Bokken vs. Longsword

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  • čas přidán 5. 07. 2007
  • one of the cross over sparrings duing our 13 th sparrings meeting
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  • @zildiun2327
    @zildiun2327 Před 3 lety +950

    Me and my best friend in 3rd grade when we find two rulers:

    • @4shredder39
      @4shredder39 Před 3 lety +3

      nah,we did it in 2nd grade

    • @toyue4201
      @toyue4201 Před 3 lety +9

      And then the ruler broke...

    • @humanyter7214
      @humanyter7214 Před 3 lety +2

      We use to do this in everygrade

    • @zildiun2327
      @zildiun2327 Před 3 lety +8

      @@humanyter7214
      The real highlight of everyone’s school experience was when you graduated from rulers to yard sticks.

    • @humanyter7214
      @humanyter7214 Před 3 lety +1

      @@zildiun2327 lol

  • @Sheepyhead
    @Sheepyhead Před 9 lety +2264

    Did all y'all complainers in the comments notice how the two martial artists respected each other and had a good time sparring instead of whining about which weapon is objectively best?

    • @obersaber
      @obersaber Před 5 lety +15

      No safety equipment for your opponent does not show respect.

    • @forestcreature7325
      @forestcreature7325 Před 5 lety +51

      Except that Kendo armour wouldnt really help that much since its designed for protecting areas where one has to strike to gain a point in an actual match, besides trusting ur opponent notto break ur fingers or ribs is a pretty huge way of showing respect.

    • @tiemekoenders2853
      @tiemekoenders2853 Před 5 lety +56

      who wins has more to do with the skills of the individual and less with the weapon they're using

    • @-westman3619
      @-westman3619 Před 5 lety +6

      Thank you for your positive comment.

    • @kirkcobain093
      @kirkcobain093 Před 5 lety +3

      @@tiemekoenders2853 well in this scenario yes but in a real life battle between a Knight and a samurai I think weapon choice does count for something

  • @BrandydocMeriabuck
    @BrandydocMeriabuck Před 3 lety +1367

    1:48 when you remember you're using a *long* sword

  • @Ivytheherbert
    @Ivytheherbert Před 3 lety +408

    1:52 The rare double-knockout, otherwise known as "free stuff" to observers when this happened in a real duel.

    • @TaoistSwordsman
      @TaoistSwordsman Před 3 lety +13

      One of thems murdered, the other one got his elbow cut up some. And maybe his thigh poked into depending on some variables

    • @Mateus-zs3it
      @Mateus-zs3it Před 3 lety +1

      yeah, bokken guy was faster in beheading the dude

    • @BasedApricot
      @BasedApricot Před 3 lety +29

      @@TaoistSwordsman Long sword guy with carotid artery is certainly going to die
      Bokken guy with a cut at around L4 L5 level would likely open up the common iliac artery and descending aorta. Plus the momentum to the upper arm which could damage axillary artery and brachial artery would still be fatal but would last a bit longer than his enemy.
      In the field they would both die without a doubt. Zero chance of surviving unless they are duelling in the operating room.

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 Před 3 lety +1

      @@BasedApricot exactly haha

    • @boxofmadness2511
      @boxofmadness2511 Před 2 lety +3

      i love this coment, and, as a HEMA practitioner, doubles arent that rare, mainly becouse if you are definitely getting hit, hitting back is a good way to avoid your adversary making points (doubles dont count basically you are taught to have absolute control of your enemies sword, you have to be able to hit while also making imposible to be hit, tho i guess thats a bit obvious)

  • @carbon0HUN
    @carbon0HUN Před 7 lety +429

    the amount of fucking sword experts under these videos never cease to amaze me lol

    • @evgenybelilovskiy1205
      @evgenybelilovskiy1205 Před 3 lety +36

      To be fair, half the people here stumble on this video by accident, while the other half is part of the HEMA community so they know more than most.

    • @alexanderbohm607
      @alexanderbohm607 Před 3 lety +1

      im here on youtube rec.....☕

    • @Aaryan.S
      @Aaryan.S Před 3 lety +4

      @@evgenybelilovskiy1205 and kendo too. Like me.

    • @Michael-ll6px
      @Michael-ll6px Před 3 lety +1

      While we were enjoying this display of sportsmanship and a demo into a curiosity I’m sure many of us have had at one point, the rest were studying the blade.

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Michael-ll6px hahaha nice one

  • @RowanJColeman
    @RowanJColeman Před 9 lety +2429

    Despite the fanboys in the comments this spar seems pretty equal. These types of videos should really be labelled, "Man with Bokken vs. Man with Longsword". If you swapped out either one with a different fighter the result could be vastly different. Maybe a different guy with a Bokken would be faster and land twice as more hits or maybe a different Longsword guy would wipe out this Bokken guy. It's about the fighter not the style. There are simply too many factors to conclusively say "This style will always win over another style"

    • @MrManpreetsinghK
      @MrManpreetsinghK Před 9 lety +75

      I couldn't have agreed more. Each and every sword, be it Japanese, Chinese, Roman, Greek, Indo-persian, Caucasian, European, turkic, of the Renaissance, etc. has it's negatives and positives, what matters quite a lot is the mind of the swordsman. Techniques, styles, sword types, and a select few other factors that some of these armchair warriors talk about, do not play a big role as compared to the mind of a human. Everything one may learn has to be applied to certain situations and advantages.

    • @DannyOMoore
      @DannyOMoore Před 9 lety +99

      it'd be a safe bet to say; it's the swordsman that wins not the sword.

    • @willnonya9438
      @willnonya9438 Před 9 lety +35

      I completely agree. Also at about 1:22 or so the Long sword man pulls what would of been a blow to the head on his opponent, about 4-6 seconds latter the boken guy does the same thing. I just love this video because it shows both of these guys being sportsmen and enjoying the competition.

    • @DOT107
      @DOT107 Před 9 lety +1

      though that's why there is different style's to counter the other one :/

    • @AlwaysReason
      @AlwaysReason Před 9 lety +24

      I wouldn't say style, but swords do matter. The thrust at 1:48, although ultimately defendable, shows just how much of an advantage in range the longsword has. Add to that no handguard on the bokken and I would be sliding down that blade for his hands and forarms, while staying out of reach all day. They had 3 or 4 double-kills, which is what the guy with the shorter blade almost has to expose himself to, in order to get close enough to hit.
      Of course, it is not the sword that wins the fight, but these factors just make longsword more forgiving in a one-on-one like this one.

  • @oscarmike7277
    @oscarmike7277 Před 4 lety +156

    Both look like they know what they are doing. Holding back on the last half a second to prevent injury.

    • @johnjay9767
      @johnjay9767 Před 3 lety +4

      What I appreciate the most is how their opponent respects the strike. More often than not in sparring one person will pull their strike, showing that they could have hit them but did not. My pet peeve is when my sparring partner ignores this courtesy completely and whacks me as I reset for a new round. (Hand to hand)

  • @Zero94716
    @Zero94716 Před 6 lety +1654

    For honor.

  • @feelz_4_dayz885
    @feelz_4_dayz885 Před 9 lety +726

    no helmets. no helmets. NO FUCKING HELMETS

    • @bmxguy418
      @bmxguy418 Před 8 lety +57

      Matei Tudor no need. no need. NO FUCKING NEED

    • @naomiwashinton8102
      @naomiwashinton8102 Před 8 lety +114

      +Trin Panapan Helmets are for people who want to do it more than once.

    • @bmxguy418
      @bmxguy418 Před 8 lety +10

      ***** Yeah, you'd rather have them fighting with real katana? This belongs on youtube, not hiddenlol

    • @SickHarbinger
      @SickHarbinger Před 8 lety +3

      +Dwight Schrute Yeah, right... Bokken practice is part of a Martial Art. Learning the form is one of the essential parts of Kendo and Kendo is one of the most respected Sports in Japan and Korea. Handling a Bokken basically equals handling a Katana, which is why higher ranked kendoka often use Katanas for public demonstrations.

    • @davidmcaliley3495
      @davidmcaliley3495 Před 8 lety +15

      +Matei Tudor I've been hit in the head with a red oak bokken. It hurt, left a scar, and I learned a valuable lesson.
      Most of the time, if people are serious about the art, and they have a partner who is also serious, they can tell when a blow is about to go wrong, and they pull back. Kinda like at the end of this video, the guy with the bokken could have delivered a bad blow to the head when the buzzer sounded. But he pulled back.
      The guy I was sparring with didn't have quite his reflexes. Neither did I.
      Hence the scar and the lesson.
      If you don't want to get hurt, play chess. If you don't trust your partner not to hit you badly, don't spar with them.
      Problem solved.

  • @NoahWeisbrod
    @NoahWeisbrod Před 9 lety +1428

    Why does this video have so many dislikes? It's just a fencing bout between two martial artists. It's not making any idiotic claims about the weapons.
    I thought it was pretty fun to watch.

    • @DeadXManXsXStare
      @DeadXManXsXStare Před 8 lety +38

      +Noah Weisbrod It's because the guy with the longsword is trash

    •  Před 8 lety +40

      +Noah Weisbrod The thing is that the guy with LS does not fight by all known "Fechtbuch" art. He just swings it all around playing braveheart stuff. If we want to make such competition let's have two swordmasters from different cultures (or at least fighting according different cultures rules) duel. I do not see "ox" or "plought" stance here, no basic hits, nothing. That's why I geve it dislike.

    • @NoahWeisbrod
      @NoahWeisbrod Před 8 lety

      +Urban Kępa Okay, he does stay somewhere between poste breve and longa most of the time.

    • @breaden4381
      @breaden4381 Před 8 lety +3

      +Noah Weisbrod They have excellent control with their weapons.

    • @a.ham.9856
      @a.ham.9856 Před 8 lety +6

      +Noah Weisbrod It's amusing but the guy with the bokken is missing so many openings that it's distracting. Against a better fencer, the guy with the longsword would have lost each and every time he starting waving it about like he's in a pirate movie. At the least, the bokken could have stopped into his wrists on virtually every 'attack' the longsword guy made.

  • @leich1m
    @leich1m Před 4 lety +265

    Nice to see two different styles testing each others skills. IMHO, considering the use of training weapons and lacking protection it was a fairly even duel.
    I train with bokken without protection too. The objective is not to actually hit your opponent but to have enough control to end the strike just short of the intented target.
    I think the comments referring to videogames are quite amusing. Every once in a while we get a gamer in the dojo. They usually don't last very long after they find out that a two hour training session is hard work.. 😂

    • @ashleyoasis7948
      @ashleyoasis7948 Před 2 lety +3

      That’s why I love sword better than guns although guns come in different sizes range accuracy and bullets unlike swords there is just not that cultural clash of them clashing together to make a new launguage to see which one is truly better

    • @josejoaquinbenitez6485
      @josejoaquinbenitez6485 Před 2 lety +3

      Wasn't he supposed to have a tsuka in his bokken to protect his hands?

    • @heartsofgoldd7388
      @heartsofgoldd7388 Před 2 lety +7

      Michiel M.
      I’m quite a rare person, I’m a gamer and a weeb and yet I’m still a brown belt, I never gave up, (most of my friends who were gamers gave up) and now I’m soon going to be learning to use a bokken.
      Moral of the story: even if your a gamer, you can still be a martial artist.

    • @heartsofgoldd7388
      @heartsofgoldd7388 Před 2 lety +1

      @@josejoaquinbenitez6485 yea he should have because if you use a real sword, then not using one will lead to failure, because real Japanese sword are the sharpest swords ever

    • @viktordl3508
      @viktordl3508 Před 2 lety +4

      @@heartsofgoldd7388 Not really, the technique used is what makes it the sharpest in practice, fumikomi, using the body instead of the arms and all, but in design there are a lot better weapons to actually cut, the longsword would be an example, not for design, but instead quality in makeshift, if I'm talking about the design then the cimitar.
      Don't get me wrong, I'm a Jendo apprentice and I think the katana is a wonderful cutting weapon and I love it, but it ain't the best, I might put this as an opinion, because this is actually subjective
      Also, a friendly bow to a fellow martial artist gamer weeb whatever non quitter

  • @alphanox-7873
    @alphanox-7873 Před 4 lety +59

    I love how they fence and no matter how it goes, they honor and respect each other. I don’t know if I’m right or it’s just me, but the kendo practitioner seems more experienced, with how he doesn’t fall for the fake attacks and taunts the other attempts. However, the guy with the longsword adapted quickly, which made it pretty equal, even if either had more experience by their techniques. A lot of people will look at this video as a friendly and honorable sparring session, but others will try to make the katana or longsword seem superior and degrade the skill of the opposite side of the argument. If there’s something I learned all this time being a sword fan and have practiced at least once kendo and a bit of longsword, is that no sword is better than the other, but the techniques and the wielded are who truly make even the most useless piece of junk work the best.

  • @elmohead
    @elmohead Před 7 lety +3347

    Katana users will lose 100% of the time in a real fight because they cannot unscrew their pommel and end their opponents rightly.

    • @elmohead
      @elmohead Před 7 lety +101

      Yama Yami look up "end him rightly" meme.

    • @haochaotsiminh6193
      @haochaotsiminh6193 Před 7 lety +18

      How will you make some time if you're already at a disadvantage using a naturally inferior weapon? There's nothing more simple to understand than that.

    • @jorhay1
      @jorhay1 Před 7 lety +9

      lol correct!

    • @haochaotsiminh6193
      @haochaotsiminh6193 Před 7 lety +72

      I admit it is a formidable weapon, but it is nothing when faced with a true warrior with the spirit of the great dragon by his side and a katana to cut down his enemy!

    • @yimello6267
      @yimello6267 Před 7 lety +4

      elmohead why is this a meme lmao

  • @chriswedemann8599
    @chriswedemann8599 Před 7 lety +545

    I like this fight. considerable skill on both sides, and both fight with respect towards their opponent.

    • @FaithfulSwordsman1
      @FaithfulSwordsman1 Před 7 lety +12

      Yes, all to often one of the fighters is much more experienced, or skilled. And respect is also important.

    • @haochaotsiminh6193
      @haochaotsiminh6193 Před 7 lety +3

      Respect is important
      jk

    • @chriswedemann8599
      @chriswedemann8599 Před 7 lety +8

      Hao Chao Tsi Minh Those who live without respect die without honor.

    • @haochaotsiminh6193
      @haochaotsiminh6193 Před 7 lety +5

      Aye, a man without respect is a man without honor
      Hail respectmanship!

    • @brandonactr
      @brandonactr Před 7 lety +4

      They are obviously good friends, look at the bromance nudge at the end.

  • @lukitohaland
    @lukitohaland Před 5 lety +55

    0:39 real use of japanese sword technique, but there's no finishing move afterwards

  • @gazzore7339
    @gazzore7339 Před 5 lety +354

    Hahahahaha oh the comments section! Everyone is an expert hahahahaha

    • @farisomar9974
      @farisomar9974 Před 5 lety +15

      Agree. Keyboard warrior everywhere.

    • @Paracelsus00
      @Paracelsus00 Před 5 lety +6

      You dont have to be expert to say that medieval knight would easy win against Samurai just because katana cannot pierce his armor yikes

    • @farisomar9974
      @farisomar9974 Před 5 lety +12

      @@Paracelsus00 lol. Which idiot try to pierce through a plate armor with a sword?
      Western sword style and easter sword style are very different.
      U dont use katana with western style.

    • @Agilku117
      @Agilku117 Před 5 lety +3

      Gotta love the comment section.

    • @antiplusch9381
      @antiplusch9381 Před 4 lety +10

      @@Paracelsus00 we got another expert here...

  • @elonmusk5302
    @elonmusk5302 Před 5 lety +57

    1:48
    Warden OP
    Orochi tries deflecting ... still dies

  • @SirConto
    @SirConto Před 3 lety +14

    You know they're crazy skilled when neither of them needs to be taken to the hospital after this.

  • @BLIXBE.Offical
    @BLIXBE.Offical Před 5 lety +60

    Me and my friends after the first time of playing For Honor

  • @andrewk.5575
    @andrewk.5575 Před 2 lety +33

    As someone from a Western fencing background, the kenjutsu guy in this video was the better swordsman. He did receive a few touches, but his form was rock solid the whole time and he didn't seem to concerned by anything the longsword guy threw at him. The sequence from 0:38 to 0:45 was particularly beautiful to watch.

    • @patrickfry1000
      @patrickfry1000 Před rokem +1

      Yes! As a practitioner I agree! He is very very good! Much better than the longswords man. It was not an even fight on skill level.

    • @falconiday6130
      @falconiday6130 Před rokem +1

      I agree. I would honestly love to see this kind of match between two people on a more even skill level. It was clear that the longsword fighter was super nervous and unsure of his tactics, while the katana fighter was absolutely focused and one with his weapon. Mad respect to both fighters for their performance, but it’s clear which one had more experience

  • @JohnHellscream
    @JohnHellscream Před 10 lety +31

    Each style has its own advantages. Its all about the fighter. I personally favor the longsword for its versatility, also for the culture it represents (im european). One of the best sword styles ever, created as a martial science by the german, italian, spanish masters etc. Yet, as a general idea, its an advantage for a longsword disciple to learn/practice degree of kendo, kenjutsu, and/or chinese/korean styles etc, just to have a wider point of view, helps building up versatility. I practiced kendo up to a professional level, and some iaido. LS suits me better, but i dont disregard other styles, no matter their point of origin. Also i think, at least in Europe, longsword discipline should expand more, its a cultural thing. We embrace the japanese martial arts, chinese, korean, thai etc, but what about our own?

    • @davefletch3063
      @davefletch3063 Před rokem +1

      Combining the two would be great. Kenjutsu is more refined and taken to a higher level then the western sword methods, most due to westerners not maintaining the practice. The resurrection of the skills will take a long time to make up the difference

  • @NERV0USMONKEYS
    @NERV0USMONKEYS Před 7 lety +603

    1:48... EASY!

    • @user-hi4oq9hg1q
      @user-hi4oq9hg1q Před 5 lety +6

      hahaha

    • @thethaifighter.2981
      @thethaifighter.2981 Před 5 lety +4

      Hahahahaha

    • @MrFiddleedee
      @MrFiddleedee Před 4 lety +26

      then 3 seconds later 1:51

    • @danielb270
      @danielb270 Před 4 lety +18

      @@MrFiddleedee 1:51 is a draw

    • @sorodragonfall8832
      @sorodragonfall8832 Před 4 lety +8

      @Jon Jones this depends on the rules, all of the "hits" your referencing had as much force as a love tap, and wouldn't have hurt even an unarmored foe. If they were playing first to poke the other dude lightly and do nothing, sure he won. But I believe they are playing, first to land an actual strike that they have to slow down to not hurt their friend.

  • @redpandemic1081
    @redpandemic1081 Před 3 lety +83

    One thing that I see regularly in "Katana vs Longsword" videos is that katana wielders (no matter if Aikido, Kendo or Iaido) seem to act more reserved. While the longsword wielder more often jumps around, tries to faint and break his opponents guard physically.
    I'm no expert whatsoever, yet I would say that I know my way with a katana. During my training the Sensei advised us to stay focused and calm. Like the surface of a lake during a windless night. But also to be ready to break loose like a wave that forces its way through the opponent.
    My point is, Kendo is pretty intense for your mind. I'd even say that many matches are decided by mental work in Kendo. Of course you need to be fit in shape and form, but it seems to me like HEMA focusses more on actual physical work than mental (may call it mindgames at this point as well.)
    I'd love to have some of you actual HEMA practicioners thought on this.

    • @dude4real9455
      @dude4real9455 Před 3 lety +18

      The mindset of the aikido person here is pretty ideal. Generally any movement creates attacking opportunities if caught before its completion. As you get a better understanding why and when to move or react, the less reason you have to move and flinch and feignt, most of the time. This is something that becomes really pronounced between two people fencing, where one is much more experienced/competent.
      And moving less, you have more time to react to any oportunities your opponent presents.
      Think about it this way. When you are not moving you are observing, the more confident you are in knowing when you Have to move and react, the more time you have to observe and wait for a good time to land a hit or create a good opportunity to seize the initiative.
      The person more reserved towards executing more commited actions, observing and judging from the right distance can see better where and when to strike, though it takes a pretty good fencer to stay in good distance, baiting the opponents strikes, without easily get hit in the process.
      In this ideal case the unfortunate one trying to move, feignt attack and observe at the same time, has more to work with and as a rule has a worse approach to the fight.
      Ideally everything you do, either restricts your opponent from immediately hitting you, or severely threatens them, forcing them to go on the defensive. Everything else is fluff, though being only human, working against hesitation and failiure in critical decission making. How we preform is rarely ever up to par with the ideal, though with a capability to demonstrate absolutely impressive skill at times.
      Ps: most of the time, I'm the hoppity fencer =3

    • @Trapsarentgay133
      @Trapsarentgay133 Před 3 lety +8

      I don’t know if they teach half swording with a katana but it’s a very effective technique with a long sword that requires patience to set up but is super effective

    • @redpandemic1081
      @redpandemic1081 Před 3 lety +7

      @@dude4real9455 I do totally agree with you on this one. Though I should add that I'm used to be a quite reserved Kendoka, taking a good time to observe and measure, yet I fail at acting quick enough. So even a calm mind can cost you a point or even the match when your body just can't react the way you want and need it to. That being said, I'm aware that this is nothing I can't work on. Still I need to bring mind and body to one level...

    • @redpandemic1081
      @redpandemic1081 Před 3 lety +5

      @@pepsifrog420 I had a bit of sparring by now with a Longsword fencer. And well it was pretty much like in this video most of the time. Not to blow my own horn here, but in our particular setup, I was simply more experienced. I think you have a valid point with the tricks up the sleeve. It came across my mind that Kendo is a pretty straight forward fencing style. After I watched some longsowrd instructions, there is just more to it. By all means.
      But the fencer needs to be able to put that to use. If the opponent is rather unsure on how to handle you, you really have the upper hand.

    • @redpandemic1081
      @redpandemic1081 Před 3 lety +3

      @@Trapsarentgay133 I would love to see that.

  • @williambankert7604
    @williambankert7604 Před 4 lety +42

    It's not about the weapon but the person wielding it

    • @natep2809
      @natep2809 Před 3 lety +1

      A very good statement.

    • @SwordWieldingDuck
      @SwordWieldingDuck Před 3 lety

      @@natep2809 so let's fight, you take knife and i take halberd, who do you think will win most of the time?

    • @zulwawi
      @zulwawi Před 3 lety +2

      @@SwordWieldingDuck skilled knife user wins on close combat

    • @sorrenzz3610
      @sorrenzz3610 Před 3 lety +1

      @@zulwawi Sorry man but that aint true

    • @zulwawi
      @zulwawi Před 3 lety

      @@sorrenzz3610 yes it is true have u seen russian combat knife and asian kerambit play like on john wick 3

  • @Simbad961
    @Simbad961 Před 8 lety +196

    If they had protective gear and could go all out would be better :/
    Cuz of safety both hesitated quite a lot

    • @0hn0haha
      @0hn0haha Před 8 lety +18

      +Seraphim HaanS Though, in a life or death fight, you might be hesitant as well.

    • @Simbad961
      @Simbad961 Před 8 lety

      +0hn0haha maybe in a duel but with plate armor there is no really need to hesitate. Besides when an actual battle occurred there was no time for slow ass comat. I always imagine it like a game of american football but woth swords xD anyway, not like a samurai and knight would meet but aby bit of protective gear would let them actually to try out cuts. Look up on youtube videos of hema masters fencing or 2 guys with zveinhander techniques :) they all show quite direct hits

    • @0hn0haha
      @0hn0haha Před 8 lety +2

      Seraphim HaanS Ah, I see, you want it to replicate war. I was thinking more of a duel context. I'm a Hema person btw.

    • @stoffni
      @stoffni Před 8 lety +2

      +Seraphim HaanS That is basically how European war was fought. Like American football. You tried to get the best positions (Knowing the battlefield, strategy), then both forces just ran right into each other, the first to falter(Hole in the line) was literally fucked because as soon as you turned around and ran the knights came riding you down.
      Then you regrouped and do battle again.

    • @jakubgrzybek6181
      @jakubgrzybek6181 Před 5 lety

      Riveted chainmail vs samurai iron&leather armour.

  • @StudSupreme
    @StudSupreme Před 10 lety +18

    This seems an unwise sparring session. They should have more protection. Wooden weapons are still potentially hazardous.

    • @controllingthemedia
      @controllingthemedia Před 10 lety +23

      ***** What the fuck even are you? Get off the internet.

    • @DakotaMilesO
      @DakotaMilesO Před 10 lety +4

      Do you think the European knights and the Japanese samurai wore fucking protection?

    • @VictoriaStobbie
      @VictoriaStobbie Před 10 lety

      Зиновий Варенников Training not really, Fighting Yes...because its someones life behind that sword...

    • @kylebollard97
      @kylebollard97 Před 10 lety +9

      Зиновий Варенников Actually yes.. yes they did

    • @DaleAllanBertram
      @DaleAllanBertram Před 10 lety +1

      Зиновий Варенников Yes, all the time.

  • @stemaster
    @stemaster Před 5 lety +11

    I find these types of fights fantastic. The two swird styles clash in a fight of experience instead of "which is better" the wielder of the weapon is what's important regardless of the style they use. In this vid you can see the contrast of both fighters and the styles they use. One speratic and constantly moving to keep variation, while the other is cool and collected trying to anticipate the next attack. The anticipated defense is a very high risk high reward style.

  • @Esbro
    @Esbro Před 6 lety +50

    0:40 damn good reaction

  • @inelllumba1727
    @inelllumba1727 Před 7 lety +639

    u coulda unscrewed the pommel and thrown it at him XDDD

    • @rubengerritsen6868
      @rubengerritsen6868 Před 7 lety +74

      would've ended him rightly...

    • @inelllumba1727
      @inelllumba1727 Před 7 lety +37

      +Ruben Gerritsen indeed. Skall has taught us well friend

    • @4rreste409
      @4rreste409 Před 7 lety +19

      yeah but they were just sparring so I don't think there's a need to kill your opponent and cause collateral damage

    • @inelllumba1727
      @inelllumba1727 Před 7 lety +19

      +Snoop Azlan collateral damage is always needed when someone challenges the mighty pommel

    • @gaboderflinger7854
      @gaboderflinger7854 Před 7 lety +2

      InstaWin! xD

  • @jaygon6346
    @jaygon6346 Před 7 lety +18

    0:30 dark souls 3 duels.

  • @BlackCatRedScarf
    @BlackCatRedScarf Před 6 lety +9

    It's pretty fun to watch both sides analyzing how to apply their skills and weapons against something completely different from what they are used to face, because both sides probably train most of time with people that uses the same style.
    One mistake and the bokken can slash several times or one mistake and the langschwert can land a pretty heavy blow.

  • @sugarhighmegaming5008
    @sugarhighmegaming5008 Před 6 lety +15

    “Just another day with the bros...”

  • @rimandries
    @rimandries Před 9 lety +65

    I applaud both gentlemen for this effort to try and exchange knowledge and experience. This is how we should treat eachother. With mutual respect and desire to learn. Well done. Ps samurai get your heads out of your ass: the katana is a sword. Not a magical item. Period.. And HEMA get of your high horse: the katana is a sword. Not an inferior slab of steel. Period. .See what i did there? Good luck to you all. Train hard and prosper.

    • @notsoprogaming9789
      @notsoprogaming9789 Před 9 lety

      Rim Andries you made me lol there

    • @notsoprogaming9789
      @notsoprogaming9789 Před 9 lety +2

      Rim Andries i wish you said katana cultist cause you would given me the chance to say im a hema cultist (see what i did there)

    • @rimandries
      @rimandries Před 9 lety +1

      i see it and i like it

    • @scintillam_dei
      @scintillam_dei Před 2 lety

      See my video "A conquistador refutes the Metatorn on Samurais VS Spaniards."

  • @roybatty-
    @roybatty- Před 8 lety +253

    Guy with the katana got cut in like 10 different places.

    • @aldipeanutz
      @aldipeanutz Před 8 lety +32

      *bokken

    • @kaizoebara
      @kaizoebara Před 8 lety +18

      +aldipeanutz *bokutô (never heard any Japanese person use the term bokken)

    • @tofuwu8680
      @tofuwu8680 Před 8 lety +24

      +kaizoebara well sometimes its called a bokken and sometimes its called a bokuto. They both means the same thing

    • @kaizoebara
      @kaizoebara Před 8 lety +4

      You don't get it? I just pointed out that this guy failed at making a smart-ass remark, when he himself didn't have a much of a clue. I know that they both mean the same thing, but the term "bokken" is hardly ever used by Japanese native speakers.

    • @tofuwu8680
      @tofuwu8680 Před 8 lety +18

      kaizoebara im just stating a fact, I dont want to get in any trouble.

  • @danielgoodwin2461
    @danielgoodwin2461 Před 2 lety +3

    At the time of viewing this 14 years has passed since the creation of the content. The revival of historical European martial arts was in it infancy. Since then more people have made interpretation of the texts and put it to practice. The skill of swordsmanship pertaing to welding the long sword has grown exponentially.

  • @imperialtrooper927
    @imperialtrooper927 Před 4 lety +4

    This was an awesome spar, great skill on both sides and I like the shoulder bump the two made after they finished, the respect these two have makes this spar very wholesome

  • @paxas03
    @paxas03 Před 8 lety +130

    And then one guy take his gun and shot the opponent.

    • @TheAmGoth
      @TheAmGoth Před 8 lety +4

      Goodwill does not sell guns.

    • @paxas03
      @paxas03 Před 8 lety +1

      Ahah I was kidding guys.

    • @neutralfellow9736
      @neutralfellow9736 Před 7 lety +7

      Look up 21 foot rule, in close range, you will be cut to pieces even if you manage to draw the gun in time.

    • @bdf2660
      @bdf2660 Před 7 lety +1

      you must be fun at parties

    • @Shrike12
      @Shrike12 Před 7 lety +15

      I think it was a reference to Indiana Jones

  • @majorsytreetlynxtheheroofa8822

    For Honor leaked gameplay footage.

  • @martk647
    @martk647 Před 3 lety +29

    0:31..when he press L2.

  • @spidery7618
    @spidery7618 Před 4 lety +2

    I love how you can SEE how much energy is pent up in the guy with a bokken, just look at how he excitedly hops around after landing a hit

  • @U-R-A-G-A-N
    @U-R-A-G-A-N Před 8 lety +56

    0:40 - Counter Standing
    2:04 - Counter Kill

  • @LTakes.4
    @LTakes.4 Před 3 lety +21

    Let’s be honest when we have a sword in our hand where gonna swing it like Kirito.

    • @Arcana437
      @Arcana437 Před 3 lety +1

      Yeah I did that once in a spar I got the hit but I have been attacked three or two times already lol

    • @thepriestpucci4988
      @thepriestpucci4988 Před 3 lety

      I tried serious tecniques once against my brother, he responded with wild swinging and stabbing to which i didnt really know how to respond.

  • @williamkiley2328
    @williamkiley2328 Před 6 lety +1

    Those guys are pretty evenly matched. I love seeing different art forms pinned against eachother.

  • @IanDresarie
    @IanDresarie Před 7 lety +3

    This is one of the best showcases I've seen so far. Just look at their vastly different footwork! Great video!

    • @hefeibao
      @hefeibao Před 2 lety

      I was thinking the same.

  • @daric_
    @daric_ Před 9 lety +23

    Practicing with no PPE whatsoever is a bad idea. Although wooden, those swords can still gouge eyes, cause concussions, etc.

    • @Railriderchris
      @Railriderchris Před 9 lety +2

      Daric Soldar True, but practicing with protections only will not give you an idea of what it is to fear the blows. I'd say that both training should be done, of course only with trained practicioner.

    • @HueyShabazz
      @HueyShabazz Před 9 lety +4

      Daric Soldar They could have put on eye protection or head gear. But they both looked like they knew how to control their strikes and not go full force or strike anywhere dangerous. Beginners wouldnt have the same control and would get seriously hurt

    • @dableutyef
      @dableutyef Před 8 lety +1

      Daric Soldar live by the sword poked by the sword

    • @colinhill7921
      @colinhill7921 Před 8 lety +1

      +Railriderchris I never quite agreed with this mindset. The people I train with are my friends, so when they aren't wearing appropriate protection, I run the risk of injuring them, and therefore don't attack with full intent.
      And as you'd expect, my friends/sparring partners feel the same way, so neither of us are attacking at maximum force.

    • @Railriderchris
      @Railriderchris Před 8 lety

      *****
      I can understand this. But whether you find this a good idea or not is probably depending on the goal you want to achieve when training with the sword.
      1) if you want to do sport, scoring points, being in little danger of being injured, this allowing to strike with full force rather than controlling the weapon, then training without protections will indeed be of little interest to you.
      2) But if you want to recreate something more real, like the real swordfight where people are aware that any movement might be the last which makes them being much more cautious, creating a tense situation where striking with full force is less important than doing controlled disabling of the opponent, then you might have a great deal of insight when doing restrained sparring without protections.
      Understand that I'm not criticising those who only want to score, or do full contact like in battle of the nations. It is surely a lot of fun, and there's nothing wrong with it.
      But when I see HEMA tournaments with a lot of suicidal attacks and double hits, it seems to me that there is a problem with being too protected.
      If you have good control over your blade, and if you know your sparring partner well, I encourage you to try it out. If you're not sure about your safety (which nevertheless remains first priority), then begin with fencing masks and maybe gloves as only protections, nylon or wooden swords, slow movements and more intention of doing techniques than sparring.
      Then, with time going on, you might remove your gloves and replace the fencing mask with safety glasses.
      However, I'm not a huge fan of steel swords in this context, because of the potentially abrasive steel edges after edge blows, and the fact that there is a tendency of doing a lot more cutting like Hendtrucken.

  • @chrisp4188
    @chrisp4188 Před 10 lety +8

    Two wooden sticks wielded by guys from different disciplines get together to fight. Who wins?
    ...
    The guy who trained harder.

  • @rogerforsberg3910
    @rogerforsberg3910 Před rokem +2

    As someone who's spent most of his teenage & adult life practicing various martial arts to see these two guys fencing without the protection of masks &/or gloves was quite astonishing. Very impressive, gents!

  • @elhilo1972
    @elhilo1972 Před 4 lety +13

    1:02 *Dramatic anime pause*
    *huff, huff, huff...*

  • @Joellondt
    @Joellondt Před 8 lety +293

    It's funny how the guy with the bokken pretends to not care about getting hit and shit like he knows wether it's gonna hit him or not and then.. he gets hit

    • @benis9965
      @benis9965 Před 8 lety +1

      +Joel Parkour i laugh so hard

    • @henryposadas
      @henryposadas Před 8 lety +47

      No it's just part of training. Like learning not to flinch when someone jabs. Plus if you gauge your range right (called maai in Japanese martial arts) you learn to relax when not in distance. You see this in MMA with karate fighters like machida and Thomson. Just part of their training.

    • @kuanchienkuanchien197
      @kuanchienkuanchien197 Před 6 lety +7

      It's no jab it's a fucking sword he died a thousand deaths

    • @andusz5518
      @andusz5518 Před 6 lety +11

      @DarkEternal6 half swording only works against armor, and a sword or weapon as big or bigger than a standard longsword, since you can't do grabs like that against a katana. it would be like trying to bear hug someone who has a knife. yes you could, but you'd get stabby stabbed about a thousand times in the mean time

    • @dynamicworlds1
      @dynamicworlds1 Před 6 lety +4

      Randy Oh correct, what he should have done is stay at distance and use his greater reach and hand protection to keep the fight as much about trying to hit his opponent's hands as possible....of course, lack of protective gear makes that kind of sparring problematic

  • @nonfictiondictionary
    @nonfictiondictionary Před 9 lety +184

    Cool video, but the hypothetical "Euro-Knight vs Samurai" flamewar comments kinda makes it... unfun to stick around...
    Don't give a shit about which sword is better, Warhammers FTW.

    • @FutureUSMC12
      @FutureUSMC12 Před 9 lety

      Battle axe and shield for me! Though I would be willing to use a warhammer instead. ^^^And yes indeed, a lot of people just want to prove their own superiority that THEIR weapon/martial art is the best unmatched by anything.

    • @IvanCaprioli
      @IvanCaprioli Před 9 lety +5

      it's not easy to compare this two beautiful techniques, the real difference was given by fighters.
      Anyway, in european battlefield was not usual to see sword armed fighters. The longsword was considered a noble weapon and it's mainly used in dueling or skirmish.
      In normal battles was more common to see maces, morning stars, pikes, two-handed hammers, axes, poleaxes and shields.

    • @dylanr.cerezo4325
      @dylanr.cerezo4325 Před 9 lety +1

      Im just sitting here stroking my guns and knives and improvised weapons.

    • @Puglord99
      @Puglord99 Před 9 lety +2

      -Ðёмøи Ḻøяḓ Ðylaи - edgy

    • @calcena15
      @calcena15 Před 9 lety

      Ivan Caprioli To much heavy weapons to fight the agility of a samurai i think

  • @Z95HeadHunter
    @Z95HeadHunter Před 5 lety +4

    This was a more interesting fight to watch than most of what is excreted onto the screen by Hollywood.

  • @shadekeigarblacksky
    @shadekeigarblacksky Před 4 lety +1

    I'm glad to see equally skilled fighters of different styles testing it out
    Thank you for this sparring both of you! 😄

  • @zaxarion
    @zaxarion Před 10 lety +20

    Timbo X, if you think there is such thing as a superior art, you are mistaken. There are people with more skill, people with more dedication, smarter people, but before the fight, equally trained warriors, such as a Samurai or a Medieval Knight, either of them could win... the one who trained longer, the faster one, the stronger one, the smarter one, the luckier one... it is all up to the single person incarnating the warrior on that precise moment... But specially understand, that nothing that you or me can say will change anything. Just train on whatever you practice and find happines, stop trying to win. God bless you and all Martial Arts Practitioners.

    • @rattslayer
      @rattslayer Před 10 lety +7

      in actual combat to the death, the medieval knight would probably have it due simply to the superiority of the fitted plate, vs the samurais lamellar armor. if both were unarmored, it would probably be a coin flip.

    • @endlessace
      @endlessace Před 10 lety

      Those armors are heavy as @#$%. Endurance is gonna be an issue.

    • @rattslayer
      @rattslayer Před 10 lety +9

      Minh Phan proper, well fit plate is both lighter and restrictes moment less than a modern soldiers gear. Well fit plate weighs around 40Lb. Compare that to the Ō-yoroi (pinnacle of samuri armor) that weight 65+ Lb

    • @Omnicronimous
      @Omnicronimous Před 10 lety +1

      rattslayer Not to mention that by the 14th Century at the height of European plate armor the Spanish, Germans, and Italians were making plate armor that could withstand the strongest crossbows of the day, and were reasonably bullet proof into the 16th century. Thus necessitating the shift in sword making among the nobility to ever stronger and narrower straight blades (for stabbing between armor plates).

  • @GoldenFly
    @GoldenFly Před 9 lety +330

    Given all things equal, a traditional japanese warrior with a katana would probably lose against a european warrior.
    Not based on the sword they used or anything, but the mere fact that in europe they were much more adapted to fighting people from other cultures, with different weapons and techniques. The Japanese generally only fought one another, where as europeans battled against many different foes.

    • @masterdude134
      @masterdude134 Před 9 lety +48

      "but the mere fact that in europe they were much more adapted to fighting people from other cultures, with different weapons and techniques."
      no just no. The muslims and their empire along with the turks had no trouble what so ever keeping the crusaders out of the middle east for many many hundreds of years. also the middle eastern swords and techniques were so highly sought after by European nation some spent huge chunks of their wealth on imports of these weapons and armor.
      The Japanese havent fought anyone else aside from the mongols due to the fact japan is an island and as such has no reason to wage war outside its borders. And yeah the samurai defiantly fought other armies specfically korea and the mongols as well in the later periods taking on modern armies and the katana was still present. Samurai adapt to their enviroment the same way the europeans did. When firearms were used during the sengoku jidai the Oda army had more guns than spears.

    • @Railriderchris
      @Railriderchris Před 9 lety +105

      GoldenFly Yes, you're correct. The Isolation of Japan was one of their greatest weakness and the reason for their lack of Evolution.
      And contrary to masterdude's strange ideas, the Crusaders did pretty well agaisnt the muslims. Just because they eventually failed to reclaim the holy land isn't an evidence that the Muslims had ''no trouble''. It is like saying that the Koreans had ''no trouble''to Keep the Samurai out of their land, forgetting about the early Japanese successes (funny enough, masterdude only mentions that the Samurai ''fought defiantly'' and not that in the end they were kicked out like the Crusaders... biased much, huh?)
      However, in the end, the Japanese have proved quite adaptive People. For example, they adopted western guns quite rapidly, and once they adopted western warfare in the 19th century, they quickly became a strong Nation and colonial empire.
      This is why I think that yes, the traditional Samurai army wouldn't do well in the beginning against European warfare. But the Japanese would quickly evolve and become worthy adversairies to the Westerners.

    • @masterdude134
      @masterdude134 Před 9 lety +3

      Railriderchris
      They were not "Kicked out" nice revisionist history. the samurai left korea after instilling basically their entire culture into the korean system hence why the korean folk have their very own katana.
      funny fact Korea was not a very good economical war you could almost call korea the vietnam of the 16th century

    • @Railriderchris
      @Railriderchris Před 9 lety +49

      ***** Yeah, sure, the Samurai brought the light of hope to the Koreans, and once they were sure that Korea would be a better place for those people they left honourably...
      Seriously, who is Revisionist here? Anti-Japanese Feelings can still be traced back to the Imjin-wars, so why would the Koreans have kept the Japanese influence after them being kicked out of Korea?

    • @masterdude134
      @masterdude134 Před 9 lety +2

      Railriderchris
      They did not leave honorably they lost the place economically that much is obvious as there was nothing there worth staying for besides basic resources.
      Hidiyoshi left because even he knew it was not worth his time to persure a nation about the size of a couple of prefectures.
      simple really, the koreans kept samurai weapons and martial arts training because they were vastly surperior to their own or the imjin war would have been won by the koreans to which it sure as hell was not.

  • @briansalk3233
    @briansalk3233 Před 5 lety +6

    You score one point for arm or leg, two points for chest, three points for head, and 100 points for rapping the guy in the knuckles, plus an extra 5 points if he yelps.

  • @KageStelhman
    @KageStelhman Před 6 lety +2

    Those two were really evenly matched... that was really impressive to watch, thanks ^.^

  • @fa7705
    @fa7705 Před 9 lety +7

    Two different weapons for two different kinds of warfare. An interesting crossover, but to say one style of swordsmanship is superior over an another is simply crass.

  • @Snythes
    @Snythes Před 9 lety +14

    Why are they saying "Longsword vs Bokken" that's like a boxing match saying "---- gloves vs ---- gloves" it comes down to skill of the fighter in sword duels not the type swords they use.

    • @mariosmatzoros3553
      @mariosmatzoros3553 Před 6 lety

      Snythes no not at all.

    • @mariosmatzoros3553
      @mariosmatzoros3553 Před 6 lety

      Snythes there are some swords that are simply better than others.For instance,in a 1vs1 duel a rapiers is considered to be the best weapon.

    • @jouburt9545
      @jouburt9545 Před 5 lety

      marios matzoros this isn’t a video game, the difference between the weapons is not which is better, it’s their style. Put two skilled swordsman in a duel, one with a rapier, the other a long sword, they both have the same chance of winning. The same goes for a long sword vs zweihander, it’s the skill and style that separates the weapons

  • @eliasbischoff176
    @eliasbischoff176 Před 6 lety

    These guys are amazing. Never losing their control for a second, never endangering each other, even though they don't wear any protection

  • @dragutinvukelic8891
    @dragutinvukelic8891 Před 6 lety +6

    Nice sparring...with no safety gear. They both have good technique and are very cautious. It shows they have mutual respect for each other. You learn a lot from a sparring like this. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Respect!

  • @arthurw13
    @arthurw13 Před 9 lety +33

    They should wear some protective gear and go full out

    • @Railriderchris
      @Railriderchris Před 9 lety

      arthurw13 Protective gear makes people being careless and suicidal, hardly authentic. Sometimes, a more restrained sparring without protections can teach you a lot of things.

    • @Railriderchris
      @Railriderchris Před 8 lety

      Sylorinnis
      I respect your opinion, but I'd like to disagree. However, I think we might both be correct, as it depends of what do you want to achieve.
      In a purely sportive context like modern sport fencing, Kendo or (more and more) HEMA tournaments, yes, you're quite correct.
      However, when trying to represent a real fight, there are several big problems with the modern protective equipment:
      1) mobility: it is impressive how little you can move with the full sparring gear, my medieval armour offers a lot more freedom of movement!
      Honestly, have you ever managed to place a succesful Zwerchhau when with fencing mask, heavy sparring gloves and HEMA gambeson? Or even only to go into the guard Ochs or Posta di Donna? Is it easy for you to use the thumb grip?
      2) As I already said, protections make people fight only to score a point instead of also protecting their lives. This is a main reason why many historical techniques don't work in tournaments because they weren't meant to be used against suicidal persons.
      Many HEMA fighters who act like crazy Battle of the Nations participants would be completely shocked and passive it they had to fight against a person with a sharp sword.
      3) You can do light unprotected sparring without the people ''co-operating''. It depends of course on the amount of skill and training involved, but Daniel Jaquet of GAGschola has made an impressive demonstration with sparring partners only equiped with protective gloves. It looked much better than the silly bashing often involved in tournaments with protections, especially as the mobility without gear allows much more techniques.
      Conclusion: in a sportive context, to learn how to strike with full force, protective gear is absolutely necessary. And I would say that anyone has to do at least some amount of protected full force sparring.
      However, to understand our ancestors who did train without protections too, I strongly believe that it is of great use to also do light sparring without protective gear.

    • @Railriderchris
      @Railriderchris Před 8 lety +1

      Sylorinnis
      I'm happy that we found an honorable agreement, dear Sir. :-)
      All the best to you and your training!

  • @Algahiem
    @Algahiem Před 5 lety +5

    Welcome back to the stage of history!

  • @adude8216
    @adude8216 Před 3 lety +6

    0:38 Has to be the most beautiful parry I've ever fucking seen

    • @Arcana437
      @Arcana437 Před 3 lety +2

      Too bad he didn't follow up ughh

  • @oradrags
    @oradrags Před 5 lety +2

    Ok I just got this video on my recommendation after this was uploaded 11 years ago.

  • @RydaliaAstora
    @RydaliaAstora Před 8 lety +12

    This is like watching dark souls. Dexterity build vs Strength build.

    • @Yprion
      @Yprion Před 8 lety +1

      +Ridalia like watching GOOD dark souls. No spaming brats and no backstab fishers

    • @robrockstar9648
      @robrockstar9648 Před 8 lety

      +Ridalia which fighter is which build?

    • @NoahWeisbrod
      @NoahWeisbrod Před 8 lety

      Nah. Only Dark Souls dex weapons have realistic movement. Strength weapons are crazy shit like hammers the size of cars.

    • @Yprion
      @Yprion Před 8 lety

      Noah Weisbrod 'dex weapons' aren't more realistic. You probably meant swords (katanas, straight swords and scimatars), spears and halberts. Scythes are dex weapons and... Well... They are as usefull as a human-sized hammer in a battle.

    • @NoahWeisbrod
      @NoahWeisbrod Před 8 lety

      The Great Scythe is an exception, but the uchi, balder sword, falchion, scimitar, painting sword, Ricard's etc. all move semi-reasonably.

  • @badfoody
    @badfoody Před 4 lety +7

    For Honor Devs after watching this video:
    We're makin a game about this

  • @silverswordguy4191
    @silverswordguy4191 Před 2 lety +1

    Even with all the new HEMA stuff that's come out over the past several years, this is still one of my favorite videos to come back to and watch.

  • @thuddpucker11
    @thuddpucker11 Před 3 lety +2

    Wouldn't be a more even a match if it was a contest between the long sword and a Nodachi sword ?

  • @alexanderchenf1
    @alexanderchenf1 Před 9 lety +128

    A Katana does not stand a chance facing a long sword in any real duel or group combat, assuming both holders are in the same level of their own practice.

    • @Railriderchris
      @Railriderchris Před 9 lety +92

      Look, I basically favor the Longsword and I do agree to you that it has some great advantages. But there's no thing like ''no chance'' in a real fight, and despite being exaggerated, the Katana remains a very good weapon.

    • @alexanderchenf1
      @alexanderchenf1 Před 9 lety +10

      Railriderchris Katana is considerably heavier and less agile than a long sword in real fight.

    • @Railriderchris
      @Railriderchris Před 9 lety +20

      Chen Alex
      Basically yes, but let's not forget that there weren't a standard Katana or Longsword back then. Often, a Katana will be thicker and heavier than a similar sized European sword. But this isn't always true, depending of the owner's preferences, there were heavier and lighter swords both in Europe and Japan.
      But as a conclusion, yes, the myth of the super light and agile Katana is just this, a myth.

    • @Railriderchris
      @Railriderchris Před 9 lety +7

      ***** What makes you think the average soldier in Europe wouldn't have a blade of similar quality than the average Ashigaru in Japan? Europe crafted swords like Japan long before the Katana, so there's not really a reason why a low quality sword would be better in Japan than in Europe. The same is true for high quality swords, especially since in the late middle ages the level in metallurgy was more evolved in Europe.

    • @Railriderchris
      @Railriderchris Před 9 lety +6

      *****
      Why would you compare an European footsoldier with a Samurai? This is like comparing an Ashigaru to a Knight...
      I haven't seen any indication of the proportion of Samurai/Knight vs footsoldiers, but I think that for one it depended on the circumstances and for the other that it wasn't probably that different between Europe and Japan.
      Well, the metallurgy in late medieval Europe allowed to make purer steel (highly regarded by the Japanese once they met Europeans in the mid-16th century) and more flexible blades. This doesn't mean the sword in itself is better in the fight, because the Katana compensates for its impure blade with a higher thickness and weight. However, since it was easier to craft good swords, this means that the mass produced swords in Japan were probably of lesser quality than their European counterparts.
      Japan barely had cannons, the few they had were made out of Bronze or wood (!) or taken over from the Europeans, because they hadn't the metallurgy to cast iron cannons by themselves.
      Yes, I think that a Japanese heavy armour wasn't that bad compared to what they had in Europe, but it was never made out of wood but iron and steel, sometimes partly hardened leather.

  • @russelldavis8415
    @russelldavis8415 Před 10 lety +9

    primary targets in a duel are arms/hands, legs/feeet, trying to hit the head or trunk without first injuring/weakening/disarming your opponent, will get you KILLED.

    • @gurkfisk89
      @gurkfisk89 Před 10 lety

      I have to disagree with you about the legs and absolutley about feets. Feets are really difficult to hit because they are so low and your shoulder are so high. With a longword you have to get about half a meter closer to be able to hit a foot than if you where aming for the torso.

    • @TheBoxingCannabyte
      @TheBoxingCannabyte Před 9 lety +1

      nuh-uh

    • @russelldavis8415
      @russelldavis8415 Před 9 lety

      the legs are really easy to hit the feet is an interesting topic, this came about when we were looking at possibilities when dueling with sword and dagger, while it may be possible, I think it highly unlikely anyone would go down that road.
      nuh uh dont really contribute to the conversation.

    • @TheGabesnell
      @TheGabesnell Před 9 lety +1

      gurkfisk89
      upper legs and armpits were the main targets for longswords and broadswords... look it up...

    • @gurkfisk89
      @gurkfisk89 Před 9 lety +1

      TheGabesnell Upper legs are a target, but I wouldn't call it a main one. And the upper legs are more of a target than the lower legs, but I still wouldn't call it the main target.
      Codex Döbringer (MS 3227a) does for example state that you should attack "to the head or to the body" many times so I think that at least the head would be considered a main target. And nearly every strike I've seen is aimed towards the head or torso.
      For the armpits. That is absolutley true if we are talking about armored fighting (if we are, then I'm sorry for the misunderstanding). But in unarmored fighting I'm not that sure. What kind of attack would you use with a longsword to attack the armpit in an unarmored fight?
      I can see that you may hit the armpit when striking, say, a zwerchau from a high bind. But even then I would say that the strike is aimed towards the upper body in general rather than the armpit specifically.
      What sources are you refering to when you say that the upper legs and armpits are the main targets?

  • @toshiie4478
    @toshiie4478 Před 5 lety +12

    Warden vs Orochi real footage

  • @boloisdaman
    @boloisdaman Před 6 lety +3

    Huge difference in footwork there. Aikido guy is super smooth.

  • @pugilist102
    @pugilist102 Před 10 lety +7

    That last parry/blow was awesome.

  • @JeetKuneDoBelgrade
    @JeetKuneDoBelgrade Před 9 lety +40

    Lovely exchange. Respect shown. Good video.

  • @silentfox139
    @silentfox139 Před 6 lety

    Man. 2007 is such a distant memory

  • @chickensandwich8808
    @chickensandwich8808 Před 5 lety +2

    I clicked on this video because I knew the comments section was going to be full of "experts" and it did not disappoint.

  • @itwuzavalibles256
    @itwuzavalibles256 Před 8 lety +171

    Am I the only one who thought of darksouls 3 @ 0:31

    • @_ODDEEO_
      @_ODDEEO_ Před 8 lety +9

      >Stance!!

    • @ShadowMudkip123
      @ShadowMudkip123 Před 8 lety +21

      This was literally me starting with knight class and fighting the sword master on my first play through

    • @andikadewasatrio4743
      @andikadewasatrio4743 Před 7 lety

      lol you're not alone. me too xD

    • @mudwolff
      @mudwolff Před 7 lety

      awwww shieettt soo tru hahaha

    • @roganchapman5700
      @roganchapman5700 Před 7 lety +6

      And then again at 0:43 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1

  • @tyler6104
    @tyler6104 Před 8 lety +11

    You know I ponder how many martial artist are actually Watching this video. This is a good sign of control of the space between the two, and they both a have a good balance of Techinque. None from what i can see seem to be in the expert level, but that is fine. I'm honestly not there either. I''ve been at it for five years. The idea of there techinque with out making content is nice to see. Because it does take great control and precission with each cut and strike. I give them props for the style and fineesse. Its not that easy to do what they did with good control, and specially since they move very in sync it leads me to believe they have crossed paths more then once in terms of sparring.

    • @MrVlonk
      @MrVlonk Před 8 lety +4

      1.Dan Kendoka here with Naginata experience. The Kendoka (Bokken) fighter is top notch level. Very high skill with lots of tricks in his bag. You can grasp his expertise from his calm outer demeanor (while always being ready to strike/counter). His precision counters and almost disarm (of a two handed weapon no less) at 0:40 speak for themselves. But the longsword fighter is no slouch either! I assume he is not used to fight without armor though because many of his strikes are clearly aimed at "taking less" damage then his enemy (while in Kendo "one strike kills" and therefore every hit must be prevented.
      It is clear that both fighters are coming from their distinct field (where they are very competent and know how to handle enemies with similar weapons) but both are struggling with the reach of their enemy. You can see that clearly at 1:49 when the Kendoka did not expect to be in reach of a piercing hit while defending himself with outstretched arms (I pierce you, you pierce me). Most hits from the Kendoka are counters or have to push the longsword out of the way first.

    • @brycesanders8546
      @brycesanders8546 Před 8 lety

      +MrVlonk he's not a kendoka mate, using waki gamae and gedan no kamae in a sparring situation? I'm 2dan and I have never seen a kendoka of any level do that. Probably aikido, though I can't be sure.

    • @MrVlonk
      @MrVlonk Před 8 lety

      Derpy Dashie
      Learned all of that doing Kendo to. We have a very elaborate Kata system that is connected to Kendo (here in Germany). All those gamae are part of it and techniques seem similar. His behaviour is exactly as a kendoka would conduct himself in a sparring match, the gamae are unusual that is true. Considering he has the range disadvantage I can understand why he does not want to connect to the enemy sword. Waki is kinda pointless in this situation though... He could be a Iaidoka but only hint for that would be the white keigoki which is unusual in Kendo.

  • @XellDincht
    @XellDincht Před 5 lety

    Both of them had no protective gear. its a miracle that they didnt hurt each other with the wooden swords

  • @Raven.flight
    @Raven.flight Před 5 lety

    Which is the best weapon? The one you're trained in.

  • @jimg1159
    @jimg1159 Před 10 lety +232

    The longsword guy was being too polite, he could have hit him lots of times.

    • @dextrodemon
      @dextrodemon Před 10 lety +28

      i have a feeling you're getting confused by the bokken guy calling all those feints.

    • @clearlypellucid
      @clearlypellucid Před 10 lety +27

      Torc Handsomeson Some of them weren't feints. If he had just followed through he would have cracked the poor guy's skull open.

    • @Zevox144
      @Zevox144 Před 10 lety +13

      Even if they were feints, why would anybody allow an opening and leave luck to deciding whether they get stabbed or not.

    • @dextrodemon
      @dextrodemon Před 10 lety +26

      because if you react to a feint then you open yourself up to a real attack somewhere else. that's what a feint is for.

    • @clearlypellucid
      @clearlypellucid Před 10 lety +15

      Torc Handsomeson So what you're saying is basically that, if the longsword guy HAD followed through, the boken guy would be dead, but the boken guy was psychic and knew he wouldn't.

  • @GRABA85
    @GRABA85 Před 10 lety +10

    Kendo mask? Sabre fancing mask? Anyone? Protective vest? It is pointless if you dont want to hit somebody.

  • @tiexiaowang7939
    @tiexiaowang7939 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Longsword guy's footwork is all over the place. Seems like the bokken wielder had quite the experience advantage

  • @TheEtoneKapone
    @TheEtoneKapone Před rokem

    Both these dudes seem very skilled and there's no sloppy wasted movement. I don't understand sword fighting but you can see how composed and focused they both are.

  • @libertyprime2985
    @libertyprime2985 Před 9 lety +6

    The long sword guy simply does not abuse of his range and the katana guy is not offensive at all.

    • @daug3607
      @daug3607 Před 6 lety +2

      reactive playstyle is far better than offensive

  • @mkcandyrocky
    @mkcandyrocky Před 8 lety +128

    long sword man is gentle and kind. His intention is not to harm his opponent. while the bokken man cannot see his fingers and arms were cut already only if the long sword man would haved intended to. as individual long sword man is much greater , deeper and skilled

    • @STRIK3RM4N
      @STRIK3RM4N Před 8 lety +7

      That depends on who's the best martial artist and perspective. As I practice a Japanese martial art built over Japanese kenjutsu, I see the bokken opponent too much tolerant and gentle towards his opponent, and even losing some opportunities to strike.

    • @GabrielAKAFinn
      @GabrielAKAFinn Před 8 lety +20

      +목정근 (MichaelMok) If you look closely you will notice the swords are, in fact, wooden, and can't cut anything.

    • @xanderchia7247
      @xanderchia7247 Před 6 lety +2

      GabrielAKAFinn lol

    • @ZackForester
      @ZackForester Před 6 lety

      Never heard of metal gauntlets? lol

    • @Erika-yi1fj
      @Erika-yi1fj Před 6 lety +11

      No shit......... What he's saying is, if this was a real fight with real fucking metal then the bokken dude would have lost cause his fingers would have gotten sliced off due to lack of skill.

  • @jed_91
    @jed_91 Před 6 lety

    What lacker or spry best to use

  • @denzuko1
    @denzuko1 Před 5 lety +1

    The guy with Bokken is an Aikidoka. Good to see the application of the technique.

  • @BengNinja
    @BengNinja Před 8 lety +5

    If you ever tried something like this you know how hard it actually is to fight sword vs sword. One fuck up and you are dead. But i think they both look like they arent just show offs, you can see they have skills. Good Job!

    • @emeraldjoker7357
      @emeraldjoker7357 Před 8 lety

      I know that people train with blunt swords well not sure about blunt katanas but they could do it with real swords if they are skilled enough

    • @TheIceandphoenix
      @TheIceandphoenix Před 8 lety

      They used wooden swords at tournaments and people still got killed. Ninjas used wooden swords because steel wasnt afordable for them, they still killed silently. u dont need real swords to practice. besides getting yourself MORE hurt and staying out of practice isnt smart. also if you have experience you know how to keep your distance and wait for the perfect timing and dont charge in like crazy, because both guys end up dead. sword fighting is a lot like anderson silvas counter striking style, thats whats gonna keep you alive in a real combat situation.

  • @ericeinarson6654
    @ericeinarson6654 Před 9 lety +185

    The guy in the white robe knows what he's doing- he has a perfect sense of spacial awareness and the range of his opponent- at 0:53 he didn't even flinch when the guy with the longsword faked a thrust- he knew exactly how far the reach of his opponent was, and he knew that the sword posed him no threat- great swordplay.

    • @gurkfisk89
      @gurkfisk89 Před 9 lety +81

      To be fair, he didn't even flinch at 1:48 either, when the thrust wasn't fake.

    • @1RYTY1
      @1RYTY1 Před 9 lety +1

      yeah i'm guessing he was tired i mean you do know that flinching a defensive move is pretty useful in a sword fight?

    • @pfl95
      @pfl95 Před 6 lety

      but why are they not wearing anything? dangerous and irresponsible

    • @MisterRagdoll
      @MisterRagdoll Před 6 lety +3

      He didn't flinch because its SPARRING. They aren't aiming to hit the opponents and most of the hits were aimed at opponent weapon.
      It looks cool and all but it was as real as WWE.

    • @lightarmanov6266
      @lightarmanov6266 Před 6 lety +4

      His footwork is all off

  • @johnchambers2996
    @johnchambers2996 Před 4 lety

    On could ponder whether a real broadsword could be handled with the agility of that wooden one, or whether a lighter bokken would be able to parry a heavier broadsword as shown in this video.

  • @Aegox
    @Aegox Před 7 lety +2

    He catches his arm there at the end, that was awesome.

  • @jigo53
    @jigo53 Před 8 lety +25

    shouldnt that be longwood? :D

  • @Chrominance87
    @Chrominance87 Před 10 lety +9

    Now put masks and gambesons on each of them. You will have an entirely different duel.

    • @obersaber
      @obersaber Před 5 lety

      But no gloves, just so they realize how hard it is to wipe with broken fingers.

  • @taejo4975
    @taejo4975 Před 5 lety

    How is this on my recommendation and this is like 11 years ago

  • @Arun-nv8zi
    @Arun-nv8zi Před 6 lety

    Both very skilled with very different weapons. Excellent demonstration.

  • @bobhaynes8169
    @bobhaynes8169 Před 4 lety +9

    Watching the guy with the longsword is almost painful- though I can understand it's hard not to have a static stance. In the art of the longsword wards are meant to be windups and not static positions, your sword is meant to be in constant motion and not in a consistent position that can be read.

  • @AureusPercussor
    @AureusPercussor Před 9 lety +10

    Why must every argument over Katana vs Longsword must end in one dedicated style. Whomever was more experienced with that blade would be the victor. Both combatants in this video show that both are pretty equally skilled. Also, both combatants seemed to have landed similar hits. While Knights were more armored, it's not like other Japanese warriors were any less armored. The average foot soldier was lightly armored. Both swords are excellence but also can be over hyped. Both have jobs they are good at and their own fighting styles.

    • @syphonfilter8372
      @syphonfilter8372 Před 9 lety +4

      Because there is a lot of pride and belief in this dick-waving contest. There has to be a winner. In this day and age, people will settle for nothing less.

    • @realenew
      @realenew Před 9 lety

      but I actually heard that good-quality iron was rare in Japan, but common in Europe, that means more armour for the European and their half-swording style.

    • @AureusPercussor
      @AureusPercussor Před 9 lety

      realenew While that comment is not wrong, iron was scarce in Japan, the sword makers figured out a way to forge two types of steel into one blade, allowing for the sharpness of each sword. Both swords are fantastic in my opinion, and have their advantages and disadvantages

  • @ninjastorm
    @ninjastorm Před 6 lety

    Nice job! I wish we could get more people together to train like this. Its not about who is superior, its all about good training

  • @404errorpagenotfound.6

    So which is better, longsword or katana?