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A lot of people want to build everything themselves from scratch, some people feel using assets is cheating, but I'm here to tell you that you can absolutely use assets, all that matters is that the final game is good.
Here's various examples of Games that make heavy use of visual assets that are easily recognizable to anyone who browses the Unity Asset Store and knows Synty Studios Assets, but despite that none of the players care!
All the players care is if the game is good and if so they love the game regardless of what assets it uses.
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💬 Here let's explore if you can or should use assets when making your own games.
A lot of people want to build everything themselves from scratch, some people feel using assets is cheating, but I'm here to tell you that you can absolutely use assets, all that matters is that the final game is good.
Here's various examples of Games that make heavy use of visual assets that are easily recognizable to anyone who browses the Unity Asset Store and knows Synty Studios Assets, but despite that none of the players care!
All the players care is if the game is good and if so they love the game regardless of what assets it uses.
✅ ASSETS USED
POLYGON Heist - Low Poly 3D Art by Synty
assetstore.unity.com/packages/3d/environments/urban/polygon-heist-low-poly-3d-art-by-synty-97949?aid=1101l96nj&pubref=gameswithassets
POLYGON Apocalypse assetstore.unity.com/packages/3d/environments/urban/polygon-apocalypse-low-poly-3d-art-by-synty-154193?aid=1101l96nj&pubref=gameswithassets
POLYGON Gang Warfare assetstore.unity.com/packages/3d/environments/industrial/polygon-gang-warfare-low-poly-3d-art-by-synty-150589?aid=1101l96nj&pubref=gameswithassets
Low Poly Shooter Pack v4.0 assetstore.unity.com/packages/templates/systems/low-poly-shooter-pack-v4-0-54947?aid=1101l96nj&pubref=gameswithassets
Factory Builder Template assetstore.unity.com/packages/templates/systems/factory-builder-template-200242?aid=1101l96nj&pubref=gameswithassets
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I love the statement at the very end of the video: "You don't get extra points for doing everything yourself". This is just the best way of putting it all together in one sentence. Also one more thing - sometimes you don't have to release your game with the assets you start with. Ready assets are fantastic for prototyping and from what I am aware that's what a lot of people use the Synty Studios assets pack for. You can start with them to have something to show, to present your idea and then when the time comes swap it to something unique. They are also very good learning material. You can learn SOOOOOOOO MUCH by analyzing how the assets are done, what they include and so on.
Well said
@@DanDuffy_ Thank you! :)
why this whole ''beginning'' ''prototyping'' issue treating assets as something second rate? as if you weren't able to create something unique with just assets? this is the exact view he said at the beginning, you do NOT get points for making everything from scratch, it's just unnecessary work and stress, if you properly combine various asset points especially in gameplay and make everything flow smoothly and put everything together properly, the assets CAN YES be a final product, this hyper valuation of unnecessary work is what makes gamedesign unnecessarily complicated, hell if a guy managed to create a hyper futuristic and linear fps without knowing ANYTHING about programming then a good part of this meritocracy is not valid
I launched my game on Steam almost entirely with assets from the Unity store. I was worried people would leave negative reviews because of that, as I was upfront about it in the game's description, but nobody cared. Over time as I made a bit of money from the game I changed out most of the assets with original art. In my experience using per-made assets was totally fine.
@only right opinion HammerHelm.
@@calamitycal1 YOOOO! i love that game bro, i always play it when i'm in the office until this day, but tbh the first few days after your release that game i have pretty bad impression of it, but overtime i like it
Was the game free or paid
For me, using assets (free or not) is a bit like working in a team, without the endless meetings :) I find this practice very natural, I'm neither a modeler nor a musician, so I have no choice!
AI is already taking care of these issues
@@alainportant6412still has some time to mature.
If you can find an AI that can generate good 3d and/or 2d assets lemme know 🙂
If using assets is cheating then using an engine is cheating. And really, if you want to make if from scratch, you should make your own computer lol
Yup, the more you think about this kind of statement the more insane it sounds
Couldn't agree more with that statement. I've just arrived home from the mine. I harvested enough metal to start working on my motherboard. My computer should be complete in 2054.
Bro, when I was first getting into game dev looking for an engine or a starting point there was so many forums online saying “Using a prebuilt game engine is cheating and unoriginal and you can just tell when you play the game, which is why I want to build an engine from scratch”. Followed by a statement that they have no experience in programming.
@@JTAGames Yeah, really the only reason you should make your own game engine is if your a company like Playground games(Forza Horizon) and you're willing to put it the effort for an engine that perfectly fits your game.
@@goma8167 🤣
I'm a 3d modeler that has spent 3 hours modelling a katana, and while writing this comment I'm rendering it for another 2 hours (as a video).
Should you buy assets?. Yes!.
Making things from scratch is very grindy.
The issue is more (for me) finding a complete set of assets that work for the whole project. Unless you are using Synty or other huge asset packs, it's really tough to match everything up with a consistent style.
If you CAN get matching assets and it saves you time, go for it. Either way, you need one "art director" in control of how it looks.
Retexturing 3rd party assets goes a long way and is something that even big studios occasionally do.
Often an unsuitable asset becomes perfect for your project (and also unrecognizable for players who saw it in other games) after tweaking its scale, rotation, and material properties.
@@LemuriaGames for me creating all of them from 0 is easier then retexture them specialy with my botato cp
@@LemuriaGames This! I'm lucky enough to have a photoshop expert in my team, she is basically tweaking and retexturizing a lot of the assets we have to match the feel of our projects =)
The fantastic thing about unity asset store is that you can normally reach out to the artist that creates the assets. You could even ask them to commission your own assets so that way you do get matching assets
In business software development and ESPECIALLY web development, most projects depends on dozens to thousands of external libraries, i.e. "packages" or the comparable to "asset packs". We wouldn't have most of the websites, solutions and apps we have today if it weren't for the existing packages. For some reason, when it comes to gaming, the average Joe gamer loves to scream: "ASSET FLIP" if he sees an asset that was bought, this video is very important to clarify the difference between "ASSETS/PACKAGES" vs "FLIP", thank you. Your final part is golden: "You don't get extra points for doing everything yourself. You don't get penalty points for using third party assets."
When you are a solo dev or working on a small team, you have to "Work smarter, not harder". There is nothing wrong with being strategic in what assets you use and I doubt that aside from aesthetics, most people wouldn't be able to recognize if you used other systems available on the Asset Store; such as a save/load product or third person controller. You can't take a decade to learn how to do everything yourself.
This made me feel a lot better about how I'm putting my game together. I just was not having any luck w the terrain builder and caved to buy a level asset that was more what I was envisioning. Appreciate it Code Monkey. This was the motivation I think I needed right now.
Best of luck with your project!
As a programmer who couldn't draw a square I'm happy using assets. Synty allow a consistent look.
I think a lot of people forget a lot of AAA studios and games use stock assets. Certainly not to the degree Indies might but assets like Speedtree are common place. Also as I think someone else mentioned sound effects are often a bought assets. How many big budget movies and games use the Wilhelm scream?
You are correct, but the Wilhelm scream is more of an industry wide "meme" if you can call it that.
I'm not the only one that can't draw square lol
I've seen a ton of synty games coming out lately. I have started wondering when the general population of gamers is going to catch on to us all using the same art lol.
@@Settiis Wilhelm Scream is recognizable, but hundreds of other screams, grunts, etc are not as easily recognizable but come from sound libraries.
@@thingies4U obviously
If you can find an asset that suits your game, then you have no reason not to use it
I feel like the best way is make the assets that make your game unique, IE your characters, the enemies, NPCs, maps, etc, but don't obsess over making a tree or barrel or anything trivial when someone else has already done it
I want to make my own assets but the reason to do so is more on the "i dont have a budget/deadline and I have fun making the assets"
I always figured as long as unique gameplay it’s fine.
Graphics can be crap as long as it not a complete clone.
Well obviously the reviews are good because no one would buy a game where they recognized the assets used in it and thought it was a low effort asset flip. That said though, we do need to remember that our target audience is not other developers who frequent the Unity Asset Store lol
that's a clear point
I immediately thought the same thing! This is a more likely scenario !
The asset store is one of the main reasons I keep using Unity. It has a great community, and many wheels that have already been invented are offered at a fraction of the cost of doing it yourself. It's made making games much faster - and many even work as study material.
Paying Synty or anybody else for game assets is no different than paying a freelance artist to do it. Just use the assets for your own vision. Thanks for all you do.
I personally prefer making all my assets myself, as it feels so much more satisfying being able to show off your game to your friends, saying "everything you see was made by me". But I totally support using assets made by others, especially for prototyping
Assets are like reusing code, isn't it? Why reinvent the wheel for the eleventh time? Art assets are the ones that can be a little tricky. You may not get the ones you need for the artistic vision or style you want for your game and may need extra work. Having said that, depending on the license of the asset, you can have ones as a starting point and modify them to suit what your game needs.
On a side note, please tell me you aren't teaching those "10 coding commandments" as unbreakable law... It is absolutely horrible being in code reviews submitting an optimization and the reviewer refuses to relax on those "commandments" without understanding that trade-offs have to be made. The worst offender is when a certain pattern or coding style introduces memory allocations that in the optimization we are eliminating, and that leads to hours trying to explain why it should be done the way it is submitted...
Great video. I spend quite some time every week on the Unity asset store so I usually recognize quickly when an indee game uses assets of the asset store. It's always fun to see the same asset pack used in games that have nothing in common. I love what Synty Studios do, their work is amazing, no wonder why many game devs use their packs.
Great video, especially the ending quote on no bonus points or penalties for not using/using assets. It took me longer than I’d like to admit (6 months - 1 year) to actually accept that I should use assets to get the best product possible for players. Namely using a coding asset that solved a problem that I spent almost a year consistently failing at lol. So you’ll save a lot of pain and anger by using assets properly. After all programmers in AAA companies need artists to make games and artists need programmers to make games.
This is a really helpful video, and one that can only come from someone with lots of experience with both unity assets and unity steam games. Thanks!
Outstanding work, as usual and I'm sure answered a question many, like myself, had about using Synty assets, which I do love.
Thing is, weather the final product is good or not is not the only thing that matters. I want to have fun making the game, if i use others assets i would just get discouraged and eventually drop the game.
I have no problem with others using it though, and i dont really think its cheating.
I think most of people get discouraged by the mountain of code to build a game, rather than the fact of using someone else code. I tried to learn c# with game dev, and now I feel spending my time rethinking the wheel.
@@ypichardie im not the best at programming, honestly im pretty bad- but as this is my dream and what i wanna do with my life, i see conplicated huge amount of code facanating and incouraging instead, even if i dont understand shit.
@@christofferhenriksen7631 so maybe the best thing to do is to create a fully finished playable game (even simple) with your idea, even if you have to reuse assets. That's what I'm going to do ☺️ see you
Tnx mate. I started building a game but did not know what to think about using assets. This will save me a lot of time because I won't need to make everything by myself.
Brilliant video! Good points throughout! :)
Code Monkey, will you ever do another course? I loved the first one and it helped me a lot!
Very very good video, thank you! This should be broadcasted on Steam 24/7.
This video really answered the question for me thanks. Good practical examples made the reasoning very believable here instead of just chatter without examples.
I'm glad you found the video helpful!
Boneworks is an excellent example of a game that uses a blend of custom assets and assets from the asset store with little impact on the player experience. Some of the assets I could spot were weapons from the ChamferZone's FPS weapons pack, NOT_Lonely's Abandoned School pack, among a few others.
The first Tree made million dollars and the dev didn't even model a cube himself!.Assets Flip.. I call that a bold move... For a small team.. it's a good strategy... indie game devs forgets sometimes that people won't even care about assets used.. Because it's just a really small percentage of people who know how games are made.. It's a minority compared to the gaming community worldwide..
Thank you so much. I'm working on a game and I'm being skeptical about using Assets thinking players would hate my game for that but this video and the comments have really taken that burden off my chest. You've got a new subscriber
Best of luck with your game!
The thing is, I mostly make games as a hobby, and enjoy making textures and models as much as making levels, so I really don't have a need to use asset store assets for that reason.
you have the spirit of a true dev.
You helped me a lot with this video. I was stuggling to decide how far I have to go to create something. And while I understand 3D Modelling and know the basics of Blender and 3D Studio, I have no talent for both. :)
Now I better understand that it´s ok to use assets as long as the results are kinda unique.
Thanks man ive been contemplating if I should use the Low Poly Shooter pack in my game after watching this video I feel more confident on pursuing my game using the low poly shooter pack thanks
The reason that Im grateful for the low poly fps asset is because my laptop can't run blender because of the graphics card so using that asset really helped a ton
I'd have to imagine devs with this mentality ignore their own advice when it comes to sound design. Creating decent sound-effects from scratch requires pricey equipment and likely an education in audio engineering. I doubt the majority of solo devs or small indie teams go through that hassle.
You'd be surprised at what a $100 tascam field recorder can capture, but yeah I'd say unfortunately audio is half of the experience, it's audio and visuals that make a game.
quality is a lie. skill is what matters. Use a phone, learn audacity or FL studio, and youre set.
I have to admit that recently I've been a bit concerned about using Synty assets for my project because so many people use them. But you're totally right - they look great and players don't care that they're purchased!
Thanks for the video, very good perspective! People should focus on the aspects of production that they enjoy and are good at. I enjoy coding and really hate 3D modeling. Using assets is amazing because you can get quality/professional resources for you game. In a perfect world, we would all have money to hire private artists/composers/coders for our projects, assets help you get your projects to materialize under financial constraints.
I think using premade assets still cheapens the product to an extent. But if one only cares about money that is not necessary an issue until people really start to notice which will probably happen in time as more and more games end up having identical assets in them and regular players who don't pay much attention start to pick up on it. But if you are trying to create "art" and then use identical assets from other projects that does cheapen the end product. It is like if a painter paints a complete piece or uses other artists work straight into his own painting. It does hurt the integrity of the piece.
Games are a lot more than just visuals. If your game is primarily meant to be an art piece then yes original art is the way to go.
But if your game is primarily meant to be about the mechanics and systems inside it, then I don't think assets cheapen the experience at all.
Personally I don't care about making artistic games like Stray or Journey, I want to make games with interesting systems like Factorio or Rimworld and for that assets are perfect for helping me bring that vision to life.
Ya i was searching this video thanks man.
While using assets is fine, I find most of them not being useful as a "face" for your game. Even if we forget about dozens of games potentially using the same main character, I feel like a custom-made character is typically much more memorable (both in-game and in promotion material) than a "lowpoly_male_05" you got from the last year's Unreal Monthly Giveaway.
Sure, the main characters better be created by the developer.
Okay, I got it now. Thank you very much!
I am using Synty too they have really good visual assets but I'm still going to need to make and build the game. I can't afford to learn a ton of Blender just enough to add and do simple edits. Games take a lot and the coding aspect is a whole other beast. Once you get either those two you have music to deal with. If I can pay my way through some parts and work on what I want to work on, you really shouldn't care about that thought of flipping.
Thank you, that's really helped me.
All great points, loved this video...now if I could find some videos to help me use the assets I have! Level design vids seem to be mostly speed builds or terrains. I'd love to see a vid based on a Synty pack that at least narrates the process with tips on design, lighting, and keeping it optimized.
Know of any? Anyway thanx so much for all your videos!
Hmm I don't think I've seen any video on that specific topic. Personally I hate doing level design so I haven't done that myself.
For keeping it optimized, make sure not to use many different materials and possibly look into occlusion culling. For lights, just use some simple scripts to enable/disable them over distance.
Performance probably won't be an issue, especially for low poly assets
The closest thing to that topic would be the Unity Twitch streams deep dives, especially the one about Lost in Random, I remember they showed a bunch of tricks for how they built their world with interesting lighting.
thank u i have really extensive unreal engine skills, and modeling takes me more time and frustration than it is to code a whole game, plus im always changing my ideas, so by the time i modeled a couple of characters and assets, i want to do a drifferent game, making my future unbareable, found this video after having a chat with my gf that i should buy assets since i have the money, and start only coding for now, and so i found synty on epic game store, and then i found u, thanks for giving me the help i needed, what you mention were exactly my thoughts!
Thanks for the big clarity
For me the Synty Assets are just a timeless masterpiece. I tried making assets for my own games myself, but that never worked out and made me lose interest in actually polishing those. However, a few months back I started to use a Synty pack myself. For me that opened a lot more opportunities than trying to create the assets and I still work on that project. Using that pack also made me focus on my code way more, which also improved a bunch!
The problem I have with it (for me, I don’t care what other people do) is that at what point does the game stop being your original work? How a game looks is such a major part of how people think of your game. For me, at least, using even one asset that was used by someone else’s game feels like it sullies my project. Making a game is like making art. Everything should be original. Unity is the canvas, and the asset store is someone else using your paintbrush. Unless you don’t care as much about that (I might be alone), then I agree with the video, it doesn’t matter if what you create is fun.
For me, I'm a programmer so making games is about building interesting systems, personally I don't care about art.
So for me I would maybe feel like I didn't build the game myself if I used some giant Game Creator asset, but I have no problems using visual assets to bring my vision to life
If you are an artist you might have the opposite view, you might feel like you need to build all the art yourself to consider it original and you might be ok with using giant logic Game Creator assets
Good video, you are right on with this point. There is so much unwarranted negativity about the use of assets and I have also been attacked on FB groups for using assets because somebody recognised the core kit used. Still, you must move on and keep going, develop a game for the players you enjoy, and ignore the negative. One point on top of this is that most asset flip negativity comes from other developers or people who think they are game devs, in general, not the non-developer game-playing community.
Dude i realy love your videos and i have learned a lot with you, and when i need to remember something or by some reason i have Lost the files or the projects i watch your tutorials again.
I like to code the mechanics of the game, and hate do 3d model or draw 2D stuff and realy like the visuals of synty assets, and because of that i have left so many projects in the draw, but i will take your advice and take my chances 😉 using assets.
Thanks bro
That's great to hear, best of luck with your projects!
Thanks! I'm making my game with assets. I make games for fun because I like coding. I don't have modeling skills and don't enjoy modeling at all. Good to hear that using purchased assets isn't seen entirely negatively.
Thanks man. This gave me moıtivation
I would love a video about what kind of assets would work on the asset store... like i'm an artist and was thinking of making art asset packs, but don't know what people want and was actually worried about the whole asset flip topic...
You can browse the asset store by "Popularity" and see what is selling, there's a market for just about anything but there's also tons of competition, similar to making indie games
i still think that to make ur game look special from the rest u must make everything ur self without assets
Well it's justifiable when your doing something new or complex because it's important to know how everything works
If using packs like Synty's is bad, then so too should be using animation packs, or code packs.
But without those packs, I could never have done what I have done thus far in my game dev adventure. I bought several (Maybe too many) synty packs, especially the Modular Fantasy Hero pack, I also bought an extensive animation pack that works well with the Synty characters, and a nice MMO style charachter controller.
My long term goal is to make a runescape-like game. A hefty goal, but I think I can pull it off in time, and something I couldnt possibly achieve without the assets to give me a solid starting point.
Yup using assets will definitely help you reach that goal, best of luck with your game!
So i have question about your old tutorial, "Making Captain America", so bassicly my GetPosition() doesn't work so i changed it into transform.position and it works, but now what do i change GetBodyPosition() into because if i change GetBodyPosition() into transform.position it just drags the player with the shield
Came here for the comments and people in your community are refreshingly wise; No one crying about using assets like there might be on Reddit.
Did you change the walls and stuff in your building tutorial clip? It looks a lot nicer than the plain wooden ones I remember.
I made two house building videos with slightly different assets, maybe you're remembering the other one
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I don't like to use Specifically model assets simply because I Want to make my own models. but when it comes to certain types of mechanics assets I don't see exactly the problem of getting an asset from unity store if I can't make one myself
Thank you. This video answered several questions that were on my mind since I started learning. I appreciate the clear definitions of using an asset vs asset flipping. Only question I have about assets now is do you put anything in the game that gives credit for assets that were used to the people that made the credits? Although as a player I can't recall the last time that I seen credits in a game except to patrons and other supporters of the game during development.
Not really, you can if you want to but there's no requirement. I also don't think I've ever seen an asset list in any game's credits
Players want good quality games.
So sometimes your own would be of low quality and thus using assets improve the quality and players can have a good game. I don't like the people who calls out great games asset flips, because most are made by a single person or a small team. They want to give quality games, and know their limitations and use assets. AAA games also use assets like....one person models, other person programs it. It's kind of same in this case too. Good assets improve the gameplay experience and thus making players happy.
TLDR : Using assets benefits the players.
FACTS! It has always been about mechanics and game play. Unless your game relies on its unique graphics.
I totally agree with you. Using assets is not cheating in my opinion. However there is a problem for me : if I use some assets of the store and at the same time i build myself some other assets too for my game, at the end people will not see the difference anymore between the assets I have really made myself and the assets I have taken from the internet. Then i lose credibility for the asset i have really made myself because i can't prove I made them myself. I don't know if I'm clear 😵💫
Yup consistency is the most important thing, whether you build everything yourself or use assets completely of any mix of the two, the main thing is making sure that everything looks like it belongs. That's one of th reasons why I really like the Low Poly artstyle, I can mix multiple low poly packs and they all look consistent
Im not a dev yet, but when i am. im definitely gonna use some assets in my first game (like 5-10 assets) the things im super confused with is steering wheel support "actual wheel not a ui wheel for mobile games, like logitech g29 for example)
I agree on a lot of this as a gamer all my life & recently developing recent years in late 20s early 30s. I'm not even sure what games I've played used assets & hardly care. I use and require them unfortunately, the real negative I see in them is how they can limit your ideas as a creator if they aren't compatible with something you wanted.
Lunia was a fine established MMORPG that didn't live very long, it got a bad mobile sequel years later I made vids on, the real downside wasn't that it used assets, it had a lot more flaws in the gameplay perspectives, it didn't even last for a year. Someone did point out it used skin assets and wouldn't be surprised if it had code assets too. I just shrugged it off and said no wonder it didn't include the original enemies, which would've been better.
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If I build a game in unity and put game on App Store
And after I I add in that project unity one a new
Character and scene and I build again how only update app from AppStore?
The player prefs remains saved?
The binary save remains saved?
Ive used blender a little bit and found it to be a real pain. I’ve also used nomad sculpt for iPad, which on the contrary, I found fun. My question for you sir is, what is the least amount of work I have to do to make an asset? Do I have to worry about mesh size when importing into Unity? Thanks.
can someone pls tell me why my whenever i sprint it just stays sprinting and never stops
public CharacterController controller;
public float speed = 10f;
public float gravity = -9.81f;
public float jumpHeight = 3f;
public Transform groundCheck;
public float groundDistance = 0.4f;
public LayerMask groundMask;
Vector3 velocity;
bool isGrounded;
public bool isSprinting = false;
public float sprintspeed = 20f;
// Update is called once per frame
void Update()
{
isGrounded = Physics.CheckSphere(groundCheck.position, groundDistance, groundMask);
if (isGrounded && velocity.y < 0)
{
velocity.y = -2f;
}
float x = Input.GetAxis("Horizontal");
float z = Input.GetAxis("Vertical");
Vector3 move = transform.right * x + transform.forward * z;
controller.Move(move * speed * Time.deltaTime);
if (Input.GetButtonDown("Jump") && isGrounded)
{
velocity.y = Mathf.Sqrt(jumpHeight * -2f * gravity);
}
velocity.y += gravity * Time.deltaTime;
controller.Move(velocity * Time.deltaTime);
if (Input.GetKey(KeyCode.LeftShift))
{
isSprinting = true;
}
else
{
isSprinting = false;
}
if (isSprinting == true)
{
speed = sprintspeed;
}
you never turn the speed back to normal, put an else on the last IF
I am still learning Unity and trying for my own Car Racing game.
I downloaded few Tracks from Asset store and not sure how can I alter those track by myself.
Because the lighting looks awful and need some modification in the track.
This is an eye opening video for me. I do code, not art, and have tried many times but it didn't work. I always work in dull scenes with capsules and empty planes because I always thought if I start using assets then people are going to think negative of my game but the Perfect Heist game really swayed my opinion. The fact it's a demo scene with nothing changed and yet people didn't complain in mass really says something. Not that you should do that, but if you can provide gameplay that people enjoy then the art style is less impactful.
I wonder though, if you were to encounter multiple games in a row using the same Synty asset pack, would that change your opinion in any way?
Again remember to look at things from the players point of view. As a dev you and I recognize Synty assets right away, but players, the 120 million players on Steam, they have no clue what even is 'Synty', they're just looking for fun games to play
i dont even think about if someone made the assets or not i judge the gameplay but for me when i make games i do like to make some of the assets myself but most people working solo cant do all of it bc that would take forever
There's no point in reinventing the wheel. Not everyone can be a 3D modeler, sound designer, coder, etc. Even if you can be, if someone else did it and possibly did it at the same level you could or better, then use it.
I agree that buying an asset and directly releasing it without changes can be called an asset flip, but - correct me if I'm wrong - I always thought an asset flip was to have a game (or prototype or ready-to-go package from the store), replace the assets with new ones and re-release the exact same game with just different themes again and again and again... like having a match-3 game, releasing it with a sweets-theme, then re-releasing the same game with an animals-theme, then with a medieval-theme, then with a space-theme... or is that something else? No offence here, I might be wrong ;-)
Personally I have a mix: a decent portion of my game is assets (like UI graphics, effects, sounds) while I also do some modeling myself... not the best modeling in the world, but I'm also still learning ;-)
That would be a reskin which yes I guess is a kind of asset flip. Basically it comes down to, are you using assets to make a quick buck or bring your vision to life?
@@CodeMonkeyUnity Ah yes, your're right: reskin fits better to what I described, but it can be used in combination with asset flipping.. then it's truly despicable ;-)
To those asking for even more clarification if you somehow need it I think code monkey here did a great job explaining it
You can use assets just add some originality of some kind like functionality gameplay and a map you can even use auto materials from the asset store if you want just don’t take it and upload it and you should be okay just add a spin and use these as building blocks not the game itself
I'm working on a shenmue/yakuza game by myself and I have no modeling skills so I have to use paid resources if I want this game to see the light of day soon.
I'm an avid asset flipper! (I alter them and make them my own) Because I want to actually finish games in my free time :D
The games that get called asset flips often lack creativity, use mismatched styles, and have crappy game play.
I've seen soooo many games coming out lately using synty asset packs. They're amazing packs, I can't blame them. The thing that I've realized is, no one outside of developers notices or cares. Synty makes a fantastic product and other than developers (aka 99% of players) have no idea that these are asset packs, or even what asset packs are for that matter.
The assets I mostly want to use have a lot of code, or things like character controllers (why reinvent the wheel). I’m more of an artist and would love to be a good at code… but when I look at the code in something like Corgi Engine or even the Unity demo games (2D/3D), I have to be honest with myself and know I will never be that good at coding (and don’t want to be- it’s too hard for me). I think an artist making their art into a game with Corgi Engine is definitely not an asset flip.
A computer is basically a hardware flip, isn't it?
I mean, at least you could do some modifications to the gpu or cpu or learn from the manufacturer to rebuild it yourself to make your computer look a little bit more unique, otherwise your computer is just bad...
As long as the game is fun I don't really care. I use assets from the store for my game that I bye because frankly they are pretty damn amazing and would do a better job than I would do while I'm still new
question. can i use bought assets for a crypto game web3.0. None of the bought assets used will be sold as nft.
What about using a template that covers the things like first person controlling and event systems is that considered cheating? (im just wondering)
If you want to make games with the 3d assets made yourself, I advice make a low-poly or blocky style game. this will minimize the time needed to build each model and it will put less stress on the development of the game because you can fix each model easily in real time. The texture just depends on your skill making a texture. Though in some time you might not be able to make specific assets by your own, and at that point you can just replace it with some assets.
No Plan B reminds me of the game Frozen Synapse
I loved Frozen Synapse! Reminds me that I haven't played the sequel yet, need to find the time!
What about avoiding stolen assets on the asset store...how do I know if the assets are safe to use.
You could check who is the publisher, most publishers have many assets and they usually have some sort of Twitter account where you can verify who they are
@@CodeMonkeyUnity Just saying, because I purchased asset off the asset store and the only way I found out they were stolen is bc when I tried to DL them after my prototype was down, Unity would not let me DL them. I found out after doing research that the same author was part of a group selling World of Warcraft! assets. And because my purchase was after the Unity return deadline, I never got any notification from Unity or got a refund. I don't think Twitter would have protected me from that.
Agreed! I don't really understand on why is it such a big deal for a commercial game to use assets from the asset store?
Personally I feel that these assets are built to help indie developers like me who don't happen to be an artist. I've a descent experience in coding and programming, not all of us have the skills or ability required to do sculpt, model, design or rig stuffs. My expertise is in programming. You know, I've been dreaming of developing a game that can fascinate people since my childhood! I just could not focus or work on it due to hectic work schedules and priorities. So if I did the art work all by myself then the game would neither look nearly as good, nor would the game come out at any decent timeline. If I hired someone for the job then that would cost me way more than the assets from asset creator, and also may not look as good, and take a long time too anyway. And again the people who compIain don't understand that not all of us are rich enough to be able to afford someone for the job. I mean it's also not at all feasible for a developer from developing nation like me that survive on a meagre salary. I've also written and posted a bunch of codes on Github under MIT licence (at free of cost) that are being used over and over! Which is understandable. Not all of us have programming skills or are hard core programmers. Likewise I’m not an artist. What I fail to understand is when the codes can be used over and over, then why is there any restriction on art works? How can they also label such a game an asset flip? This should not be a problem as long as the asset creator is willing to share or sell their asset. As long as all the requirements of the creators are fulfilled. I really find it hard to understand the logic. Even programmers put in lots of efforts into game, except for it is not visible from outside. So labelling the game as without effort just because it's not evident from outside makes absolutely no sense. Even different version of windows, linux, blender, maya, zbrush or office suite application have also used same code over and over, again and again. Even the theme remains the same for years. Even the developers of steam website have used Jquery JS library in their frontend “as it is”. Thanks a lot for addressing this topic and making a video on it! It was informative and interesting to watch. I really appreciate it. I mean it's good to know that there are people out there who have same opinion as me. BTW you’ve an amazing communication skill.
Found your channel from reddit recommendation on my Gmail and subscribed to it immediately! You're doing a great job!
actually small devs in the past used open source tools to make 3D or they would buy license to engines. But even back then there wasnt assest flipping. To be indie you had to be a dev, if you work alone you had to code, make the assests, do the marketing. But the reason people dont respect assest flipping is because its too easy for non devs to buy the parts, put them together, and pay someone to code the gameplay. To be an indie dev today, if you dont work in teams then you are commiting to do it all yourself. Thats what it means to be a solo developer. Originality.That means coding, modeling, level design and marketing. So imagine a person that develops for a whole year to upload their game on markets full of people that just bought the game. Assest flipping is not only dishonest, but its like cheating on a test and missing out on learning. A dev should only be buying small assests for thier project, not relying on someone to do all their npcs, or their UI system, or thier level designs. A lot of people see how accessable gaming is, but most arent a jack of all trades. Some are artists, some are coders, some are animators, and they all want to make an entire game on their own. For the long run, theyre better of working in their own field than commiting to be a solo dev. In the end, assest flipping only hurts you to be a better dev. I taught myself how to code, how to do 3D modeling, how to animate, how to level design. So theres no excuse if youre really serious of being an indie dev. I even share some free assests here and there, but NEVER am I going to give out a whole collection because I believe in giving assest to help peoples project , not so people can cheat by assest flipping.
hi codemonkey, i am currently learning game development and i want to learn that when we move between scene i want to persist all of thing like, which coin i collected, which enemy i killed and when i return then this thing should not generate again. i tried singleton pattern things but not good for persisting data. and i want my player spawn position close to door like in metrovania games but when i went to previous level i start with default position. Help me please i am really stuck here
The simplest way is with a static field, it will persist through scene loads
Yeah, i have a Dragon Tiger Asset and i tought it was only visuals, but then i saw that it Had a sick Controller, idk If i should use it, making my own Controller would Not be soo good Like in the Pack but it feels cheating to use all the Attack, death,fly,move and soo in stuff in the Controller
What about AAA graphics assets for example environments very specific buildings like a church or temple or some interiors. if someone use those assets and some other use too eventually players aware this. Am i right?
Not sure exactly what you mean, but big studios like Activision and Ubisoft reuse assets all the time, they don't model every single gun from scratch for every single game, no one notices or is bothered by it
Are all asset (free and paid) from asset store can be used for commercial purposes without attribution?
You need to check the license that you're buying but by default yes
there's something else to be consider using assets, Using assets in your game/learning is ok also agree on not doing assets flip.
But using same assets from different developer in multiple games to often this is a problem, in this video i saw the same assets multiple times, As a player/developer this give me a felling that I'm playing the same game but with minor changes and get bored
from the first look even is the game was perfect(this is a personal opinion), don't get me wrong i"m not saying no to using Assets
but not the way that make the assets lose it's appearance.
i dislike using assets in my games for several reasons..the most important one beeing they are not custom made for the given project and can thus not fit perfectly onto it design wise...
however they are incredibly useful if you want to test out and Artstyle or Prototype...even if you like the assets buy them and deconstruct them...see how they are build and learn from it until you can make it yourself
Does anybody know if visual assets (models, materials, etc...) are used often apart from personal projects and very small indie games? Utilities and scripting tools no doubt are used extensively. And I'm not expecting AAA games to be using assets, but would some of the more popular indie games?
i know a small number of people working in the AAA games industry. To my knowledge, they don't use 3rd party visual or audio assets, and don't even re-use from other games they made. But one part that makes them AAA games is that they have the budget and art directors, etc. to get everything custom-made to specification.
this gives me confidence to buy packs from kitbash3D or any other kitbash in general.
Is it better to make the A* Pathfinding myself for AI, or buy the asset online?
with well known algorithms like that, there are dozens of free implementations already. Try some of those then decide if you really need a better one for your project. The best paid astar has incredible performance, but most games don’t need it