@teletubbykiller54 more like tiny 4 cylinder... on a freaking THREE ROW SUV... just so they can claim it's more efficient than a full size sedan 20 years ago... but long term maintenance costs... I'll probably save a massive fortune buying literally anything used...
Yeet Yee YEE 1990....ahhh the Gulf War, crash of commercial real estate in the US and impending dot com crash/bust and recession in less than a year. Simple times.
I used to drive a 1990 Lincoln town Car for a Airport Transportation company! It Drove very smooth, nice roomy interior and a very huge trunk to carry plenty of luggage!...God Bless!
Hard as it is to believe, the plant where these Lincolns were manufactured, has been fully razed. That was in Wixom, MI, where I once worked, and it was the most profitable plant in the world, at one time. It would generate $1B/year profits! But it now totally gone!
@@davidp8627 Since all three are based on the well proven and developed "Panther" platform, they are as tough as trucks. I have a "rule" for car durability: See what the police departments and taxi companies use. Get a car based on that platform. For decades the cops used Crown Vics .Some are STILL in service Police service - I saw a pre 1997 one IN SERVICE (It had the 92-96 "nose" and "greenhouse".) on a video at the Nashville Christmas incident! Buy a civilian owned "Panther" like A Mercury or a Lincoln, and it MIGHT out live YOU, and I'm a GM fan saying that! 👍😊👍
@@robs1052 I definitely felt it after 6-8 hours driving. I used to have a 2003 Town Car and the lack of sufficient lumbar support was evident. Don't get me wrong though it was one of the best cars I've ever owned.
I drove my 91 Colony Park (also a Panther) from Oklahoma City to Northern Indian in one day and arrived remarkably fresh. An excellent long distance machine.
@@geocam2 It's a,Great YEAR. 2006!,BLOATED MADE IT LOOK PRESIDENTIAL! A,RARE MODEL. WE OWN TWO! A,DREAM! WE LOVE THEM. MANY SAY THIS WAS A,GREAT YEAR 2006, 2007, ETC
Toasters are uncomplicated appliances with heating elements, a thermostat, switches, and plugs and cords. Most of the time when they malfunction, they just haven’t been cleaned thoroughly enough. Of course the heating elements can burn out after time, and plugs, cords, and switches get faulty, but if you maintain your toaster as suggested below, the toaster should give you years of service before the electrical parts wear out. If you get a shock when you touch the toaster, it’s not grounded. Get a replacement from the store or take it to a professional for repairs. What to do when your toast won’t stay down The latch that locks the carriage in place may be blocked by crumbs. To clean them out, you need a screwdriver, canned air or a handheld pump, and lubricant, which you can get at an appliance service center. Now follow these steps: Unplug the toaster. Remove the carriage lever and unscrew the front cover. When the cover is off, blow any crumbs from the latch assembly. Test the latch to make sure it moves up and down easily. If it still sticks, apply a little lubricant. Look at the heating coils too to see whether all the crumbs have been removed. If not, blow them out with the forced air. After cleaning and lubricating the toaster, put the cover back, plug it in, and fix yourself some toast. If the toast still won’t go up or down, buy yourself a new toaster. What to do when the toast won’t pop up Your toaster’s thermostat may be set incorrectly. To reset it, follow these steps: Unplug the toaster. Take off the carriage lever and front cover and look for a knob, screw, or nut located near the toast light-to-dark control on the outside of most toasters. Turn the knob, screw, or switch to the left, as on the lighter-control position. Replace the cover, plug in the toaster, and test it by toasting a piece of bread. If the toast still burns, then the thermostat has to be reset. This is controlled either by a dial or lever usually on the front of the toaster. You can reset the thermostat. Here’s how. If you turn a dial to make the toast light-to-dark, take the dial knob off. Readjust the screw behind it, turning it toward “lighter” on the toaster - or darker if the bread won’t toast. You’ll probably have to turn the screw only slightly, not a full turn. Put the knob back on and test the toaster with a slice of bread. If the toast is still dark, then adjust the screw a little again. If your toaster has a lever controlling light and dark, bend it slightly up or down. For instance if you want your toast lighter, and the display for lighter is at the top of the lever channel, then you will bend the lever up. What if your toast won’t stay down and the toaster buzzes? This usually happens because the toaster hasn’t cooled off. You can correct this problem by setting the control to dark or just depressing the lever again. If waiting or resetting the control doesn’t work, then the solenoid switch needs to be replaced, a moderately difficult repair. Call for a service estimate and if it’s too high, buy a new toaster
@Parker Weatly Even with a split bench, there's nothing better than being able to slide your ass over as opposed to getting out and walking around to switch seats!
I LOVE bench seats. Had it in a few of my cars. Had a 11' Caddy DTS Livery that had it. Got totalled and replaced with another 11' DTS but Premium. Every option but came with floor shift+5 seats standard. Sold to my dad and bought a 14' ESV. Still missed the bench seat and I just added a 97' LTC Cartier ❤. Got my bench seat back and it makes it easy for naughty adult activity too lol.
Hate bench seats. I’m 6’1” and when I would ride with a 5’2” person they had the seat so far up to reach the pedals my knees were in the glove box. Split bench or buckets......
The 1990-1997 Town Car is the most sought after version; you knew what this car was coming down the road, and the 2003-2010 model was nice as well. Lincoln is a far better car than Cadillac, especially for reliability, and the Town Car is no exception, but Lincoln needs a large rear drive sedan and coupe for it's market...
98-2002 were good cars, but butt ugly. It was a horrible disappointment after the 95-97 Town Cars, which were some of the best looking Lincolns since the early 70s.
@@joshuajordan8574 1998-2002 Town Car was 6 inches shorter than the Ford Crown Victoria and Mercury Grand Marquis, and the reason was that there was 6 inches of space that was removed on the Town Car to cater to younger buyers. Lincoln also removed the hood ornament, and a Town Car is SUPPOSED TO HAVE A HOOD ORNAMENT. IN 2003, body was squared back up, along with putting back the hood ornament. I've owned 2 Town Cars, and they were wonderful. They were better cars than any Cadillac I've ever had to drive, and Lincoln made a car that was reliable and comfortable, unlike Cadillac.
I love the way this body looks. And for the time, it performed surprisingly well in crash tests. It would be great to take one of these and rebuild it with better breaks, suspension, and a big lazy V8. Keeping the comfort, but improving the handling.
Just imagine this same car with a Coyote DOHC 5.0 and a 10-Speed (and a AWD version for ppl that cant drive RWD in the snow) and all the tech from the dearly departed Continental.
+Acc0rd79 Panther Platform was discontinued in the Winter of 2011...and with much protest from Cab Companies,Law-Enforcement, and Car-Hire Companies. All that's left now for "Ford/Lincoln" are very old and obsolete-bastard "evolved"Mitsubishi/Mazda FWD Platforms which Ford,Volvo,Hyundai-Kia, and Chrysler,etc. have been using for decades.
+Todd Clark Ford is broke.....with massive debt. Wonder why the F Series retail-prices have gone through the roof? It's only dependable source in keeping Ford afloat globally...and too make quarterly payments on those 10s of Billions it owes banks. Ford did not have enough cash to keep the Panther Platform afloat........no money to pay for new dies,tooling. That's why it went away. Big 3 will probably be out of the car-market in a couple of decades. Japanese/Koreans are already taking over the market with mostly assembled USA vehicles for the high-volume units. Cadillac(GM) is not in touch with passenger-car customers wants and needs. On the new CT6....it basically a stretched Commodore sedan. GM went for the $1.00 door handle/latch assemblies;even though customers in focus-group studies preferred the rather ornate $3.50 cent units. Almost $100,000 for a loaded CT6, and the company that makes it went cheap. Few people will buy it.Wonder why? Auto Journalists have notes, it's interior is put together with less-than materials. Same attitude at Ford/Fiat-Chrysler.....screw the customer and skimp on important details. Wonder why the S-Class is the most popular Full-size luxury car in the World? GM....40 years ago owned that market with products that consumers wanted.
Every so often I see one of these on the road, and usually it's condition is average... just another car. "Hey, a town car." Doesn't sink in until later that the thing is almost thirty years old and still just running around like it's nothing special. Caught in a time bubble... happens to the first gen Taurus too, you spot a nice one and it's not significant enough in the mind from a mid-90's car to make that contact that it's a mid EIGHTIES car and all it's competition looked like bricks. That shiny 1'st gen Taurus you spot could be THIRTY THREE YEARS OLD. Do you remember 2000, fellow old farts? A thirty year old car in 2000 would have been from 1970. Tell me the state of the automobile never improved....
My grandfather, up until last year, drove a 1994 Town Car, and it was a great car. Now he has a 2004 Town Car, and it's just as luxurious as his 1994 was, but even more! (:
It was initially standard with dual airbags, but when the facility that produced the passenger airbag propellant caught fire, the passenger airbag became a delete option with a credit for the missing airbag on the window sticker. Owners of those Town Cars had the option to add the missing airbag at the price of the credit issued once supplies became available. Starting in early 1992, all Town Cars had dual airbags from the factory. I think this also applied to the Continental from these days
Yes, and that' s insane. The journalist called it far better handling, ignoring that this is a very important issue for the car behind. Egocentric handling, maybe, but even not so. Unpleasant it is, anyway.
I can tell you from an experience I had today with my mint 1994 Town Car. A herd of deer jumped in front me, I slammed the brakes and mine did the same thing. Sent groceries flying all over the car but it was easy to keep in a straight line and stopped quickly.
No its not. They're slower than molasses. I had one, and it was literally the worst car I've ever owned. Overheating, saggy suspension... last Ford product I ever owned. ever.
I think it is a situation where you either love everything about it or you don't. I for one love the ride the styling the seats the dash the smoothness, everything! Its all about the attitude with this car.
It is common to see these town cars with 350,000 to 500,000 miles or more.. Great cars for sure.. Just look at them on Craigslist for sale.. Not that I would want one with that many miles on it...
My friends uncle had a 91' model, minus the clear coat fading it was a great car, and got decent gas mileage on it, he had it up until the brakes went out on it 4 years ago and totaled it, even though it was 21 years old I was told both airbags still worked flawlessly
I love watching the test driver leaning into turns like he's on a bike!! lol gotta love that 70's cop-like steering, suspension & bench! The driver's mustache and shades fit the theme, too!!
Yeah... Because it was on a rolling course designed to do that to a car. It actually did very well, a 1989 car would have continued to bounce well after the section was passed.
Oh how standards have changed. I have a 03 grand marquis and honestly it's not that floaty. You can definitely feel the frame though, it rides somewhere between a suburban and a camry of the same year imo
The 90 Town Car was a great improvement in all the right areas. Remember this was 26 years ago and the engineers were designing the new 90 in 1987-90. The 91 4.6 brought even more improvements and better mpg and acceleration. This car should be compared to a 90 Cadillac Brougham or even a 93 Brougham.
+Freddy Hollingsworth Thats a good comparison-90 Brougham vs Town Car. Brougham had standard digital instrumentation and standard abs brakes. Brougham also used a more modern electronic climate control and the optional EFI 5.7L engine was more powerful than Fords 5.0. 90 Town Car was a fresh modern design and offered the trip computer as an option and had dual airbags. Both cars have aged well IMO but I didn't care for the Broughams standard carbureted engine.
I wouldn't say it was designed in 1987-90. This generation of Town Car was pretty finalised by mid-1986 (clip at 1:56 above is from 1986) and received engineering sign-off in December 1988, ahead of production start-up in the second half of 1989. The only thing new in late 1990 was the 4.6L V8. There is a deep backstory on development of this from 1985 to 1988.
@@TeeroyHammermill carburetor was old by 1990, the towncar was "hip" and new but the brougham had more metal for the money and the classic late 70s bodystyle.
My uncle back in the 80’s used to replace with a brand new town cars every 3 or 4 years and each new generation was improved so much more from the previous generations! So smooth and best highway cruiser in the world!
I bought one of these with a cracked exhaust manifold at an auction for $300 years ago. Fixed it and took it for a spin a couple times. It was the comfiest ride on highways. Eventually sold it but always regretted doing so.
Interesting how in the first 40 seconds he wonders about how successful Nissan (Infiniti) and Toyota (Lexus) will be in the luxury car market. I think we know how that played out.
Recently aquired a 97 Town Car Signature in Pearl Metallic... beautiful car and the addition on Bilstein shocks has tamed the whale and now have a genuine road car.
I'm SOOO fortunate to have found a '96 Signature Touring Edition with the Ride Control Package back in 2003. What's that? Believe it or not, a Town Car with the Police Interceptor frame, power train and suspension. 178,000 miles and no end in sight. Passengers have asked if I have 100 lbs. of pressure in the tires (the ride's a bit stiff for a TC, but I LOVE the firm steering and near-total lack of body roll), but they always look forward to a ride in the "mafia staff car." Did I mention it's black over silver with black leather interior? I think I'm going to be buried in it... 😉
I just bought my third one a couple weeks ago, a nice '97. It's in fantastic condition, it has 212k miles on it but it still runs and drives perfectly and surprisingly every single thing still works! An awesome deal too for only $800.
I drove one from this model generation. I booked a compact car back in 96, but Budget had none on their lot, so they upgraded me to a Town Car for free. 😁 I'd never buy a car like this, but it definitely made a leisurely ride that weekend.
Man. That maroon lincoln was leanin in that turn. Cool stuff man.👍. P.s. like the rims. Clean. That guy was excited to get in that car. Help him feel like rich millionaire. Store the money in the trunk.
I always loved the 1991-94 and 1995-1997 Town Car. Beautiful, elegant, full-size, traditional American luxury. I miss American luxury cars like this that died off with the trend of everything being sporty and European inspired.
Saw a burgundy ‘90 town car signature series on Craigslist last July. I wanted a car to drive to work, as my 1994 Cadillac Deville is way too nice to take on gravels and side roads. The ad for the town car was for 850 dollars. Met the old farmer who had it, handed him 500 dollars, shook hands, and drove it an hour home. Bought it with 203,XXX miles and have since put 10,000 on. Nothing done to it but changed the oil and filter. She stands up to a lot of abuse, and I must say the steering and ride is superb (the back suspension is crown Vic springs though). I’ve had it up to 130 on the highway, SO SMOOTH. Yes, the speedometer only goes to 85 but I passed a friend who was going 120 and I passed him with ease. 5.0 V8 Power Baby 😂. Yes you can accuse me of abuse but at the same time my car was bought as a farm car, and will be continued to be used like one. Although I wouldn’t mind finding a nice one to compliment my caddy, because if my “beater Lincoln” can survive high speeds on the highway, jumps, ruts, and mud holes on gravel, as well as trailer towing, I feel it would make a great show/road trip car for daily use. “Pass everything but a gas station!”
Lincoln car 🚗 are my favorite, they are the best luxury town car ever to be built in the 90th, but I appreciate the service and the rating. Keep it up Motor Week.
I Drive a 97 the last year of this body style it's a sweet car it took me forever to find one worth buying but I finally got it not sure which body style I like best I've drove the real big onewith the 460 I think maybe the 80s version might be the best if you were talking brand new take your pick it's still hard though to pick a winner not really a fan of the 98 and newer model but maybe as time passes if I found a really nice one I could change my mind
It was initially standard with dual airbags, but when the facility that produced the passenger airbag propellant caught fire, the passenger airbag became a delete option with a credit for the missing airbag on the window sticker. Owners of those Town Cars had the option to add the missing airbag at the price of the credit issued once supplies became available. Starting in early 1992, all Town Cars had dual airbags from the factory. I think this also applied to the Continental from these days.
Velour. Now there's something you don't see anymore, but it makes a fine alternative.I personally love the smell, and feel of a soft leather much more though. It seems like car leather in general is crap compared to what it was 15-20 years ago. It's stiff, like vinyl, and very disappointing.
I had a 1990 town car. The Michelins were gone at 34,000 miles. The motor, tranny and ride were excellent. Two fingers steering at highway speeds. For such a heavy car, the 4.7 liter V8 had good pickup.I had 6-way heated leather seats.Good car, great comfort, good gas mileage. Car had a Mafia-style 10 body trunk.
Just bought a 1990 Towncar signature series from an estate of a man whom passed away. It has 112k miles. Can't wait to tint her up and take a road trip even though it only gets 13 mpg.
It only had 150 horses under the hood , but at 270 ft lb torque you would not know it .Those cars could burn rubber and take off like a bullet from hell . you could place dead bodies in the trunk and the air suspension would relevel the car so that it would not drag at the back in any way .They only got maybe 12 to 15 miles to the gallon on a good day , and thats only if you weighed 130 lbs with the spare tire removed from the trunk . I miss those cars and all the screwing around with my girls in the back seats of my lincoln back in the day (yesiiiir hepieyiya).
There was definitely something wrong with your car I have had several Lincoln’s from 76 to 05 and the only one that was that hard on gas was the few I had with the big 460 cid 4 bbl my 81 tc average about 20 mpg and my 05 was the best it would get 34 mpg highway I reluctantly parted with it at 460k on the odometer because my nephew needed a car to get to work and I am still kicking myself in the butt for parting with it but I will get another one the newer ones just don’t drive or ride the same I would never dream of traveling across the country in one of the new uncomfortable cars they build now
I wouldn't exactly call a car that does 0-60 in over 11 seconds a "bullet out of hell". Even the piece of shit Lancer I had as a teenager could accelerate faster than that.
@@antoniojmonetti wonder how much more fun one of those would be with that AND a significantly more modern 6 speed... not necessarily a manual either... Hear an old Roadmaster from this same era can be turned into THE ultimate sleeper car with just these two things alone... but on the flipside, it's abundantly clear the panther cars were never meant for that much performance compared to the Caprice/Roadmasters... with notable exception to whatever they did to the crown vic police cars to make them pursuit worthy or whatever...
I hope someday we go back to this American luxury leading the way these were such great cars, and although people associate them as old peoples car, if Ford spent money, Lincoln could’ve been the leading brand of the world
I like this new design and remember seeing on the dealers lots one evening. The dash was certain an improvement over the previously tall ones. It needed carriage lights though, but that's an easy improvement. When I can get one plug-in electric, I'll take it.
+David Topchiev ..."This country can't build cars that compete with Accords and Camry's!"... Honda Accords sold in America are built in Marysville, Ohio; Toyota Camrys sold in America are built in Georgetown, Kentucky. Countries don't build cars, global corporations do. BTW, I wouldn't choose the Buick either...
david, your comment is ridiculous. That's all that you guys argue about. Torque. It makes 150bhp, it's slow as shit and weighs 2 tonnes. That's 75bhp per tonne. Try a mid 1980s BMW 533i, it had a 3.2L straight six engine, 194bhp with 210ft-lbs of torque. It would have destroyed a town car, especially with a manual transmission which was much faster than the stupid, sluggish 4 speed AOD found in the Town Car. You're American, I'm European, we have different opinions. However, you cannot argue that a great big stupid inefficient 5.0V8 is any good. The modular 4.6L V8 was alright, that was a basic engine with 240+bhp but that was later on.
David Topchiev 270 torque. The panther platform cars were dogs with the 5.0. Keep in mind my friends 1988 Toyota V6 pickup had 150 hp/180 ftp. The was no reason for Ford to de-tune the Town car's 5.0. Hard to believe just 4 years latter my 1994 Trans am had 285/325 stock. Different segment for sure but this car was a total dog to drive brand new in 1990. No way around it.
Watching these retro reviews make me wish for simpler times
@teletubbykiller54 more like tiny 4 cylinder... on a freaking THREE ROW SUV... just so they can claim it's more efficient than a full size sedan 20 years ago... but long term maintenance costs... I'll probably save a massive fortune buying literally anything used...
ah yes, back when I wasn't alive... so much simpler
Yeet Yee YEE 1990....ahhh the Gulf War, crash of commercial real estate in the US and impending dot com crash/bust and recession in less than a year. Simple times.
If you like slow cars. lol
Yeet Yee YEE I’m reading this comment in June 2020...I’m with you
I used to drive a 1990 Lincoln town Car for a Airport Transportation company! It Drove very smooth, nice roomy interior and a very huge trunk to carry plenty of luggage!...God Bless!
This was not a car but an attitude. Easygoing.
Ronald de Rooij true that i tend to be more relaxed in my 97 then any other car out there
Hard as it is to believe, the plant where these Lincolns were manufactured, has been fully razed. That was in Wixom, MI, where I once worked, and it was the most profitable plant in the world, at one time. It would generate $1B/year profits! But it now totally gone!
damn they will look back in history and see these as definitive mistakes. the modern car industry is crazy
The plant they moved to after that (St.Thomas Ontario) is gone aswell.
Sad! MAN, DAMN!
Sad 😢 😭
Always wanted to drive my 61 back to Wixom.
Will never happen now.
:(
This car looks so elegant.
I love how simple cars were
I agree, don´t like all the crappy electronics instaled in "modern" cars, saturate your life
Mario Torrez Quant you mean SAVE your life, right?
@@VideoAmericanStyle I think saturate is not the right Word, meaning electronics are not always helping
@@VideoAmericanStyle this boat is as safe as it gets, no need for anything else
Rob S It is very stable and has a strong structure. But wow, that car has lounge comfort.
Time has proven the Town Car to be the most durable and reliable of the American Luxury cars from the 90s right up to the end of production.
Along with the 1992-2011 Crown Victoria and Grand Marquis.
@@davidp8627 Since all three are based on the well proven and developed "Panther" platform, they are as tough as trucks. I have a "rule" for car durability: See what the police departments and taxi companies use. Get a car based on that platform. For decades the cops used Crown Vics .Some are STILL in service Police service - I saw a pre 1997 one IN SERVICE (It had the 92-96 "nose" and "greenhouse".) on a video at the Nashville Christmas incident! Buy a civilian owned "Panther" like A Mercury or a Lincoln, and it MIGHT out live YOU, and I'm a GM fan saying that! 👍😊👍
The Lexus ls may also be up there in terms of reliability
Can you go on long trips in it or is the Continental better?
American Comfort, Convenience, Craftsmanship and Luxury at its Finest.
I still have my 1990 towncar!!!
look at that nice velvet furniture absolutely classy gotta love the lincoln town car so big, beautiful, classy, and drives smooth
I still have brochures of these Lincoln's. I remember the slogan "What A Luxury Car Should Be". I miss those days.
"For aging eyesights, left-side engine readouts are large"
That means only old geezers buy these! ;)
Excellent feature, it's wonderful not having to hunt for that stuff!
Ford knew their target customer for the Town Car
@@albear972 Probably because 25 year olds have Ford money, Not Lincoln money.
If seeing how fast you're going is a problem, you might give up driving at that point... Only in America folks...
150hp V8? Times sure have changed.
+Zack Lewine The 1990 Cadillac Fleetwood had similar power at 180 hp, 245 lb/ft torque and a curb weight of 3700 lbs.
+Zack Lewine Torque monster. Its a Luxo Liner than can pull trailers and loads.
now 150 hp 4 cyl sucks lol
+Luke Hoisington those 4 cylinder engines now don't have half the torque these v8s had. they could pull a 6% grade hill without even downshifting.
+kma198199 Many 2 liter 4 cylinder engines have at least 280 lb-ft of torque.
This was my favorite towncar body. I sure miss all three of mine. There is no better car in the world to go on a road trip in.
Bring a small pillow though, lest you end up with a lower backache :(
@@Snubrevolver never had a problem with that
@@robs1052 I definitely felt it after 6-8 hours driving. I used to have a 2003 Town Car and the lack of sufficient lumbar support was evident. Don't get me wrong though it was one of the best cars I've ever owned.
I drove my 91 Colony Park (also a Panther) from Oklahoma City to Northern Indian in one day and arrived remarkably fresh. An excellent long distance machine.
This was my favorite Towncar body too.
This is one of the last styles for the Town Car that I liked. The model after this looked "bloated".
They improved a lot around 2003 and up. Way more KING LOOKING🐯🐯🐯🐯🔱🔱🔱THE PRESIDENTIAL LINCOLN TOWN CARS ARE GREAT.
@@geocam2 It's a,Great YEAR. 2006!,BLOATED MADE IT LOOK PRESIDENTIAL! A,RARE MODEL. WE OWN TWO! A,DREAM! WE LOVE THEM. MANY SAY THIS WAS A,GREAT YEAR 2006, 2007, ETC
@@geocam2 Guy, you have a Diamond in your 2006!,we have the Rare Presidential edition.. what is yours??
Your bloated!!!
@@geocam2 Swell? Where'd you learn to talk like that?
When he was whippin through those cones i absolutely lost it! Hilarious
Couch on wheels! Dig the red velour !
Toasters are uncomplicated appliances with heating elements, a thermostat, switches, and plugs and cords. Most of the time when they malfunction, they just haven’t been cleaned thoroughly enough. Of course the heating elements can burn out after time, and plugs, cords, and switches get faulty, but if you maintain your toaster as suggested below, the toaster should give you years of service before the electrical parts wear out.
If you get a shock when you touch the toaster, it’s not grounded. Get a replacement from the store or take it to a professional for repairs.
What to do when your toast won’t stay down
The latch that locks the carriage in place may be blocked by crumbs. To clean them out, you need a screwdriver, canned air or a handheld pump, and lubricant, which you can get at an appliance service center. Now follow these steps:
Unplug the toaster.
Remove the carriage lever and unscrew the front cover.
When the cover is off, blow any crumbs from the latch assembly.
Test the latch to make sure it moves up and down easily. If it still sticks, apply a little lubricant.
Look at the heating coils too to see whether all the crumbs have been removed. If not, blow them out with the forced air.
After cleaning and lubricating the toaster, put the cover back, plug it in, and fix yourself some toast.
If the toast still won’t go up or down, buy yourself a new toaster.
What to do when the toast won’t pop up
Your toaster’s thermostat may be set incorrectly. To reset it, follow these steps:
Unplug the toaster.
Take off the carriage lever and front cover and look for a knob, screw, or nut located near the toast light-to-dark control on the outside of most toasters.
Turn the knob, screw, or switch to the left, as on the lighter-control position.
Replace the cover, plug in the toaster, and test it by toasting a piece of bread.
If the toast still burns, then the thermostat has to be reset. This is controlled either by a dial or lever usually on the front of the toaster. You can reset the thermostat. Here’s how.
If you turn a dial to make the toast light-to-dark, take the dial knob off.
Readjust the screw behind it, turning it toward “lighter” on the toaster - or darker if the bread won’t toast.
You’ll probably have to turn the screw only slightly, not a full turn.
Put the knob back on and test the toaster with a slice of bread.
If the toast is still dark, then adjust the screw a little again.
If your toaster has a lever controlling light and dark, bend it slightly up or down. For instance if you want your toast lighter, and the display for lighter is at the top of the lever channel, then you will bend the lever up.
What if your toast won’t stay down and the toaster buzzes?
This usually happens because the toaster hasn’t cooled off. You can correct this problem by setting the control to dark or just depressing the lever again. If waiting or resetting the control doesn’t work, then the solenoid switch needs to be replaced, a moderately difficult repair. Call for a service estimate and if it’s too high, buy a new toaster
+Mister ThrowUp I dream about toasters every day!
+Mister ThrowUp Writing about toasters takes a lot more effort than reading it. If you read it that is :).
+Fussinated copy/paste. Very handy feature.
Ronald de Rooij I was referring to the writer of the article, but yes obviously he copy/pasted.
They should make them like this again, updated for the times.
Just bought one today. Thing is mint, one owner. No rust dents cherry.
I got one last night! all white navy interior XD
@@Myspacedays nice, my 85 cutlass is white and blue interior.
@@killerbeargaming6707 My 1994, is bright red from outside and maroon from the inside
Bring back the bench seat!!
YES!
@@JELmusic I drove plenty of those, but not in a Lincoln Town Car.
@Parker Weatly Even with a split bench, there's nothing better than being able to slide your ass over as opposed to getting out and walking around to switch seats!
I LOVE bench seats. Had it in a few of my cars. Had a 11' Caddy DTS Livery that had it. Got totalled and replaced with another 11' DTS but Premium. Every option but came with floor shift+5 seats standard. Sold to my dad and bought a 14' ESV. Still missed the bench seat and I just added a 97' LTC Cartier ❤. Got my bench seat back and it makes it easy for naughty adult activity too lol.
Hate bench seats. I’m 6’1” and when I would ride with a 5’2” person they had the seat so far up to reach the pedals my knees were in the glove box. Split bench or buckets......
The 1990-1997 Town Car is the most sought after version; you knew what this car was coming down the road, and the 2003-2010 model was nice as well. Lincoln is a far better car than Cadillac, especially for reliability, and the Town Car is no exception, but Lincoln needs a large rear drive sedan and coupe for it's market...
2011
I have a black on black 2011 mine was never a limo or taxi so hard to find now
Yeah everybody avoids the 98-02 Town Cars like the plague and who can blame them
98-2002 were good cars, but butt ugly. It was a horrible disappointment after the 95-97 Town Cars, which were some of the best looking Lincolns since the early 70s.
@@joshuajordan8574 1998-2002 Town Car was 6 inches shorter than the Ford Crown Victoria and Mercury Grand Marquis, and the reason was that there was 6 inches of space that was removed on the Town Car to cater to younger buyers. Lincoln also removed the hood ornament, and a Town Car is SUPPOSED TO HAVE A HOOD ORNAMENT. IN 2003, body was squared back up, along with putting back the hood ornament. I've owned 2 Town Cars, and they were wonderful. They were better cars than any Cadillac I've ever had to drive, and Lincoln made a car that was reliable and comfortable, unlike Cadillac.
I love the way this body looks. And for the time, it performed surprisingly well in crash tests. It would be great to take one of these and rebuild it with better breaks, suspension, and a big lazy V8. Keeping the comfort, but improving the handling.
Just imagine this same car with a Coyote DOHC 5.0 and a 10-Speed (and a AWD version for ppl that cant drive RWD in the snow) and all the tech from the dearly departed Continental.
Brakes* 🙄
Lincoln is in a slump, it's time to bring back the Town Car name! My wife's mother still owns one of these, such a nice cruiser.
+Acc0rd79 totally correct
+Acc0rd79 Panther Platform was discontinued in the Winter of 2011...and with much protest from Cab Companies,Law-Enforcement, and Car-Hire Companies.
All that's left now for "Ford/Lincoln" are very old and obsolete-bastard "evolved"Mitsubishi/Mazda FWD Platforms which Ford,Volvo,Hyundai-Kia, and Chrysler,etc. have been using for decades.
Yeah boring..... the designs arnt any different to any other brand.
zzzzzzz
I agree. they need to bring back the Town Car though the 2017 Continental is a very nice car and has features that will give Mercedes competition.
+Todd Clark
Ford is broke.....with massive debt. Wonder why the F Series retail-prices have gone through the roof? It's only dependable source in keeping Ford afloat globally...and too make quarterly payments on those 10s of Billions it owes banks.
Ford did not have enough cash to keep the Panther Platform afloat........no money to pay for new dies,tooling. That's why it went away.
Big 3 will probably be out of the car-market in a couple of decades. Japanese/Koreans are already taking over the market with mostly assembled USA vehicles for the high-volume units.
Cadillac(GM) is not in touch with passenger-car customers wants and needs. On the new CT6....it basically a stretched Commodore sedan. GM went for the $1.00 door handle/latch assemblies;even though customers in focus-group studies preferred the rather ornate $3.50 cent units.
Almost $100,000 for a loaded CT6, and the company that makes it went cheap. Few people will buy it.Wonder why? Auto Journalists have notes, it's interior is put together with less-than materials. Same attitude at Ford/Fiat-Chrysler.....screw the customer and skimp on important details.
Wonder why the S-Class is the most popular Full-size luxury car in the World? GM....40 years ago owned that market with products that consumers wanted.
Every so often I see one of these on the road, and usually it's condition is average... just another car. "Hey, a town car." Doesn't sink in until later that the thing is almost thirty years old and still just running around like it's nothing special. Caught in a time bubble... happens to the first gen Taurus too, you spot a nice one and it's not significant enough in the mind from a mid-90's car to make that contact that it's a mid EIGHTIES car and all it's competition looked like bricks. That shiny 1'st gen Taurus you spot could be THIRTY THREE YEARS OLD.
Do you remember 2000, fellow old farts? A thirty year old car in 2000 would have been from 1970. Tell me the state of the automobile never improved....
My grandfather, up until last year, drove a 1994 Town Car, and it was a great car. Now he has a 2004 Town Car, and it's just as luxurious as his 1994 was, but even more! (:
Still see quite a few on the road today.
Dual airbags on a 1990 Lincoln Town Car? Amazing!!
in 1995 my hyundai lantra gls had them too
It was initially standard with dual airbags, but when the facility that produced the passenger airbag propellant caught fire, the passenger airbag became a delete option with a credit for the missing airbag on the window sticker. Owners of those Town Cars had the option to add the missing airbag at the price of the credit issued once supplies became available. Starting in early 1992, all Town Cars had dual airbags from the factory. I think this also applied to the Continental from these days
I feel old, I remember shopping with my parents for one of these when I was in my late 20's. :((
did you see how far the back end came up when that boat got on the brakes?
Yes, and that' s insane. The journalist called it far better handling, ignoring that this is a very important issue for the car behind. Egocentric handling, maybe, but even not so. Unpleasant it is, anyway.
It about did a front flip! Lol
7A dumbass
I can tell you from an experience I had today with my mint 1994 Town Car. A herd of deer jumped in front me, I slammed the brakes and mine did the same thing. Sent groceries flying all over the car but it was easy to keep in a straight line and stopped quickly.
LOL. "boat"! in the 1970s, this car would have been classed as mid sized. The '90 Town Car is a baby compared to a '79 Town Car.
i definitely prefer the 89's styling. the boxy style was the best!
+filthy sanchez It was a very nice style with the Mark VI and Town Car. They look awful when they're all ragged out though.
filthy sanchez that rolls grille was hard to beat!
If I'm going for the classic look I'll do it on a 79 please
Honestly when I look at all the cars on the road today any gen of the towncar looks great in comparison
This car is way faster than you think... Mafia sized trunk.. Tons of room inside.. Great Reliability. Awesome car.. Good on gas too.
No its not. They're slower than molasses. I had one, and it was literally the worst car I've ever owned. Overheating, saggy suspension... last Ford product I ever owned. ever.
+9890jsp I had one too, it is one of my favorite cars i've ever owned. I different strokes i guess...
+jmytng9 I honestly can't think of one good thing about it.. I guess interior space? It was horrible at everything else, including staying running.
I think it is a situation where you either love everything about it or you don't. I for one love the ride the styling the seats the dash the smoothness, everything! Its all about the attitude with this car.
It is common to see these town cars with 350,000 to 500,000 miles or more.. Great cars for sure.. Just look at them on Craigslist for sale.. Not that I would want one with that many miles on it...
IM PROUD TO SAY MY FIRST CAR WAS A 1993 LINCOLN TOWN CAR I STILL HAVE IT AND I WANT TO BE BURRIED IN IT!!!
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Man get a Hyundai. 👌👳👳🐓❄️
Too much digging.
Damn
Dirty Harry can arrange that 😀
The Townie is one of the all time great sedans. Great ride ,reliability ,decent mileage. I love these full size sedans.
My friends uncle had a 91' model, minus the clear coat fading it was a great car, and got decent gas mileage on it, he had it up until the brakes went out on it 4 years ago and totaled it, even though it was 21 years old I was told both airbags still worked flawlessly
I LOVE velour interiors. They're now extinct.
I love watching the test driver leaning into turns like he's on a bike!! lol gotta love that 70's cop-like steering, suspension & bench! The driver's mustache and shades fit the theme, too!!
I miss that GORGEOUS Ford red interior....before bland khaki was standard.
"Less tendency to float" as the interior shot shows it bobbing up and down like a damn dolphin.
Yeah... Because it was on a rolling course designed to do that to a car. It actually did very well, a 1989 car would have continued to bounce well after the section was passed.
Remington K thought the same thing
Oh how standards have changed. I have a 03 grand marquis and honestly it's not that floaty. You can definitely feel the frame though, it rides somewhere between a suburban and a camry of the same year imo
moron
That's at 4:19 LOL
These cars were awesome. I had two.
I never tire to listen to this well made video. 1990 Lincoln Town Car made Motor Trends Car of the Year Award !!
I now own my mom's 1996 Lincoln Town Car 249k + original miles. No engine rebuild or transmission rebuild yet
The 90 Town Car was a great improvement in all the right areas. Remember this was 26 years ago and the engineers were designing the new 90 in 1987-90. The 91 4.6 brought even more improvements and better mpg and acceleration. This car should be compared to a 90 Cadillac Brougham or even a 93 Brougham.
+Freddy Hollingsworth Thats a good comparison-90 Brougham vs Town Car. Brougham had standard digital instrumentation and standard abs brakes. Brougham also used a more modern electronic climate control and the optional EFI 5.7L engine was more powerful than Fords 5.0. 90 Town Car was a fresh modern design and offered the trip computer as an option and had dual airbags. Both cars have aged well IMO but I didn't care for the Broughams standard carbureted engine.
I wouldn't say it was designed in 1987-90. This generation of Town Car was pretty finalised by mid-1986 (clip at 1:56 above is from 1986) and received engineering sign-off in December 1988, ahead of production start-up in the second half of 1989. The only thing new in late 1990 was the 4.6L V8. There is a deep backstory on development of this from 1985 to 1988.
@@TeeroyHammermill carburetor was old by 1990, the towncar was "hip" and new but the brougham had more metal for the money and the classic late 70s bodystyle.
A favorite in the lowrider community. Salute the mighty Lincoln Town Car!!! :)
Jo
My uncle back in the 80’s used to replace with a brand new town cars every 3 or 4 years and each new generation was improved so much more from the previous generations! So smooth and best highway cruiser in the world!
Thats a goddamn good car.
Too bad its not yellow...
@jsalo - Are you asking God to DAMN the LincolnTownCar ?!? Ehhh?
Love this car! I wish I could have one
I bought one of these with a cracked exhaust manifold at an auction for $300 years ago. Fixed it and took it for a spin a couple times. It was the comfiest ride on highways. Eventually sold it but always regretted doing so.
Erwin Schrödinger actually you're incorrect . She had a dollar sign before the 300 and wouldn't need a comma .
+Max Schlotter true. Got him
@@justinpino8115 hahaha Got him!
That front end dipping during the emergency stop test is downright hilarious
Interesting how in the first 40 seconds he wonders about how successful Nissan (Infiniti) and Toyota (Lexus) will be in the luxury car market. I think we know how that played out.
Toyota did well with lexus. Nissan totally missed the mark with their luxury brand attempt.
@@gregbaird7582 Nissan has been very successful with their luxury brand; Infiniti
I don't know why, but whenever I see this particular car, it reminds me of Bill Clinton and New York City !
There are a lot of presidential Rapist around.
Hopefully there wasn't that much "whitewater" on the seats for whomever bought the car used...😂
Tbh, this would be nice for Abraham Lincoln! But the car I imagine it suiting Clinton is a Cadillac. A '93 Brougham or, maybe, a '92 STS!
im pretty sure some chauffeur services used town cars so thats probably why you think of nyc when you see this beautiful car
@@MSX98FMDnB Those were the years
this car is absolutely awesome, my grandma owns a 1991 model and it still runs well even with 250K+ miles on the odometre
Best redesign of a luxury car ever
Recently aquired a 97 Town Car Signature in Pearl Metallic... beautiful car and the addition on Bilstein shocks has tamed the whale and now have a genuine road car.
This car was awesome then, and it's still awesome now! I WANT ONE!
I'm SOOO fortunate to have found a '96 Signature Touring Edition with the Ride Control Package back in 2003. What's that? Believe it or not, a Town Car with the Police Interceptor frame, power train and suspension. 178,000 miles and no end in sight. Passengers have asked if I have 100 lbs. of pressure in the tires (the ride's a bit stiff for a TC, but I LOVE the firm steering and near-total lack of body roll), but they always look forward to a ride in the "mafia staff car." Did I mention it's black over silver with black leather interior? I think I'm going to be buried in it... 😉
We rented these a few times in Las Vegas in the 90s, the perfect car for cruising the strip!
That styling still holds up! Like, I would comfortably drive that even today if it were new like in the video.
I miss my living room on wheels...
I just bought a 92 Town Car with 51k original miles. I’ll never trade this car in for a newer car. NEVER!!
I just bought my third one a couple weeks ago, a nice '97. It's in fantastic condition, it has 212k miles on it but it still runs and drives perfectly and surprisingly every single thing still works! An awesome deal too for only $800.
I drove one from this model generation. I booked a compact car back in 96, but Budget had none on their lot, so they upgraded me to a Town Car for free. 😁 I'd never buy a car like this, but it definitely made a leisurely ride that weekend.
had that exact car i miss my towncar was an awesome drift missile in the snow
close to 30 mpg hwy too
30 years on - still beautiful
Man. That maroon lincoln was leanin in that turn. Cool stuff man.👍. P.s. like the rims. Clean. That guy was excited to get in that car. Help him feel like rich millionaire. Store the money in the trunk.
This is a perfect example of a transition from the 80's to the 90's. Its just needed 100 more HP and wider tires.
What if customers and buyers of this car need a more powerful engine? Do you think Ford will update it?
I always loved the 1991-94 and 1995-1997 Town Car. Beautiful, elegant, full-size, traditional American luxury. I miss American luxury cars like this that died off with the trend of everything being sporty and European inspired.
Saw a burgundy ‘90 town car signature series on Craigslist last July. I wanted a car to drive to work, as my 1994 Cadillac Deville is way too nice to take on gravels and side roads. The ad for the town car was for 850 dollars. Met the old farmer who had it, handed him 500 dollars, shook hands, and drove it an hour home. Bought it with 203,XXX miles and have since put 10,000 on. Nothing done to it but changed the oil and filter. She stands up to a lot of abuse, and I must say the steering and ride is superb (the back suspension is crown Vic springs though). I’ve had it up to 130 on the highway, SO SMOOTH. Yes, the speedometer only goes to 85 but I passed a friend who was going 120 and I passed him with ease. 5.0 V8 Power Baby 😂. Yes you can accuse me of abuse but at the same time my car was bought as a farm car, and will be continued to be used like one. Although I wouldn’t mind finding a nice one to compliment my caddy, because if my “beater Lincoln” can survive high speeds on the highway, jumps, ruts, and mud holes on gravel, as well as trailer towing, I feel it would make a great show/road trip car for daily use. “Pass everything but a gas station!”
They had power trunk pull downs on Town Cars before. My 86 has it.
It's funny how insanely rounded these looked back in '90 whereas now today all I see are straight lines and boxy forms.
Beautiful straight lines and boxy forms though 😉
Cars are going boxy again
My dad woulda whooped my ass if I slammed his Town car trunk closed like that!
Lincoln car 🚗 are my favorite, they are the best luxury town car ever to be built in the 90th, but I appreciate the service and the rating. Keep it up Motor Week.
My friend’s Uncle had one of these. Man the seats felt like a couch
I took my '90 Towncar to the drag strip, ran a 19.6 at 68mph, of course it had 150k miles on it.
funny you mention drag racing your Lincoln. I've been to many a grudge match drag race and Towncars vs Impalas (or whatever) were always fun to watch.
My Pappy said: "Son,you're gonna drive me to drinkin' if you don't stop drivin' that Hot Rod Lincoln"!
I Drive a 97 the last year of this body style it's a sweet car it took me forever to find one worth buying but I finally got it not sure which body style I like best I've drove the real big onewith the 460 I think maybe the 80s version might be the best if you were talking brand new take your pick it's still hard though to pick a winner not really a fan of the 98 and newer model but maybe as time passes if I found a really nice one I could change my mind
You said it
It was initially standard with dual airbags, but when the facility that produced the passenger airbag propellant caught fire, the passenger airbag became a delete option with a credit for the missing airbag on the window sticker. Owners of those Town Cars had the option to add the missing airbag at the price of the credit issued once supplies became available. Starting in early 1992, all Town Cars had dual airbags from the factory. I think this also applied to the Continental from these days.
I had one as a company car in the 90s. A dream to ride in. Body roll of a schoolbus 😃. Loved the car.
Legendary Great car!!!!
I wish today's cars had velour seats and high pile carpet. Looks super comfy!
“For aging eye sights.”
Lincoln was like “We know who’s buying our cars.”
When I lived in NYC I used to get these Towncars to the airport every second week. They were comfortable mobile living rooms.
I want one. Seriously.
Velour. Now there's something you don't see anymore, but it makes a fine alternative.I personally love the smell, and feel of a soft leather much more though.
It seems like car leather in general is crap compared to what it was 15-20 years ago. It's stiff, like vinyl, and very disappointing.
I had a 1990 town car. The Michelins were gone at 34,000 miles. The motor, tranny and ride were excellent. Two fingers steering at highway speeds. For such a heavy car, the 4.7 liter V8 had good pickup.I had 6-way heated leather seats.Good car, great comfort, good gas mileage. Car had a Mafia-style 10 body trunk.
Just bought a 1990 Towncar signature series from an estate of a man whom passed away. It has 112k miles. Can't wait to tint her up and take a road trip even though it only gets 13 mpg.
That Town Car will get better mileage than that.
i find it funny that more 91 town cars are still running and more powerful!
@kennedy796 - re: "i find it funny...." What exactly are you "funny" about the 91 town car??" Still laughing ?!?
It only had 150 horses under the hood , but at 270 ft lb torque you would not know it .Those cars could burn rubber and take off like a bullet from hell . you could place dead bodies in the trunk and the air suspension would relevel the car so that it would not drag at the back in any way .They only got maybe 12 to 15 miles to the gallon on a good day , and thats only if you weighed 130 lbs with the spare tire removed from the trunk . I miss those cars and all the screwing around with my girls in the back seats of my lincoln back in the day (yesiiiir hepieyiya).
but it lacks top speed
@@estebanquito545 limited but plenty for what it needs to be
There was definitely something wrong with your car I have had several Lincoln’s from 76 to 05 and the only one that was that hard on gas was the few I had with the big 460 cid 4 bbl my 81 tc average about 20 mpg and my 05 was the best it would get 34 mpg highway I reluctantly parted with it at 460k on the odometer because my nephew needed a car to get to work and I am still kicking myself in the butt for parting with it but I will get another one the newer ones just don’t drive or ride the same I would never dream of traveling across the country in one of the new uncomfortable cars they build now
Good think Im a skinny little fucker
I wouldn't exactly call a car that does 0-60 in over 11 seconds a "bullet out of hell". Even the piece of shit Lancer I had as a teenager could accelerate faster than that.
Woah... CD player in 1989. Intense. As a middle schooler very into technology, I don't even recall hearing about CDs until 1991.
Town Car needs a supercharger!!!
@@antoniojmonetti wonder how much more fun one of those would be with that AND a significantly more modern 6 speed... not necessarily a manual either... Hear an old Roadmaster from this same era can be turned into THE ultimate sleeper car with just these two things alone... but on the flipside, it's abundantly clear the panther cars were never meant for that much performance compared to the Caprice/Roadmasters... with notable exception to whatever they did to the crown vic police cars to make them pursuit worthy or whatever...
The car that changed the world.
Thank You!! Keep the Panther videos coming! Always liked these! Do you have an 88-91 Mercury Grand Marquis review?
I hope someday we go back to this American luxury leading the way these were such great cars, and although people associate them as old peoples car, if Ford spent money, Lincoln could’ve been the leading brand of the world
Man I am SO glad the crushed velour interiors fell out of favor! I ALWAYS hated that Sh!t, lol.
4:20 he says less float. Wow.
I had the 1994 model in blue color 💙 I miss the 90s
Same, Although mine is red
I lol'ed at "a power trunk pull down" being started as a forest time option when my old 1988 model had this.
Same reaction, my 89 has this too
Ford should have updated the Towncar and put the Mustang 5.0L with 6 sp automatic. It would sell like ... well they would sell tons of them.
Not for 40k when a buick Lesabre was going for around 20k, different market unfortunately. It doesn't take much money to do that nowadays though.
4:23 what the fuck
I think they were testing on a bumpy surface..
I owned a 91 it drove like dream....awesome car a real land boat
I like this new design and remember seeing on the dealers lots one evening. The dash was certain an improvement over the previously tall ones. It needed carriage lights though, but that's an easy improvement. When I can get one plug-in electric, I'll take it.
Even in 1990 a 150hp V8 was pathetic.
No it did not, it had a 5.0L v8 with 150bhp. The newer model had the same engine as the Crown Vic.
David Topchiev you are right
+David Topchiev ..."This country can't build cars that compete with Accords and Camry's!"... Honda Accords sold in America are built in Marysville, Ohio; Toyota Camrys sold in America are built in Georgetown, Kentucky. Countries don't build cars, global corporations do. BTW, I wouldn't choose the Buick either...
david, your comment is ridiculous. That's all that you guys argue about. Torque. It makes 150bhp, it's slow as shit and weighs 2 tonnes. That's 75bhp per tonne. Try a mid 1980s BMW 533i, it had a 3.2L straight six engine, 194bhp with 210ft-lbs of torque. It would have destroyed a town car, especially with a manual transmission which was much faster than the stupid, sluggish 4 speed AOD found in the Town Car. You're American, I'm European, we have different opinions. However, you cannot argue that a great big stupid inefficient 5.0V8 is any good. The modular 4.6L V8 was alright, that was a basic engine with 240+bhp but that was later on.
David Topchiev 270 torque. The panther platform cars were dogs with the 5.0. Keep in mind my friends 1988 Toyota V6 pickup had 150 hp/180 ftp. The was no reason for Ford to de-tune the Town car's 5.0. Hard to believe just 4 years latter my 1994 Trans am had 285/325 stock. Different segment for sure but this car was a total dog to drive brand new in 1990. No way around it.