Jason vs. Burgerson (TSM vs TL | NA LCS 2020 Summer Playoff: Match 11)
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- Meteos and Sneaky watch NA LCS's 2020 Summer playoff. Featuring TSM and TL. Winner goes to NA LCS 2020 finals, while the loser gets NA's 3rd seed placement at Worlds 2020.
Footage from: September 5, 2020
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[0:00] Game 1: Pick and Bans
[4:05] Game 1
[17:46] Game 1: Post-Game Thoughts
[20:59] Game 2: Pick and Bans
[22:18] Game 2
[31:13] Game 2: Post-Game Thoughts
[33:32] Game 3: Pick and Bans
[35:47] Game 3
[44:38] Game 3: Post-Game Thoughts
[48:04] Game 4: Pick and Bans
[49:44] Game 4
[1:09:56] Game 4: Post-Game Thoughts
[1:12:25] Game 5: Pick and Bans
[1:13:44] Game 5
[1:27:38] Post-Series Thoughts
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#LCS2020 #SummerPlayoffs #CoStream - Hry
Meteos : "words of wisdom"
Sneaky : "yeah"
He's evolved from "same"
Same
Jensen played Zilean to show that this champ can ACTUALLY be balanced
ehh team comps matter where as i think bjergs is better tsm often draft characters in top that all in with it so they have multiple good targets to rez where as g4 who is zilean ressurecting late game that matters? if ashe gets popped there team folds and cant contest her rez anyways generally
@@dillonoickle5841 dude, pls do not ruin the meme xd
@@celilgok7210 the meme is trash it's ok :=)
@@clawwer4404 yeah, well, you know, that's, just, like, your opinion, man.
@@celilgok7210 Oh, well actually no.. I just copy and pasted another comment I don't agree with !! This is not my opinion!
I'm actually serious!
LMFAO. Meteos with that zilean analogy " when the champs balanced by how boring he is that noone actually wants to play him, when you want to trade all fun for a win. Its equivalent to selling your soul" So true though lmfao
Jensen needs a refund on his soul then lol
That is just a salty ex-elite player talking. Everyone plays for wins, banning is there to stop OP champs. Zilean is only OP in Bjerg's hands.
Garrett Gomes meteos literally said in another co cast that he is always willing to play champs that are boring like sej to get a win 🤔🤔
@@Someothername2134 he is just joking
Zilean is pretty fun tho?
Son: Daddy, can we have Bjergsen's Zilean?
Dad: Son, we have Bjergsen's Zilean at home.
Bjergsen's Zilean at home: Jensen's Zilean
Son: T-T
KeK
At least Jensen can make it work internationally.
@@Darkstormsun9865 u mean c9 make it work internationally? bc i remember watching jenson walking into nautilus hook last worlds lol
"Son, we have Bjergsen's Zilean at home"
*cuts to Jensen's Zilean taking 15 Syndra balls to the face with R up and not using it*
well whos winrate is higher. Check the facts before you speak
Between this, LS, and Dom, I don’t even need casters
Yooo this is so true
Just don't invite Thorin and we Gucci
@@EchoesOfTheWeary Thorin's a cry baby.
>dom
lmao ew
lmao so true
FINALLY, I WAS CHECKING YOUR CHANNEL EVERY DAY FOR THIS
Great Value Zilean can never beat Bjergerking Zilean
I believe it was beaten once in a crucial match but i dont remember when
Burgerking*
@@riesl406 Last year I think
@@fightclub571 Last time Bjergsen played Zilean vs Jensen (before this series,) he ended up 0-2-1 with 300 cs while Jensen played Orianna and ended the game with a 5-0-3 score and 381 cs.
@@alexandremarchand8815 Cool story bro , its a 5v5 game. preview.redd.it/dfwa16q65wl21.png?width=747&format=png&auto=webp&s=d9cfeb9789088411e1000840320f5ff368b98bbe . Bjerking better with facts.
Legit, this is the best content i've seen in years, thanks guys.
Editor for this video is spot on - brings up the relevant info when topic is brought up
i really enjoy watching you guys' commentary on these game
Sneaky I really like this videos. I dont play league but I like the pro level gameplay. And as I dont understand much I like that you put the explanations/references when you explain things. I'll post this on the last vid just in case. You are one of the only lol streamers I watch. Keep it up.
when sneaky and meteos retire, they need to do this for ever, this is so funny
Tbqh sneaky should retire. He has already got some international success and taught doublelift you can take a backseat sometimes and let priority lanes carry (mid and top).
Don't get me wrong, I think he has the potential of winning a split again if organized into a flyquest-like team but at this point not sure it's worth it. He doesn't seem like the type of person who needs bragging rights this late in the game, and he already won with old c9.
It's Meteos' pronunciations of "Bjergson" for me
Sneaky's editor really popping off
Sneaky: "my strange addiction, I'm addicted to muramana and cull"
This series really was more like Doublelift vs Tactical. Mid was very even, Jensen popped off on TF but failed his ult and some plays on Zilean, Bjergsen had a great Zilean game. but failed on Sylas.
DL really deserves more credit. Theres a reason hes won every summer lcs final since 2015
@Crist Smith ??????
bjergs syndra was absolutely nutty this series though
I'd say it was mostly jungle diff. Game 2 and 3 aside, but TSM just didn't play the game, they let TF scare them from doing any play. Jensen was pretty good at not being punished though.
be honest bjerg out classed jensen
can't wait for the TSM vs FQ video next week
name a more iconic comedic duo
i would pay a very small amount of money to see you two do these commentaries
small loan of a million dollars?
That Baron push in Game 5 where they could have ended TSM didn't want to risk giving TL an outplay scenario where they manage to somehow pull a win out of their ass because TSM's healthbars were so low. If they just handshook a fight at Nexus and TL somehow manages to stall TSM out and get respawns while the fight keeps going, TSM risks throwing the entire game based on spawn timers and TL also would have been able to grab Soul.
Backing off and setting up for another push guarantees the win and gives TL no outplay scenario. It denies them the potential to make a heroic comeback by regaining momentum with Cloud Soul into Elder into turn-around victory for TL. TSM just played it safe for the guaranteed win, I respect them for that.
TRUEE. Safe play > risky faster end
Except it doesn't guarantee the win. You don't always get a second chance to end games.
So the reason BrokenBlade took turret agro when knock up is due to the fact that the game is infact three dimensional. The turret agro radius is a sphere not just a circle so if we imagine that BrokenBlade is standing on a tangent line of that sphere going in the z (vertical) axis he would not be clipping the sphere at ground level but when knocked high enough up with a large enough model following the line he would eventually hit the point where the tangent line touches the radius of the sphere, thus taking the tower shot.
That damage chart for game 1 holy shit lmao! 7k Braum, 5.3k Leona, 4.8k Lee Sin... Hit some champions dude
keep up the good content snooky
9:58 how tf did that spear hit lmao
These are by far the best way to watch LCS
True, I don't watch live nor from random highlight channel anymore. This is just better
@@RickyMuzakki 100%
The way these two play off each other is perfect, definitely worth watching for lots of snapple facts and silly humour. If one of them could shout cast the fights, id honestly demand they replace pro casters
48:45 aged like milk left outside on a summer day
Had no idea Sneaky was a skeksis, "Ooohhhh". He's doing his best Chamberlin impression.
I feel weird when I see senna's recommended has Black Cleaver in the list instead of any in play offs. Even as a support, I still don't know what I should go, if it should be like an adc, or all team helping items like Black Cleaver, a general slow, like iceborn gauntlets, or like some ap items. Or would I just go full dmg or full armor pen items.
Is graves really a late game scaling jungler though? I was always told he was a early/mid game god and then falls off hard in late game.
guys i hope jensen really learns from this, the last time he talked shit against another midlaner he got clapped hard af at worlds
"Can't wait to clap F̶a̶k̶e̶r̶ Bjergsen lul"
@jonathan decelles this comment isnt even about bjergsen. U salty ass
Gabriel LMAOO TRUUUUE
jonathan decelles stfu Jensen we know it’s you
we need more players trash-talking it makes the matches fun. But people take it too seriously like retards
The "bug" with the tower hitting someone who is airborne probably means the distance check is 3d and starts from some height up the tower. The collision/distance check is actually a sphere when implemented this way.
Wait. Bjerg been popping off as lucian adc last 10 game.
There's two players in TSM that properly use Lucian in competitive which are BrokenBlade and Doublelift. Bjergsen it's better using assassins and magicians
@@Gonnereccon i mean there is 3, it is just more useful for bjerg to be on a control mage / assassin. Bjerg utilizes Lucian extremely well.
Gonne Striker Bjerg has actually been hard practicing Lucian mid for a while, we just didn’t get to see it because it’s been almost permabanned against the team for being such a strong flex pick.
@@blainesider5217 Well I've seen some streams where he plays it and even though he does play it good compared to normal players, we are talking good enough for competitive games. I mean you can't compare his Lucian to his Zilean or to his Syndra, it's just a lot of difference on the KDA and utility.
@@Thefourthdimensional Yeah, practice makes perfect but he still has a long way to go before actually doing good in competitive using that. In the mean time he will continue to use Syndra, LB, Zilean, Azir, and other similar champs
I´ve alredy saw this but damn it's such a good duo
crow book = "I’m the King of the Castle" by Susan Hill?
Love this cont
how are they supposed to end there in game 5 what
jhin is respawning and bjerg is oom
I hope you guys do this for worlds, it would probably be better than the casters
yoo can we get a video or something about the new kaisa build path ?
Kaisa 2020 hot build: Essence Reaver > Nashor Tooth > Rageblade (triple evolve, 40% CDR). Between ER and Nashor bank 1100gold for Serrated Dirk you can upgrade it later to ekther Sanguine (sustain)/Dusk (burst)/Edge (R in protection)
You know for how uhh “confident” Jensen is I think he would be a lot better xD
Jensen is good though. Bjerg is just better
fusionxtras yeah but I’m talking more about personality cuz bjerg never talks crap or is cocky but Jensen is the opposite and is worse then bjerg that’s what I mean
"Listen like Bjergsen is so overrated and I will prove it." Bjergsen "Yeah Jensen is really good A tier mid laner best competition in NA"
@@Jay-st8jf Jensen still has the euw ego. Bjerg lost it years ago
@@fusionxtras bjerg wasn't even EUW, he was EUNE
Lol I saw meteos (Annie mid) get creamed by Bjerg’s on Lucian.
if that was the game with c2 meteos, i don't think that's the actual meteos (but i might be wrong)
maybe turrer aggro is calculated from the crystal on the turret in three dimensions. so standing on the ground renekton was outside, but being knocked up brought him closer to the crystal by height, moving him into range. feels a bit overly complicated to purposefully code it like that, but it also makes sense for continuity
Somebody else commented this but Ornn brittle proc actually displaces people slightly
Maybe Impact brittle procc'd BB into the tower?
best casters!!
I had to watch this just to see my Shen jungle further validated. He may be my best jungle champ.
Even G2 Jankos inspired by TSM and picked Shen in finals get a win, forcing FNC to ban him G2 G3
Sneaky: "Bjersen's adcs are really bad he'll never play them in competitive"
Bjergsen's Corki: *enters the chat* "am i a joke to you?"
Alien Brownies well not necessarily I mean sure there’s some builds with AP items (e.g occasional voidstaff) in it but mostly atleast from what I’ve seen it’s mainly the boots that are bought but true corki isn’t reliant on autos to win generally speaking but Corki is still technically an adc that bjergsen plays mid and plays well. I get your point though
Alien Brownies Ik I was too although I’d kinda forgotten bout the muramana part
Alien Brownies lol fair enough I still count it as an adc despite play style but I feel u
Lol, why are we even comparing jensen to bjergsen?
He has been in bjergsen's shadow, forever as he always will!
@ he really wasn't
He only perfomed Worlds expect 2019. That's it
lol
111111 1111111 did you see how he played this split? He stood no chance against Tsm he had a perfect game against C9!
@ tf you smoking my guy
TBH I hate how much pros and ex-pros troll Broxah, he's a nice guy who isn't toxic af and people treat him like garbage.
Did we watch the same games? I'm not super into the community, but Broxah did extremely poorly in every game here.
Tactical is otp Ashe?
This title is so stupid it’s brilliant. Sneaky is just the memegod of Twitch/League.
Broxah is going to get massively out-jungled come worlds. He's very clearly the weakest link their team. Literally every after game report, Broxah has like the worst damage to champion performance.
Any other jungler from a major region who gets fed 5 early kills on a graves is going to take over the game by themself. Broxah did nothing with his lead.
IF they make it out of gauntlet lmfao
he doesn't even get that lead by himself he literally gets fed those
@@kaniza1465 and what can you do as Graves on that case?
44:19 Sneaky literally sounds like the beginning of "Get Low" by Lil Jon xDDDDD
Lol. Too good.
i laughed so much thank you for this comment
does anybody know where he got those damage numbers with items?
By literally going into the Practice Tool and testing it
why Burgerson? I really didn't get that
30:08 he should've called it the "rod of girth"
Broxah is underperforming compared to the the shen god spica, and why did he go lethality and not deaths dance on graves game 5
He was tilted into next week by that point
WHERE IS TSM VS FLY I NEED IT
UP NOW
Zilean is balanced around that hes auto atack animation does not allow too last hit with him
The 'one with the crows' is probably Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds from 1963.
Lit
I think its not that bjerg can't play Lucian its that he can be flexed in 3 roles top mid and bot and u dont want bb or doublelift on Lucian
Bjerg has practiced Lucian in soloQ and got stronger with it
Sneaky's outfit is dope!
'Bug Catcher Sneaky does it again' 🤣🤣
Bjergsen shoulda held the TF ult and used it to get back to lane
The Birds is the movie i belive you were trying to think of
“Deathcrown, Lich Boner, Void... cock”
Thank you for being Sneaky, Sneaky
Lichbone, Void Shaft, RapidFire Cock, ROD of ages, they all work wtf
DL, in my opinion was clearly player of the series. Bjerg literally inted game 4 and almost them the series. DL and Spica carried games 4 and 5.
I don't think they had enough minions to end in game 5 at 34 min
Yeah they don't want to risk reverse sweep thresh+GP ult is dangerous, better play it safe and guaranteed win
Giving up a top shen for solo and picking graves was kinda bad. Rather have shen over graves
I dont think the broken blade tower shot was a bug. I think the tower's range is a sphere centered on the turret's head, not a circle centered at its feet. When he got knocked up, he moved into the sphere and as he fell, moved back out of it.
Im like 90% sure league has no vertical component.
Which is why trist jump can't go over traps and veigar walls
If you go into a practice tool game you can see the turrets ranges exactly as they are and im pretty sure the Knock up pushed the base of BBs hitbox into the edge of the circle
@@alextrollip7707 cait headshot targets the turret's head, not its feet. Also, that's just a matter of coding. You can check trist's x/y coords against a trap and, if they match within some error, snare her. It all depends on how the turret range is programmed. I also think league HAS to have a z component to handle moving up and down terrain as well as knockups. Idk how ppl could get stuck floating if it wasn't a bug in their z position
@@Jay-st8jf yes, that circle could be the intersection of the sphere with the ground plane of the rift
@@GHawk134 iirc, like most isometric games, all the mechanics of league are 2d, and only the graphics and animations use the 3rd plane (like, cait headshot only animates the shot hitting the head because it's a "can't miss" auto attack that you can "target" anywhere in the animation itself, but your champ can't get knocked up over a skillshot or ground effect ability, jumps don't go over ground effects or skillshots etc., so all the actual hitboxes are 2d geometry on a 2d plane, and things like jumps and 3rd-axis animations don't actually move the player hitbox (even if the model moves up in the 3rd axis, you can see using the camera tool that a trist getting hit by something mid-jump doesn't actually get hit by the ability, it hits "under" wherever she is mid-jump)
51:10 Lilia cosplay confirmed?
Lucian ban bc with Bjerg playing it in soloqueue, it’s a triple flex for TSM
1:18:07 I didn't notice this graves flash until now xd
I think its more fun to watch twitch rivals because of the volatility of the games. The higher up the skill latter you climb in this game the more it becomes about expectation and mistakes made aren't as fun. It becomes smothering. In Twitch rivals the variation of player levels means you cant play optimally, you have to innovate and find your own comfort and strategy.
TL's bot lane underperformed hard in game 4
Why is the quality so bad on these? Hard to watch
Say TSM does win worlds how much money do you think it would cost DoubleLift to sign DoubleInt on his skin
Bjerg won the 1v1 tournament with Lucian
This isnt supposed to be an insult but I never realized how autistic meteos actually is until I watched this. Ive never actually heard him talk about anything. I respect sneaky's patience.
7:24 “Theres ice in a cold brew, dumbass” 😂😂😂
also @sneaky bjerg has played ADC's mid, im pretty sure hes over 50%, so better than any champ you every played at a pro level XD
This is the worst and best example of how picks that have no reason to work can work when people arent prepared for them.
TL literally ran this series down because they didnt think about shen ult timers
Bjergs Lucian isn’t that bad lmao. And if we use win rate logic then why can’t pros play shit in comp they have a positive wr on
So funny that u two are talking crap about tsm and i still dont know why people hating on tsm bjer is playing his best to carry his team but people still hate him for no reason....
listen i know, I KNOW they were memeing the mvp gold system, but riot is just begging for bad ideas, please dont give them more ☣☣☣
Spica played so good for TSM. He led them to worlds. Meanwhile, C9 no Sneaky LUL
I have seen a lot of people on doublelift related things in comments saying fuck Jensen why is that?
Plz sneaky-chan go back to c9 main roster next year
I'd honestly rather the old c9 get together just for shits and giggles for a season. That roster had so much fun while being extremely competitive.
c9 benching Sneaky and telling him he has to earn BACK his starting position to fucking ZVEN rather than saying he still has starting position but if zven outperforms in scrims he loses it, because people weren't wanting him on the team was a scummy af move.
I wouldn't be surprised if Sneaky denied c9 even if they came and asked him tbh.
@@Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken Sneaky becomes C9 part owner, but they announced they will keep the 2020 roster for next year
@@RickyMuzakki, that literally has nothing to do with what I said.
Double bruiser doesn't seem to ever work. Pls stop playing it!
"Jason"
Petition to make Sneaky a LCS caster
Anyone can be a LCS caster tbh, just yell every teamfight and try to praise everything the favorite team of the season does in every single game.
10:40 (ish) overRespecting play is usually the sign of someone who's booksmart. No experience, all studies. underRespecting play is the sign of someone who lacks awareness, which often undermines their experience.
0:10 "which makes Shense" hahah see what I dis there? I'm a comedy king... A true comedian
Who’s this subbed out lcs player talking with sneaky
Isn't Sneaky got benched too LUL
Looking at the 4th game, Senna's such a cool character Kappa
Sneaky afraid Bjergsens stats on adc champs are better than his...
Jason vs burgerson 😂😂😂😂
25:10 KEKW
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My dislikes on almost all youtube videos and products comes from advertising cancer in the middle of my videos!
1:09:00 Jensen pulls a Jensen