she is the hero in this horrific case . Who did she end up with? I hope she was able to get counselling & move on with her life
@Salem this is terribly sad ending for this angel 🙏 I had hoped many good things in her life, it’s tragic
love you Dr. Grande!
Great video, Dr Grande. At 6:15, however, you state that "Lisa decided to cooperate with authorities...". I'm quite sure you meant "Sabrina decided to cooperate with authorities...", as Lisa was murdered at that time.
After listening again, I noticed that you called Sabrina by the name of Lisa at 6:56 also.
Hi Doc, Can you analyze the case of Dana Chandler, Topeka, Kansas? Her conviction may soon change as the prosecutor in her case has been disbarred. I would love to hear your opinion. Many thanks!
Ooh I would like to hear about that, as well.
I feel like most teens have Oppositional Defiant Disorder 😅
No...not the meaning.
I really think Lisa made a bad judgement call by flatly rejecting Sabrina and ultimately demanding she get out. She certainly had legitimate concerns ....but insinuating to Sabrina that she was a problem and unwanted wasn't the way to do it. As a professional, she should have facilitated new placement for child in another home. Why blame a child for her husband's abhorrent behavior? Sabrina did a terrible thing. But she was cunningly groomed ...very disturbing story.
Nice shirt. DR. Grande. Your little drops of humor just adds to your analysis. Really enjoy your channel.
That was my request on patreon thanks doc G.
Is that why he’s not responding to my advances? I’m not on patreon. Guess I have to sign up.
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Great video! I'd love you to do an analysis on the Philpotts in the U.K....they set their house on fire and killed their kids. Pretty clear they were responsible but interested in your view on motives and narcissism and their relationship/s abuse..
I've been living in Ohio for more years than I care to mention and there are some crazy cases here. I appreciate your unbiased take on them. As a non native, the comments on these OH stories unnerve me! Also, that shirt suits you down to the ground but that's not really what we are here to talk about. Love from, alas, Ohio
The shirts man, the shirts!!!
Dr. Grande lovin' this shirt, and also I graduated high school with Kevin's sister. This happened years after we graduated but was still so hard to believe when it happened.
How Dr Grande says theses sarcastic jokes and stay serious is a mystery for me. He should analyze his owns videos. Maybe we can know how he does this.
Thank you, Grande, your analysis of this topic was informative. And interesting.
Your shirt selection passes my analysis. Thank you Dr. Grande, I love your insights and analysis, and bringing these cases to a bigger forum.
Neither Kevin nor Sabrina are guaranteed to be paroled on their eligibility dates, they could both do a full life sentence. Ohio is a tough on crime state, same as Texas and Florida.
Yes, and how is that working out for them?
Yes that’s what it means to get 30 years to life!
@@damienhunt4264 Quite well actually. You see killers, robbers, and sex offenders can't keep victimizing the public when they don't have access to the public. Being in prison and shit. Kind of the reason Californians and New Yorkers are moving to Texas and Florida in droves.
I am surprised that a couple with three divorces between them would be a candidate for a foster child.
I would imagine that foster children have a strong inclination for paranoia and trust issues.
A lot to think about!
Thank you for the video.
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Fantastic shirt, Dr. Grande! And great analysis! ❤️
I’m loving the new wardrobe-and I love your informed and fair analysis as always. This was a disheartening case. I’m glad both perpetrators were prosecuted. It would have been unsettling in Kevin had got off Scott free.
What a horrific and disgusting case!
I thought your analysis was incredible, Dr. Grande!
And of course you made me laugh several times! ;D
Loved the "It appears she was suffering from Ultra Convenient Correction Avoidance Memory Loss."
Also have to add that you look very handsome in your summery looking shirt!
Hello Dr. Grande, I really like to follow you on youtube. you always bring interesting cases for us to listen to. This video is somewhat sad to see what some people go through in their life. I find it very strange as you pointed out that there were 1491 messages in only 15 days, without mentioning as you said any remorse for his wife, weird. Thank you for sharing. Best Regards.
I love your channel!
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Dr. Grande, I saw a story about this horrible case, so i found your analysis quite interesting. Thanks for covering it. 👍💜🌵
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I have always been disturbed greatly by this case. It shows just how important maintaining healthy boundaries are, as well as a decent and consistent moral code.
As a side note, that is a very cute shirt. Aloha, Dr. Grande.
Sabrina probably used trianglation playing the parents against each other a common tactic of foster kids
You could have left out the word "foster".
Great analysis Dr Grande.
If Sabrina was having sex with her foster father as the wife suspected, why wasn't Child Protective Services contacted??? Isn't it a crime to have sex with a minor? Especially a father figure.????
Yes, my question also. Why didn't the wife move away with the other girls?
@@allydea People get beyond irrational when their personal romantic relationship is at stake or compromised. Professionals as well
She wasn't a minor.
@@eadweard.Sabrina was fostered from the age of 16. I don't know what the age is for consent, but at the very least I think it is inappropriate to have sex with a man who is supposed to be a father figure.
@@thereal4113 Oh you're dammed right it was inappropriate. It was sick, is what it was.
really enjoy your videos. i like the professional appearance when you're acting a mental health commentator.
I re-watched your video on the psychological effects of long-term incarceration and thought I'd suggest a video on your opinions on the effects of living under an assumed identity, both by choice (fugitives) and by compulsion (witness protection). Of particular interest is criminals who have been given new identifies to try and integrate them back into society.
Dr grande I have been feeling really terrible today and your videos always make me feel better. Your voice is so calming, no matter what the subject matter is
And I enjoy your witty puns
Listen to ASMR sand-cutting videos :) it sounds weird but they are super duper relaxing and can calm u down, too :) helps ppl sleep!
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Thank you for the analysis. I have observed UCCAML displayed in a courtroom setting but never heard it directly referred to by a clinician.☺
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It's really repugnant how Sabrina's extreme vulnerability and desperation for love was exploited. I think she could be rehabilitated with intensive therapy and education and I think the minimum of 30 years is excessive. I really feel for Lisa and the two daughters who now have to live with this tragedy that has left them essentially orphaned. I hope they are in supportive environments and have access to mental healthcare that can facilitate the processing of such a devastating loss. It's disgusting how the husband behaved both before and after his instigation of his wife's murder.
I agree 100% and couldn’t have said it better.
She might be able to be rehabilitated but, her foster mother will never get that chance. Her bio daughters have been robbed of a mother for their lives and no doubt they are both tramatised from seeing and hearing what they did. Sabrina should die in prison.
She stabbed a woman, 178 times, but you feel sorry for her. That makes really great sense.
@@chuckrobinson599 are you saying we can't feel sorry for people who do wrong things? That doesn't make sense
@@iaindcosta you can feel like you're a fire engine, that doesn't mean you're carrying firemen to put out fires. It could mean you need professional help.
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Hello dr. Grande. I m huge fan of your work. I wanted to thank you and ask you to please consider my question. Can you please analyse the case of LARRY NASSAR and the scandal that shook the world of gysmnastics. Since its a huge case and its been going on for such a long time... who do you think had an active role in enabling the monster ?. Thank you
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Digging your shirt, Dr.!
Rockin the shirt.
Always interesting.
Humor is outstanding.
Thank you.
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Dr Grande,
Tragic story all the way around.
On another note, I absolutely love your bright, floral shirts! I've been meaning to tell you.
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This is right around my hood...thank you Dr. G!
Nice shirt! Great analysis and hope you're taking care of yourself.
Thanks!
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What's that on your finger?
How is it that you upload daily?! It's amazing. Also that's a bold shirt my friend. 👌
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Picking nits perhaps but momentarily confused me when you mentioned that "Lisa" decided to cooperate with authorities at around the 6:14 mark when you meant to say 'Sabrina', Dr. G. Jim C.
"Wouldn't be willing to lift a finger", nice Dr. Grande, one of your best.
Too good! I wanted to make a new comment on this, but yours is perfect @Ray.
Another wild shirt!
This one is like a gothic version of the Magnum P.I. style.
Love the shirt Dr.G
When I read the title, I thought this was about the case in south Africa with the prison owner...
could you please elaborate? I'd like to look up info if you remember any details so I can find the story you're referring to. Thank you in advance if you answer. Hope you're having a good day. 🙂
@@ivygrey6244 search for Louis and Sabrina van Schoor.
Brilliant. Very sad story for the remaining girls and wife, who seemed to have a good heart. RIP
Hi Todd, can you review the Peter R. De vries assasination? It is quite a large case in the Netherlands. Cheers!
Nice summery shirt Doc!
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Lisa was not given the same sentence as you claim Doctor Grande, Sabrina sentenced her to death not LWP. Otherwise your review and analysis remain top notch.
Yeah, I thought I was the only one who caught that.
You bring up excellent points, Dr.
I have seen several presentations on this case, not one of them mentioned that Kevin was threatening to end his life to Sabrina, if his wife stayed alive. That is the ultimate emotional blackmail, to threaten to end yourself to coerce someone into your plan.
I'm by no means on Sabrina's side...but as mentioned, Sabrina clearly would have abandonment issues and fears, given her history with her parents, her grandmother, and in the foster care system. Since she couldn't get along with Lisa, Kevin was her lifeline to stability in her own eyes.
At Sabrina's age at that time, you are EXTREMELY impressionable. That is an age, that you especially need structure, healthy boundaries with adults and to understand consequences of your actions.
If she never had a stable, reliable, good parental figure or guidance before she entered this house that lasted more than a few years...she was putty in Kevin's hands, in many ways. You are so naive at this age, as a teenager.
I was groomed inappropriately by am uncle I lived with when I was in my early teens, and it took many years of counseling and therapy to overcome that amd understand normal relationships with adults in your life.
In that way, I understand why Sabrina went down the path to destruction. I'm sure that she knew this was WRONG. But, when the adult you look up to does not exercise that conscience themselves, and is very manipulative..it can definitely lead to very, very poor decisions.
The true victims in this case are Lisa, and her daughters. There's parts of me that do empathize with Sabrina, but I also believe she needs to serve sone time and hopefully she's getting therapy while serving her time. I do think that intense therapy for young inmates like Sabrina is vital, especially when she spent most of her life as a feather in the wind with no lasting structure and stability until she entered the Knoefel home. To be vulnerable with a person like Kevin was a recipe for disaster.
I truly hope both Sabrina and Kevin feel remorse for what they've done and are working towards goals of being better people
A loyal fan and now a shirt fan. Ps, Keep it interesting by keeping us wondering 😊
What a freak the dad ended up being, I almost feel bad for the girl
Hello, Dr. Great video, as always.
If you can, please take a look at the case of the Bever brothers - Teens who killed their family. I would love to hear your opinion about it.
Dr.grande the best there is stay bless Dr.🙏🇭🇹❤️
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I’m loving the new Hawaiian shirts Dr. G. Looking good! Love 💕 your content. Keep it flowing! Aloha!!
Hope you're doing well Dr G
Kevin is worst than Sabrina because he took advantage of her. Sabrina wanted to be loved like any ordinary teenager but unfortunately it was Kevin who she thought loved her. He was probably going a midlife crisis and needed his ego stroked by being with a young girl.
Damn isn’t it tiresome how many men have midlife crisis’ and then prey on age inappropriate girls for sexual gratification?! This crap is just so tawdry and malignant.
No sympathy for Sab. She is evil I never let that sh## in my house let alone care for her... See what she repaid
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The husband put Sabrina up to this, evidence or no evidence. He manipulated her using emotional blackmail, that he might commit suicide if he didn't get rid of his wife forever. Sabrina knew what he wanted and she did it. He was desperate to see her in the jail to make sure she wasn't going to talk or implicate him. Neither of them were thinking about what would happen to the couples children. They didn't care. And because he moved on without Sabrina after she facilitated this new life for him and all the money....she got revenge by telling the cops. It did her no good though as they both got the same sentence.
I'm loving the shirt!
“Not lift a finger” bahahaha Doc your macabre sense of humor slays me 😁