What does it mean to be "enlightened"? | Robert Wright & Daniel Ingram
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- 03:01 Daniel: Aim for enlightenment (even if you’ll never reach it)
10:47 Levels of Buddhist awakening
15:48 Daniel assesses Bob’s level of spiritual attainment
25:17 Trump as an affront to Buddhism
30:05 The awakened sociopath
40:59 Daniel’s enlightened view of Trumpism
50:23 How to leverage anger wisely
Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonzero) and Daniel Ingram (Dharma Overground, Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha)
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Recorded on July 10, 2017
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“I have invited a guest that have mapped out the exact route to actual enlightenment and how to get through every step on the way. But instead let’s talk about Trump”
-Robert Wright
To be fair, there is no discussion that does not have the potential to bring you closer to nibbana, so discussing Trump is as good as discussing literally anything else. Provided you do so through the lens of the Buddha's teachings.
Matt J is that was true there would be no need for any steps of the eightfold path. People could just live exactly as they were and eventually reach enlightenment
@@Kaspen82 That is incorrect. You need to use the Noble Eightfold Path in your daily life. This path can be used in every single activity. That is the precise point and nature of the path. It appears you ignored my final sentence.
Matt J no I just read your post sloppily. Sorry about that.
@@Kaspen82 Oh, no worries! It's youtube after all lol. I'm astonished that you acknowledged that. Must be indicative of the type of audience these people attract :)
Can someone enlighten this dude on not interrupting his guest
Such a common issue among interviewers, who are often wannabes.
There are two kinds of truth in this world, conventional reality and the ultimate reality. Daniel lives in both very comfortably... when he says "he is enlightened" that is within the parameters of the conventional reality. Many who profess to have seen the ultimate, but cannot give clear directions, This era has to thank Daniel for been open to many people who have benefited from him.
I have benefitted from his honesty and transparency.
Yes. I can know the Ultimate Reality and play around in this Maya with great gusto.
I think it's interesting how different Daniel comes off than the stereotype of the enlightened "spiritual" teacher: slow talking, seeming almost other worldly, emphasizing peace or compassion or being heart-centered. I think he actually believes in these things but he will never sound like a touchy-feely type. The personality does not usually go away. I am also feeling discouraged because I have done many short retreats, by Daniel's standards, and have never had any of the experiences that get talked about. I was with what I guess was a very unconventional Zen teacher. A part of me wishes I had those years back but I have to admit I don't know if I could have been that disciplined.
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Nice to see Daniel on again, always a great discussion and insightful.
Daniel's energy always seem to rub off on Bob lol
it would be fascinating to hear a conversation between Robert Wright and B. Alan Wallace about this same topic since Wallace is coming from a traditionalist perspective.
What we call traditional was once the present.
wright would certainly benefit from talking to wallace im sure he already has, whereas ppl like daniel are hopelessly lost, until they are reestablished on the path
i think he's right that stream entry is not as hard as it's made to seem
Daniel Ingram is the T. Lobsang Rampa of Alabama.
Very cool interview, and Ingram comes off and very clear and engaging. More, please!
I have to watch this in stages for a couple of reasons but one of them is avoiding the shear annoyance at Wright's not letting Daniel finish his statements or allowing him to ask Wright a pertinent question. Wright should slightly pause after nearly every sentence to allow Daniel to weigh in, if he wants to. The interviewer has to be willing to be vulnerable. You cannot wake up without being vulnerable to your weaknesses and blind spots. I know it's hard to be on display. I've been in the hot seat but was never asking a huge audience to tune in, so if I balked, I was almost the only one to pay for it.
There doesn't necessarily need to be steps. It can be serendipitously - especially while under LSD.
Paradox about narcist-Trump voting is not necessarily about choosing that person, but to take the power away from a complicated network of elites, institutions and law created (to give it to "our" guy). It seems to be a reductive gesture, hysteric - Give it to him, only unusual (beyond ethics) skills can brake it.
Similar problems in Poland and other parts of the world through history?
It seems to me that a problem with having a goal of enlightenment, which is quite profound yet not what most people think it is, is that it is so far off for most people that they are frequently living with a sense that how their experience as it appears is not good enough, that this moment is missing something. Perhaps Ingram addresses this in his book.
In this current age, one simplicity...austerity, ones compassion, ones past suffering having led to learning first two, and ones non attachment, are far greater barometers of getting closer to this subjective goal, enlightenment, than books, degrees, techniques, explanations and even spiritual texts which had far more relevance in the age they were channelled or conceived.
I can't tell you what enlightened is to you, but it is very clear Ingram is far from the best representative to be a leading guide to spiritual trimuth.
Brilliant conversation. Great guest.
Completing "a cycle of insight" is necessary for stream entry? What sutta is that in? As far as I know, stream entry involves breaking the first three fetters. This articulation of "cycles" came later.
People expect nibbana to be some sort of ultimate perfection, but that's not what it is. Buddha uses the word perfection, but like all of Buddha's words, he means it in a very specific way. Nibbana is nothing more than the cessation of dukkha.
and what is the origination of dukkha? tanha - passion, aversion, delusion. daniel ingram preaches arhat can have sex and indulge in sense pleasures, which are direct contradictions. no two way around it, he's delusional.
@@dicsoncandra1948 okay have fun with your style of enlightenment being not enjoying anything 😉
He seems like he wants to get some where, more than enjoy the words
Not Daniel. And I ment it as a pointing to enjoying the moment. Not a criticism
True awakening, to my mind, would mean that our central illusion of being e separate self is seen through which means that there actually is no other. It would therefore be clear that all kinds of pathological and harmful behavior that is causing painful emotions in the formerly believed to be other, is actually inflicted on oneself. This inside, truly seen, should therefore cause this kind of behavior to shift to a pattern that would reflect the truth of this insight, unless the habitual believe in the separate self arises again and throws the mind back into delusion, meaning the awakened inside has vanished, at least momentarily. Or, and this would be the alternative, that the true nature of the universe would have a strong masochistic tendency. So take your pick when considering someone to be enlightened. 😘
I had to slow down the speed to digest what he was saying.
28:00 What's gender neutral version of "founding fathers"?
No need for that.
robert squirms a lot about the E word. there's a saying that daniel put in his book, "everyone wants to believe in enlightenment, but not that YOU'RE enlightened"
Taking others enlightenment inventory while boasting of ones own. Very enlightened, Daniel.
so many people these days just want to believe that enlightenment is for the masses... hence why people believe in such apparent nonsense. direct contradiction to the Buddha's teachings.
Hmm, it’s seams like you can get a degree in ENLIGHTENMENT! or follow a 10 step course to become awakened! I’ve never come across an awakened being that has ever stated they are enlightened.
thats a fad and a misconception, enlightened people stating they are enlightened or not, doesnt matter at all. enlightenment is context, it has nothing to do with content.
Am en to that. It is alarming the degree people cannot pick up on certain frequencies of another.
Perhaps, but equally as true that one does not need specific techniques channeled 2500 yrs ago. One also does not need a guide interpreting that text w clever academia oriented scholarship as a conduit. You elwould be far better off following thich naht, Eckhart , and living w compassion, austerity and non detachment. Daniel treats these as parlor magic tricks, which is why he used to practice the dark arts. I'm afraid many are being misled here.
@@saucyjk6453 as someone who started off learning from thich nhat hanh and eckhart tolle, my practice didn't take off until I found Ingram.
@@user-fg3fv9hl3b good for you. I get nothing positive from him and my intuition is he is a con man.
Desire is not necessarily the obstacle that needs to be overcome,the desire to eat,or exercise or to help some one etc etc is not the problem. The problem is Desirous attachment this is what we must overcome on the path to enlightenment,we need a well qualified teacher to explain what Desirous attachment is & then the instructions on how to gradually eliminate this kind of attachment.
Comrade Daniel!! ✊🌹
All the serious practitioners that I have met never discuss attainments. It seems Daniel Ingram uses the term “awakening” too much...
They think Trump will help them economically?? That's merely one of their outlandish examples of craziness. Many of the explanations given would change dramatically if Trump again became president nd inaugurated fascism. He wouldn't redistribute income.
Gas, food prices, and everything else became twice as expensive when Biden took over. It was great for four years in a row with trump. Get over it. Get your info anywhere other than liberal-biased news that is often bought out to only show you specific things rather than the whole picture, as well as telling you what to think. This whole 'fascism' thing is hilarious. Liberals are paranoid.
metanoia and makyo, stages and certifications, i am more enlightened than you, there is a reason the old zennies would hit you with a stick for this, 'Arising and Passing Away', kundalini and Visuddhimaga, the universal field of consciousness shudders with your awakening, may all buddhas in the three worlds and ten directions renew their magnificence in your awakening of the Way and its Power
Exactly.
taxation, including sales, property and payroll, needs to be way more progressive. WAY MORE, which would put money in the pockets of the bottom 2/3rds. Plus we need reform of labor laws. The main reason labor won 8 hour day etc. was by scaring the country with the prospect of a socialist revolution. Look it up, what Teddy ad Franklin Roosevelt both feared here.
THIS MAN IS NOT ENLIGHTENED
The idea that reaching a higher stage in a ladder of enlightenment means no longer questioning the teachings of the Buddha raises a lot of alarm bells.
Any time someone says it's to complicated to get into it here and now, only proves that this person doesn't uderstand it at all.
DS-Forex .Coaching read Daniel's book. Then you can judge properly whether he understands it or not. You can find a PDF copy of it on the internet for free. And it's very good
Judge???
Enlightened person would judge?
Sorry, I can't judge.
I only know.
DS-Forex .Coaching what? I'm confused
Open your mind.
Read Daniel's book. Then you'll understand his level of attainment. The book is a great read, and it's free in pdf form as well!
I thought if you’re enlightened, you will end up becoming a monk?
I'd say it's more likely to be the other way around
@@walter_peck yeah
You become monk to get englighment
@@utkarshchannel8 you can be enlightened before you're a monk if you have enough paarami.
@@sunilmanandhar1181 that's rare,
That's why they become monk
His book Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha is one helluva boring tome. There's gotta be a better/easier way!
MCTB is one hell of a read for anyone who is interested in technical and down-to-earth issues regarding the nitty-gritty of the Buddhist path. Free online, amazed that this material has seen the light of day in the West.
And for 'me' after thirty some years of strong meditation practices with a variety of both buddhist and non-Buddhist teachers, Daniels book was the most inspiring thing i have read.
One of my favourite Dhamma books ❤
I have listened to many interviews of DI & read his stuff for some time. He is semi-interesting but a tad flaky.
lol donald trump is enlightenment's evil twin