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- The Doctor, Claire and Jericho try to keep the Angels at bay - images and all - while also seeking some answers!
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One of the faults with the writing of the weeping angels is they complicated their rules. Blink was perfect because it was simple but effective
And then SCP-173 appeared, having the same simple rule.
Yes. Flesh and Stone and all future retcons should not have happened imo
idk, personally I quite like how they seemed almost supernatural after The Time of Angels
@@a_cats yeah, I do like that. I do also kinda like the "image of an angel becomes an angel", but I feel it needs more clarification
I agree. The final episode with Amy and Rory was technically good, but it made the Angels more human (being farmers, for Christ’s sake), and they worked so much better when their killings were random and their overall natures were mysterious.
The Weeping Angels are definitely one of the better monsters to come out of the show's 2000s revival 😊
I'd say the whole show.
And yet they were completely misused in this episode
@@blipus8711 they were great in this episode.
@@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg not at all. The best part was the house stalking, but giving them the power to restore a drawing through concrete walls is daft, as one example. Having them be controlled by the Timelords is stupid. Having them transform the Doctor into an angel for transport is also stupid
@@blipus8711 sounds like you just wanted to hate it. Can't reason with that, you'd made up your mind before the story started.
I like that this episode makes good use of the Angel lore while nicely demonstrating the limits to ideas such as "an image of an angel becomes an angel".
You know you say it like it's this is the 1st time they mention this...
@@XWBgaming Nah, I'm saying they took the established lore and de-cluttered the overcomplicated bits in a way that serves storytelling.
Like the angel drawing, TV, the TARDIS appearance via Yaz's phone and the image in the medium's mind requiring effort for the respective Angels and all leading to different scenes of struggles instead of immediately being "full" Angels.
Exploring this in these ways and visibly limiting it helps with how it previously seemed like interesting and sensible but very tacked-on and complicated bits of information about them, imo. It's a servicable package here.
great now I need high levels of amnesiacs wheres the nearest SCP facility
@@SWSe2 if you have a nightmare because of a weeping angel, you become one? This kind of cluttered it. the only way to KILL the immortal angels is to essentially make them stare at each other. and if their view eventually becomes obstructed they return. this episode just wanted to re-animate the weeping angles by giving them something they didn't need, thus creating plot holes. If I remember an angel I'm an angel? If I have a dream, I become one? too many plot holes created by one line.
@@gravelordniko4674 The line you're talking about is from 2010, not from this episode.
The episode also doesn't say that about memories/nightmares. Remembering doesn't have to be the same/similar to a premonition - its fuzzy perception vs a supernatural vision. But that's up to anyone's own interpretation.
We do know that something similar happens when looking into an angels eyes from the 2010 two parter though. Whch is once again why my argument is: This episode took the complicated lore and made sensible use of it while limiting these things a bit. :)
"A rogue weeping angel on the run from other angels hiding in the mind of a human." Really nice reflection of the Fugitive Doctor here
A Rouge Wolf 🐺 on the Run And Hiding from Other Wolves 🐺 and In the Mind of a Time Lord know as a Savior of the Universe The Doctor
Because wolves 🐺 and the Humans are Like Friends and be Enemies like The Doctor and The Master
Crying for Help From the Doctor’s Trauma and Wolf’s 🐺 Trauma for Years and kill by the Loved One like Kate
If a vision of an angel can allow an angel to enter you... why wouldn't a memory do the same? Would mean that angels can just inhabit you, the moment you saw one of them. And shouldn't a vision of an angel rather mean that it has to stand still, because you are observing it?
Shhhhh. Let’s not think to hard on the potential plot holes of a time travel show
Most people dont remember things that vividly, many dont remember literal images at all, but iirc it was a bad idea to stare at an angels face for this exact reason. If you remember a face too well, they start killing you
When you remember something, you remember when you last thought about it over and over again. Thats why memories fade and muddle, im guessing some principal of that works on this
I imagine there's a distinct difference between hallucinating an angel (or in this somewhat similar case, having a vision of), and a memory
easy, a vision is a memory you have never had, a memory is a reminiscence of your past
Say what you want about how amazing the old school who villains were, but the Weeping Angels were scary as balls when they first showed up in Blink. It's a shame they kept using them and they lost their horror factor a bit.
a similar argument could be made of most old school who villains. Daleks were terrifying when they first appeared.
well still a perfect kind killer. They dont kill you but they do by removing and relpacing you in the timeline. They still are scary. No one knows what they truely look like without the curse in effect.
@@rockstermaniac yes I should have specified that old school who villains were much scarier than modern who villains, but the Weeping Angels were an exception because they garnered the same horror factor as the old villains.
@@TheFlowerday96 to my understanding, its not a curse is it? just a defense mechanism. They become near indestructible to anything looking at them, making them the perfect hunters
Agreed.
This is one of the episodes that made the Weeping Angels scary again. Over time, I had the impression that they have been used extensively and also too much had been added to their abilities. This episode makes a step back to the classic version.
Nah, there is many loopholes, I mean if vision counts the memory counts, how many had witness those statues, this means that the angels would have ruled the world and the doctor is already possesed
@@jeffxu8789 Yeah it's fucked
@@jeffxu8789
Actually, no. Weeping Angel's can only manifest via a psychic connection, like a psychic premonition, or a physical image, like in drawings or on TV screens; plain old memories of Angels aren't good enough.
@@jeffxu8789 i think could be explained that it was a psychic vision as compared to a memory which can become muddled
@@pendragon0905 like the tv screens they used to keep an eye on the angels?
My favourite part was them actually trying to get in by ringing the bell
🤣🤣🤣
I mean it is worth a try. you gotta stay civilized especially if you are stranger to the World you find yourself in
Never thought that any Weeping Angel would have a way communicated to anybody. Great that they can do that.
They did during a Matt episode
Or show mercy human are usually food prey
@@JustVibing4now yes amd matt outeitted them with gravity but they got their revenge taking amy and Rory from him
He tryed saving his friends from the angels but failed doctor is bitter about them
@@JustVibing4now Which episode?
I am genuinely so happy that Jodie got at least a single episode that I consider to be a 10/10, easily the best episode of her era
Honestly Jodie was absolutely fantastic. The writing in her era was pretty iffy, but she was an amazing casting choice.
@@bainbonic Pretty iffy is generous, the writing was shit tier
@@bainbonic I think you mean woke shit-tier writing.
@@tappy8741 Everything woke turns to shit.
@@bainbonic Hopefully in time, additional content will do her rendition justice, just like Colin Baker's Doctor got better material in books and, more recently, his Big Finish performances.
The whole episode was so scary, yet thrilling. And that exchange between the Doctor and the Rogue Angel... ultimately intense and atmospheric, especially when the latter mentions Division. 😱
😱
@John no
What's the Division? Sorry never seen the show 😅
Boring
The wording seems to have become less eliquent. We went from "That which hold the image of an angel, becomes itself an angel." to "That which contains the image of an angel, is an angel." It's a small thing but it kind of shifts the beauty of the Doctors words and the process of how an angel takes over. It isn't that Claire IS an angel, she is in the process of BECOMING an angel.
I don't like how they overcomplicated the angels. Simply having them only being able to move when people couldn't see them was good enough, this weird method of creating or transforming into an angel is too much.
Humans transforming into angels have been around since the Matt smith days. (SPOILER) Amy Pond was turning into an angel in The Time of Angels.
@@VISTlNAL true but I still think it's overdone regardless of when it was introduced
@@VISTlNAL Amy had the image trapped in her eye, she wasn't turning into one.
@@Bartimayus incorrect. She was literally turning into stone.
@@Bartimayus not true. The angel was turning her into one but the doctor stopped that by happening when the let the angels fall into the hole.
Why would the angels be grouping in organisations in the first place in order to have a 'rouge' one? I thought they were supposed to be 'the loneliest creatures in the universe'.
Yup, since they've been trapped before because they saw each other. So one Angel looking at another (such as them coming into the door) means they have locked the other Angel from being able to move. Traveling in a group essentially means they've wiped out their own species.
got a point there I didn't think about that But wait if simply blinking can cause the angel to move but a weeping angel's eyes are permanently opened Then they would be stuck there unless someone else broke the eye contact? There's a lot going on there I mean we are trying to make sense of a time-traveling TV series soo
This episode (and this series) looked incredible. This era's visuals have been on another level entirely.
The budget was higher for Chibnall's run. Likely due to being less episodes. Shame the writing wasn't as good though.
@@samstocker6450It was always going to be an uphill battle given how Moffat's final 2 series are probably the best in the show's history. But still, "the writing" is absolutely nowhere near as bad as most people make out.
This Era? Bud, the Era hasn't changed in over 2000 years.
Weeping Angels one of the most creepy monsters in this tv show
In my opinion the whole idea of the Vashta Narada is still extremely scary, and I had alot of bad dreams after those episodes when I was a kid.
@@awsomewe360 So much so that the Vashta Narada have never reappeared since. Its understandable too because they were essentially an unbeatable foe.
Still think the Gas Mask child was the single creepiest Dr Who "monster". Gave me nightmares for weeks as a kid. Angels are a close second.
“They are an extraction squad.. for the Division” literal chills 😭
Having watched all of "Flux" that line makes a lot more sense now. I had no clue what the "Division" was when this aired. I highly recommend binge watching "Flux" on a weekend afternoon. Watching all the episodes one after another makes the whole story so much better and so much more cohesive.
You can literally hear the fear in that Angel's voice. That's something.
@John Don’t gatekeep
ISAAC: "Rogue Angel detected".
@John Real Fans have metal blades and spin around really fast!
Best story to come from S13, and that’s pretty…much…it. If only Jodie was given more scripts like this!!!
Chibnail clearly felt that his time is ending and decided to compensate for what he did earlier.
@@misterwolf3817 😂😂 I completely agree.
@@misterwolf3817 Just like RTD with Series 4 and Moffat with Series 10.
@@tokublwhovian I think that Series 4 Finale was faar weirder than others. Well, for 10th... you are right.
@John Go watch Jodie in Attack The Block, Black Mirror, Broadchurch and Trust Me. She ain’t that bad, like y’all make her out to be.
The way she said “Brilliant, made it worse” was just so dr who lol
I like this for the premise that not all Weeping Angels are evil and murderous. They are a sapient species, and should have individuals who are different from the norm.
you sound like the people that complained all orcs in lord of the rings are evil
By this logic seeing an angel would keep the image of the angel in your head. This ignored what happened in previous doctors encounters.
I loved the black and white scenes in this episode I wish they would do an episode like it.
"Their greatest asset is their greatest curse" - 10th Doctor
*Lights angel image on fire*
"Oh no made it worse!"
One of the best episodes of this era, and easily the scariest the Angels have been since they first appeared. Maybe even scarier than that.
Well they wanted the doctor in the past be sacrificed hmm seperated Rory amd amy from his life grabed river songs Hand were is bad blood between the doctor and them and now turning the doctor into a weeping Angel
If THIS is one of the best episodes then i can see why the shows viewership has been tanking…
One of the biggest faults of the 13th is she explains everything to no one, or she explains things that don't need to be explained until later
Also they don't care they just want to run
5:07 perfect example
Nothing in cinema can send chills through my bones like weeping angels.
It was nice to enjoy Doctor Who again, even for one episode.
War of the Sontarans was pretty good.
Blink was a brilliant episode and they should never have used the Weeping Angels again. They diluted them with over use.
Agreed
You're definitely right, but it's hard to blame them for wanting to use them again either.
*"Nobody Loves Village Of The Angels More Than Me!"*
i do
Nobody likes soup more than me!!!
@@a_cats you dare challenge me!
@@rachaelwilloughby8263 Wanna join me evil Dan gang?!
I'll fight you on that
First the angels were scary.
Then they were only pretending to be statues when they _thought_ someone was looking at them.
And now they have politics.
Intriguing story, but it completely ruins the original concept.
The episode is so good. The weaping angels are so scary again. ❤❤
The weeping angels are the best they don’t use them very often like maybe six episodes I think so together maybe five but I can still watch blink and be really scared it’s one of the best episodes of the new doctor who love it
4:06 the angels hand moves (the arm thats touching claire).
Loved this episode! The weeping angels always give us the scare we need and the scare we deserve
To be fair, they have lived since the dawn of the univers so it's possible that at least one isn't a serial killer.
If the Rogue-Angel might still be alive; Than I think it would be great if it reappears in a few episodes of either the Fourteenth Season, or the Fifteenth Season of (DOCTOR WHO) show series.
So good 😀😊 real doctor who fans know weeping angels is not just about blinking we've seen this before in past ep where they tried to occupy someone by touching them turning them capturing them I think all stories deserve a good upgrade making them occupy the mind is amazing cause after all they have psychological effects on humans eg. Amy
@John you really told them "Real Doctor Who fans watch less Doctor Who"
@@a_cats real fans are not passive consumers
@@_zqn I agree and I personally don't like the Chibnall era either but watching it and enjoying it doesn't make you a fake fan.
@@a_cats if you like seeing a story being instrumentalized and destroyed for politics then enjoy
@@_zqn I've seen earlier stories that were way more political but most people (including me) enjoyed them more. Oxygen, for example. Regardless of politics, I think the problem is that Chibnall is not a good writer but I won't accuse people that disagree with me of being fake fans.
3:39 loving that it looks like Dr Who is using a Vulcan mind meld
I feel like the older episodes when the weeping Angels were first introduced where meant to be scary these new ones are more like an action movie like good guy vs bad guy
"Blink and you are dead" Now behold!
The image of the Angel that's also a projector!
I think they made the weeping angels too complicated. You need like two whole pages of the script to explain how they work.
Wasn’t it a bad idea to stare into the eyes of a weeping Angel or was that only an issue the beginning
I think they should have a Doctor who marathon, this time just play the episode with all the weeping Angels in it and that's it.
Ok…. But doesn’t that mean the memory of an angel becomes an angel? This is becoming out of hand
No you can’t really remember exactly what the angels look like to the last minute detail and memories become muffled so eventually you’ll forget what they look like
Honestly, the weeping angles possess one of the most craziest ability of all time
The ability to clone themselves through the images and drawings of the angles itself
If Angels are Quantum-locked, wouldn't a surveilance system technically immobilize them for as long as it's kept active?
Only if they are being observed through said surveillance system. Because when they are not observed, the surveillance image slowly becomes an angel, as "That which holds the image of an angel, becomes itself an angel".
I really love the weeping Angel the concept is just great.
weeping angles make no sense now i mean if you encounter one that is bound to cause to deep rooted trauma and that which holds the image of an angle is an angle. if you met one irl then youre doomed forever unless you get dimentia or somehow forget about it.
You missed a key word in there… it’s “that which holds an image of an angel ‘could’ become an angel” not “will/is”. So with that in mind, there is a chance that you actually won’t become one.
Also their defence mechanism implies that there was something hunting them, or trying to kill them in such a way that quantum locking was the only way to keep them alive. That leads to one question, what in the name of sanity would a Weeping Angel consider a predator?
This was like watching flesh and stone when it first came out
I don't know anything about Doctor Who whatsoever but this is supremely interesting and the ladies are amazing to watch. Love the first glimpse of the female Doctor I've seen
Consensus seems to be she acted well but had bad writing
I never got why a ultra level genius like the doctor never thought of blinking with one eye at a time. Close lefty open then close righty then open repeat. Problem solved
Sadly not solved, just delayed. You eventually blink
the old guy literally had one job that he kept failing over and over again.
definitely my favorite 13th doctor episode
Never got how anything that looks like an angel is an angel.
The original concept has been quite expanded it seems. Don’t feel bad, it made the most sense in Blink.
The character of Jericho intrigues me. By that one line about being one of the first soldiers entering Belsen at the end of the war says a lot about him, having seen one of the worst things mankind has ever done to itself. At the time of its liberation, Belsen had around 60,000 people in there, barely alive, and something like over 10,000 bodies left out in the open. When he says the angels don't scare him, he means it. Perhaps that is what inspired him to take up studying the mind, because he wanted to learn just what could compel a human being to want to inflict such suffering on that scale, maybe even try and understand psychic abilities, because if those in those camps could make their captors experience what they have gone through, it might prevent another such tragedy again.
B4 Spock could 'mind-meld', The Doctor was ALREADY perfecting this ability..!!!
Weeping Angels are great. I find them scarier than Daleks and Cybermen. I hope they find away back into the show.
What happens if a weeping angel looks Medusa in the eyes? Is the angels stoned permanently, or does it survive through Medusa’s eyes and kill like like the almost did Amy?
"A weeping angel needs my help? I don't think so."
What person wouldn't think to mention the fact that parts of their body have began turning to stone? That's like suddenly going blind and just ignoring it.
JERICHO STOP LOOKING AWAY😭😭😭
I liked his character. I wish his final fate had been better.
This episode was really good
@John yeah, it was. And you know it was.
@John Of course it was a good episode
hold up, if the angel is in her mind it should be 100% nullified because shes constantley observing it.
I totally forgot i missed an entire season of dr who 😂
13 is considered a bad number to many people, 13 is when I believe Doctor Who went downhill.
I don't think 12 is as bad as a lot of people say, and 11 was probably my favorite doctor.
The XIII card of the Major Arcana in the Tarot is Death.
Respectfully, there's absolutely nothing wrong with Jodie as 13. She put down a decent Doctor. It's not her fault her story arch and the writing were both below par. She had episodes that wouldn't have misstood as a 10- or 12-episode. I saw bad writing and stupid stories also in the 9, 10, 11 and 12 eras. Jody had also many positive qualities none of the other Doctors had. She was fragile and surprisingly down-to-Earth (mostly resembling 9 and 11), but many times she had a commanding presence not to be trifled with (more often like 10 and 12). I really, really loved her take on the Doctor, even though she's not my favourite doctor.
Thank God RTD is back
So a time lord can do mind melting now?
Ubisofts Legal Department would like to have a word with the Division.
They're going to send their own extraction squad to collect the fine for breaching copyright laws!
I will say I watched this with my 9 year old sister and she was covering her eyes I thought it was funny. She was really scared
@@jamesmayle3787 thank you, I’m a Christian already and thank you for reminding me to check my heart to make sure if there’s any unforgivness, I want none of that. I only want to forgive! God bless you!
can anyone explain to me who this division is and their connection to the angels is?
2:40 Did not expect them to mention the camps here.
Every time I see weeping angel episodes it feels like there a parasite that’s always evolving
Never seen the show. I'm intrigued now.
I am really curious how well she did as the Doctor. It's a pretty cool concept tbh. I have to check out the NuWho.
If anything that has a angel on it turns to a angel we all have Angel's either attacking us or in our minds so guys dont blink or try to get the statue out
But those angels are the most terrifying Doctor Who creatures next to the living shadows
@@jamesmayle3787 There are over 100 religions so he’s one of over 100 gods or the son of a god which God is real which God should we worship who’s religion is right
@@jamesmayle3787 Shut up
I just came here to say that at 4:03 and onwards, the modified voice of Claire sounds just like Kim Wexler from Better Call Saul. When I first watched it it really bugged me.
So basically. The ultimate staring contest. Could this work with an animal without eyelids? Could you get two angels into a very long staring contest? I also haven’t seen any doctor who media (save for like 2 clips some years ago)
"Mr Gibbs, care to explain why is my ship gone?"
"The angels took it, sir."
"I know that. I know who took it. And don't think I don't."
a new definition for exposition
We need a Doctor Who/SCP crossover. Pretty please.
The SCP community often refers to the Doctor who series in different places, but it is all but confirmed that 173, the original is based on the weeping angels, as it was written about 2 months after the Weeping Angels first aired.
Me who has seen like 3 episodes total of this show: HOOKED
I saw it on your book, the weeping angels
Plant claymore > Turn Around and Run > Roll Credits
Best Flux episode
how have i missed this episode
One of the best episode🤩
Man had one job. Keep eyes on the screen 😂
Okay, can we all just agree. Burning Weeping Angel= terrifying
Nowadays you have to stand on one leg while balancing 5 plates on your head while using your peripheral vision to stare at their forehead on a tuesday
Makes no sense at all
Wait, wasn't the Division introduced during the series finale of The Class?
The old man kept looking away from the tv causing more angels to appear. He’s the smarted idiot in the room
The weird thing is they can crawl through the tv like the grudge so why didn’t they.
"They are an Extraction Force... for The Division!"
"Darn it, I hate math!"
"Not that kind of division you idiot!!!"
Angels be like : ''They are the extraction squod mate''
Dr. Who makes a mindmeld to Claire.
While I don’t like the newer series i do like that they remembered that little tidbit.
This is my first time seeing this Doctor and woof the acting is real rough.
Did they pay the writers to be extra terrible, or is that just their nature talent?