Kubo Reveals NEW DETAILS on AIZEN'S POWER, Nnoitra's Zanpakutō, Kidō + More! | Klub Outside Q&A
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- In today's video we're discussing the power of Aizen's Kyōka Suigetsu, why Nnoitra's Zanpakutō changed shape, the Kidō Corps, and more!
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Today we've got another instalment of our Klub Outside Q&A Round-up series to look at, and this time the topics include more on Aizen's Kyōka Suigetsu, why Nnoitra's Zanpakutō changed shape, what the Kidō Corps do, and more!
As always, let me know which you find the most interesting and your thoughts on each - enjoy!
Chapters:
Intro - 00:00
Kyōka Suigetsu - 01:23
Why Nnoitra's Zanpakutō changed - 10:10
What the Kidō Corps do - 15:30
Yhwach's Quincy spells - 21:25
Reiko's translations - / reikorun
MShadows' translations - www.fanverse.org/threads/klub...
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Which of the topics did you find the most interesting this time? Does this information make Aizen's Kyōka Suigetsu even more powerful? What other examples of changing Arrancar Zanpakutō are there? Let me know your thoughts on these and more below - thanks everyone!
I don't understand why you think the Aizen answer is a big deal. That's how it works since the beginning, controlling what people see. Unless like you said, he manipulate the photo itself.
I mean, Kubo simply said the person under Complete Hypnosis wouldn't be able to see the "true" image/video, not that a camera would be fooled by it. It seems Aizen's illusions do only work on living beings, but even if someone were to try to use a camera, it would be useless without someone else who isn't under Aizen's sway.
Lol kubo's apologists are the best customers/subscribers anyone can be gifted with. They will buy it even if Kubo simply says "idk, it just is"
I think the question that should have been asked would be “If Someone who is not under Kyoka Suigestu spell only looked at Aizen through technological devices, would they still be susceptible to Kyoka Suigetsu?”
Hey Tommo, this is a question for u or probably more like a lingering thought of mine but have u ever thought of why Yumichika is able to wield a Shikai (Fuji kujaku) which isn't his REAL Shikai but yet he can easily switch to his true Shikai (Ruri'iro Kujaku) and utilize the different abilities of both his real and fake Shikai? I personally like to think that each soul reaper is capable of pulling off a similar feat just as how Ichigo is able to now switch from his original butcher's knife Zangetsu to his dual Zangetsu that we see in tybw. I initially thought of it back when I saw Ichigo training to reach Bankai and Zangetsu summoned a graveyard of different blades and asked Ichigo to find the real Zangetsu. I assume that Yumichika did something similar which lead him to be able to use the 2 forms of his Shikai and also their separate abilities which also leads me to think that its possible for a soul reaper to have various abilities simply by changing the form of their Zanpakto and now that I think about it, Renji pulled off something similar with his original Bankai Hihio Zabimaru and his true Bankai So Oh Zabimaru but what do u think?
I taught Kubo everything he knows
Tite Kubo: Bankai! Souske Aizen.
Aizen who was your favorite gotei member besides yourself, gin and tosen
@@cian239 Mayuri was pretty interesting, but I would have to choose Urahara despite him not going through with his full potential
@@SosukeAizenHogyoku nice nice ok Aizen marry fuck kill: Yoruichi, Rangiku, Unohana
When where you under the impression that you thought him
Aizen: "Since when were you under the illusion...that you understood the full scope of Kyoka Suigetsu's power?"
Kubo is basically doing the same thing to us fans what Aizen did to Shinji lmao.
Everytime a fan asks him anything about Aizen and his ability Kubo just answers "since when....."
still waiting for the day for it to be revealed that Kyoka Suigetsu's power is actually just the ability to retcon anything
The most sassy victim: since day one, cuz that's what you literally told us, you absolute prick
@@GameCyborgCh Book of the End already does that.
I think it's more like this: because they are under the illusion of Kyoka Suigetsu, they are seeing that same illusion depicted on the photograph. If Aizen decided to stop showing them the illusion, they would no longer see it on the photograph because it was never there in the first place.
Thats how I understood it. It's hypnosis, it doesn't create an illusion in reality, it alters the affected persons perception. This would also mean that Aizen should still avoid situations in which his illusion is filmed/photographed, because any third person not under the effect would see the real picture and might notice that there is something off with peoples' perception.
For example, if Soul Society had photography technology and did a proper modern documentation of the crime scene and his body when he faked his death, they would have taken a picture of the body and shown it to the captured Ryoka, the prime suspects, who would've been very confused as to why they're being confronted with a photo that everyone insists has Aizens body on it but literally doesn't. If one of the smarter captains was heading that type of investigation, they would've found that very suspicious.
@@Fusseliko Pardon a little Fanfiction citation but in one story I read, a character had the power of Kyoka Suigetsu and they stated that the ability to alter the senses of many people from a distance meant that the difficulty and power of Kyoka Suigetsu was related to how much its user can divide their attention. Example: I use this comment to put you under Kyoka Suigetsu, I would know what you are seeing, smelling, hearing, tasting, and feeling. Even if you move to close the page, I can see that and make you hit the subscribe button instead with you being none the wiser. You can then to message someone and I would know that might give away Kyoka Suigetsu so I deceive you with an illusion that you are but in reality you are talking to air, unable to properly communicate with anyone what is happening.For every person reading this comment, I have to do the same until my mind cannot take the strain and that is Kyoka Suigetsu's difficulty curb. At least, that is the argument concerning the power and limitations of Kyoka Suigetsu raised by that story I found. I find these power theories I see in different stories quite fascinating like the fact Kyoka Suigetsu's bankai might deceive reality of Aizen's death and no one has killed him so that is why it is unknown.
You explained what I said in my comment so much better.
But, yeah I always assumed it worked this way.
Its kinda why I feel this is actually a Bankai being passed off as his Shikai, and the fake Bankai showed the Lieutenants was actually his Shikai.
I mean if I was Aizen, that kind of bluff would be an incredibly logical ploy.
Yea I don't get why he was so confused, it was really simple to understand.
To answer the question of how a random Shinigami in the 4th division didn't figure out the trick, there is a simple explanation. Aizen said to Sui-feng that he was a teacher at the academy. He was also very popular prior to his betrayal. So it's not a stretch to claim that Aizen gave regular "demonstrations" of how a released Zanpakuto works, thus hypnotizing students who may or may not rise in the ranks of the Gotei.
Knowing him, he made damn sure every member of the gotei 13 was under his influence.
This, aizen mentions that he demonstrated his zanpaktou many times to students and officers for learning purposes so its not too far fetched to believe he eventually hypnotized everyone over a large period of time.
I agree with yall points.
But there is also another fact that "everyone" is a suspect of Aizens death including sqaud members so i highly doubt that any random student is even allowed to be in the same inspection room with Unohana or near the corps.
that is indeed a good factor to consider, if kubo didn't specify he was a caligraphy teacher
@@dinolover He probably mimicked an illusion type power so he could use the excuse of exposing students to his trickery.
like "Hey, my Zanpakuto gets people to fight eachother accidentally, so everyone needs to see it in order to avoid accidents if I ever use it"
The three main villains of the story have the power to change different times basically
Aizen can manipulate/change the present
Tsukishima can change the past
Yhwach can change the future
And you needed two of them to defeat the third which, in my head is masterful long term storytelling
Even more because Jugram was also extremely important when he showed Zangetsu's vision to Yhwach witch led to his defeat.
@felipez3115 fax. I'm of the belief that he tried to warn Yhwach but it backfired completely. But there's also speculation that he showed that vision on purpose to trick Yhwach.
@@kakashihatake1029 It's almost confirmed in CFYOW that Hashwalth showing that vision was in fact his means of betrayal.
Hol up wb ichigo then
@MrGksarathy it definitely was an act of betrayal.. he couldn't outright defy Yhwach... he still had Bazz B's emblem on his sword handle after a 1000 years shows he was still with the plan
Aizen is writing the hell arc rn
Maybe the whole TYBW arc was Aizen’s hypnosis all along, just so he could free himself from prison. lol.
Let him cook!
@@CTomCooper Prison? what prison? He is exactly whre he wants to be
@@CTomCooperhe is not in prison, he is on his throne.
Aizen has planned this
I mean it's called "Complete Hypnosis" not "Perfect Illusion" yeah? I always figured it was all in their head, makes sense that it would affect their perceptions even through mirrors, cameras, etc
just like how your brain ignores you nose. the brain sees what aizen tells it to see, any inconsistencies would just be ignored.
@@NoESanity kkl
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@NoESanity It does raise the question, is Aizen causing you to believe something, or to see something? If it's to see something, I could see cameras and photos invalidating it because the photo isn't what his power is trying to trick you into seeing. If it's belief, then it would and should work through any media. Which itself begs another question. If it is belief based, how was it even possible for Unohana to question Aizen's corpse?
@BlizzardofOze believe. If he was just causing you to see things, people wouldn't be able to do things like perform an autopsy on a dead body.
@@BlizzardofOze Easy. Belive.
Why can Unohana question Aizens s corpse?
Unohana thinks: Aizens brain should look like this->Aizens brain looks like this->Unohana thinks:His stomach should look like this->His stomach looks like this->Unohana thinks: Nothing suprising, weird-> finds something suprising->Unohana thinks: Oh, was i wrong? Lets look at his legs ....Unohana got a weird feeling because everytime she thought about finding something weird, she found something weird, everytime she expacted everything to be normal, everything was normal. Between expactation and reality was no difference. That was something that made her feel like there was something wrong but she didnt know what or why.
Its like you prepare for a intwerview and the interview happens exactly like you prepared for. That is weird. No weird questions, nothing random, nothing unusally. That is weird.
But that doesnt change anything for you or her when fighting Aizen. Even if you know that Aizen fights exactly like you expacted him to fight, doesnt change the fact that you can break out of his hypnosis. If you stop fighting and try to focus or find the real Aizen youi are going to "break out" of Aizens hypnosis and fight the "real Aizen". Meanwhile Aizen is eating an Ice cream while you are fighting the "real Aizen". It is like you are in a dream where you cant wake up from.
Reality is subjective and Aizen’s ability basically allows him full control of what each individual perceives as reality. So this answer given by Kubo perfectly fits in with this description.
Exactly. I don't think there's new revelation from that answer
Exactly, and it's important to note that Kubo says nothing about Aizen directly affecting a camera, simply the victim.
It's not reality but rather the victims and their perception
No reality is not subjective. Wtf?
Basically the second part.
kyoka suigetsu is hypnosis not just illusion, so it always made perfect sense to me that if someone was hypnotized to see x as y then no matter the form that they see it x will always appear as y
Hypnosis is not illusion, it's mind control. Maybe I am missing something but what he said makes sense based on what we've been told and seen already.
Can we all FLOOD Kubo's Club with Kido-Questions!!?
13:14 Imagine if this was Haribel’s outfit in the actual series. This look is amazing.
I think you're overthinking Kyoka Suigetsu's power. If I tell you the lie that my weird shirt costs $200, whether you see it again in person or in a photo/video, you'll still recognize it as the $200 shirt. You've been affected directly. When Aizen faked his murder, Kyoka Suigetsu told everyone the lie of "this is Aizen's corpse." So whether they saw it pinned to the wall, or up-close in an autopsy, or even in a photo, all their senses would be supporting the lie that is Aizen's illusion.
Yeah agreed this is hiw ive always understood it to work. Doesn't if you looking at a picture or the real thing your still using one of your senses to look at it
Perfect 👌
Keep it simple.
I always assumed that if Aizen ever used his Bankai then as a tradeoff for whatever its utterly broken ability undoubtedly is (be that reality warping, trapping an opponent within an illusory world inside their own mind, etc.), then everyone he's ever placed under his Shikai would be released from its effects, like a house of cards falling. Thus Aizen might have to manually place them all back under its hypnosis once again (somewhat like how Soya Azashiro releasing Urozakuro meant that he would have to take the time to slowly fuse himself with all of Seireitei all over again).
I wouldn't even be surprised if Aizen releasing his Bankai permanently rendered everyone already under his Shikai's Hypnosis permanently immune to his Shikai from then on as a consequence (additionally I believe that Aizen's Bankai was implied to only be able work on someone already under his Shikai's Perfect Hypnosis; which if my theory is correct means he could only ever use it on someone once). In other words; once Aizen uses his Bankai, all of his illusions come to an end.
This makes the most sense to me as a sort of "counterbalance" to the fact that anyone placed under Aizen's Shikai will permanently remain under its influence, regardless of how much time has passed. So for Aizen, he might simply have no real need to use his Bankai outside of some extremely specific, nice circumstance (especially given how useful Kyoka Suigetsu was to his plans), somewhat like how Yoruichi is stronger fighting with Hakuda than using her Zanpakuto at all. It must be a final, last ditch trump card for Aizen.
Fully agreed. If Shikai is the ideal self and Bankai is the true self, then his Shikai reflects the slow-burn master of deception and control that Aizen wants to be, and his Bankai should reflect that his end goal wasn't to deceive his way onto the throne, but to punch a hole in the sky and fistfight the entire Zero Division by himself until he got to the Soul King. That would also fit his changes under the power of the Hogyoku. He didn't gain more illusion power, he just gained more and more raw strength.
That’s What I Thought Too. His Bankai (Like Shinji) Isn’t Too Useful For Him
It might even be a reversal bankai. Aizen is very egotistical and grandiose, so it's not crazy to think his bankai influences him to see whatever he wants even if it's not there, a reverse complete hypnosis in which aizen locks himself in a world in which his reality is constantly changing. This is why Aizen is so methodical and plan heavy cause if he misuses his bankai then he could screw himself.
Ooh I like that a lot! Plus it would be in line for why he never used his Bankai since it would undo his plans by releasing everyone from the Shikai.
This is a really excellent idea that perfectly rationalizes why he has never used his bankai
4:30 i think you're misunderstanding. The photo still shows the truth. It's just that the hypnotized person sees the illusion anyway, whatever the illusion happened to be. If someone not under the Suigetsu looks at the photo, they see the truth.
The idea of not even outside sources can tell the truth while under Kyoka Suigetsu does make sense. Think about it, if Aizen comtrols all your senses then trying to *see* an outside source for the truth could mean he could just show you whatever he needs you to see to keep up the act. In theory though, as you pointed out, the photo would probably change to show what it should be showing.
i've always been so AMAZED by the kido/hado incantation chant. I found them very dark, and impactful.
(gotta love that full incantation of kurohitsugi by Aizen hahaha!)
It would just be an illusion on the screen. It controls your senses, so it would apply to the camera. The person still has to look at it. It controls them, not everything else.
Exactly. It's not hard. The video being SEEN is still using one of the 5 senses KS controls
Considering that his power could affect the Almighty's vision I'm not suprised that it can work on digital mediums as a person's senses are still used to perceive said media.
Kido is under-appreciated in the series as a whole, but it isn’t slept on as bad as some people think.
I remember being extremely fascinated when Isane used a Kido spell to tell everyone that Aizen was the traitor.
The paint on the arms, the chants for the spell, and the lights that appear when it’s finished; it has such a cool, mystical vibe that no shikai or Bankai can quite replicate.
Kido feels like actual magic when it’s done well.
Tentenkura right?
edit no lol i got it wrong haha after looking it up it was Tenteikura Bakudo #77
@@Force-Multiplier Yeah that one. That’s a bit of a toughy to remember off the top of your head.
I agree that is pretty cool but it's not paint that she uses to write on her arms it's blood😳
@@mikehazel9991 Her own blood or?…..
Yup, it shows impact as to put some difficulty to convey message telepathically across soul society especially in distress emergency times.
Dunno if you've pointed this out before, but (at least to my lights) Grimmjow's black claws are seemingly an extension of hierro. You can see the same effect on Ichigo's hands when he goes full hollow and grabs Ulquiorra's lanza with his bare hands!
Kyoka Suigetsu's power isn't really based on illusions at all, it's power is hypnosis, it makes the affected victims mind see what he wants them to see, unaffected viewers don't see anything different because there's no illusion outside of the victims mind. If you think about it this way the picture/video thing makes sense, their mind has been told through the hypnosis to ignore that scene and replace it with whatever Aizen wanted, it doesn't matter weather you're looking at it first hand or looking at it through a screen, your mind is still overriding what your eyes see with what it was hypnotized to see instead.
Exactly
The crazy thing being that Aizen can make multiple people see the same thing, as long as he uses some kind of basis in the form of a person or object that he can connect to the "illusion".
That is usually the weakness of something like hypnosis, but not for Aizen.
Aizens reveal has to be the best twist since the Sixth Sense
I think what Kubo meant was the photo doesn't change itself, but the perception of the photo would if your under his effect
@12:52 That manga art of Nnoitra's zanpakuto looks symbolic.
As for Grimmjow's 'black hand', he was able to manipulate and focus more of that hollow reiatsu on his hand to back stab a weakened Askin while in his resurrected form. Plus he also gained some kind of immunity to certain poison due to his experience with 'Death dealing'.
And with his CYFOW feats, he is one character to watch out in Hell arc.
Kyoka Suigetsu, at least at 4:24, is not broken at all, and Kubo's explanations make perfect sense.
We can imagine Kyoka Suigetsu working as some kind of reality lense; a layer of sorts that is placed over someone's consciousness. Because of this, everything the person experiences will be subject and affected by the Illusion by default.
Powerful, but reasonable.
Kyoka Suigetsu:
- I always found it clear that it affects the persons mind directly. It is about the only way the illusion would not work on Ichigo - his mind was never properly "tagged" to be affected.
- Captain Aizens corpse was _of course_ under guard. He was a murder victim and a captain. You don't let "random nurses" into the same room!
His corpse would also be transported while covered to maintain his dignity. Probably in one of those covered carriers. And not by some random smucks, but a dedicated group.
Just some basic knowledge of the Soul Societies captain corpse transport and murder investigation procedure and some aimed exposure of Kyoka Suigetsu covers that.
- the photo already taken would change, if Aizen wants the photo to change. Seeing a photo is not different then seeing the person directly. He can probably choose if he only wants to affect "current image" or "all depictions", to maintain continuity. With the former being much easier.
- I want to re-itterate, that the only reason it is that broken is his power.
Soifons marks used to "disappear after a while". You can bet Aizens Suigetsu marks did as well. And it probably did not cover all senses from the start. But he has simply outgrown that power level.
Noitoras Zankatou:
- "Most captains control the size of ther Zanpaktou. Otherwise, they would have to wield swords the size of Skyscrapers".
Most Espada probably do the same. Only Noitora and Barragan seem like they wanted to "let loose" a bit here. Resulting in unwieldy weapons.
But personally I think that is a sign of weakness/not fully accepting the Shinigami transformation.
Kido Corp:
- Why the secrecy? You mean besides spells that _literally stop time_ in a limited area?
Some of their Kido are probably like nuclear secrets - you don't want them to proliferate!
Consider that Aizen was still using "Hado 90 - Kurohitsugi" even in his moth form. Just think how much worse he would have been with access to secret and forbidden Kido.
Secrets Tessai would not even teach Kisuke for the fights.
Secrets like how to curse a clan to half-wolf hood?
- It makes sense that all the numbered Kido spells are from them. Those a the "standartized stuff" you can teach in the Academy.
But in turn, they don't have Zanpaktuo.
- Kisuke and Ichibei might be on the level where they can invent Kido on their own.
But it is also likely the Kido Corp was the original army of the soul king, before the Zanpaktuo were forged, so at least their Captain had "visitation rights/duties".
Someone put up a self-regenerating 30+ layer barrier around the soul kings palace.
The KS stuff makes sense to me because it’s the INDIVIDUAL that it’s hypnotizing. Didn’t realize it was taken as a general illusion. So even video wouldn’t work. Also the research division has cameras and video screens so I’d assume Aizen is aware since we can even see him monitoring Ichigo from them.
i think the problem lies in thinking of aizens ability in terms of the phisical changes it makes (i.e. changing what someone sees in a photo). While i cant speak towards the passive control or lack of control that aizen has over the after effects of the illusion, i can say that aizens ability doesnt effect the phisical world, but rather the perception of it. This means that his ability is akin to mind control. The only difference is that he affects perception and not desicion making.
This doesn't seem like it should be a big surprise, Kyoka Suigetsu acts by manipulating your senses, if you take a picture of something you've still got to use your eyes to look at it, nothing has changed there
This was my first thought too. Even if the image captures reality, between the picture and our eyes lies our individual perception which is directly commanded by Kyoka Suigetsu
Kyoka Suigetsu doesn't manipulate your sense. it manipulates your brain. it's not a series of illusions or tricks, it's straight up your brain being hypnotised.
@@NoESanity There is literally no difference between these two things, both your sensory organs and your brain are required to perceive things, manipulate one, manipulate them both, it all results in the same thing, idk what the point of this distinction is
@Just_Red_ There is a massive difference. Just watch a movie about fighter jets with your headphones in the wrong ears.
If it was just an illusion of the sense, inconsistencies would be the answer to breaking out.
But because it's hypnosis, there are no inconsistencies.
@@NoESanity inconsistencies with what exactly???
It does make sense that KS still works through external observation equipment since it IS something shinigami have access to. We do see uses of camera footage after all.
When referring to kyoka suigetsu, you should say that it controls all of the senses, which is what aizen actually meant.
I hope Aizen’s Bankai is revealed
Me too, or at the very least more Aizen screen time. Also my I ask do you know when or if cour 3 is supposed to come out?
I hope not that would destroy aizens unbeatable image
I fear that Aizen's Bankai, if revealed, would pose too many questions of why it wasn't used prior. That's why I prefer the idea that his Bankai is entirely unsuited for combat.
Like an all encompassing illusion targeted exclusively at himself, making him unable to react to the outside world, but allowing him to cast illusions as predictions of his plan unfolding, preparing for eventualities and allowing him to train in the perfectly engineered mental circumstances, allowing him to be so powerful. That's just an idea though.
@@HusbandOfManyWives1776 Unfortunately, I haven’t seen any updates about when Cour 3 starts. I’m expecting July/August. Nothing has been confirmed
@@wildresin6292he's taken 2 huge Ls as of EOS tho. He's definitely not unbeatable.
What i love about the answer for Nnoitora applies to Ichigo's own change in Zanpaktou shape over the course of the story. Beginning - the iconic shape that reflects Old Man Zangetsu. Lost Agent - The hollow/shinigami reatsu he uses makes Zangetsu looks like White's original arm blades. TYBW and Hell Oneshot - Perfect harmony and highest quality of reatsu allows Ichigo to possibly be able to change Zangetsu's shape at will
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Soul Society does have photography. Mayuri shows Ishida photographs of his grandfather's corpse all the way back in the Soul Society Arc.
Either way, you're going off the deep end with the Kyoka Suigetsu stuff. The photograph isn't being physically changed, people's senses are, and they use those senses to look at the picture. They were hypnotised to think they were taking a picture of X, so when they look at the resulting picture, they see X. It's really nothing we didn't already know.
I was always under the impression from childhood that Aizen’s illusions worked even if you were aware of being under an illusion and that’s what made them so terrifying
I always imagined if I had Kyoka Suigetsu, that I would still be discovered by video cameras since the technology looking at me doesn’t have any senses. But I guess whoever is looking at the cameras are always affected which is crazy and kinda makes sense since I’m pretty sure the Scientific Research and Development had to have cameras around the entire time Aizen was in the Sereitei.
Meh. Kubo's bullshitting people because it's an obvious workaround to the powers that he didn't think of while writing the manga. If KS really worked the way he's implying it does, then Unohana shouldn't have been able to tell there was something wrong with Aizen's fake corpse during the SS arc.
@@ASNS117Zerongl that's a B's take since it was already shown that she examined the body, felt something was off but still couldn't place it (there's no assumption that ks removes doubt, you can still suspect something but you will never be able to place it)
You also have to remember that she's been practicing medicine for over a thousand years so if she couldn't tell that much, it means her skills as a medic is lacking
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Eventually Kubo is going to pop up with some line about Aizen's bankai being complete control of reality within a certain range.
Hope not. I'd prefer that his zanpakuto can't evolve beyond shikai because that is its ultimate form.
@@kakashihatake1029 Considering its shikai is inherently more powerful than most bankai, yeah. Unfortunately, given Kubo's track record with Aizen, I doubt it caps at shikai.
It fit's a bit, comparing it to the Sharingan, which is known for genjutsu (illusions). The ultimate, one-time use abilities of Sharingan can turn an illusion into reality.
considering that shikai is supposed to be a manifestation of a shinigami's perceived self and a bankai should represent their inner self, i think his bankai should be something truly sinister and terrifying, or maybe even something related in some way to omniscience, future sight or mind reading
@@planeta3059 Think universal ♾️ or omnisciene universal control 🎛️ would be to much
I think it actually makes sense that the kido core's research is kept hidden. While the shinigami didn't have traditional enemies, one of the only ways to actually be a threat to the seretei without a zanpakto is the use of powerful kido that you inherently do not need to be a shinigami to use. Theoretically any rogue spirit with a talent for kido could become a threat with zero sword training if the higher level spells were just open knowledge so it makes sense to me to keep that locked down. I think that would be something interesting for a lite novel to explore in the future.
Think it be more prominent the new hell arc like a literal hell ➗ evil division vs the kido division in a fair no p armour battle - war .
The kido corps is the shadow wizard money gang, confirmed.
Gonna put my theory crafting hat on and guess that the kido corps is secretive due to the fact that the spells they research have a connection to the primordial age that they then have to translate to something regular shinigami can use.
Aizen will always be an OP god with only the rarest, most specific counter. He will definitely have his other day in the sun.........
Indeed. As a immortal, with a power that can combat even the ability of the Soul King, Aizen is sure to continue his strive towards his goal of sitting upon the throne of Heaven, once he is free again.
I doubt it. They'll probably remove his hogyoku before releasing him. Although if they remove it, they'll just execute him
@@kakashihatake1029they couldn't remove it that's why they sealed him in the first place 😂
I highly doubt they'd be able to do it now that he's become even stronger 😂
@kakashihatake1029 he's already fused with it , it's part of him now
The counter to Kyoka Suigetsu is actually really easy, only that nobody seemed to actually take advantage of it, aka locking on to Aizen's reiatsu instead of his physical form, a thing that only Yamamoto ends up doing.
The top captains like Unohana or Kyoraku would have been perfectly capable to do it, but as Gin said, the Gotei 13 just kept underestimating Aizen at every turn, and paid for it.
The way I interpret it is that Kyoka Suigetsu doesn’t alter the photograph per se. Instead of altering senses individually, I think it convinces your brain that the world actually looks/feels/smells/tastes/sounds like whatever Aizen wants. If you take a picture of an illusion, the picture will look to you like the illusion because that is what your brain believes that space consists of. Rather than altering an inanimate object. I also think the reason Aizen made the sword itself his fake corpse was to account for those potential nurses. If they saw the sword lying there instead of his body, they would be immediately hypnotized and blink and see the body.
I guess the only way to go through Kyoka Suigetsu would be
-Step 1 create an entity that doesn't have a brain be it a robot android AI call it what you will
-Step 2 have a way to communicate with this robot that Aizen cant perceive
telepathic abilities or brainwaves of sorts should suffice (he cant prevent your brain from getting information he doesn't know about)
-or perform a lobotomy and give them complete amnesia leave their brain without a mark like it was entirely newborn
Mayuri was actually close to some of these and he could even do similarly absurd things with Nemu's brain simce he could retrieve a lot of what she was by just having her brain
but id say the robot AI path is the safer one the issue is how to make it relevant enough so it can help those who are fighting Aizen and lead them properly wich can be done after those fighters have sufficient synergy with the help
Barragan didn't have a brain. He was a skeleton.
@@corruptangel6793 he thinks and forms thoughts in some way or form
Bleach is fiction true but there's science engraved into it too it's not like everything is pure fantasy
@@Force-Multiplier he has a mind, just not a brain. He's a sentient soul that takes skeleton form.
A Mayuri versus Aizen face off of tactics and techniques really would be an amazing battle.
If you haven't been put under its power already, you litterally just need to close your eyes. And keep them closed.
I think what Kubo was saying is that if you take a video of an illusion from Aizen, the camera would record the real thing but if you are under the effect of Kyouka Suigetsu it would make you see an illusionary video, but if someone who is not uner the effect would watch the same video he would see the real thing, not the illusion.
What i mean is that i don't think the camera would record the illusion, i think the illusion itself would make the video seem different until you are under its influence, but it would only be only an illusion and not the real video (sorry for the repetitions).
I actually think the picture thing makes total sense. My understanding of his ability is that it’s much less complicated than most people believe it is. I look at his ability to simply be implanting a immovable suggestion into ones mind. With a simple suggestion of “I’am not here”, your mind will no longer process any sense of him being there, even if you take a picture and look at it your brain still processes everything through that filter and so therefore your unable to see/feel/smell/hear him in the picture either because your brain is unable to process the chemical triggers delivered from your eyes/skin/ears to your brain to recognize his being in that place at any moment in time after the command/suggestion.
In Grimmjows case it's probably because in his Resurrection he fights a LOT with his claws and so it makes the most sense in his case that he can change his hands into what is shown.
Think he , halibell , Nel can achieve or awake etapa segundo as well . In a little older club outside kubo said they to like o- s can second resurrection a.k.a Segundo Etapa.
I like how the first theory proves the meme right that Aizen influenced Kubo to write the manga.
Kubo coming in clutch again with much needed info.
I think what kubo meant there is that if the person who's recording is under kyoka suigetsu, they wouldn't see the real thing because they are currently being hypnotized.
Then that would mean that if that person is to review the footage when kyoka suigetsu isn't active, or if the footage is seen by someone not affected by it, they could see the real footage.
So trying to fight aizen while wearing vr camera is meaningless if you are already under kyoka suigetsu, but as a mean of collecting proof, it is still useful
Didn't Yamamoto point out that Kyoka Suigetsu's weakness is that the target can still sense different spiritual energy?
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Kyoka takes over 5 senses, but not their 6th spiritual sense. Yamamoto sensed Aizen's energy when he got too close to Yama.
Unfortunately even that don't work on Aizen no more
There's a q and a where Kubo said that ks can now affect both time and reaitsu perception and that was how he managed to delay yhwach when he was fighting Ichigo and fooled him to think he was ichigo in the last fight respectively
Blud is on forced retirement but still getting stronger 😂
My headcannon is it works like actual hypnosis, where his zanpakto acts like a focus similar to what a pocket watch or lighter irl.
While that is a focus, it requires suggestions to adjust what the illusions are. Once the suggestion is given, its largely the mind of the person giving the illusion. The brain will overwrite the senses to show whar it expects, just as your eyes block out excess shapes such as your nosez glasses, etc.
In theory, if you can block out aizens spiritual pressure from affecting you, or supress it long enough like those wrist bracelets kisuke came up with, then it would be possible to get around it.
It's not even a headcannon, Aizen literally said it's complete hypnosis. Therefore, it follows certain characteristics and mechanics of hypnosis.
Always love these QAs even if some ask the dumbest questions, at least we get answers
I see Aizen's zanpukto as semi-permanently altering the physical perception of one's world; Semi-permanently because it can be altered by this power again.
What's interesting to me is that while it apparently alter your physical perception of everything having to do with that illusion(since photos don't work), it doesn't seem to cause any direct mental/ emotional damage when something is revealed as an illusion. It doesn't use force to keep you mentally deceived.
Aizens bankai is actually pretty nice.
It allows him to alter reality itself including breaking the 4th wall and allowing him to alter our world.
He used his bankai to bring about the anime version of the thousand year blood war arc.
A crazier thought: Things creates by Kyoka Suigetsu can affect the world? It controls the 5 senses of one person (even the reiatsu sense since no one notice when Aizen is there or not) so, if the illusion they are seeing (lets say is Aizen) attacks them, they body will be affected?
If so, it would make Aizen the perfect killer, placing his illusion on someone just for them to die to nothing whenever he wants.
What's interesting about this is how it would effect Spirits and Human targets. I think for a Human target fighting an "illusion" they would die from their brain thinking they are dying but there wouldn't be any marks on them. For a Spirit/Shinigami however I think it is plausible that Aizen could potentially create an illusion in which because the Shinigami actually believe that is happening to them their spiritual body creates the wounds as if they are really happening to them.
Great video as all ways and god bless you and everybody 💖
Great vid!
I wonder if Aizen had placed MoMo under a spell eith his kyoka-soi-getsu to make her admire and follow him?
Considering she's still crushing on him even after he was defeated I doubt ks had something to do with it but I can't lie
She has good taste in men unlike Sakura 😂
Complete hypnosis wouldn't be broken by a picture. You are hypnotized to see whatever Aizen wants you to see
For Aizen, his power is described as complete hypnosis (complete control over the senses by extension). So it stands to reason his power affects perception and not the "object" itself. Imo, changing how that "object" is viewed should not have an impact on how the target perceives it.
The thing that still boggles my mind is how Kyoka Suigetsu can somehow mess with someone’s sense of time like with Yhwach. What senses does Aizen need to specifically target to pull that off? I always felt that keeping track of time is something separate from the normal five senses what boggles my mind is that is somehow able to mess with your sense of time. Yep, it’s not like you had to watch it like U-Haul or to watch them. How do you do that? what the fuck? When should I come over, it’s hard. You need to target had a site help you if you feel like five minutes seeing you.
My thought is that Aizen must imagine an illusion that is then projected to the minds of all affected by Kyoka Suigetsu, rather than Aizen tailoring specific personalized illusions instantly in the moment all the while tinkering with individual senses one by one for everyone individually. Especially if this effect works on photographs as well, which the person under the illusion sees in some indefinite future time, which would be an occurrence that Aizen wouldn't even know about at the time of casting the illusion. Given that, and given that Kyoka Suigetsu doesn't change reality itself, Aizen couldn't be directly effecting the actual sensory inputs, but the interpretative process of their "senses". Meaning Kyoka Suigetsu would be overriding peoples very ability to interpret sense data and substituting that by a projection of Aizen's choosing.
Our perception of time is generated by our brains through our circadian clock, so Aizen messing with that to warp our perception of time is very believable. Heck, if lockdowns could fuck with peoples' perception of time, Kanzen Saimin can.
The hypnotic abilities of Kyoka Suigetsu might have grown since his imprisonment much like how his reiatsu had.
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@@D-HavocI actually had the same thesis but miner's a bit different
Maybe he already had it but didn't bother to use it since it wouldn't affect his plans in anyway
Or he got it while perfecting his powers in the muken just like how aura perfected her control of the basics of fullbring rather than gain attachment to an object and create herself a fullbring
so basically Kyōka Suigetsu is a cognitohazard
its not that Kyoka Suigetsu affects the camera, its that the hypnotized person would just perceive the image they took as congruent with their illusion, since they're under the illusion. The camera itself isn't affected.
I've always been under the impression that Kyoka Suigetsu is not 'enviroment manipulation' but a 'mind manipulation' instead.
It's complete hypnosis so the "illusion" is not actually projected into the environment but to the mind itself.
so even if a photo could capture the real thing, the target will still see what he was hypnotized to see.
You still downplay kyoka Suigetsu…. If a nurse walked in to tell unohana there was nothing there , then Aizen could affect unohana hearing to where she never heard that …
and because it's ALL senses, even if that nurse was to run up and start violently shaking unohana to clue her in that something is wrong
from unohana's perspective the nurse would've excused herself and walked out of the room
it's way more terrifying the series gives it credit for
Rukia vs Toshiro battle analysis. Starrk vs Ulquiorra battle analysis
analysis implies its something that happened and he's analyzing it
Always happy to learn more about the Kido Corps
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For the part about the random nurse, I'd say there are 3 possibilities, not necessarily incompatible:
-Aizen was a teacher at the academy and pretty popular, may have made tons of demonstrations of Kyoukasuigestu for different reasons
-We learned in the hell chapter the corpse of a captain is basically Soul Society's equivalent of nuclear waste, it'd make sense it would have very restricted access
-Less likely due to how he present it, but Aizen may have pulled the same thing as during the Vizard flashback and actually made a fake corpse with Kyoukasuigetsu on top
aizen could make your gf look like your dad and leave you with that.
He could make EVERYONE look like your dad and leave you like that.
Kyoka Suigetsu doesn't have to work on inanimate objects, take different case of psychosis for exemple, some may be able to tell they're having halucination by filming it or looking at a reflection but some cases have their brains able to twist around enough so that they see the halucinations even through something (I know it well, I, myself have a conditions that give me halucinations and I can't cheat my brain like others I've met). Aizen's shikai just affect you without him thinking about it and your brain does the job. (also on the subject of what happen if you look back at something you know false I personally never tried out of fear because every person I know who did had very bad migraines and panic attacks doing so)
Since Aizen described Orihime's ability as one that could overturn acts of god, I wish someone would ask Kubo if she could reject and essentially dispel someone who's under the effects of Complete Hypnosis.
Aizen’s unleashing was implied to be used in ceremonies because it was so beautiful and graceful. So I think the vast majority of the soul reapers and kido corp have been exposed to it from even graduation ceremonies and the like.
Considering the translation for the kanji for kido, I feel that it's quite ancient, possibly dating to the foundation of the world. I doubt there was one inventor, but multiple scholars and warriors likely refined it over a long time. Tenjiro was likely one of those people.
Using the term "hypnosis" indicates that Aizen's ability doesn't create illusions, but affects the targets mind. As such, the affected person's mind would not allow them to see through Aizen's effect no matter what the source of the image is.
It’s hypnotism, not illusion. So it is logic it affect photos . Their brain see the reality but do not process it logically
He controls all your senses.
You take picture, you look at it.
He controls your senses, you still see an illusion.
Soi fong's shikai ability Homonka can last forever, although not at first.
This Kido Corps reveal is really cool.
Kyoka Suigetsu isn't so much illusion as mind control; it tells the brain how to interpret sensory data in accord with Aizen's whims. The photograph would capture the true image, but someone under the spell would perceive what they were programmed to. It may be possible that someone who didn't have the context for the image would perceive it correctly, but if they knew what it was supposed to be, that would trigger the hypnotic suggestion.
I think the confusion around Aizen's power is the issue of the difference between perception and objective reality of the is such a thing. Kyoka Suigetsu doesn't change the physical reality or properties of an object, just it's victim's perception, hence if one has been hypnotized to see one person as another, e.g. everyone seeing Momo as Aizen, they will see Momo as Aizen no matter how they are seeing her; a photo of Momo will look like Aizen, as would video, even her voice would sound like Aizen's in an audio recording, and this would be regardless of whether that physical thing has been viewed before and the victim knows it shows something else, so a person under hypnosis and someone who isn't affected would disagree about who is in a picture.
I also suspect that while Aizen doesn't need to stay focused on maintaining the hypnosis, he does need to keep putting reiatsu into it, and Aizen just happens to have a surplus of that.
I think the camera or photo question should be no surprise, like if it puts you under an illusion that someone is standing in front of you, what stops it from also letting you see the footage or photo differently? I think its real weakness is if you are fighting together with someone, who is not under the illusion and can describe how things are really like.
A more interesting question in my opinion would've been, if someone under the illusion gets visually linked to someone, who is not under an illusion, if that person would be able to see unaltered input or if the illusion gets applied directly inside your brain where visual and other sensory information gets processed, so that even such a linking would give you false impressions. It would come down to if the illusion is applied by affecting your eyes and other sensory parts of your body or your brain.
Lastly, I wonder if Aizen needs to be present and have knowledge to be able to "apply" a new illusion. We know that once he applied kyouka suigetsu and creates an illusion, for example that Aizen is dead, that this false impression will stay forever, even if he is not present anymore. But what if for example someone is spying on Aizen without him noticing. Even if the person is under kyouka suigetsu's effect, would Aizen be able to show him that he is doing different things than what he is actually doing, even if Aizen doesn't know he is being watched? Or if Aizen is in fake karakura town and knows that a captain is fighting an espada in hueco mundo, is he able to create new illusions and false impressions for that captain to mess with his fight?
Because those 2 points could be additional potential weaknesses. Get help by someone who is not under the influence to figure out the false impressions that have been applied to you, then get enough distance and do stuff outside Aizen's knowledge
In my What If...? head canon, I always thought it would be cool if each of the Great Nobel Houses first ancestors would have been the creators/founders of the four aspects to Shinigami. Like the Kuchiki's could have been the founders of Zanjutsu, the Shihoin clan being founders Onmitsukidō for either Hakuda or Shunpo, and the other two founders in Kido. etc.
And the former 5th Nobel House, the Shiba clan, would have been the creators/blacksmiths of all the divine objects in Soul Society. The Kakaku Taihō, Shinken Hakkyōken, Shihōin Shield, and maybe even the Sōkyoku for examples. And Ōetsu Nimaiya would have been a student of one of the Shiba ancestors.
That would be nice if it wasn't outrightly stated in the novels that the SK sword dispelled after he was dissected and formed All 99 kiddo spells and they are kept in different planes of dimensions in the SK Palace
It also stated that when someone uses kiddo they just borrow the power of the original above but no matter how hard they try they will never be able to reach the full potential power of the original
But the shihoin clan one is close, there was a subtle mention in a part of the novel which I can't really remember, the shihoin clan kept secret artifacts of the SK unlike a special sword that the tsunayashiro clan have
Or like nanao's family sword but the artifact or it's power was never emphasized on (like i said it was a subtle mention)
Aizen's ability is considered "Complete Hypnosis" which means that when he takes your senses Sight, Hearing, Scent, Touch and Taste. Main two important factors being sight and hearing. What Aizen most likely does is impart the "memory" of a corpse being there and to an extent like Tsukishima's Book of the End what the person is told to believe is something they can't go against such as when Unohana felt something was wrong, she couldn't bring logic to it because it "logically" made no sense because Aizen's Hypnosis said so. So for Unohana to rely on her instinct rather than logic is what almost allowed her to fight back against the Hypnosis.
But basically being under Aizen's blade control means what he desires you to see as "reality" turns into the reality he creates for you and your mind can't deny it because it's been written into the ability.
I think it just goes to show how powerful Aizen was because his ability to control his Shikai was so strong that he was able to make something so grand look like child's play to execute.
Now going back to Tsukishima basically him and Aizen's abilities are the same however Tsuki lacks the time that Aizen had to perfect his ability, in a world where Tsuki was a Shinigami with the same ability he most likely would of been able to manipulate the Gotei 13 into making him second in command to Yamamoto as he slowly turned all the subordinates into his Thrall to rewrite their view of the world to make him the center of their universe.
And while yes not every Shinigami fell prey to Aizen's ability, the way he presented himself in a friendly manner I don't think it's too hard to believe that his goodwill nature lead others to lowering their guard and being happy to see his Shikai because Aizen was proud to show it off. And what sort of makes that intriguing is that it's possible that the execution of his shikai and the whole complete hypnosis he could of potentially preyed on a basic human desire that caused them to be enthralled by what they saw within the release that it slips their mind to consider how odd it all was. Like it's sort of hard to explain but I think Aizen definitely showed off his shiaki release to a huge chunk of the Gotei 13, at least the ones he deemed were necessary to enact his plan, so Captain's Vice, and subordinates with enough to pull to have influence over the situation. Also imagine being a shinigami who is training and having a Captain come to you and be like "hey wanna check out a shikai" They would most likely be happy to view a shikai because they strive to reach that level of connection with their zanpakuto.
it would be cool to see Kido and its history delved more in depth in Burn the Witch, could kinda mesh into the story and its universe influence well
My favourite one was the one for Kido corp. For all magic systems with standardized abilities, I often wonder how these specific techniques came to be, and what it takes to make a new one. While this answer obviously doesn't delve into such specific, it's still a neat piece of worldbuilding to know that there is an organization dedicated to that exact matter.
You know what Zanpakuto I wanna see you go over, and theorize a bankai for, is Kaien's. Ever since I saw it in the fight between Rukia & Aaroniero, I loved it a Trident that manipulated water to enhance attacks & possibly make ranged water attacks.
That is a video I would like to see.
I certainly believe Nejibana's Bankai to be in the form of a dowsing rod which instead of hydrokinesis it could conjure/summon lots of marine/aquatic creatures at the behest of Kaien himself...
I like that this bring a question i had in my mind:
What would ichigo zanpackto would change if he from the beginning was a kido focus or even hand to hand focus
7:40 - once it lets up, it's done (at least from the anime)
Would love to hear your thoughts on the apparent studio change/rearrangement of "pierrot films" instead of studio pierrot i saw flame of rebirths vid on it and would love ur thoughts
So Kido corp writes a book "Kido for dummies" so even Renji would understand it?
If I am not wrong, aizen showed his “bankai” as a dimostration in front of many shinigami, I remember they said something along the line of being water related so that’s how he got everyone under his zampakuto during that instance but maybe I am wrong it was a long ago
Kido is so interesting. I would love to see your analysis on the poetry behind it. The casting of Kido without the full incantation was to me one of the biggest losses later in the series. Maybe worth getting into?
17:23 "well that's us out of a job" 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Kubo taught ancient poets how to write properly, 6 months from now. He's just that talented.
The Kido Corp one is quite interesting
Aizen's Shikai: Creates illusions and forces the mind to make sense of it.
One aspect of Kyoka Suigetsu not taken into consideration is Aizen's lie which allowed him to show it to everyone, being able to avoid KS flashbang release is actually the only way anyone not named Yhwach could face Aizen.