CD-ROM Drives and the Amiga Computer
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2020
- In this video I attach an external AppleCD 300e Plus CD-ROM drive to one of my Amiga 3000 computers. A LOT more info can be found in an article version here: www.amigalove.com/viewtopic.p...
In the video I explain the software I used to get it running, and use it to its fullest potential. MODs, Fred Fish CDs, Music CDs - it's a beautiful world. If only Commodore had fully embraced CD-ROM tech with its computer line early on.
Intro Music by the SUPREMELY talented musician Waveshaper, with permission [Sweden].
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Soundtrack music by the SYNTH LORD Android Automatic, with permission [Detroit, USA].
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Outro music permission by the ULTRA bad ass: Axion, with permission [Canada].
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It did. Commodore have the distinction of being perhaps the only company to embrace CD-ROM both too early AND too late.
Good lord, that’s a lot more feature-filled than my 1MB A500
well, I’m only 16. Gotta get the funds to upgrade it somehow. It’s wild how people were able to use a 512KB-1MB computer with a single floppy drive and no OS in ROM or hard disk back in the late 80s-early 90s as their main PC
And to think, now all of this including the monitor runs more than 10x faster on magazine sized tablets and you have a great work of art
OS3.1 and 3.1 rom (Amigaos 3.0 comes with it also,but it was broken)comes with scsi cd drivers by default. You just copy CD0 from Devs:Storage to Devs:Dosdrivers and then edit the icon information for scsi device and cdrom unit,and cdrom is up and running. its amazing most people still don't know this. A better solution and easy for both scsi and atape is ASIMcdfs 3.10,its commercial but easy to find and has way many features including cdtv emulation and such. If you get a burner on the Amiga,you can also burn cd's on amiga with Makecd,Fryingpan,MasterISO,Burnit.
Hey there. I have ASIMcdfs but was never able to get it to work with my original CDTV discs. That includes one that's *supposed* to work, like Lemmings. Sounded cool. I should give it another try one of these days. Wish that worked the way I expected it would. Thanks for watching!
Miss them CD days
I would love to get a SCSI CDROM for my Amiga 2000 oneday.. would be the start of many upgrades on the system. I am lucky to OWN a mint A2000 which was stored away for years.. PS Varta was removed in time.. ;)
You are a lucky man indeed, Paul. I found a boxed, never used never opened A2000 in Portland a few years ago. It had been in storage for decades from a computer store that had gone out of business many years ago. Anyway, I got it and as soon as I got home I removed the varta. It made me kind of sick inside opening the machine up for the first time, but it was necessary surgery. That machine was hands down the cleanest, mintiest Amiga I've ever owned. I soon sold it as I didn't feel I was worthy to hang onto such an epic prize at the time. It was jaw dropping. That being said, after selling it, it funded my vintage computing hobby for a year at least. Hang onto that machine. The A2000 is a glorious thing.
@@AmigaLove The one i got was stored away in a loft in original boxes mostly likely in the early 90s... I managed to get it shipped safely from Newcastle England to Manchester... 6 Boxes came with Games and floppies and Joy sticks and original keyboard... it was like Christmas..
9:06 - RTG is “retargetable graphics,” not “realtime.”
Whoopsiedaisy. Funny, I must have listened to myself say that while editing a hundred times and it never clicked. At least I can fix the article version (which was the original script).
I remember my first ever CD drive 4XSCSI burner. Added to my Amiga 1200 tower and used to collect all the Amiga Mags with CD cover discs. I also burned all my own CD.s with Fred fish and cover disc compliations. Also converted clipart and clipsound PC discs over. You could get IFF clipart back then. Sold the lot in early 2000's and regret it now. started with a new A1200, but no rev 6 060 just a poo EC060. However I do have a 44 to 40 pin IDE cable on the way to get my old IDE CD Roms tested out.
I really think that both Atari and Commodore owe their demise to not pushing the CD. In Atari’s case, the STe should have had an optional CD drive, with the Falcon coming with one as standard. In the case of Commodore, the A1200 should have had a CD drive accessory, with subsequent models having one built in. I think the “killer app” for the PC, what really cemented Windows as the de facto standard, was Encarta. Encarta was the Trojan horse that got Windows PCs into every home, under the pretext of the kids using it for schoolwork. Sure, there were forces at work in the market before 1995 that had DOS/Windows squarely on track to hold a strong position for the foreseeable future, but Encarta was, in my opinion, what secured the monoculture, and drove rival computers to their ends.
The reason I put so much importance on Encarta, here, is because of Atari and Commodore’s existing install base. Across Europe and Australia, they were far more common computers. Kids already had them for games, they could be used for schoolwork, and the parents could use them for more serious stuff (even if they might have needed a 286 emulator board to bring work home, or something). If Atari and/or Commodore had developed a reputation as being good for education, they’d have held that position on every kid’s desk.
They kinda tried with the CDTV, but not only did C= not know how to market and sell it, neither did the salespeople in the shops (at least in the US that was true). At least, not for that price. Your thought on Encarta in an intriguing one indeed. Thanks for watching!
@@AmigaLove I think the problem with the CDTV was the core concept. They were pushing it as a game console that had an A1200 at its heart. Instead of “look at the FMV games and CD audio you can have”, they should have pushed it as “look at the multimedia applications of the CD”. My knowledge of the CD32 is pretty slim, but as far as I know, it was most commonly used for CD compilations of games A1200 users could get on floppy, or for small modifications to those games like an FMV intro cutscene. A strong push from the top, getting developers to use CDs as more than shiny floppy disks might have changed their fortunes.
Excellent Amiga! Excellent video! And also excellent taste in music!
LOL thanks, Jan! I really appreciate the kind words. FWIW back in the day I could only get The Glove via a special import from Germany for some reason. Never really understood the history behind that, but I'm glad I've got a copy to this very day. It's rather rare in physical format, even to this day.
Great video. I bought an external MediaVision CDR-MV2 (it came with Amiga mountlist entries for the scsi.device) for my A2500 in the mid-90s. Its a top loader and probably even 1X, still it gave me access to the Fred Frozen Fish 1994 CD that motivated me to make the jump. In the past few years I used it, and via Ethernet shared the device to a second '030 Amiga and install CD based software.
I love seeing new software and techniques being developed to modernize older computers. Cool stuff!
And what better place to store Commodore software than a Commodore filing cabinet! :)
I got so lucky finding that cabinet a few years ago. Picked it up for just a couple Andrew Jacksons. Getting it home and into the house was NOT easy! Sucker weighs a ton. But yeah - I have an entire drawer devoted to Fred Fish disks which came from a User Group that is now completely dissolved.
I have a TON of those old drives in my attic... I loved the case... I also have one of hose file cabinets... yours in in FAR better shape than mine is.
there you go again with another excellent video 👍😉
Aw - thanks KHS. You're the best, I really appreciate it.
I admire the commodore file cabinet... What are the open white boxes that hold the floppies so nice in the drawer? I have a similar old school metal cabinet and would like to dedicate a drawer to floppies...
I could show you a photo some time and give you the dimensions.
Just the fact that it has Leonard Nimoy in the first minute gets a thumbs up from me! LL&P!
Oh man, when I stumbled across that bizarre promo video (for Magnavox) I was mesmerized. That outfit? The raised eyebrow. But most importantly, that voice. The mustache took me by surprise, but I can roll with it. He was a happenin' dude.
Great stuff! I need to try a few of those other audio players. They look pretty nice.
They are super solid, Doug. Really top shelf high quality applications. Thanks for watching!! This one took a long time to put together but it was a lot of fun, too.
I Love Amiga!! 🤩🤩🤩❤❤❤
Windows & Mac had CD-ROM drives in the mid 1990s.
They sure did (the CD-ROM drive I'm using in the video was made in 1993 by Apple). That's kind of the point. And they won.
nicely done. scripts, a layout, and all. i have no idea what that is. lol Great job! put together real nice!
Thanks a lot, Chris. That really means a lot to me coming from an Amiga Guru like yourself. I decided to change up my format recently. With a job/kids it means I might only drop 1 video a month (or even 5-6 weeks), but at the end of the day I'm happier with the end result. CZcams doesn't like it because I don't generate enough content on a timetable they prefer (like, once a week). But that just means my videos likely won't serve ads any time soon, which is fine by me and viewers I'm sure! Thanks for watching!!
Amazing channel, Have a question: Could I use the apple cd 300 (sony 8003 with caddy) on a pc with scsi controller like the future domain isa 8 bit ??? I´m trying to use it on a 286 machine. Also , could be used on an amiga 1200 with a squirrell ??? Just adquired one days ago and wanted to know if works on pc or need an amiga or mac. Thanks.
I can't say if it would work with a PC or not as I've not tried, but if you have good PC drivers (and a SCSI port that fits) I don't see why it wouldn't work. It's not that unique, really. Just a very well-made CD-ROM player.
That video card is lovely. My Picasso II kicked the bucket recently. Do you have a link to where a person could buy the video card you mention in this video?
Absolutely. Here you go. I currently only use the video card feature(s). shop.mntmn.com/products/zz9000-for-amiga-preorder
@@AmigaLove they are nice looking cards, but they certainly not cheap either, although the amount i paid for my Mediator + Radeon 9200 i probably come up much higher, since i also have a x-surf and a rapid road as well.. all of those can be done on that one video card.
Those were the days my friend, ...
This is why I use my vintage gear to this very day. It's a fountain of youth, I say! ;)
Ive had a couple of cd drives on my amiga over the years, an external 4x scsi attatched to a squirrel scsi card, and a slim ide one connected to a fastata, nowerdays I havent bothered as I just pop the isos onto a cf card through pcmcia and mount the iso's using imagemount. Not quite the same, but saves a lot of space.
I hear that. Yeah, with these old computers everyone's process is the right way - for them. I don't use original mechanical hard drives that much (and I have the space for them) as I really don't miss that sound. But I do have the space for an external CD drive, and last week I built a SICK looking external DF2: Gotek that site perfectly on top of the CD drive. The Gotek's case came from an old original serial port external floppy drive. It's nuts! And I love it.
Great video! Can you use that Apple CD-ROM drive play Amiga CD32 or Amiga CDTV games?
Thanks, Dave. I assume I can't run CD32 games because my A3000 doesn't have the AGA chipset. I have read that it is possible to run CDTV CDs on this setup, but I haven't looked into that yet. It'll probably be another software/driver archeology project of some sort, I'm sure. ;) But it would be cool!
@@AmigaLove Yeah it definitely would be!
@@dave4shmups A friend of mine just keyed me into some software that will indeed allow the playing of CDTV and CD32 CD-ROMs on an Amiga. I should have that up and running in a couple of weeks and I'll give it a spin!
Amiga Love Awesome! Please make a CZcams video on it!
Do remember there is two formats depending on what amiga model you own eg. CDtv and Amiga CD32! Unfortunately don't ask me what plays what? Cause I don't know?
The whole thing is backwards compatible, pretty much. CDTV titles should work on a CD32.
The CDTV is functionally equivelant to an Amiga 500 with an A570 CD-ROM drive.
Will cd setup work with hippo and wb1.3?
That's a good question. It will work with Hippo no sweat. I'm not sure if AMICDROM works under 1.3 or not - would be cool to find out!
Would this method work with an Amiga 1200?
I believe so, yes - but you'd need an external SCSI port expansion of some sort to do what I did. Something that works like this, for example: bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=1176 I think the 1200 might have even had PCMCIA to SCSI card/adapters. Should be fun for you to research. That being said - there are probably IDE options too, I've just never looked into it. Good luck!
CD work with wb 1.3? Great video.. Amiga Loooooove...
I think it should with the right cd file system, and I bet AmiCDROM will (I'll try it soon). Some of the later ones were 2.0+, which have even more groovy support I hope to explore and talk about in a near-term update to this video
Thanks Eric, I never knew about GoovyPlayer. I have it installed on my A4000 now. I also use DOpus 4 but when I try to play mod files it comes out garbled. Any settings that needs to be done?
Hm... which version of 4 are you running? 4.11? Or something earlier? (And thanks for watching!)
@@AmigaLove I am using version 4.17pre20 which is based on 4.12
@@Storm8873 OK that might actually be a later version than I'm running. Out of curiosity, are you using an accelerator card?
@@AmigaLove Yes, a CyberStorm MKII 060
@@Storm8873 I can't guarantee it, but I wonder if that's related to what's going on. The two main issues Amigas seem to suffer from the most are RTG cards and anything above an 040 processor. Are you able to disable your 060 via software to see if that might be the culprit?
InterpolAntics front and centre! Just like in my CD case :)
Man - I was lucky enough to catch them live for Bright Lights in SF almost 20 years ago (holy shit!). It was a standing-room only affair and those dudes freaking rocked it. I thought they were going to be the next big thing - like enormous. They put out some great music but the early 2000s really was their moment in the sun. Those early albums are so good. Great road trip music, too.
@@AmigaLove I've seen them once or twice too - Wouldve been around 2010 though - to catch them in early 2000s would've been really special - they played a packed Shepherds Bush Empire when I saw them - but I also lived in Shepherds Bush - so only had to walk meters back to my flat ;)
What kind of monitor is that?
Hey Golan! The monitor is a Beetronics 15" with a metal frame, and I bought a different stand for it. Being metal, I've been extremely tempted to remove the monitor from its housing and paint the thing to match the A3000's case. Now if I can just work up the nerve to do it...! Normally I'm a CRT guy 100%, but with an HDMI capable graphics card I decided to go All In. And I'm glad I did. It fits this machine perfectly, IMO, and looks amazing in-person. Really hard to photograph the screen properly to convey how incredible it looks.
Here is a link to the monitor www.beetronics.com/15-inch-monitor-flush-4-3
@@AmigaLove I'm conflicted. It does look amazing but the price is pretty steep. Thanks for the info.
@@gklinger It's true - it was quite a splurge. But, I knew this monitor would be married to this machine for years, so from that perspective I decided it was worth it. But I hear ya
I am counting 4 DeLoreans. Am I missing any? Thanks for sharing!
Hah! Well, there might be more but not in the video. Good eye. =) Thanks for watching!
Worth noting the 3 on top of the A3000, from left to right, are BttF1, BttF2 and BttF3 models. Left has normal wheels. Middle has wheels parallel to the ground (for flying). Right has large white sidewalls and bright red hubcaps. :)
@@AmigaLove I picked up on that. I am quite, DeLorean astute as I think it is the greatest car ever built. Hugely biased opinion. It was just nice to see them, unabashedly, front and center.
@@CubicleNate That's awesome. I'll have to drop some of the others I've got into future vids. Thanks for watching, Nate! Really appreciate the comments, too.
At that time CD ROM was 700+ floppies
It was mind bendingly gigantic, yeah. And that CD drive in the video cost over $500 retail in 1994 (which was considered middle-tier, and a good deal). Amazing, right?
But what it didn't have was any ability to rewrite, which remained a HUGE advantage of the floppy format, even into early 90's CD gaming.
There weren't all that many games that could use 700+ floppies worth of data. The games that perhaps made best use of the format were the likes of point and click adventures, particuarly ones with spoken voices.
Combine it with the gargantuan price and it's not hard to see why it didn't really catch on.
@@TheTurnipKing cd-rw existed, burners were just expensive until 199x but later
@@RasVoja cd-rw wasn't really terribly useful for the same kinds of things as floppy discs. IIRC you couldn't really arbitrarily rewrite things, certainly not for a reasonable cost in the years before Commodore went into liquidation.
@@TheTurnipKing ok, optical media is not as flexible as floppies. Too bad hd floppies were just on a4000, 1.76mb Amiga hd format was really nice
"The Amiga 3000 and all of its older siblings are fully SCSI-capable out of the box." -- Uhhh, no. The A2000 does not have a SCSI controller stock, but rather as an option. The packages that shipped with an A2090/A2091 SCSI controller cards were the A2000HD and A2500 SKUs. The A1000 and A500 never shipped with a SCSI controller in any SKU, and you had to buy a SCSI controller separately.
You're right. I could have worded that much better. The earlier machines were "scsi-ready" in general since OS 1.3, and honestly I typically will use gvp.scsi device. But yes - the A3000 was the only one with the SCSI port right on the back. My other machines use cards with external SCSI ports. Thanks for your clarifying comment, and thanks for watching!
A3000T and A4000T also came SCSI ready :D
@@a4000t Hah! True. When you put it like that, I have a SCSI expansion on my CDTV, too! But... it has a CD drive, so ... ;)
@@a4000t Yes but neither of those are "older siblings" to the A3000.
In the UK I never saw an A2000 without SCSI, and I saw quite a few.
Wishing I had never sold my CDTV :(
Aww, well, a full Amiga computer + CD-ROM drive will likely bring you a lot more joy (and save a ton o' cash, too).
Wishing I'd bought that Amiga 500 I drooled all over in the shop as a kid - or that other one I scoffed at in another shop in the early 2000s...
Get a CD32 with a TF330