Stance Update - Avoid THIS Mistake
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- In this video I will tell you about one issue that I have seen so many times and nobody seems to know about it. Female bodies need different adjustments.
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This is the first time, I hear someone acknowledging the issue and providing directions.
It explains 100% of my problems with my stroke after transitioning and -unfortunately- confirms that I have to relearn my stroke...
Thank you for addressing the silent issue for the underrepresented. 👏🏻
A HUGE THANK YOU!!! As a Captain and teacher I have come across this many, many times and whenever I have female shooters this is the first thing I look at. I scanned the entire internet looking for anything that addressed this in stance and found nothing. I've known other female players that use their breast as a guide as well but the majority don't like doing that and I had one that was very well endowed that we had to change a couple things on just exactly as you pointed out! Maybe since you've now brought this more into the mainstream other females will be able to learn from it. Again, HUGE thank you for this!!
YOUR NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT THEIR BOOBS, YOUR SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT THEIR GAME!!!!! 😁😁😁😁😁🙃🙂🙃🙂🤗🤗👍👍😁😇😇.
As a father of a teenage daughter trying to teach... yes this a huge issue. It needs to be discussed. Thank you, Jasmine
I have this SAME issue and all my male pool players would try to "help" me and would get frustrated because I couldn't shoot like a man. I had to watch other female players and ask other female players how they shoot to adjust for boobs. It made such a difference and now I'm moving up in rank and way less frustrated at the table! Great video.
Glad you figured it out thru other people and not so frustrated anymore. As for me I fixed mine not by asking others but by just being conscious of my stroke mechanics and body, what my body did during stroke to realize if my arm was a true straight pendulum and not hindered in anyway. Then I adjusted accordingly, using the stroke mechanic founds in the science of pocket billiards as a base. Now I'm shooting in the top 5 of my pool hall, the best banker in the city for sure.
I've been watching the female player stroke at my local hall and noticed they either have pivoted to have the arm out more or shoot close to the arm pit.
Subscribed after this video. Being a bit overweight male, I admit having the same issue. Thank you for pointing this out. I think Barry Stark (snooker trainer) also brought this problem to an attention in one of his video.
Heavy set guy and have noticed this to the point where I was considering buying a longer cue and/or cue with an extension because I felt like I couldn’t follow through on certain shots. Will try some position adjustments before making any purchases
My teammates beer belly committed a foul one time. He was making a long shot leaning over the table and his beer belly bumped the eight ball on the shortrail and he committed a foul
There was a time where I seriously spent months trying to navigate my body to find the right stance. This is serious stuff!! Thanks for talking about this Jasmin
THANK YOU!!!! I was JUST explaining to my husband about this! Being a beginner I'm so so happy you've addressed this topic. Love your channel!!!
You make your training vids SO real. Thanks for understanding so many real problems that players have and the humor you use to overcome them. I love your vids!!
I adjusted my stance just like this last year to keep my chest out out of the way. This advice is spot on. Turn to the side and really lean into the weight bearing side.
Very helpful, thank you! You take a lot into consideration and explain it well. I appreciated seeing different possible adjustments with the stance that could help. Great video!
Well done Jasmin, you are an excellent teacher.
Thank you for making such a high-quality video, Jasmin!
OMG...this has always been a problem for me...Sooo glad you addressed this! Love your videos!❤
So glad Jasmin is in the sport. Keep up the good work!
Thank God somebody is addressing this issue! This "disadvantage" has interfered with my stroke for years. Ive learned to contort my body to compensate but not always successfull. I was actually thinking of binding my chest for important games. Thank you for the valuable advice.
OMG!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! I'm a beginner, when I shoot the ball, I was so frustrated becasue my body position was always weird since I have this problem that you pointed out accurately, and finally I got the solution from this vedio! Thank you so much!😚
Thank you for this video. I have been trying to work with my adult daughter a little and you brought up issues I had not even considered. Thanks to this video I will work with her stance with a whole new set of eyes and understanding - even though she, like the student you were talking about, isn't even aware of it.
YES!!! Such a real issue that no one talks about. I have observe this in players and let them know to be aware of it. Many times they don't notice it themselves.
Great advice and thanks for the honesty.
I used to captain an 8 Ball league team, and we had a large bodied female player. I advised her to switch to more of a snooker stance, to free up her stroke.
THANK YOU! Stance is one of the things I struggle the most with, and it's impossible to find any tips that work for women or shorter people. My 6 foot tall male leaguemates trying to tell me how to stand or to take a shot I'd have to stretch on my tiptoes the length of the table to hit isn't helpful at all
I always wondered why your stance looked different to me while watching you play… makes perfect sense now!
Dear Jasmin,
You are simply the best trainer ever!!
Thank you so much, I got this problem, and I started doing what you teach here.
So awesome how much you love the game. And helping anyone no matter what the subject is, all for the love of this brilliant game. ❤ thank you!!
Thanks Jasmin. I can use these pointers when teaching my friends.
What a great video. You show such sensitivity to the issue with perfect and appropriate articulation. As a league captain I will look at this more closely an make a referral to this video and your other wonderful tips. Wishing you great continued success in your pro career.
Truly amazing, the issues you talk about are absolutely in-depth and great for all players around the world. Sending deep thanks to you from Vietnam
Yes, thank you for talking about this.
Absolut sympathisch und authentisch. Anhand der TV Matches hätte ich nie gedacht, wie humorvoll und entspannt Jasmin ist. Das geschilderte Fachwissen ist natürlich auch top, vor allem wie es vermittelt wird.
Thanks so much for addressing this! I am new to playing this is so helpful
Thank you so much for this! I learned the concept when I got golf lessons and my instructor came up with a new strategy for my swing because I'm a woman. Awesome.
VERY well explained. Delicate subject, handled well
Your terrific personality and great sense of humor have made me a fan....Cheers mate...."TWO THUMBS UP".
thats actually so true, I've never thought about it but it's a really interesting topic
I enjoy watching you play every chance I get . Your the greatest
You are so awesome to watch. I love that you stay human.
My coach taught me this exact issue! I'm getting better with it.
Yes!! So glad you are giving tips for women specifically. 😊😊😊
I would add that tying long hair back is helpful when shooting too.
If you're competitive like world title competitive, perhaps having a low cut/bald or some hair wrap is optimal. Less to worry about and that style looks great on females.
Also wearing appropriate clothing. All the females I see at our bar always have their thongs and backsides showing when they shoot. It gets worse at night and summer.
I might not have made a video about it and I’m a male but I did realize that back in 2015 as a captain and training through my wife and her sister and her mother the same problem you’re talking we learned about and how to improve it. I’m glad you made a video on it.😊
I do the same with my students, whether it be a larger man or female students. Really all students, because everyone is different in height, size, length of arms, flexibility, etc. It's funny, like you I've noticed it's rarely if ever talked about, and I have over 100 books on pool, not there. Much like getting your head behind the shot line and keeping it there on the way down, which so many students do incorrectly. Yet almost all pro do this and it's so critical but rarely talked about.
Thanks for the informative video, I recommend your channel to everyone, I think you do a great job at presenting information and of course demonstrating it as well. Look forward to more videos!
Another great video! Keep up the amazing work. You rock!
You are a genius, me being a dude. This never occurred to me I had trouble with my stance and stroke because I took lessons from a Filipino who taught me how to spin the rock my back was killing me the problem was he was 5'6" I'm 6'3" I paid a world class hustler that was my height to correct my stance what a difference I watched a few young ladies start pool lessons at age twelve they are now about a foot taller and changed the stroke along the way your video shows knowing how to setup is more important than other pool skills best of health to you
This is so important!
Well done, Jasmine. I remember watching Karen Corr play and wondering just how women managed to navigate this anatomical impediment to proper cueing. It's a situation which needs to be discussed and, frankly, a lot of people are worried about 'offending' people in the political climate we now have. Girls need adjustment coaching to get around this issue and it is very likely some talented amateurs have quit the game, instead of going pro, because they couldn't find a way to aim properly after puberty and didn't get help. This is an issue that needs to be openly and pragmatically addressed and it starts with someone daring to raise the subject, like you did.
I heard Kristina Tkach was teaching how to deal with this.
Good to know because I have some female students!
Thanks Jasmine you saved me from failure!
Love your stuff Jasmin. Would love to see a video on shot limits as to when you can hold cue ball or you just can’t based on distance and thickness of hit
I agree. First time anyone has ever mentioned anything like what you just offered as far as the stance goes for a woman, and I thank you for that. I've been having issues with my stance and stroke, also been missing easy shots too. Might be the reason I've been missing my shots. Thank you again.
thank you so much jasmin ouschan
Thank you so much for this video! ❤🎉
I actually took a lesson from Kelly Fisher for this very reason !! She was very very helpful in showing me techniques around this. 👏👏👏 To you for addressing this .
Thank you! 🩵
I teached my wife a week ago, and she has this issue. Thanks jasmine😊
LOL You are such hoot to listen too, very funny and the advice is GOLDEN
Great video. You have a lot of good videos. You are funny and very easy on the eyes.
Thank you!! I recently had someone (a male) have me change my break point from what I was used to. My breaks ARE better, but I have hit myself in the chest numerous times since, which I had never done before. I thought it was just me being misaligned, but this makes so much sense of that! I know what to work on now.
Double Ds here... thank you. i have had people actually tell me this was all in my head. 💯
THANK YOU! I just noticed that with my team captain a while back, but I wasn't sure how to address it. I just sent her the video.
As a basketball coach (and former player), the similarities between the shooting forms is astounding... visualization, creating a solid base, keeping the elbow in close as you move through the stroke, followthrough... and that's just the start. Anyway, I have also had to make corrections to kids' form on the fly as they grow, and have seen similar things. This was another great video, Jasmin, so thank you for sharing your passion and experience with us, and please take care 😊
Finally somebody who understand me and can help other women players with the same problem. Thank you so much for this video and your help.
OMG - as someone who is very chesty I think this might actually explain some inconsistency in my game! Can't wait to get out and test some of what I've been doing and see what changes I can or should make. This is amazing!
Thanks for the info I’ve been working with my daughter
Thank you for this.
Very important to address this, thank you. Two things to think about: a) for some female (and male) players the cue deviates to the side only after the grip hand is impacting the chest in the finish position. So cueing was straight when the cue ball was struck and it is more an aesthetical issue. Sometimes you can see this a little bit even with Allison Fisher. Relaxing the grip hand after delivery can help soften the impact and lessen deviation. And b): Stance and foot position is a complicated trade off and there are coaches with very different views. An important aspect is where a player hits her chest. Hitting the upper part is preferred because there is more clearance and less soft tissue that hinders follow-through. To avoid hitting the lower part with the grip hand on impact it can be better to stand more squarely to the shot than sideways (also can help with balance). I know a female player around Fargo 600 who got this advice from Jeremy Jones and shoots better with a more square snooker stance. It also helped with better eye alignment to the shot and better balance. Best practice examples: Allison Fisher, Kelly Fisher. Experimenting with different foot positions is key here and seeing a coach is definitely worth it. Check out: czcams.com/video/aFVO6KSD-54/video.html
Brilliant. Thanks
Good stuff and fun to listen to.😀
I have preached this for 15yrs. I realized when I lost a lot of weight and noticed something was different. It's the one thing I am always aware of when I start to give lessons to new players.
FINALLY! Love this video. Didn’t even have to watch it to know what this is about
After 8 days of training my then 14yr old daughter over a year ago now. I actually noticed this and proceeded to change her stance to mimic yours and I told her to find the most comfortable stance until she doesn’t hit her breasts.. and she ended up having such a similar stance to yours.
It made a world of difference on her 9th and 10th day of training. Now she beats players who have been playing longer than she has. She is quite the natural and I hope she gets more interested in this game as she grows.
Love your videos ❤ keep up the good work! 🙏👍
She is very organic. I love her videos.
Great Video and an Importanz issue, THX👍
If you’re standing more sideways (for the reason you mentioned) Allison Fisher might come and push you sideways showing that you are unstable. But I agree, you have to have room for the full stroke.
Great video thanks. As a coach this helps me. One little English thing, when your were wrapping up your said make sure you 'over look' the stance every once in awhile. I think you meant look over? Over look is the opposite of look over pretty much lol
Again really love the videos! Thank you
Coach Mark Wilson teaches this and even in a class full of men, he brings it up and makes it a point to say exactly what you’ve said. (A fantastic example is the Great Karen Corr) 👌
Great video on topic people should but don't want to talk about. Thanks!
Thank you Jasmin. Details matter! This happens with women and men. I personally had this issue. After quite a while, t began to realize the reason misses occurred at times was because the cue toughed the chest during the stroke. Ronnie O'Sullivan's stance (and yours) but for me Ronnie's open stance finally gave me the visual aid needed to make a permanent change.
Hi Jasmin your all videos are good but specially this one is outstanding I watched this yesterday evening and after that have a game it's really help me and improve potting and you know my opponent was surprised 😅😅thanks.
I was doing this! Hired a coach a month ago and the first thing she did was fix my stance so I wasn't going around and instead able to go straight through. It was so unknown to me that I was doing this. And I especially loved the part at the end because I am a Snooker player trying to switch over to pool and I want to stand facing straight, but I can see now that it's a lost cause.
P.S. It's "look over" not "overlook" important since overlook basically means to ignore).
I really enjoy your channel. Wish you would do more video. Maybe some pattern play options.
Awesome video for the ladies out there... 👍
I haven't heard anyone talk about this either. This is really useful. I would recommend you to change the video title, so that someone looking for this can actually find it.
Thanks!
Thank idol jasmin for the tip..
Thaaaaank you! couldn’t find a solution online and my coach is male and I don’t feel comfortable talking with him about it.
I did ref a game years ago where a female player fouled by moving a ball with her chest when she leaned across the table. Awkward one to call, but a foul is a foul.
I have to double check my positioning constantly when I stretch over the balls
Breast size, men with big bodies, individual physiology matters in every sporting endeavor.
For women out there, look no further than Allison Fischer. Allison who many believe to be the greatest female pool player of all time has one of the most perfect stances I have ever seen and she is not small chested.
But there is more. Even eye dominance matters. Right handed left eye dominant players can stand more sideways to the shot with less neck strain.
If looking at men, go watch some videos of Steve Mizerak. Steve who was clinically obese for many years which ultimately caused his premature death sadly, he was right eye dominant and left handed and he unusually cupped his left wrist to create more room between his cue and body due to his rotund waistline. What is remarkable if you watch old video of Steve's stroke is how long his follow thru was. Steve created enough separation between his body and the cue that his follow through was completely unimpeded and in part aside from his size why he had such a powerful stroke.
So, no one size fits all and there are many workaround solutions to individual physiology.
A related note about women's breast size and golf. Large chested women struggle a bit more playing golf. Why? Because they can't separate their arm swing from their body turn as easily. This generally results in a flatter swing plane which relies more on timing to hit the ball straight. But, large chested women like Paige Spiranac famous for her figure can still play to a scratch handicap by making adjustments.
Years ago when I was a little kid, I know you are an excellent athlete Jasmin....I grew up swimming competitively and the boys knew the girls on the swim team. There was an elite swimmer girl who when very young was nationally ranked. Then, as she went through puberty, she grew large breasts and she was no longer at the same level. Still a good swimmer but her development reduced her speed in the water.
Shared to my female student, thanks J 👍🏻
Thank you thank you thank you.
Your an awesome coach! Thanks for everything you do. :)
Yeah we aren't allowed to talk about men and women being different especially if it implies any kind of physical disadvantage... Thank you for addressing this issue. Just reading the comments shows how much it needed to be addressed. And now I can just have someone watch this video to avoid awkwardness, or worse, accusations.
What I'm assisting a novice player is almost always about their stance and their stability. I see too many standing with their feet close together instead of a good shoulder width stance . I will leave my knee against the table and some instances to further stabilize my shot especially if I have a long bridge stroke or shooting over another object ball. Great tutorial.
Great video Jasmin! Male or female you present many good tips on stance and footwork we should work on. I'm trying to keep the cue close and elbow tight...or it'll flop like a chicken!
Not a problem for me, but glad you’re addressing it
Ich denke, es ist ein gutes Video für ein sehr spezielles Problem. Ich finde es sehr gut und berechtigt. Wie wäre es, das Problem für Brillenträgern mal zu machen? Mir fällt gerade auf, dass kein einziger Profi im Pool mir einfällt, der mit Brille spielt. Leider ist es auf der Hobby Ebene ganz anders, da spielen viele mit Brille, und der Stand muss dadurch ein anderer sein.
Sorry, but my english is not so good, that i could say it in English.
Absolut richtig 👍🏻 Man müsste auch Eigenheiten/Ausnahmen etc. bedenken wenn man Stand/Haltung/Technik lehrt. Zumindest mögliche Probleme erwähnen. Leider machen viele erst etwas wenn das Problem bereits da ist. Da ich selber keine Brille trage, tu ich mir natürlich schwer auf das einzugehen. Vielleicht kann ich mal Informationen einholen und dann darüber ein Video machen!
@@jasminouschanbilliards Danke für die Antwort. Das wäre natürlich super. Ich habe, als Mann auch meine Probleme die Eigenschaften einer Frau zu beachten, da kann ich kaum einen Tipp geben. Dafür habe ich leider einen Bauch und Rückenprobleme, sowas gleicht dann alles wieder an ;-) Deshalb halte ich von festen Angaben wie man stehen muss/soll recht wenig. In den Achtzigerjahren wurde sogar mit Schablonen gearbeitet, die auf dem Boden lagen, wie Du Deine Beine / Füße stellen solltest, egal ob Du 1,65m oder 2m groß warst, das klappte natürlich vorn und hinten nicht.
Da gefällt mir das Moderne Training, wie Du und Dein Bruder das verbreiten, als auch die vielen anderen Trainer die gut sind, heutzutage viel besser. Das Schlimme ist, wenn Du dir was Jahrelang falsch eingearbeitet hast, dann brauchst Du doppelt so viel Energie, das wieder ins Richtige umzubiegen. Deshalb mein Rat: von Anfang an einen richtigen Trainer sich suchen.
Most opticians try to sell you a second pair of glasses on special offer when buying perscription galsses. I take advantage of this and ask for the "special offer pair" to be suitable for playing snooker. That means absolutely no varyfocal (Gleitsicht) and for a further focal point than is usual for reading glasses, so that the other end of the table is not blurred. I also choose frames so that the lenses are large and come close to the forehead.
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The rim of glasses can be a problem. Wearers of glasses often stand more upright than people without glasses. I wear contact lenses but with a special billiard glases, cause contact lenses don't be enough for me. You have to learn to be right with your issues.
True Esteban Robles from the Predator Championships corrected my stance and gave me a couple pointers a few weeks ago
Thank you for this! I'm currently having stroke issues. I used to shoot almost everyday for 34 years. (I have some local trophies.) In 2010, I took a pool "hiatus" and resumed last year. My wife of 38 years is a great cook, so I gained about 20 pounds. When I resumed, I noticed that my cue ball does not always hit "the mark", sometimes off by over a quarter of an inch. I didn't grow breasts but I think that my body widened a bit and is causing this very problem.
Thank you for making me think about this!
Yes, this is a major issues for many females. Good to see someone talking about it. Hopefully the instructors around the world will pay more attention to this. But this issue is not just about females - although it mostly is. Men can have this issue, and not just overweight men.
I had this issue and I am in pretty damn good shape. My stance allowed for the my hand and cue to hit the LOWER part of the right side of my chest on my stroke. It would slightly throw the cue off line to the left, which caused me a lot of problems. Once I had my wife take a video of me from behind I realized what was happening. Even though I could feel the cue hitting my chest, I did not realize how much it was affecting my stroke. I changed my stance slightly and solved the issue very quickly.
Hopefully this video is going to help a lot of female players, but also male players.
Mark Wilson addresses this in his training clinics
Nice info 😊
kinda cool. Never really thought about this.
This is awesome.