LAST DIVE TO TITANIC? THE LOG OF THE TITAN Authentic or Fake?
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- Wreckwatch Magazine (www.wreckwatchmag.com) and Wreckwatch TV (CZcams Channel) have been made aware of the purported existence and content of a text log between OceanGate’s Titan submersible and the Polar Prince support ship transmitted between 7:52am and 9:57am on Sunday June 18.
This document takes the form of a text trail providing a status report between sub and ship. The log is in the public domain in an Asian country, where it has been widely discussed on social media. We do not know it’s original source. Based on the time stamps, content and technical detail, it may be authentic. This is not authenticated.
Wreckwatch contacted OceanGate Expeditions on Friday June 30, asking for confirmation of the log’s authenticity or other, and suggesting OceanGate contact the families of the explorers to make them aware of its existence on social media and undoubted imminent widespread dissemination from Asia. OceanGate has not responded.
Wreckwatch has contacted industry experts in deep-sea exploration using submersibles, seeking comment. Some say the log is real, one other that it’s fake. If fake, it’s unclear who would have the inside technical knowledge, expedition awareness and timeline of the supposed dive. Any why they’d invest substantial time and effort to fake it. Wreckwatch continues efforts to verify the document.
We have sought to reach out to the families of the explorers independently and have informed the US Coast Guard leading the investigation into the tragedy of this document’s existence in the public domain.
The purported text log has not been edited or altered by Wreckwatch. The name of OceanGate’s engineer has been redacted.
The log discussed here remains unauthenticated.
#titanicsub #titansubmarine #titanic #oceangate
This sounds real. I believe one of the oceangate employees that had access to the logs may have anonymously leaked it. Things like this happen all the time.
That's how James Cameron got all this information day 2
Not only were there two British Pakistanis on board, but their family members were on the Polar Prince throughout the incident, probably listening in in the command centre, as well as during the attempted recovery phase. This transcript first surfaced on a Pakistani educational CZcams channel with comment in English and Urdu. Go figure.
Unfortunately it's not. There was a first draft that is absolutely ridiculous. Full of melodramatic nonsense. This is a cleaned up version and it had me going for a while there until I found the original.
I think it was maybe send around in the sub community and got leaked like that
@@Wildjason888 exactly someone on the ship send it to other people in the community
I’m neither convinced or unconvinced. The only thing I’m sure of is that this submersible was horrendously built, under equipped and essentially a death trap.
On another YTV there was a mention of a name Carlos- asking for Watts on bus A /B - google him
For those that don’t know Stockton Rush invented a “real time hull health monitoring system” abbreviated RTM, to monitor Titan’s carbon fiber hull. Stockton holds the patent on it and explained it a few times. The purpose of the RTM is to provide an early warning alert to the operator if the pressure vessel is ever in danger of deformation or de-lamination. The RTM does this by using a series of sensors that listen to audible noises the hull would make if it was ever in the early stages of deformation. I don’t remember how many sensors were installed, but the message log implies that they were active all around the hull - a global alarm.
This system worked as it provided an 18 minute warning that there was a danger. 18 minutes should’ve been enough time to arrest the decent and ascend to safety. It appears the crew took the correct actions but SOMETHING KEPT DRAGGING THE TITAN DOWN even after releasing their main ballast weights. They had to shed even more weight by dropping their landing skid but for some reason the ASCENT was EXTREMELY SLOW. The natural bouncy of Titan should’ve meant a much faster ascent. They only rose about 50 meters from their lowest point.
We need to understand what forces were preventing Titan from rising at it’s natural bouncy rate after dropping all that weight.
I keep thinking-The ghosts of titanic wreck were dragging them down. Eerie.
@@sarahgbadebo9415 Very eerie…
Even if the posterior gained figure is true, it was going to take way longer to ascend and for the majority of the intended dive depth; completely useless.
You make a good point and I am aware of the warning system. I watched a YT video where an engineer explained it while showing the patient paperwork. He said he was surprised (in not a good way) after reading the accompanying paperwork with the patient that explained how it worked. He actually could not believe that was what Stockon was relying on to be sure the hull didn't begin to break down or breach. He also made a comment that if the warning system actually worked it would in no time give enough warning for anyone to be able to do anything except have an oh shit moment. Also given that the mother boat would have to locate then secure the titan to the platform to remove the 18 bolts on the end cap so the passengers can unload & the titan to complete it's journey from deep down in the ocean, 18 minutes doesn't seem like anywhere near the amount of time for the 5 passengers and support crew to get to safety.
Caught in a drift net?
I do not believe this is authentic for three reasons, based on my direct experience texting from inside a submersible to the surface on many missions to extreme depth. 1) There is not a single typo in the entire chain of texts, and I doubt someone would 'clean up' the texts before publishing this. 2) There are no abbreviations. It takes time to text on a touchscreen so we very often used more abbreviations than shown here. 3) The texts are quite long, compared to what we would typically send back and forth. The baud rate from sub to surface just doesn't support really long messages - you don't have radio bandwidth down there, more like 300 or even 50 baud so you keep texts short and to the point. But mainly, the lack of any typos, especially under significant stress, is striking to the point where I doubt the validity of this exchange. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. - Victor Vescovo, Chief Submersible Pilot Caladan Oceanic
Abbreviation: rtm an abbreviation known only to Oceangate engineer!
If Victor Vescovo himself thinks this is fake then it's fake. This gentleman has gone deeper underwater in more oceans than anyone else alive.
its basically computer aided Morse code from titan to the polar prince. this has nothing to do with cell phones.
In one of the videos on YT (was it from the CBS footage?) I saw they could only send things like one or two letters per message which totally makes sense. Therefore I highly doubt the accuracy of this.
@@dianamincher6479also "neg" = negative so another abbreviation 👍
Well, Oceangate refusing to state if the transcript is accurate sounds like the beginnings of authentication.
Yep..an easy say no 'it's not ours ' if it is......?
Oceangate is keeping silent. Btw the director of communications for the company is Stockton Rush’s wife Wendy. I’m not sure she’d even want to confirm or deny.
They cannot opine as they are subject to Investigation. Is FAKE!
@@JoJoGranum I agree, but if those communications were not real, the in-house lawyers for Oceangate should have immediately put out a written statement as such.
@@vickilindsey4499 true . I’m just not sure what they’re thinking at this point besides damage control.
Something VERY IMPORTANT I noticed. From interviews with people who rode the Titan previously, we know it USUALLY took 2-1/2 hours to descend to Titanic at 3800 meters AND another 2-1/2 hours to get back to the surface. That’s a NORMAL rate of 25.33 meters per minute to Descend and Ascend.
Problem is, after working the math from the transcripts it looks like Titan was actually descending at a rate of approx 38 meters/min FOR THE ENTIRE 1ST HOUR & A HALF before the emergency. That may explain why the Polar Prince mothership kept asking Titan if they needed to adjust their vertical speed?
Fact is: SOMETHING WAS PULLING THE TITAN DOWN MUCH FASTER THAN NORMAL … RIGHT FROM THE VERY START OF THE MISSION!!
This rapid descent speed meant that pressure built up around the hull much faster than usual, and didn’t have time to equalize evenly, so different areas of the hull would feel different pressures in a rapid descent. By contrast the usual slower descent speed would allow the hull more time to acclimate to a steady, more even increase in pressure.
I wonder…did the fast descent speed CAUSE THE FAILURE, or was it a SIGNAL SOMETHING WAS VERY WRONG from the start?
Was any new equipment recently installed in the rear nosecone that changed either the weight or buoyancy, or center of gravity onboard Titan? I understand there was an Emergency airbag that could inflate on the top part of the sub. I’m starting to think maybe water got in this air bag system and it filled up like a reservoir weighing Titan down for the entire duration of the dive……This explains why Titan didn’t immediately rise after dropping their ballasts. They only rose after dropping their entire landing frame. …. I STRONGLY THINK A FLOODED AIRBAG MIGHT BE THE ANSWER!!!
that's what JeffoStroff on YT was likely hinting at as well, given he did the same math regarding how fast they were going and how they barely made 20 meters (60 feet) after trying to ascend just slightly above 3500m after the RTM was ringing red alerts to the crew. Oceangate did have some issues with their bags during deployment once in the water.
I remember a YTer almost going on this dive, but they scrubbed the dive due to bad weather and some bags getting loose. I wouldn't be surprised if they overutilized defective equipment for the bags or other parts of the equipment compartment that made the Titan much heavier in the descent. This is why the certification of equipment (alongside what levels to be at) to satisfy weight capacity & material against intense pressure is important for subs
Yeah, seems like it was covered on other vids already but interesting points.
You can't weigh yourself down with a bag of water under water.
Once the OG wrongly installed one of the thruster in the opposite direction. So yes, won’t be a surprise if either they did something wrong to the sub prior to dive or the CF was failing!
Another, more plausible explanation. During Anderson Cooper’s interview of James Cameron, JC said that the transponder and other CRITICAL Equipment is housed in iIT’s OWN SEPARATE vessel! If this is true, that would explain what might have flooded, weighing down the Titan!
Does anyone know where to find a schematic for the Titan? I’m talking actual building plans, not just 3-D models someone put together recently.
18 minute warning does little when ascending takes far longer. The alarm went off at 3433 m. It took 54 minutes to go 2200 m (from 756 @ 31 min to 2960 @ 75 min). Even if the ascent rate was twice that descent rate (81 m/min v 2200/54) Titan would need 42 minutes to adcend. At 81m/min 18 minutes leaves Titan 1900 m short. Maybe the hull would've held at 1900m.
@@De4dSp0t Where did you get YOUR information. KCRA, an NBC station, has an article that literally says "....Communications between the submersible and its mother ship will also likely be scrutinized. The ship could communicate with the submersible by text messages, and it’s required to communicate every 15 minutes, according to the archived website of OceanGate Expeditions.". And there are MANY other sites that indicate text messaging was how they communicated. So I guess that blows your expert "theory"?
You are forgetting that as they ascend pressure goes down. They had another problem, the rate of ascending was very slow, maybe if they could emerge faster they might had a chance.
2:04 "The hugely experienced and respected pilot Paul-Henri Nargeolet immediately reduced the sub's speed.."
Wasn't Stockton Rush piloting his sub on this dive? Paul-Henri Nargeolet was reportedly employed as Titanic expert and guide to the wreck.
At another mission, even the PR manager or so has been asked to replace a fired pilot.
@@4lpha0ne But Stockton wasn't fired and he is reported to be the captain piloting the Titan. We will find out the details in the report. I just hope that there is a determination of what caused the implosion and what can prevent this from happening in the future. I would hope that the authorities were able to gather enough evidence to study in order to come to a determination insteed of just saying the cause of the implosion is inconclusive.
@@5954ldydi Is there proof that he did it every time and there was no other pilot at any time? I also found out that it was the finance officer who's been asked to do it.
@@5954ldydi I don’t think this will ever happen again. Enough was already known to prevent the Titan implosion from happening in the first place if only Stockton Rush had heeded it.
@@5954ldydi Don't use carbon fiber or composite materials to create vessels that will be subjected to immense pressure! While these materials work great in objects like jets and space shuttles, it is because they are not being subjected to the massive pressure at depth, but are instead "pressurized" and because "air" is so much "thinner" than "water" it is logical to use these lighter materials in order to achieve better control and handling of the aircraft; lighter materials means acceleration/velocity/max speed can all be easier to obtain because not as much thrust and propulsion is needed just to counteract the weight of the aircraft + the effects of gravity.
Back to the Sea: The Tried and True Titanium, and/or Steel (Spheroid) For the Main Hull: (1 - 2 passengers) Acrylic, and/or Ceramic, as specified, and as is rated to withstand the max operational-depth, and PSI allowed to receive certification (i.e, porthole windows? Ceramic Hatch Covering - over Welded Titanium inner-frame that also covers the full circumference of hatch door. All vehicles classified as submarine, or submersibles, especially those which operate under the same auspices as those cruise liners promising adventure and wonder! No one should be allowed to build a vessel following this mode and method again; based on the evidence we now have... However, we are all individuals and make our own choices! Me, personally? I'm afraid of the water if I can't see the bottom! (like YMCA Deep-End kinda scary!)
It must’ve been an incredibly scary 18 minutes. Understanding how the RTM system works, I was absolutely terrified when I first read this log on a different source.
me too. its real and if it isn't it is as close to real that we will ever know.
Real or not, their dead. It really doesn't matter if it's true. But I'm sure it is. But if it isn't it still doesn't matter.
What we do know that it does explain why the ballast and frame were released. They likely did realize they were in trouble and tried to come back. But it was simply too late.
@@De4dSp0t Posting every 4 minutes that this "isn't real". Who is paying you to try and spread MISinformation? While it has not been officially recognized as of yet, that may be due to ongoing investigations. But some of your posts are totally incorrect, including that "they couldn't communicate like this". Your statements are wrong according to dozens of reputable sources.
@@TechieXP Agreed that it doesn't change the outcome. But if it's real it DOES change that they died "instantly" without sufffering vs. had 18 minutes (or more) of pure terror. I mean we don't know if they lost comms and lasted another 5 minutes/an hour, or if the implosion. I've seen a few articles now that stated the Navy detected the implosion sounds -hours- after the comms loss. If that's true then they actually did know they were in very serious trouble and possibly had lots of mental terror before it actually imploded.
Whether or not the transcript is real--is frankly -- irrelevant. Everybody is just hanging on to the story to find closure that is unobtainable. Everybody died. But they died painlessly. Nothing in the transcript ( real or not) will provide meaning. Sorry- it won't.. All that is left is this:
1. Stockton Rush was a reckless narcissist who was incapable of understanding criticism as anything other than a personal attack
2. The rest of the crew were warned that they paid huge sums of money to dive in a shoddy vehicle that had no certification. And they did this for no valid scientific or historical or humanitarian reasons. They were free to back away. They chose to board, knowing this can happen.
We are all stuck trying to figure out what we would have done if given the chance to be on the craft, and which of the five is most like us.
None of them made rational decisions. And all died because of it. At least they did not suffer
Could you imagine the terror of the passengers if the external stern was flooded and the bow or nose was was pointing straight upwards sliding them all to the stern of the tube on top of each other, while they attempted to surface.
But the final messages reported no mention of being unable to maintain a horizontal aspect Sure it could have happened after communication was impossible but I don't believe so. Changing orientation so severely would surely have caused implosion before they got stuck vertical. Just my opinion. Who knows. I do know that sub should only have had a working life of a single dive or maybe two.
The external stern was not pressurized you dummy.
@@TheNelster72 ,
Yes, the newer leak communication logs suggests they were level but ascending very slow before communication was lost.
The tail cone is always filled with water
@@RPGreg2600correct, it is not pressurized like the carbon fiber part
James Cameron knew this was real, he stated he knew they dropped the weight, frame and were attempting to ascend, he knew this, Well before it was released, of course this is real.
Was he contacted for help and advice, in which case they might have read him or sent him this log? I am not for a moment suggesting he leaked it. There is a more obvious and understandable route.
I don’t think James Cameron leaked it however he did allude to it and made references that he knew something. The submersible community is a small tight knit community.
FAKE! The time frame is wrong, the words are too long for he text system that was used. They dropped 2 bags of weight to slow down the descent and land gently on the seabed. Not because they were aware of emergency.
@@renatarojas3698whats your source?
@@TheAverageGamer1First hand account. I was ON the ship.
How did James Cameron know about them dropping weights? He knew this on Monday morning. I believe there was information available to a small number of people.
Yes I agree. James probably spoke to someone in the crew or someone involved in the rescue operation. Let's remember there are only a small group of people working in this profession in the entire world. Most are friends and have worked together before or at the very least know one another. I can only imagine when a catastrophic tragedy in their field happens how quickly news of the details of what is known can travel. Most likely -lightning fast. Hoping this is a fake. I hope if they did get a warning that something was seriously wrong that they did not have enough time to process it before the tragedy occurred. That's my hope anyway.
I agree. Cameron said it is a small community and they all know each other at some level. Whoever was communicating with sub, waited hours before reporting it missing. I'm sure they made sure transcripts were safe.
James Cameron is part of a very small and very select submarine group. He isn't just a film director. He also built his own sub and made it to the very bottom of the Mariana trench (the deepest recorded part of the ocean) he was the first to go to that depth if I'm not mistaken. If you Google challenger deep then you can find some information about it. Since it's a very small circle of people who can and have gone to those depths it's very likely he knew someone on the rescue and recovery mission and they likely gave him real time info that hadn't been released. This small deep diving group contains members from each country.
@@melissacoxen6001 Yes. It takes 8 hours to dive to the Marianna, as opposed to 2 to get to Titanic. Cameron knew about the sound of the implosion heard at the same time the Titan was lost. He knew about it on Monday and the rest of the world didn't learn of it for days.
The transcript that is going around, I think is fake. OceanGate did not report the sub missing for hours. They had plenty of time to clean up. I doubt that transcript got out. Word of mouth is different.
I agree. He saw these logs and they make sense
OceanGate is exposed to liability and negligence claims. Its record of indifference to minimum safety precautions and doing it all on the cheap speaks for itself.
The communications are detailed and very specific to Oceangate sub.
They didn't display a lack if safety precautions, they actually created and patented several accoustic monitoring systems for the carbon fiber hull and believed that their safety measures were superior. They also displayed a very distinct set of safety checks and a culture of safety. Unfortunately his safety measures were incorrect and not better than the general safety guidelines. He was wrong. Terribly wrong. The difference matters.
@@syncretictakeout2842 There are a couple of videos I have watched on here that were made by engineers on engineering channels. They both got copies of Stocktons patient and were horrified. Both came to the same conclusion that if this monitoring system even worked the alarm would go off as the carbon fiber on the hull was failing. This wouldn't give the crew enough time to do anything to save themselves. In other words right after the alarm would go off if it did the submersible would most likely implode.
There's one major issue with this log that puts it in doubt, the people on the Polar Prince waited 6-7 hours after LoS to contact authorities for help. Why would the Polar Prince wait that long if they knew the submersible was aborting due to hull alarms going off?
They knew it had imploded. They wanted to win time in order to destroy evidence, files at headquarters and talk to lawyers.
Hoping?
Because the log states that the sub was ascending at 1/4 the normal rate, and 8 hours is how long it would have taken.
Because lost comms happened all the time with this coffin. It bacame a normal thing.
Because they were a bunch of 20-something "interns" and not mature enough to know how to handle the incident would be my guess?!
That's a lot of communication. I initially heard they can't communicate much at all after about 500m.
From an interview of a person who saw actual text communications to the Titan submersible. He said that the texts were done in a strange shorthand with very few characters because the texting is done using sounds to communicate text characters with the titan. Why would these texts have so many characters including periods?
It is possible that whoever had access to the raw text, decoded it before leaking it - in order to make it comprehensible to outsiders.
@@De4dSp0t completely agree 👍
@@jaybanerjee6875 Watch interview with David Pogue. He’s a knowledgeable journalist. He’s been on the mothership and in the titan. He talks about the text between the mothership and Titan. The texts are sent by acoustic pulses and consist of a three letter code. All these texts in this video have way too many descriptive words and punctuation. Looks very suspicious.
OceanGate has lawyer-ed up, hence, no media comment.
Wreckwatch got in before media?
Thank you for clearly making the title state it was a question if this was authentic of fake. I hate click bait even when done from very good content creators. I hope to see more!
Absolutely true...especially after learning what was said because James Cameron basically said immediately what these transcripts said...he didn't even try 2 b quiet about it...confirming that they dropped weights and were definitely trying to come up...like Sunday or Monday James Cameron said what happened
The video poster is spot on when he asks who had the technical and inside knowledge to fabricate such a creation. And I'll add to that what do they stand to gain by creating it? These questions make me think it's authentic.
It is authentic
One thing is for sure considering that the electronics looked to be in very good condition from the news footage it's probably almost certain that they have footage of the whole dive on hidef camera footage and probably multiple angles.
I believe that too. There was no way that 5 men went down to view the Titanic with no video or cameras also I'm sure the Titan had their video cameras rolling unless they were out of service or were not working due to a power failure, etc. Either way there had to be several video and pictures being taken even via cellphone. Hopefully they are salvageable.
Anything inside was destroyed so would have to be camera outside and I'm pretty sure they all faced out but I'm not 100% sure there wasn't another camera. It would have to be able to deal with the pressure n water tho so doubtful imo.
@@working2bselfsufficient724 they had multiple cameras running inside the cabin, he was desperate for cash so was using everything possible like free seats for CZcams channels so it's 100% definite that a bunch of hide cameras and audio were running constantly for use after in marketing,
Also look at news footage of the compartment with all the tech and power equipment and very likely the hard drives/video storage it's basically in excellent condition it hardly looks touched,
Maybe there is a bit of damage but considering how robust moder storage hard drives are I don't think it's possible that they don't have footage,
Also the texts between the sub and support ship if they are true would mean that there was a 10 to 15 minute emergency,
And listening to that it sounds like the rear compartment started flooding after load cracking and they struggled to climb,
It the texts are true that may have filled with Water and sent it down where it imploded,
Even if that rear compartment flooded the electronics should have been watertight at least.
@@5954ldydiCould such recordings be retrieved if the storage media were crushed under the weight of dozens of elephants and soaked in water?
@@jasonkeating9958The electronics were not alright. One of the power supplies was broken and likely crackling and the other probably dead since changing over reported no difference.
A great explaination here...From all I have watched, read, and heard, there was the cracking noises from the rear meant that the pressure had been compromised in the rear where the power and batteries were somehow and possibly taking on water. It was now sinking faster than normal desending time and distance. Once that happen, a short time later they were in panic mode for 15 or 20 minutes, (from the communitation texts) before the carbon fiber hull totally disintegrated popping the nose cone and rear ring off. If the Titan was loosing power, just maybe the power to the pressure regulator for inside pressure was compromised also causing not to produce enough pressure inside to equal the outside water pressure. I find it really interesting you are confirming my thoughts, and I'm just a backyard hillbilly grease monkey.
Unless someone can tell me where it came from and why you have it versus everyone having it, I'm saying it is fake.
Sad fact, on previous missions Stockton’s wife Wendy was the one texting from the mothership! I wonder if she was texting her husband on this mission?
Oh God that was so much worse read like that. Made me cry.
Thank you for bringing it to life
So sad
The passengers were scammed for their funds, needed so Rush and PH could play Russian Roulette.
The passengers couldn't have known the increasing risk with each dive.
PH said he was ready to die.
Were they?
Or was this murder?
IF this is the log THEN she was descending at 1.5 - 2 times the normal rate and it's extraordinary that the descent wasn't abandoned in the very early stages.
Whatever the reason(s) for the rapid descent it/they represented a serious problem (reflected in the very slow ascent when all ballast and the recovery frame had been ditched).
The RTM was completely useless for safety at extreme depths - problems are likely to be immediate and recovery very slow.
"The sea endures no makeshifts. If a thing is not exactly right it will be vastly wrong." John Buchan.
I think it’s 100% real. If it’s fake it’s a VERY GOOD fake. At 8:10 in the video an employee’s name is blocked. A different source had that employee’s name as Carlos. One way to verify its authenticity would be to find out if there was an Ocean Gate employee named Carlos.
The name is Carlos
Why Walter?
That won't verify anything. Anyone can look up the public employee list of OceanGate and create a false log mentioning a lead engineer.
@@mmr0221 It’s a Big Lebowski reference….
@@De4dSp0t What do you mean it wasn’t able to send texts like this? Of course it was. It didn’t have voice communication so it had a transceiver and transducer to communicate with the Polar Prince via text messages.
The narrator is making mistakes but pay attention to the text , there is no mistake in it , it agrees with what was said about a problem and loss of contact on that day before they had time to cya
The log fits in wih the Oceangate time frame for dive.
It's already been determined to most likely be faked and whoever made it would have known they lost contact and what time it happened since it was widely reported on the news during the search and rescue missions.
Great video. Thank you. I subscribed!! Xoxo
I assume the sub was cracking and the sea water started leaking in making the sub unable to ascend but instead was descending uncontrollably into even higher pressure which eventually caused it to implode. Before it implode, all sensors detected the sub was under immense pressure and red lights started to show up with sound of alarm.
They were all happy because they were going down so fast, this thing was sinking from the start.
Oh, that horrific moment when all- ALL the f$@#ing alarm lights went red. Never mind what those final texts being exchanged discussing emergency measures said- the lights alone coupled with the crackling noise said it all.
And was the RTM of any use?
Did they understand when the indications could mean impending disaster? Did they have go/no-go limits?
If the RTM indicated serious issues at 3800 m, was there any chance of ascending to "safe" depths before collapse, considering the hours-long ascent time?
No use in getting warnings if you don't know what they mean, and have no way of escaping disaster when the indications get really bad.
Can you imagine, the RTM is flashing red but you are still thousands of feet underwater. Why why why was the RTM thought of as a competent safety system. Do you think he was reading one of those “build a submarine for dummies” yellow books when they made that coffin.
If this is true or even half true, it’s terrifying. Based on Rush’s behavior, he would have brushed it off and lied to the passengers. But I hope he personally realized what was happening. Prayers for the deceased and their families.
You know before this transcript came out, I said. "Stockton knew something was up and he probably told everyone 'it's okay. It happens all the time'"
@@edwingonzalez5185the only other person that knew they were screwed was PH.
The freeze frame of 7:00 is quite telling. So many questions that should already have been answered by a five minute routine call by Titan to surface vessel.
I think it's fake. Because of the comments on cracking. I do not believe Stockton would have mentioned that as if it's an issue, after all crackking had been heard by many passengers before, and Stockton had apparently warned passengers to expect to hear the noises. So why would he suddenly mention them in the texts as if he thought they were a sign of a problem?
Because the noises they heard on most dives was obviously different to this last dive! It was alarming and Stockton knew. I believe this is real.
This wasn't "cracking" it was "crackling" which to my way of thinking indicates an electrical fault and/or fire.
@@chrisantoniou4366 could be. But highly doubt it there was a fire due to pressure and the water.
@@LetsGo__111 I was thinking of an electrical fire like wires charring. I'm not sure the pressure would make any difference to a fire, but the water would. My main point is that the word "crackling" suggests something other than the carbon fibre pressure hull which would have been "cracking"... It's just my opinion of course because we don't know what noises a carbon fibre pressure hull would make just before failure.
Would the pressure on the hull significantly reduced as they ascended so that they may have escaped an implosion?
Yes
Yes, if they could have ascended properly they might have outrun the forces causing the implosion.
God bless all!
I wonder: the crackling sound, was it slight, or booming considering all the pressure
Would be exciting to make a movie on this; the cracking hull the rtm indicators so exciting. =)
X = Carlos
Carlos Rosas
Looking at communications between top & sub on previous missions, was velocity mentioned?
.EDIT: Why fake it? To avoid liability, or try to.
I just don’t understand why somebody would put in the effort to make the fake that realistic. Writing dialogue that convincing requires knowledge of both creative writing and submersibles. Aren’t too many people like that, and I doubt James Cameron is game for internet hijinks atm.
David Pogue who piloted this sub on test dives said communication is done using 3 letter shorthand "texts" using soundwaves and this "transcript" conversation would not even be possible to have.
Agreed. If someone wanted to sensationalize the dive, they would have made it more "dramatic" in my opinion. It's also telling that Oceangate have not responded, one would think they'd have denied this was a true transcript of the communications if it was fake.
The people at the top seem more panicked than Stockton in the sub
The thing I have about this authenticity is that no serious news channel has jumped on it so there is mo multiple pints of confirmation .
There is a legal shite storm on the horizon over this..
Cameron reported same: his friends on the inside reported problrms, dropped ballast, RTM alarms.
Biden laptop was also ignored.
Pfft CNN was talking about it having X hours of oxygen left meanwhile everyone knew this thing imploded. Don’t trust the news
You mean those same news outlets that refused to tell us the Biden laptop was real?
This made me cry 😢
I believe that’s as close as we’re ever gonna get to seeing what actually happened
Maybe Oceangate got their sums wrong and the sub never had enough basic buoyancy. Also I read somewhere that an ultrasound inspection of the carbon fibre Hull section would have been easy to do and not expensive, but SR refused to do it.
Or maybe the sub was overloaded?
Sounds authentic...
That was minimum info for an emergency they needed ship to give remedy for problems , that would have been the type of communication that ether of two in control of dive to give
Ok so what I'm understanding is they had a leak in the back and heard cracking sounds and the thrusters didn't have enough power to get them to the surface cause of the water they where taking in. N it got so heavy that it crashed to the bottom of the sea. And they thought at the time it was the weights that where weighing them down but it was the water from the leak. So it hit back first and then broke apart and it also flooded before it hit the bottom of the sea. That is what I'm getting from reading this.
The last of the messages talked about the wattage of the two electrical buses. I assume that the current from the batteries is carried to the propellers by the power buses, so it looks to me like the batteries were damaged, reducing the wattage carried by the buses, and thus reducing the power available to run the propellers. That would likely explain why they were unable to ascend at normal speeds.
@@shags3071exactly. Them depths and pressures is a different extreme. Not 1 drop of water would’ve got inside the pressure chamber.
Why would stockton type 'Global RTM' rather than just RTM? waste of effort and time.
It's my understanding that there were multiple sensors.
If this transcript is real. Then global rtm could mean that all the sensors were going off, instead of just one.
Calculating rate of descent between the first 3 depth reports it is about 38M/Minute. Between the last two depths the rate is 43M/Minute. Also is it known that the frame could be jettisoned?
A single gallon of saltwater weighs, on average, 8.55 pounds (3.87 kg), but this weight can vary depending on the salinity of the water. I wonder how much water the carbon fiber might have absorbed during the several previous dives. We know that carbon fiber, when under extreme pressure, can and does absorb water. Had the hull absorbed 25 gallons at 8.5 lbs, it would have an extra 212.5 lbs. The effect on buoyancy would be double at 425 lbs since the water absorbed by the carbon fiber meant that it would have also lost an equal amount of buoyancy. This might explain why Titan descended faster than normal and could barely ascend even after dropping ballast, landing skid and had it's thrusters on full. Titan was already too heavy from the moment she started her dive due to progressive water absorption from multiple previous dives. Just my thoughts. What do you guys think?
For the season, The Titan on the platform was towed behind the ship instead of on at the ship
Pretty sure the engineers name was carlos. I saw it in another video with the communications when fiest came out.
Maybe look at the past logs from past dives and compare the communication?
If its real it sounds like the rear compartment was leaking, that compartment is completely separate from the crew compartment its the rear fin area where the batteries and computer and electronics are stored,
That make sense of the script where they struggled to assend ie filled with water and batteries and electronics being submerged,
If this is real and the rear compartment flooded then instead of assending they would have very likely started rapidly sinking.
The weight of the rear instrument/tail section bolted to rear dome may have torqued/pulled on the epoxy bond between carbon and titanium rings. The crackling from the rear....location undetermined shortly before accent and final message is interesting.
Some reports say the rear compartment is a fairing filled with individual pressure proof components (like battery packs). Unless the batteries used sea water as an electrolyte, they would have to be sealed to prevent shorting.
It is probably easier to make a small volume item able to resist higher pressures than a large diameter tube. But your hypothesis is possible; one or more of these individual items flooded. "Power Bus A" problems suggest some electrical item(s) failed.
But clearly, the pressure hull also failed.
@@christophercripps7639 Depending on the type of battery, shorting would be the least of their problems if salt water got to the batteries. Certain batteries tend to not like salt, and by not like I mean burst into chemical fires that can't be put out with water. It happens all the time with electric cars on the coast that get flooded by storm surges.
The rear compartment is not sealed. It fills with water normally at the beginning of the dive. All the individual components in the rear compartment have to survive the water pressure on an individual basis. Only the crew compartment is a pressure vessel, and this provides the majority of the bouyancy.
@@blazepascal5340 the rear fairing is separate from the crew cabin but don't forget that all the electronics and batteries and many systems are inside that fairing, it's not an empty space
Hmm! These messages confirm to me. That the Titan began problems and 96 minutes later - problem began. And the sub was beginning to crack up. I'm pretty sure that for half the time there's no difficulty. Until reaching 3457 metres then problems began. Then unfortunately the sub developed major faults. I had suspected that the hull material was to blame. This does nothing to disprove the suspicion of that.
Actually it seems there was a problem very early on since they descended way too fast. There must have been a reason for that. I wonder why neither the sub pilot, nor the mother ship bothered about it.
@@yukisan78 It's not beyond possibility that Rush intended "not to waste time" going down slowly, so his passengers got more time on the wreck. Unwise, but that seems to sum him up.
If the report is real why did the support ship wait until the evening before sending out a mayday?
It seems the hull may have been leaking who knows (in the aft)
The monitoring system sounds great i suppose, but i wouldnt get in that thing, titanium sphere is the only way!
Challenger deep is 36,000ft and it definitely wouldnt have been done with a cylinder carbon fiber especially
Titanium and CFRP react differently to the pressure underwater, The CFRP gets smaller, while the titanium is basically unaffected. So it was only a matter of time before their epoxied joints failed.
All those procedures and comms gave the illusion of the control. That RTM system gives warning way too late for anything to be done. Unless there is an emergency rapid ascent system, any warning of a damaged hull is pointless.
The "nosecone" section did not appear water tight from what I saw. How did that work?
I know this is late, but basically the actual watertight compartment was the main cylinder, and the nosecone wasn't part of that, it was just attached to it.
@schmoo3309 So, all those "sensitive" instruments exposed to the.sea pressure? Not a trustworthy design.
@@destronia123 the nosecone on the back didn't have any of that stuff in it. I believe it was just for buoyancy and aesthetics, based on diagrams I've seen. Obviously still a terrible design though
I personally think Rush had far too much faith in his RTM. Reason I think this is his intial test dives in the Bahamas the hull cracked loudly not on just the first but second dive with Karl Stanley down to 12,500 ft. Stanley described it as small calliber arms fire which continued on and off throughout the dive and didn't stop till they were above 300tf. Stanley concluded it was a massive amount of stored energy in the carbon fibre hull delaminating. My point is this hull survived two dives despite obviously breaking down. I believe this hull was replaced but probably gave Stockton huge confidence that if it can survive two dives with audible cracking that monitors would give him huge warning of any potential failure. Obviously not the case.
Have you contacted the ministry of truth ?
Some people may demand that you do so, and may get a panic attack.
Is that bodies in the flaw buble in the end?
Glass bubble on the end
To those of you who wonder how James Cameron knew, I believe it is more likely that the frame under the vehicle--the skis underneath--were located early on in the search, and someone probably forwarded this information to Cameron.
Remember that the skis could be dropped manually in the event of an emergency. So if they had transcripts and that perfectly intact landing...rack(?)...weird design... anyway, with those two pieces of information, it is likely many close to the operation presumed they dropped the skis and headed for the top, however perhaps they went missing on the ascent, and were bopping like a testicle shaped apple out there in the surf. This is what the CG was likely publicly assuming so that they could take advantage of a brilliant time and resources to run "exercise, exercise, exercise." Lol. I think this is what the coast guard may have done, and what Cameron was told. Privately perhaps felt everyone was dead, bit did not know 100%, nor did Cameron.
As I said in my reply to a previous comment, I think it's both true (very minimal information that J Cameron had access to) and false: a lot of unverifiable additions to make the whole thing more sensational.
Why did u have to leave Carlos name out of it ? It's not like they gave his last name
Fake
Also the plastic binder's specific gravity increases at a far greater rate than carbon fibre under increasing pressure causing laminations due to the binders plastically reduced volume seting up rapid fatigue failure under repeated loading/trips.
NOTE: Boeing engineeers should have condemned the carbon fibre for destruction once it passed it's "use-by" date?
Out-of-date carbon fibre could be used perfectly safely for non-engineering-critical applications. You could probably make a tea-tray out of it, or similar, if you wanted to.
@@alisonwilson9749 Agreed. It just wasn't usable for life-critical apps.
OceanGate trying hard not to get sued, so they would not confirm anything at this point.
As a layperson, I would assume the RTM would be at least able to monitor rate of descent. Basic maths shows this to be much faster than normal. Why wasn’t it picked up much sooner by either the RTM or the experts monitoring the dive, and the dive aborted?
The most tested and proven component on the Titan was the Logitech controller. That’s all I need to know…
What does ``atf`` mean ?
Aft = back / rear
@@jaybanerjee6875 thanks 👍
if its fake somebody did their homework on terminology and decend rates. even tho it was kinda fast could explain what could have happened
Yeah, if it's a fake the faker did their research. Plus they avoided the clickbait urge to make it VERY DRAMATIC AND TRAGIC. No last "tell our family we love them" messages. They kept it to a discussion of the diver parameters. It does sound plausible, at least.
They knew they were in trouble before they died. so they knew what was coming, but it happened so quickly.
It didn't had a certification. What makes you think it had a log?
I think it sounds very real. Most fake reports of things like this are ridiculously amateurish and overly dramatic to sell the image of tragedy.
This was very calm and unemotional, and used correct terminology. They were in serious trouble, but I don't think they were panicking. They were methodically trying to ascend once they heard 'crackling sounds' and the RTM system showed problems.
They lost power which hindered them ascending. From the time of first trouble to LOS was about 19 minutes yet they only managed to ascend less than 25 meters in that time.
It would be hugely abbreviated if it was real. There's no way they had the band width to use (and correctly spell) such long messages. Asc, D, Wt, Sp etc not ascending to etc etc etc.
Fake as F**k
Assuming that you have received this from a reliable source, the first thing you should do is check the timeline. Either you are presenting it incorrectly, or the source is inaccurate and therefore unreliable because at 1:45 into the video you say that "after an hour all was smooth sailing". At 1:49 you say that "50 minutes later the explorers were still enjoying the ride..." That takes us up to 1 hour and 50 minutes into the dive. However, at 1:56 you say that "at 1 hour and 36 minutes into the dive the sub observed an alarm ....". You just said everything was fine through 1 hour and 50 minutes into the dive, so this timeline is an obvious forgery or fabrication and probably, a poor attempt at seeking attention. I have unsubscribed my membership. Even if you are the victim, your negligence in not vetting this material is irresponsible. Sadly, it is all too common these days.
18 mins for lethal breakdown?
I believe it is a fake, at least I hope so. 😢. Do do make some really good points though.
@@dianamincher6479 I'm hoping it was milliseconds.
@@NI06300 Yes, I hear 15 as well. They did checks every 15 minutes, so that timeline makes sense.
@@NI06300They say: 15 minutes later. Not 50 minutes. The checks were done every 15 minutes.
The boat knows how fast the sun is going down as it seems the thing went down fast.
RTM?? To do what? Tell them the hull is about to implode? Pretty useless gear when you're 3500 meters down. This thing was back yard engineering
The support vessel knew the depth of the sub. So why would they keep asking the sub about their depth.
They obviously did not know. Duh!
They knoew the last reported depth and that the sub was having difficulty ascending so they were asking to see if and how quickly they were ascending.
The purported sound recording of the implosion with a lot of echoes might also be an nteresting thing to be analyzed.
Let me explain what the transcript of the implosion sounded like with text: "BOOM!".
Irrespective whether the log is real or not, they waited 8 hours before alerting the CG. Why?
That noise in the aft. wasn't good news!
I get the feeling the first sounds they heard was the compartment eith all the equipment getting fucked and then the second sounds they heard were probably the last sounds they heard
If this was real the support ship would have sent out the alert straight after these messages were sent, not wait around 8 hours later as they would have clearly known something was wrong at that point.
But stocken hired teens apparently so maybe they were too inexperienced to know what to do
Since Oceangate is a Mickey Mouse scam operation helmed by a now dead lying sociopath who lobbed threats of litigation at anyone who questioned him that’s doubtful. Last thing he wanted was the authorities nosing around. Also his partner in crime, his wife, was on board and likely had a say in when to raise the alarm.
I agree. I heard someone say the implosion would of actually been heard of felt by the crew on the mothership. Either way that crew did look young and a lot looked unexperienced I can see them panicking and notifying someone or the authorities if they really thought something had gone wrong instead of just waiting.
The mothership was hired by Oceangate and were following instructions from headquarters to give time for them to surface. In my opinion, files and emails regarding safety concerns may have been scrubbed during this time.
@vickilindsey4499 I agree with you. If they deliberately scrubbed all incriminating evidence, to hamper future investigations...then the company may well be looking at criminal / manslaughter charges. The whole horrible story, start to finish, has a really sinister vibe around it.
And I only feel badly for the teenager.
What a useless alarm system. What kind of alarm systen do real submersibles have?
Unconfirmed until public release.
Well for starters…Stockton Rush drove the sub, not PH Nargeolet.
This log should be shown to the police to confirm its authenticity
Can't wait for the movie 🍿
If transcript is true.
Why Titan descended at faster rate then it should have?
Why Titan ascended very slowly?
There was an air tank at 10 000psi, why that tank air was not used to inflate buoyancy balloons?
Water leakage
Somewhere James Cameron got all this information that's in this transcript he had this information Sunday night or Monday everything he said turned out to be what happened so authenticity on this transcript it's 50/50
Better be fake, otherwise it's jail for all on the surface ship. Why did they say they just lost Comms with the sub and not declare the sub was in trouble and only reported it missing 8 hours later, like they had no clue what happened apart from lost comm.
Probably because Rush put the fear of God into them that they were NEVER to involve authorities and make Oceangate look bad? Anyway, it's highly unlikely reporting it at the time would have saved anyone.
If we hypothetically believe this log is true, the best speculation by some comments I've read is that the battery compartments lost their seal and the ballast tanks were crushed or leaked, before emergency ascension and final implosion.
I understand that at the tremendous pressure the smallest diameter hole in the passenger chamber would catastrophicaly kill everyone in a fraction of a second but would a tiny pinhole do the same?
It be interesting to measure the speed of pressure equalization it a chamber with a radio controlled valve opened to various orifices of different micro diameters.
I would go to space without a doubt but i wouldn't go deep into sea its pointless
Should've gone to Mass instead.