Initial thoughts about the new Canon R5II and R1 camera bodies based on the specifications announced. www.whistlingwingsphotography.com www.speed-shooter.com
No, I'm not excited about the R5 mkII. I recognize that it's an improvement over the R5, but it doesn't exist in a vacuum. There are a lot of exciting things going on in Sony and Nikon land that push the boundaries of camera technology farther, for one. And there has been a lot of effort by Canon to improve their cameras for sports, but there was zero talk of any efforts regarding improving performance for wildlife shooting, leading to a dispiriting impression they just don't care much about the wildlife market segment. No announcements about amazing AI autofocus algorithms that improve the camera's ability to track birds among branches, for instance. No quad pixel AF to eliminate annoying focus jumping onto backgrounds. Even the low light focusing capabilities have not caught up to the competition, from what I've heard. The only thing that's excited me has been the addition of pre-capture. So, yes, the R1 is an improvement over the R3, and the R5 II an improvement over the R5. But neither achieved the level of improvement to outpace the competition or even to meet the level of expected of new cameras after such long development periods. Canon's engineering team seems to be having some very serious struggles.
I seems a lot of effort has been on sports and also video. I am going to withhold my judgment until I shoot these cameras for birds. There may be more to each of them for birds/wildlife than first meets the eye.
I’d just get the r3 rather than pay all that cash for a 24MP R1. But I’ll wait to see how this all pans out. I preordered the r5m2 because i need to be free of rolling shutter.
Agreed, rolling shutter elimination is necessary. R1 needed to be at least 32mp IMO, but I will give it a try at 24mp as I want to see the cross-type AF and see what that does to AF behavior.
Since my Macaws are usually perched indoors and outdoors, I will order the R3. Canon will probably never make a high resolution camera again in a full-size body. I love the large 1Dx Mark 2 body, but not willing to pay $2K more for an R1 when the R3 will more than meet my photo/video needs, plus the body is larger than the R5/R6 bodies. I laugh when seeing the Sony and Canon bodies with the aftermarket hand grips that store 2 small batteries, but in a world controlled by profit, we have been forced to find the best products that meet our needs most. Great video, thanks for sharing you wisdom and expertise!
When I am shooting I am concentrating on my subject and I really do not see the frame flicker. A fake shutter noise is a much better option for me. How about if you have the fake noise on there is no frame and if you have it off there is a frame. That should be doable.
My understanding of the upscaling is it only works for JPGs. It'll be interesting to see how that works compared to something like Gigapixel. Same with the neural noise reduction.
@@rherteux Yes it has to be that way. A jpeg is already an AI processed file from a pretty crude raw. They've had about 2 years of field testing their neural network with real customers in the field using backend data off of the R3 and now they are willing to extend its resolution. A vector-capable coprocessor gives them the ability to do that.
@@whistlingwingsphotography Curious, why did you not find that to be incredibly useful, and if it was better on the R5 II would that maybe change your mind? If you have a bird in busy surroundings or maybe multiple birds together and you just want to focus on one, wouldn't the eye control be even easier/faster than having to move to the button you devoted to spot focus and lock in that way?
Looking forward to feedback once these have been in the field for 3 to 4 months. Perhaps the R5 Mkll could be my x-mas gift to myself….or a Z-8 with 600 f/6.3 time will tell. Looking forward to your future impressions. Tks and keep up the great work.
I’m not upgrading my R5. It’s still good for me with the 100-500. But, if I were starting over that Z8 600 6.3 would be my go to! Nikon is embracing wildlife photography. I would love to be able to rent that for a few days. Really wondering if the grass is greener! Seems rentals are a thing of the past.
Ordered the R1 cause I feel the need for speed. Shooting airshows and indoor/outdoor sports. Got the 100-300 and now hoping for the announcement of the 200-500 during the Olympics!!!
Yes, let's hope the 200-500 is not far off. I love the flexibility a zoom brings and the 200-500 will replace my 600mm f/4 to gain that flex. I hope you are correct about the announcement coming as soon as the Olym.
Speculation: The R5MkII can use an image to register a specific face so that it can detect that face and focus track it even in a crowd of people. So maybe it could do the same to focus track a Bald Eagle's face. Since they all look similar, why cant it track them in that same way?
I will likely keep my two R3’s and wait to hear about battery life, AF, and high ISO performance before I replace one with one of these new cameras. My biggest disappointment was no mention of new glass. Would really like to see a fast, constant aperture L series zoom for wildlife.
@15.47 It's not a big deal until all of your paid photos for a wedding are on your CF Express card that decided to get corrupted and files are now on your much slower backup SD card. I would have bought an R5ii if they had kept it the same price or added a second CF Express card slot for $4,200. Heat is not an issue for a second CF Express slot. I feel it has more to do with Canon's bottom line.
Hi Ron Ordered the R5 after watching announcement video and reviews. Based decision on whether the updates met my needs. Additions such as stacked sensor and pre capture were essential. Eye focus may be interesting but never tried. R1 too small a sensor, additional features over R5 not helpful to me and the cost. If these cameras can track ball movement theoretically they could track a Dunlin in a flock of sanderlings. May be useful if possible.
I too am wanting to try the new AF systems to see how this tracking might work for birds. I hope I am pleasantly surprised. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Yes l did hear it has a false shutter noise and it would as the R7 and R6ii have it. I am not sure why everyone was so upset about the original precapture all you had to do to put in lightroom was move the images out of the file in camera.
Hi Ron... Im still loving everything the R3 gives me... its an amazing camera with a battery that drives my 600m lens with no problems and consistently shoots 4000 shots on one charge... and the quality of the 24 pixels is amazing !!!! :-)
Agreed. The R3 is a great body. I am hoping the R5II will provide the AF of the R3 and then I will have everything I ever wanted in a body for my bird photography (45mp is the sweet spot for res for me.)
I'm not ordering either. I was pretty confident the rumors were accurate and I just traded my R5 and 100-500 in on a Fuji GFX 100 II and the GF500 5.6. I'll keep my R3 and RF600 F4 and TC's for fast moving subjects and reach but will use the Fuji for closer larger and slower animals. I'm not a big megapixel person I'm happy with the 24mp R3 but I wanted a medium format for other things and when Fuji released the 500mm it made it possible to use it for some wildlife also. With the 1.4tc it gives the field of view of 550mm on full frame so not bad and 400mm without the TC and that's good for large mammals. I was waiting to buy for when the R1 came out and it didn't sound like a big upgrade over the R3 so I added the Fuji. I was hoping the R5 II would have the R3 smart controller, I love that thing.
I think they took the R1 in the right direction. I was afraid they would take it to 45mp instead of "completing" or taking the auto-focus to what it could be relative to the R3. You really can't have both. O
Interesting to see what the R1 AF is really like. I hope they make it available before the end of the year. An earlier release would be a nice surprise.
Hi Ron always a great video to watch I have the R5 Fancy a change pre ordered the R1 years ago 24 pixels was a lot things have come a long way with sensors and technology and auto focus the old 1 DX cameras great for wildlife
Yep, a lot of people feel this way from what I am hearing. When you really look at the R1 specs one does get the impression that this is a refresh of the R3 with a better AF system. The cross type AF may be a real improvement for the R1 over the already great AF in the R3.
Hi Ron hope you get to review both bodies in the field. I have the R3 currently, looking forward to you putting that R5ii through some testing. I am swaying towards the R5 ii with the 45mp.. Thanks for all your posts on You Tube your views and knowledge has helped me greatly in my wildlife photography.
Great video! I ordered the R5 II at 3 am pst! One thing you didn’t mention was how fast does the camera turn on when you put your eye to the viewfinder. I actually asked Canon on one of their videos and they said 0.4 seconds. Hopefully that’s faster than the original R5!
Good point. The R3 is basically instantaneous in this respect, the R5II needs to be the same and given the R5II is getting the EVF of the R3 I am expecting that instant response. We shall see.
It is meant for video use and most video use is not in vertical orientation so this does not seem like a problem. Well, unless all you shoot is video for Instagram in vertical. Then it is a problem I guess.
Hi Ron. Thanks for your rundown of some of the new features of the mk ii. Like you, I own an RF 600mm f4 and I'm wondering if the new R5 mk ii with it's redesigned batteries will be able to power the dual AF motors the way the R3 does. And also, when you are using the RF 600mm do you notice an improvement in AF speed with the R3 over the R5?
Hi Ron ...love your very informative videos... not sure about upgrading my R5 just yet... but my question is about Topaz (I have the DeNoise and Sharpen standalone versions)... is the newer Photo AI app worth upgrading to given the several improvements in the R5 Mk II
I use all three Topaz products. I find they all provide a bit different performance depending on the image. I find Photo AI does the best at removing heavier noise, but it can produce some weird sharpening artifacts on some images. So,, I like DeNoise for most of my images. For the R5II, I can't say at this time. I will need to run a lot of R5II image through all three products to see what works the best most of the time.
Thanks for a stimulating video Ron. I eagerly await your (and others) review of the R5-II. The upscaling is a new thing. Might be very useful when you have that perfect "portrait" shot. Not so much with BIF. The precapture looks interesting. 30 FPS. Less noise, And reduced rolling shutter. Lots to look forward to.
I am really looking forward to hopefully no discernable rolling shutter in ES. I just with the R5II would have gotten the cross-type AF the R1 has. Then I would be really looking forward to what I think would be a top notch bird body.
To me the fact that the Mk. II will have a BSI stacked sensor with a read out speed that hopefully will eliminate rolling shutter effect is likely enough to make the upgrade worth it for me given what I shoot most often. I can see some people not needing that improvement not going for the Mk. II. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Much appreciated.
@whistlingwingsphotography I think the R5 will come down in price alot now so that becomes a good option for me now. It's a balance between using 5000 on a holiday to Costa Rica and using the R7 with its limitations over a new R5ii. It will be interesting to see what the R5ii is like compared to the Z8
i spoke with a guy at the shop today that got to shoot it . he said the focus is unreal .. best he has ever seen He told me the r1 was a big dissapointment and that the nfl shooters told him they would be getting the r5 mark 2 over the r1
@@whistlingwingsphotography he said the eye focus gave him a head ache so he turned it off.. thats the focus that works with ur eye he also said it seemed a little heavier .. after talking with him I feel better about r5 mark 2 even though i was hoping for 60 mp
I am wondering if the "register people priority" will work for birds? For example, If I register the face of a Blue Heron, and I go to the wildlife refuge, will it prioritize a blue heron in the midst of a bunch of Egrets? - and then, if so, would this work with even smaller birds, like a Cardinal vs a bunch of Sparrows?
That is a great question and something I cannot wait to try. It may be that a lot of the features of these new cameras, although not intended for birds and wildlife, might still turn out to be useful. We will have fun or frustration in trying this stuff once we get the camera.
If the camera is not moving the sensor around to create a higher resolution image, then it is just up-resing just like software, which to me means it is a fake feature that should not be in the camera. I sure hope I am wrong about this because if I’m not it means Canon is out of ideas and is now competing with Topaz inside the camera. Oh Gawd no!
You are talking about Pixel Shifting which is better than A.I. upscaling that is in the R5m2. It takes RAW and upscales it to JPG so we can send it to our publishers right off of the camera.
Well, there is the new battery. I hope everyone who preordered got a couple extra batteries. Some features of the r5m2 won’t work with the old batteries.
I'm wondering how other photographers manage their workflow. I am set up, on my R5, to send medium jpegs to the SD card and only RAW images to the express. I put the SD right into my computer, view the jpegs on the Microsoft sw, delete all but my 'keepers'. Then I plug the camera into the computer, open another window so the SD and Express windows are side by side and I delete the corresponding RAW files. I pull out the SD card, open LR and PS, and bring in those keeper RAW files for editing.
My workflow is different than yours. I only shoot raw to the CF card, the SD is a backup location in case I messed up and didn’t leave enough space on the CF card. When I get to my computer I remove the card from the camera and put it in my reader. I then copy it to a fast external drive. Once the copy is complete I return the card to the camera. I then use Canons software to review the images. The first pass I only reject. I then delete all rejected images. I then use a program to copy the images from the external drive to my NAS that also tags the images with keywords. I then do my edits from the external drive. When I am ready to clear images off the cards I use the camera to format the cards. I never delete individual images. It used to be if you deleted individual images on Canon cameras you were eventually going to corrupt the card. I hope Canon resolved this but I am not willing to try.
@@jeffolson4731 Excellent, thank you. On a typical shoot, like today, I might shoot a thousand shots, at the most, typically more like 700....not that I plan it that way but just the way it works out in practice in, say, 6 hours in the field. The weather is hot now and so I'm only shooting the first 3 hours after sunrise so I might only get 500 shots or less. I've noticed that neither of my cards gets anywhere close to even half full. I edit and format every day....so I can't image an express card getting full (but I am just a weekend warrior hobbyist). So for speed and convenience I just do initial review and deleting with the jpegs and then I'm usually down to a dozen or two keepers. I'm curious as to the advantage of the Canon software/NAS (what is that?)....and so you don't use adobe? Thank you.
@@stephendouglas4545 The Canon software, Digital Photo Professional 4 is designed to work with Canon images. If you have a multi shot image, I forget what Canon calls it, this software can extract the image you want. It also has the added advantage of being free. A NAS, is a Network Attached Storage. I use a Synology NAS. This allows me to access my images from any computer in the house, or even away from home. Since they aren't on the Cloud I feel more secure. I have my NAS programmed to backup my new photos to an external drive 3 times a week then once a month I swap that drive with a different one that I store at my dad's house. That way I have "off site" backups incase of fire or theft. Paranoid, maybe but I don't want to loose my images. iI As for Adobe, I have just never liked using their products. However, Adobes AI masking is second to none and I am thinking about taking some of my more difficult images to work and trying it there, I do use Adobe at work, just not at home.
@@stephendouglas4545 The Canon software, Digital Photo Professional 4 is designed to work with Canon images. If you have a multi shot image, I forget what Canon calls it, this software can extract the image you want. It also has the added advantage of being free. A NAS is a Network Attached Storage device. This allows me to access my images from any computer in the house, or even away from home. Since they aren't on the Cloud I feel more secure. I have my NAS programmed to backup my new photos to an external drive 3 times a week then once a month I swap that drive for a different one I keep at my dad's house. That way I have "off site" backups incase of fire or theft. Paranoid, probably but I don't want to loose my images. As for Adobe, I just have never liked their products. I use it at work but not at home. However, Adobes AI masking is second to none so I am thinking about taking some of my more challenging raw files to work and see what I can do with LR. Unlike a lot of people I don't mind the subscription model. I think it actually comes out cheaper than "buying" and doing "upgrades" every 12 to 18 months like other companies want you to do.
While I think I will use the ability to shot stills while shooting video there are limitations. You must have the new battery, video is Full HD, and stills will be jpeg only.
We shall see what limitations there are on this capability. It may be too much to ask to be able to shoot be shooting 4K60 video and then take still images as the action is unfolding.
I don't have any desire to own a Full Frame body (again) anyway. I had the R5, but I never had enough reach. Sold it, and got the R7. Great decision. However, I do look at the tech advances of these new FF cameras, expecting them to roll down to APS-C's in the future. I just want to know how Nikon, with their 3 yr old Z9, can have a 4ms readout speed, and Canon comes out with a brand new R5 Mk II with a 6+ms readout speed ? It's not looking very good for the R7 Mk II :( Granted, their are MANY other things that need improvement on the R7, so if they get most of those other things right, I guess it might still be worth it.
Thanks so much for watching and commenting. I agree that one of the biggest issues with the R7 is rolling shutter with the ES and that needs to be eliminated in the Mk.II. If that happens the R7 will be a much better all around body.
Sick of the cripple hammer and lack of lightweight primes. Nothing here to be very excited about. Definitely solidified my decision to leave Canon for other options.
The R3 files are great and low light performance is really good. The only fault I have with the R3, for what I do, is the 24mp is sometimes just a bit too little.
The R 5mk 2 does have cross type focusing points. The function only works on still photography. Doesn’t work with flickering lights. And a few other situations. Look on Glazers Camera sight. They have a list of R 5mk 2 camera functions explained. You will find it under focusing.
@@davepasternIt will be interesting to see if it is real but the PDF spec sheet on Canon USA does state “cross-type AF”. I have seen spec sheets be wrong before. It is odd that none of the reviewers mentioned it.
@@jeffolson4731 the PDF spec sheet from Canon Australia omits it...Canon USA's R1 page mentions cross type AF, but the R5II page doesn't. it would be very odd for such an important feature to not be mentioned, no? Unless the R5II doesn't have it of course. I suspect the mention in the PDF sheet is an error.
@@whistlingwingsphotography it is very odd that Canon's own information is well, lacking and/or incorrect. Canon USA's page says DPAF too, no mention of cross type AF like the R1.
can't afford either camera, but even if I could, I wouldn't. R1 - extremely disappointing. R5II gimped/cripplehammered as expected from Canon. Original R5 has minimal rolling shutter, which lessens the BSI stacked 45mp sensor of the R5II. No cross type AF on the R5II either - which would have been really helpful for birding photography. I don't care for video, so couldn't care less about this feature. I own a R3 and the eye control is vastly overrated imho, so couldn't care less that the R1 and R5II included this feature. The R5II EVF is a piss in the wind upgrade from Canon. 20fps to 30fps might interest some on the R5II. I am yet to see the refresh rate on either EVF - Canon (at least, Canon Australia) omits this on their product sheets.
I'll add that at this point of time, Canon doesn't mention compatibility with older mark 1 super tele primes. They work with the older range of cameras, including the R3, albeit not with full DPAF coverage or full FPS. I'm guessing Canon has said screw those customers using older mark 1 lenses. Hopefully I am wrong, but nothing would surprise me. This is the same company that made anticompetitive and monopolistic moves by blocking 3rd party lenses.
I think the Mk. I lenses will still work as they do now. I feel your disappointment regarding the R1, feels like an R3 update. The R5II may be a pleasant surprise once we shoot it. I find the rolling shutter in the R5 to be problematic more times than I like for what I do, so the much increase readout of the Mk. II may be a big improvement. The R5II is getting the R3s EVF and I love the R3s EVF, so that I look forward to.
@@whistlingwingsphotography yes, the R3's EVF is very very nice. It is a very minimal upgrade over the original R5 though. And in 4 years, Canon couldn't do better? For me, I'm not looking at either camera. My intentions are to save my money and eventually get a EF600f4 II. Glass is forever. I would not be surprised to see if mark 1 glass doesn't work with the AF and they are MF only.
I'm in the UK because of our pricing not in a rush to get the R5 II will wait to see HK import prices so likely months away. I'm still very tempted for the Nikon Z8 with a 600mm F/6.3 (it's a pf lens). At least I've got a reason to hang on to some of my prime Canon lenses but no interest in any new Canon lenses F9/11 don't interest me we have poor light here. I don't have any interest in the R1 it's too sports oriented.. Nikon's Z9/Sony A1 beats it for wildlife. I would have been more excited for a Pro R7 apsc stacked sensor version something similar to the OM-1 II (that has a quad pixel stacked AF system).
I hear you. It will be interesting to see what Canon does with the R7II. It has be have a stacked sensor with fast readout to eliminate the really bad rolling shutter in ES. Also, the buffer has be bigger. If those two things are brought to the R7II it will be a viable bird body IMO.
This question and reply from B&H.Does this camera have Cross-Type AF? Thanks.1 ANSWER Asked by Jun on Jul 17, 2024 Configuration:Body Only Add Answer I Have This Question Too 0 Other People Have This Question Yes, the Canon EOS R5 Mark II Mirrorless Camera does have Cross-Type AF. Answered by Daniel C Staff Jul 18, 2024 Was this helpful? 0
No, I'm not excited about the R5 mkII. I recognize that it's an improvement over the R5, but it doesn't exist in a vacuum. There are a lot of exciting things going on in Sony and Nikon land that push the boundaries of camera technology farther, for one. And there has been a lot of effort by Canon to improve their cameras for sports, but there was zero talk of any efforts regarding improving performance for wildlife shooting, leading to a dispiriting impression they just don't care much about the wildlife market segment. No announcements about amazing AI autofocus algorithms that improve the camera's ability to track birds among branches, for instance. No quad pixel AF to eliminate annoying focus jumping onto backgrounds. Even the low light focusing capabilities have not caught up to the competition, from what I've heard. The only thing that's excited me has been the addition of pre-capture. So, yes, the R1 is an improvement over the R3, and the R5 II an improvement over the R5. But neither achieved the level of improvement to outpace the competition or even to meet the level of expected of new cameras after such long development periods. Canon's engineering team seems to be having some very serious struggles.
spot on. Canon cares ONLY about sports photography it seems...
I seems a lot of effort has been on sports and also video. I am going to withhold my judgment until I shoot these cameras for birds. There may be more to each of them for birds/wildlife than first meets the eye.
@@whistlingwingsphotography possible, but it still doesn't excuse Canon's poor efforts imho.
Spot on x 2
Do you own a Canon Camera?
Watched and Pre-Ordered the R5 Mark II
Super. Thanks.
I’d just get the r3 rather than pay all that cash for a 24MP R1. But I’ll wait to see how this all pans out. I preordered the r5m2 because i need to be free of rolling shutter.
Agreed, rolling shutter elimination is necessary. R1 needed to be at least 32mp IMO, but I will give it a try at 24mp as I want to see the cross-type AF and see what that does to AF behavior.
Since my Macaws are usually perched indoors and outdoors, I will order the R3. Canon will probably never make a high resolution camera again in a full-size body. I love the large 1Dx Mark 2 body, but not willing to pay $2K more for an R1 when the R3 will more than meet my photo/video needs, plus the body is larger than the R5/R6 bodies. I laugh when seeing the Sony and Canon bodies with the aftermarket hand grips that store 2 small batteries, but in a world controlled by profit, we have been forced to find the best products that meet our needs most. Great video, thanks for sharing you wisdom and expertise!
I always chuckle when folks say they don’t see the frame flickering in the VF, yet they know it does that. I kinda wish I could not see it flicker.
When I am shooting I am concentrating on my subject and I really do not see the frame flicker. A fake shutter noise is a much better option for me. How about if you have the fake noise on there is no frame and if you have it off there is a frame. That should be doable.
My understanding of the upscaling is it only works for JPGs. It'll be interesting to see how that works compared to something like Gigapixel. Same with the neural noise reduction.
It seems this is probably the case as making a new upscaled jpg from a RAW file seems iffy.
@@rherteux Yes it has to be that way. A jpeg is already an AI processed file from a pretty crude raw. They've had about 2 years of field testing their neural network with real customers in the field using backend data off of the R3 and now they are willing to extend its resolution. A vector-capable coprocessor gives them the ability to do that.
I'm incredibly excited about the eye controlled AF for wildlife...I think that could be a game changer.
I have used it on the R3 and it works. It is not something I have found really game changing, but that is me and some people may really like it.
@@whistlingwingsphotography Curious, why did you not find that to be incredibly useful, and if it was better on the R5 II would that maybe change your mind? If you have a bird in busy surroundings or maybe multiple birds together and you just want to focus on one, wouldn't the eye control be even easier/faster than having to move to the button you devoted to spot focus and lock in that way?
@@whistlingwingsphotography this is version II and is said to be much improved.
Looking forward to feedback once these have been in the field for 3 to 4 months. Perhaps the R5 Mkll could be my x-mas gift to myself….or a Z-8 with 600 f/6.3 time will tell. Looking forward to your future impressions. Tks and keep up the great work.
I’m not upgrading my R5. It’s still good for me with the 100-500. But, if I were starting over that Z8 600 6.3 would be my go to! Nikon is embracing wildlife photography. I would love to be able to rent that for a few days. Really wondering if the grass is greener! Seems rentals are a thing of the past.
Hey, thanks much. Can't wait to work with these cameras. It will be fun and hopefully a pleasant surprise.
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Great article .,,
Ordered the R1 cause I feel the need for speed. Shooting airshows and indoor/outdoor sports. Got the 100-300 and now hoping for the announcement of the 200-500 during the Olympics!!!
Yes, let's hope the 200-500 is not far off. I love the flexibility a zoom brings and the 200-500 will replace my 600mm f/4 to gain that flex. I hope you are correct about the announcement coming as soon as the Olym.
Watched and pre-ordered the R5.
R5II or original R5?
I pre ordered the R5 II. I just don’t see the R1 for me as a wildlife photographer. I the the R5 will have some new benefits. Hopefully.
Speculation: The R5MkII can use an image to register a specific face so that it can detect that face and focus track it even in a crowd of people.
So maybe it could do the same to focus track a Bald Eagle's face. Since they all look similar, why cant it track them in that same way?
That may be possible and I can't wait to see if it works. We can only hope.
I will likely keep my two R3’s and wait to hear about battery life, AF, and high ISO performance before I replace one with one of these new cameras. My biggest disappointment was no mention of new glass. Would really like to see a fast, constant aperture L series zoom for wildlife.
Me too, with regards to the no lenses being announced. Maybe during the Olym.
Do you get live highlight alerts on the R5 mark ii for 4300$ ??
That would be nice, but I don't know that it does.
@15.47 It's not a big deal until all of your paid photos for a wedding are on your CF Express card that decided to get corrupted and files are now on your much slower backup SD card. I would have bought an R5ii if they had kept it the same price or added a second CF Express card slot for $4,200. Heat is not an issue for a second CF Express slot. I feel it has more to do with Canon's bottom line.
Most likely true IMO. It is all about compromise and segmentation of product line it seems.
Hi Ron
Ordered the R5 after watching announcement video and reviews. Based decision on whether the updates met my needs. Additions such as stacked sensor and pre capture were essential. Eye focus may be interesting but never tried. R1 too small a sensor, additional features over R5 not helpful to me and the cost. If these cameras can track ball movement theoretically they could track a Dunlin in a flock of sanderlings. May be useful if possible.
I too am wanting to try the new AF systems to see how this tracking might work for birds. I hope I am pleasantly surprised. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Yes l did hear it has a false shutter noise and it would as the R7 and R6ii have it. I am not sure why everyone was so upset about the original precapture all you had to do to put in lightroom was move the images out of the file in camera.
R3 has it too....
Great to hear this. Thanks for that information. Much appreciated.
Yes, I'm excited about the MkII and will upgrade my current R5 when it arrives.
Thanks so much for adding your comment. Always appreciated.
Hi Ron... Im still loving everything the R3 gives me... its an amazing camera with a battery that drives my 600m lens with no problems and consistently shoots 4000 shots on one charge... and the quality of the 24 pixels is amazing !!!! :-)
Agreed. The R3 is a great body. I am hoping the R5II will provide the AF of the R3 and then I will have everything I ever wanted in a body for my bird photography (45mp is the sweet spot for res for me.)
I'm not ordering either. I was pretty confident the rumors were accurate and I just traded my R5 and 100-500 in on a Fuji GFX 100 II and the GF500 5.6. I'll keep my R3 and RF600 F4 and TC's for fast moving subjects and reach but will use the Fuji for closer larger and slower animals.
I'm not a big megapixel person I'm happy with the 24mp R3 but I wanted a medium format for other things and when Fuji released the 500mm it made it possible to use it for some wildlife also. With the 1.4tc it gives the field of view of 550mm on full frame so not bad and 400mm without the TC and that's good for large mammals.
I was waiting to buy for when the R1 came out and it didn't sound like a big upgrade over the R3 so I added the Fuji. I was hoping the R5 II would have the R3 smart controller, I love that thing.
Interesting camera choices that seem well suited for your work. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I think they took the R1 in the right direction. I was afraid they would take it to 45mp instead of "completing" or taking the auto-focus to what it could be relative to the R3. You really can't have both. O
Interesting to see what the R1 AF is really like. I hope they make it available before the end of the year. An earlier release would be a nice surprise.
Hi Ron always a great video to watch I have the R5 Fancy a change pre ordered the R1 years ago 24 pixels was a lot things have come a long way with sensors and technology and auto focus the old 1 DX cameras great for wildlife
Hey, thanks for watching. Yep, people used to be happy with 24mp. I am sure the R1 will be an awesome performer.
I guess some are still waiting for the "real" R1 flagship camera. The current R1 seems to be more a R3 mk2.
Yep, a lot of people feel this way from what I am hearing. When you really look at the R1 specs one does get the impression that this is a refresh of the R3 with a better AF system. The cross type AF may be a real improvement for the R1 over the already great AF in the R3.
The new R1 may end the R3 Line. However wouldn’t it be nice if they made the R3 about 36MP? A man can dream right? 😅
Sure. Make the 3 line the high resolution body. That works for me.
Hi Ron hope you get to review both bodies in the field. I have the R3 currently, looking forward to you putting that R5ii through some testing. I am swaying towards the R5 ii with the 45mp..
Thanks for all your posts on You Tube your views and knowledge has helped me greatly in my wildlife photography.
Hey, thanks so much for the kind words and I am happy that my videos have been helpful. Should have the R5II by Aug. 20th.
Great video! I ordered the R5 II at 3 am pst! One thing you didn’t mention was how fast does the camera turn on when you put your eye to the viewfinder. I actually asked Canon on one of their videos and they said 0.4 seconds. Hopefully that’s faster than the original R5!
Good point. The R3 is basically instantaneous in this respect, the R5II needs to be the same and given the R5II is getting the EVF of the R3 I am expecting that instant response. We shall see.
Yeah, that is soooooo annoying!
Well done, a lot of questions still to be answered.
And I can't wait to answer them. Thanks so much for watching and commenting.
Cooling grip does not have buttons for vertical shooting. That is not optimal.
I'll put it impolitely- that's a FUCKUP.
There are three options for a grip and the one you mention is intended for video. the other ones do have buttons and are intended for stills.
It is meant for video use and most video use is not in vertical orientation so this does not seem like a problem. Well, unless all you shoot is video for Instagram in vertical. Then it is a problem I guess.
@@whistlingwingsphotography that's a very good point that I hadn't thought about.
@@robertotarga yes, Ron pointed that out to me too. Silly old Dave I am.
In low frame rate you can program the exact number of frames per second which carries over into pre capture also 😊
That is awesome. That will be so nice.
Hi Ron. Thanks for your rundown of some of the new features of the mk ii. Like you, I own an RF 600mm f4 and I'm wondering if the new R5 mk ii with it's redesigned batteries will be able to power the dual AF motors the way the R3 does. And also, when you are using the RF 600mm do you notice an improvement in AF speed with the R3 over the R5?
I do see a difference between the R3 and R5. Some is do to speed and others the more advanced AF. But there is a very noticeable difference.
Hi Ron ...love your very informative videos... not sure about upgrading my R5 just yet... but my question is about Topaz (I have the DeNoise and Sharpen standalone versions)... is the newer Photo AI app worth upgrading to given the several improvements in the R5 Mk II
I use all three Topaz products. I find they all provide a bit different performance depending on the image. I find Photo AI does the best at removing heavier noise, but it can produce some weird sharpening artifacts on some images. So,, I like DeNoise for most of my images. For the R5II, I can't say at this time. I will need to run a lot of R5II image through all three products to see what works the best most of the time.
Thanks for a stimulating video Ron. I eagerly await your (and others) review of the R5-II. The upscaling is a new thing. Might be very useful when you have that perfect "portrait" shot. Not so much with BIF. The precapture looks interesting. 30 FPS. Less noise, And reduced rolling shutter. Lots to look forward to.
I am really looking forward to hopefully no discernable rolling shutter in ES. I just with the R5II would have gotten the cross-type AF the R1 has. Then I would be really looking forward to what I think would be a top notch bird body.
The wievfinder in R 1 will not ever get fogged up according to Canon.
I said I wouldn’t order the R5 ii, too expensive…well I preordered one😂
Ha! Good for you! We will have fun seeing how this camera does in the field.
@@whistlingwingsphotography looking forward to it!
R1 big diss. Called Canon and asked if it has in body gps. They didn’t know.???
LOL!!! Did you speak to consumer support or CPS? Consumer is SHIT.
For the money, the R5ii specs do not justify moving from the R5. R5II over 5000 euros. Canon has just left the enthusiast bird photography with the R7
To me the fact that the Mk. II will have a BSI stacked sensor with a read out speed that hopefully will eliminate rolling shutter effect is likely enough to make the upgrade worth it for me given what I shoot most often. I can see some people not needing that improvement not going for the Mk. II. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Much appreciated.
@whistlingwingsphotography I think the R5 will come down in price alot now so that becomes a good option for me now. It's a balance between using 5000 on a holiday to Costa Rica and using the R7 with its limitations over a new R5ii. It will be interesting to see what the R5ii is like compared to the Z8
I use the R8 + 600mm F11 for Joyful Bird Action Photography...R7 stinks...
i spoke with a guy at the shop today that got to shoot it . he said the focus is unreal .. best he has ever seen He told me the r1 was a big dissapointment and that the nfl shooters told him they would be getting the r5 mark 2 over the r1
Interesting! Thanks for sharing that information.
@@whistlingwingsphotography he said the eye focus gave him a head ache so he turned it off.. thats the focus that works with ur eye he also said it seemed a little heavier .. after talking with him I feel better about r5 mark 2 even though i was hoping for 60 mp
Does anyone know if the pre-capture files are in raw?
Good question. Anyone know the answer?
@@whistlingwingsphotography From what I'm reading on-line, pre-capture will be in raw, unlike the Nikon version which is only in jpeg.
photos and videos simultaneous will be "full HDvideo" and "jpeg photos" as I got it from Canon.
Hmm, that is disappointing for me. Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.
I am wondering if the "register people priority" will work for birds? For example, If I register the face of a Blue Heron, and I go to the wildlife refuge, will it prioritize a blue heron in the midst of a bunch of Egrets? - and then, if so, would this work with even smaller birds, like a Cardinal vs a bunch of Sparrows?
Also interested to find out if this would be possible!! Trust that it will!
That is a great question and something I cannot wait to try. It may be that a lot of the features of these new cameras, although not intended for birds and wildlife, might still turn out to be useful. We will have fun or frustration in trying this stuff once we get the camera.
We can only hope. Or maybe if not right out of the box after a firmware update. Canon has been doing a lot more updates in recent years.
Can’t wait for your field tests once you get hold of this camera because the autofocus will be the decider for me to upgrade or not!
If the camera is not moving the sensor around to create a higher resolution image, then it is just up-resing just like software, which to me means it is a fake feature that should not be in the camera. I sure hope I am wrong about this because if I’m not it means Canon is out of ideas and is now competing with Topaz inside the camera. Oh Gawd no!
I will reserve comment until I try it, but I am not holding out much hope for this being anything really valuable for me.
You are talking about Pixel Shifting which is better than A.I. upscaling that is in the R5m2. It takes RAW and upscales it to JPG so we can send it to our publishers right off of the camera.
Well, there is the new battery. I hope everyone who preordered got a couple extra batteries. Some features of the r5m2 won’t work with the old batteries.
Thanks for the info on the batteries.
I'm wondering how other photographers manage their workflow. I am set up, on my R5, to send medium jpegs to the SD card and only RAW images to the express. I put the SD right into my computer, view the jpegs on the Microsoft sw, delete all but my 'keepers'. Then I plug the camera into the computer, open another window so the SD and Express windows are side by side and I delete the corresponding RAW files. I pull out the SD card, open LR and PS, and bring in those keeper RAW files for editing.
My workflow is different than yours. I only shoot raw to the CF card, the SD is a backup location in case I messed up and didn’t leave enough space on the CF card. When I get to my computer I remove the card from the camera and put it in my reader. I then copy it to a fast external drive. Once the copy is complete I return the card to the camera. I then use Canons software to review the images. The first pass I only reject. I then delete all rejected images. I then use a program to copy the images from the external drive to my NAS that also tags the images with keywords. I then do my edits from the external drive.
When I am ready to clear images off the cards I use the camera to format the cards. I never delete individual images. It used to be if you deleted individual images on Canon cameras you were eventually going to corrupt the card. I hope Canon resolved this but I am not willing to try.
@@jeffolson4731 Excellent, thank you. On a typical shoot, like today, I might shoot a thousand shots, at the most, typically more like 700....not that I plan it that way but just the way it works out in practice in, say, 6 hours in the field. The weather is hot now and so I'm only shooting the first 3 hours after sunrise so I might only get 500 shots or less. I've noticed that neither of my cards gets anywhere close to even half full. I edit and format every day....so I can't image an express card getting full (but I am just a weekend warrior hobbyist). So for speed and convenience I just do initial review and deleting with the jpegs and then I'm usually down to a dozen or two keepers.
I'm curious as to the advantage of the Canon software/NAS (what is that?)....and so you don't use adobe? Thank you.
@@stephendouglas4545 The Canon software, Digital Photo Professional 4 is designed to work with Canon images. If you have a multi shot image, I forget what Canon calls it, this software can extract the image you want. It also has the added advantage of being free.
A NAS, is a Network Attached Storage. I use a Synology NAS. This allows me to access my images from any computer in the house, or even away from home. Since they aren't on the Cloud I feel more secure. I have my NAS programmed to backup my new photos to an external drive 3 times a week then once a month I swap that drive with a different one that I store at my dad's house. That way I have "off site" backups incase of fire or theft. Paranoid, maybe but I don't want to loose my images. iI
As for Adobe, I have just never liked using their products. However, Adobes AI masking is second to none and I am thinking about taking some of my more difficult images to work and trying it there, I do use Adobe at work, just not at home.
@@stephendouglas4545 The Canon software, Digital Photo Professional 4 is designed to work with Canon images. If you have a multi shot image, I forget what Canon calls it, this software can extract the image you want. It also has the added advantage of being free.
A NAS is a Network Attached Storage device. This allows me to access my images from any computer in the house, or even away from home. Since they aren't on the Cloud I feel more secure. I have my NAS programmed to backup my new photos to an external drive 3 times a week then once a month I swap that drive for a different one I keep at my dad's house. That way I have "off site" backups incase of fire or theft. Paranoid, probably but I don't want to loose my images.
As for Adobe, I just have never liked their products. I use it at work but not at home. However, Adobes AI masking is second to none so I am thinking about taking some of my more challenging raw files to work and see what I can do with LR. Unlike a lot of people I don't mind the subscription model. I think it actually comes out cheaper than "buying" and doing "upgrades" every 12 to 18 months like other companies want you to do.
@@jeffolson4731 Great stuff, good to know. Thank you, Jeff.
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While I think I will use the ability to shot stills while shooting video there are limitations. You must have the new battery, video is Full HD, and stills will be jpeg only.
We shall see what limitations there are on this capability. It may be too much to ask to be able to shoot be shooting 4K60 video and then take still images as the action is unfolding.
The pre-capture intrigues me. There are 3 grips for the R5II, but will it take the same grip as the original R5?
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The old R5 grip will not work on the R5II as previously stated.
@@whistlingwingsphotography Of course not. There's another 350 dollars. 😒
I don't have any desire to own a Full Frame body (again) anyway. I had the R5, but I never had enough reach. Sold it, and got the R7. Great decision. However, I do look at the tech advances of these new FF cameras, expecting them to roll down to APS-C's in the future. I just want to know how Nikon, with their 3 yr old Z9, can have a 4ms readout speed, and Canon comes out with a brand new R5 Mk II with a 6+ms readout speed ? It's not looking very good for the R7 Mk II :( Granted, their are MANY other things that need improvement on the R7, so if they get most of those other things right, I guess it might still be worth it.
Thanks so much for watching and commenting. I agree that one of the biggest issues with the R7 is rolling shutter with the ES and that needs to be eliminated in the Mk.II. If that happens the R7 will be a much better all around body.
60% reduction. Reduced to 40% of R5m1. :). Thanks for the video.
As long as I don't see it in my images I will be a happy camper.
Sick of the cripple hammer and lack of lightweight primes. Nothing here to be very excited about. Definitely solidified my decision to leave Canon for other options.
You are not the only one. Hope you find greener pastures.
@@whistlingwingsphotography thanks. I'll still be enjoying the channel
No sound when viewing on my phone
Seems fine now. Guess youtube was still processing
How do you like the R3 files Ron?
The R3 files are great and low light performance is really good. The only fault I have with the R3, for what I do, is the 24mp is sometimes just a bit too little.
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The R 5mk 2 does have cross type focusing points. The function only works on still photography. Doesn’t work with flickering lights. And a few other situations. Look on Glazers Camera sight. They have a list of R 5mk 2 camera functions explained. You will find it under focusing.
Canon Australia's product sheet omits this completely as a feature. Are you sure it does? Canon USA doesn't mention it in the specs either.
@@davepasternIt will be interesting to see if it is real but the PDF spec sheet on Canon USA does state “cross-type AF”. I have seen spec sheets be wrong before. It is odd that none of the reviewers mentioned it.
@@jeffolson4731 the PDF spec sheet from Canon Australia omits it...Canon USA's R1 page mentions cross type AF, but the R5II page doesn't. it would be very odd for such an important feature to not be mentioned, no? Unless the R5II doesn't have it of course. I suspect the mention in the PDF sheet is an error.
Wow! If it does that is big news. It is strange that nobody is mentioning it if it is true.
@@whistlingwingsphotography it is very odd that Canon's own information is well, lacking and/or incorrect. Canon USA's page says DPAF too, no mention of cross type AF like the R1.
can't afford either camera, but even if I could, I wouldn't.
R1 - extremely disappointing.
R5II gimped/cripplehammered as expected from Canon.
Original R5 has minimal rolling shutter, which lessens the BSI stacked 45mp sensor of the R5II. No cross type AF on the R5II either - which would have been really helpful for birding photography.
I don't care for video, so couldn't care less about this feature.
I own a R3 and the eye control is vastly overrated imho, so couldn't care less that the R1 and R5II included this feature.
The R5II EVF is a piss in the wind upgrade from Canon.
20fps to 30fps might interest some on the R5II.
I am yet to see the refresh rate on either EVF - Canon (at least, Canon Australia) omits this on their product sheets.
I'll add that at this point of time, Canon doesn't mention compatibility with older mark 1 super tele primes. They work with the older range of cameras, including the R3, albeit not with full DPAF coverage or full FPS. I'm guessing Canon has said screw those customers using older mark 1 lenses. Hopefully I am wrong, but nothing would surprise me. This is the same company that made anticompetitive and monopolistic moves by blocking 3rd party lenses.
I think the Mk. I lenses will still work as they do now. I feel your disappointment regarding the R1, feels like an R3 update. The R5II may be a pleasant surprise once we shoot it. I find the rolling shutter in the R5 to be problematic more times than I like for what I do, so the much increase readout of the Mk. II may be a big improvement. The R5II is getting the R3s EVF and I love the R3s EVF, so that I look forward to.
@@whistlingwingsphotography yes, the R3's EVF is very very nice. It is a very minimal upgrade over the original R5 though. And in 4 years, Canon couldn't do better? For me, I'm not looking at either camera. My intentions are to save my money and eventually get a EF600f4 II. Glass is forever.
I would not be surprised to see if mark 1 glass doesn't work with the AF and they are MF only.
I'm in the UK because of our pricing not in a rush to get the R5 II will wait to see HK import prices so likely months away. I'm still very tempted for the Nikon Z8 with a 600mm F/6.3 (it's a pf lens). At least I've got a reason to hang on to some of my prime Canon lenses but no interest in any new Canon lenses F9/11 don't interest me we have poor light here. I don't have any interest in the R1 it's too sports oriented.. Nikon's Z9/Sony A1 beats it for wildlife. I would have been more excited for a Pro R7 apsc stacked sensor version something similar to the OM-1 II (that has a quad pixel stacked AF system).
I hear you. It will be interesting to see what Canon does with the R7II. It has be have a stacked sensor with fast readout to eliminate the really bad rolling shutter in ES. Also, the buffer has be bigger. If those two things are brought to the R7II it will be a viable bird body IMO.
Are you kidding? Not only would have to give give my firstborn child but I would have to give the other three too just to get the one camera
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Wow, okay! I thought it stated it had DPAF with intell.