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Would evidence of aliens be good news or bad? | Robert Wright & Robin Hanson | Nonzero Clips
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Robert Wright and economist and futurist Robin Hanson-coiner of the "Great Filter"-discuss what finding signs of extraterrestrial life would mean for the fate of humanity.
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Robin Hanson (George Mason University, The Elephant in the Brain, Overcoming Bias). Recorded April 02, 2024.
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Should AI rule the world? | Robert Wright & Paul Bloom | Nonzero Clips
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Exclusive Overtime discussion at: nonzero.substack.com/p/daniel-kahneman-and-the-rationalists Full public conversation: czcams.com/video/HWoS467b-dM/video.html Robert Wright and Paul Bloom discuss whether AI systems would make better arbiters of human affairs. Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Paul Bloom (smallpotatoes.paulbloom.net, University of Toronto, ...
Why Trump and Biden Are the Same | Robert Wright & Andrew Day | NZ Clips
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Full public conversation: czcams.com/video/XWN5aQtWh-U/video.html Robert Wright and Andrew Day discuss seeing the 2024 election through a non-zero-sum lens-and compare and contrast this view with the ideas of Francis Fukuyama. Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Andrew Day (Nonzero Newsletter). Recorded March 08, 2024. Twitter: NonzeroPods
Aaron Bushnell and the Psychology of Self-Immolation | Robert Wright & Paul Bloom | NZ Clips
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Robert Wright and psychologist Paul Bloom discuss the US airman's act of radical protest against the war in Gaza. Public conversation: czcams.com/video/oG7i1bP-DKQ/video.html Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Paul Bloom (smallpotatoes.paulbloom.net, University of Toronto, The Sweet Spot, Against Empathy). Recorded February 27, 2024. Twitter: Non...
What Drives Hamas | Robert Wright & Russ Roberts | NZ Clips
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Robert Wright and Russ Roberts, president of Shalem College in Jerusalem and host of the EconTalk podcast, discuss the role hatred plays in perpetuating the Israel-Palestine conflict. Public conversation: czcams.com/video/GeIt-eur01g/video.html Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonzero, Why Buddhism Is True) and Russ Roberts (Shalem College, EconTalk, Listening to the Siren...
Is America Doomed? | Robert Wright & Mickey Kaus | NZ Clips
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Robert Wright and Mickey Kaus discuss the troubling state of the United States. Public conversation: czcams.com/video/aO6KM-qnXU8/video.html Full Overtime discussion available to Nonzero members at: nonzero.substack.com/p/the-biden-trump-catastrophe-robert Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonzero, Why Buddhism Is True) and Mickey Kaus (kausfiles, The End of Equality). Reco...
The Sam Altman Paradox: Resolved? | Robert Wright & Reid Hoffman | NZ Clips
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Tech entrepreneur Reid Hoffman gives Robert Wright his (semi-) insider assessment of the OpenAI CEO, in light of the drama with the board. Public conversation: czcams.com/video/omzH1U8nx9A/video.html Full Overtime discussion available to Nonzero members at: nonzero.substack.com/p/techno-optimism-vs-techno-pessimism Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonzero, Why Buddhism Is ...
Psychedelics: gateway drugs to enlightenment? | Robert Wright & Kathryn Devaney | Nonzero Clips
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Robert Wright and neuroscientist Kathryn Devaney discuss psychedelics, meditation, and the pitfalls of the "not-self" doctrine. Public conversation: czcams.com/video/iGxnFhmJt2Q/video.html Full Overtime discussion available to Nonzero members at: nonzero.substack.com/p/early-access-psychedelics-meditation Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonzero, Why Buddhism Is True) and ...
A Pentagon plot to kill Kennedy? | Robert Wright & Jefferson Morley | Nonzero Clips
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Full Overtime discussion available to Nonzero members at: nonzero.substack.com/p/down-the-jfk-rabbit-hole-robert-wright Robert Wright and journalist Jefferson Morley, publisher of the JFK Facts newsletter, discuss Operation Northwoods. Public conversation: czcams.com/video/nBKUuTGJBDs/video.html JFK Facts on Substack: jfkfacts.substack.com/ Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God,...
How Meditation Changes Your Mind | Robert Wright & Kathryn Devaney | Nonzero Clips
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Robert Wright and neuroscientist Kathryn Devaney discuss the effects of meditative practice. Public conversation: czcams.com/video/iGxnFhmJt2Q/video.html Full Overtime discussion available to Nonzero members at: nonzero.substack.com/p/early-access-psychedelics-meditation Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonzero, Why Buddhism Is True) and Kathryn Devaney (The Alembic). Reco...
Can (and should) we build godlike AI? | Robert Wright & Connor Leahy | Nonzero Clips
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Robert Wright and Connor Leahy of Conjecture AI discuss the creation of artificial general intelligence aligned with human values. Public conversation: czcams.com/video/ti3YIuznuCA/video.html&ab_channel=Nonzero Full Overtime discussion available to Nonzero members at: nonzero.substack.com/p/early-access-ai-and-existential-risk#details Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonze...
Human minds vs. AI "minds" | Robert Wright & Connor Leahy | Nonzero Clips
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Full Overtime discussion available to Nonzero members at: nonzero.substack.com/p/early-access-ai-and-existential-risk#details Robert Wright and Connor Leahy of Conjecture AI discuss how closely LLMs mirror human cognition. Public conversation: czcams.com/video/ti3YIuznuCA/video.html&ab_channel=Nonzero Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonzero, Why Buddhism Is True) and Conn...
An idea too disturbing to discuss? | Robert Wright, Roko Mijic & Alexander Campbell | Nonzero Clips
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Full Overtime discussion available to Nonzero members at: nonzero.substack.com/p/early-access-is-ai-an-existential#details Rationalist writer Roko Mijic (reluctantly) explains his infamous AI "basilisk" thought experiment to Robert Wright and Rose AI CEO Alexander Campbell. Public conversation: czcams.com/video/2A9d-xwjZHo/video.html Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonzer...
What the "neurodiversity" crowd gets right | Robert Wright & Paul Bloom | Nonzero Clips
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Robert Wright and psychologist Paul Bloom question mental health orthodoxies. Full Overtime discussion available to Nonzero members at: open.substack.com/pub/nonzero... Public conversation: czcams.com/video/CUCEoV3Dc24/video.html&ab_channel=Nonzero Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonzero, Why Buddhism Is True) and Paul Bloom (University of Toronto, The Sweet Spot, Against...
Revelation or Mental Illness? | Robert Wright & David B. Yaden | Nonzero Clips
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Subscribe to Nonzero on CZcams: czcams.com/users/Nonzero Subscribe to the Nonzero Newsletter: nonzero.substack.com Robert Wright and David B. Yaden-author of a new book on spiritual experiences-discuss where to draw the line between spiritual experience and psychosis. Full episode: czcams.com/video/Hcg4WM2D8ao/video.html Robert Wright (Bloggingheads.tv, The Evolution of God, Nonzero, Why Buddhi...
Bob's Mini-Lectures: The Retributive Impulse
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Bob's Mini-Lectures: The Retributive Impulse
Bob's Mini-Lectures: The Psychology of Tribalism
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Bob's Mini-Lectures: The Psychology of Tribalism
Bob's Mini-Lectures: Attribution Error
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Bob's Mini-Lectures: Attribution Error
Bob's Mini-Lectures: Confirmation Bias
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Bob's Mini-Lectures: Confirmation Bias
Bob's Mini-Lectures: Forgiveness (and God, kind of)
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Bob's Mini-Lectures: Forgiveness (and God, kind of)
Bob's Mini-Lectures: On Emptiness (in the Buddhist Sense)
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Bob's Mini-Lectures: On Emptiness (in the Buddhist Sense)
The Dharma of Bob 8: A Cosmic View of Our Situation | Robert Wright & Josh Summers | The Wright Show
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The Dharma of Bob 8: A Cosmic View of Our Situation | Robert Wright & Josh Summers | The Wright Show
Bob's Mini-Lectures: The Trouble with a Science of Consciousness
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Bob's Mini-Lectures: The Trouble with a Science of Consciousness
Bob's Mini-Lectures: Scientific Triumphalism and the Mystery of Consciousness
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Bob's Mini-Lectures: Scientific Triumphalism and the Mystery of Consciousness
The Dharma of Bob 7: Cognitive Bias and Conflict | Robert Wright & Josh Summers | The Wright Show
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The Dharma of Bob 7: Cognitive Bias and Conflict | Robert Wright & Josh Summers | The Wright Show
Saving Anti-Wokeness from Itself | David Ottlinger & Cathy Young
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Saving Anti-Wokeness from Itself | David Ottlinger & Cathy Young
Contesting Determinism | Robert Wright & Oliver Burkeman | The Wright Show
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Contesting Determinism | Robert Wright & Oliver Burkeman | The Wright Show
The Trouble with Quantum Mechanics | Robert Wright & John Horgan | The Wright Show
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The Trouble with Quantum Mechanics | Robert Wright & John Horgan | The Wright Show
Debating the Sexual Psychology of Men and Women | Robert Wright & Agustín Fuentes | The Wright Show
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Debating the Sexual Psychology of Men and Women | Robert Wright & Agustín Fuentes | The Wright Show
Consolations of Physics | John Horgan & Sabine Hossenfelder | Mind-Body Problems
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Consolations of Physics | John Horgan & Sabine Hossenfelder | Mind-Body Problems

Komentáře

  • @Nonconceptuality
    @Nonconceptuality Před 6 dny

    I have the answer

  • @user-up5ld4pj7w
    @user-up5ld4pj7w Před 9 dny

    How to become a shaman. Never a truer word spoken. From hamster-consciousness to hari krishnerman. Snakebit from a token. Black lives matter. Mohammed and his blessings but what a childhood oy vey. Did you see his wife recently? Stunning what a picture she puts Christian in the missionary

  • @rodmartin6914
    @rodmartin6914 Před 12 dny

    I think Joshua Rasmussen was being very disingenuous in this interview, hiding the fact that he's starting from an evangelical Christian faith perspective. That was obvious to me from the beginning, but Daniel Kaufman seemed to be oblivious to it.

  • @Champfosho
    @Champfosho Před 23 dny

    Because you have to have these types of discussions it just shows there is a contradiction. Thanks for making it so confusing All knowing God.

  • @knowsutrue
    @knowsutrue Před 24 dny

    Very limited knowledge or discussion of all the ways mindfulness can be applied. That said- the wellness industry in general is crap consumerism.

  • @pwagzzz
    @pwagzzz Před měsícem

    Q. If nothing ever happened, no cause or effects, no events at all. Would time still exist? Or is time simply an artifact to measure a series of events as they occur?

  • @organizedmicrowave4414
    @organizedmicrowave4414 Před měsícem

    Why dont they just set up a camera to record the measurement with no one in the room? If the wave collapses still, then it's just the act if measuring. If it's still there, then consciousness, or internalized observation is involved.

  • @jamestroyer7024
    @jamestroyer7024 Před měsícem

    We have to love ourselves before we can love others

  • @Somethingiswrngwthu
    @Somethingiswrngwthu Před měsícem

    I think a civilization advanced beyond death AND with that beyond emotions. Those go hand in hand. To break up the monotony of forever, they go into a hyper realistic simulator with pain, suffering, emotions, mortality and live a life just as we are now.

  • @branimirsalevic5092
    @branimirsalevic5092 Před měsícem

    Nirvana.

  • @RK-ob4xq
    @RK-ob4xq Před měsícem

    Why have a guest on the show if you’re never going to let him speak 😅😅😅😅

  • @cpg-fx7ew
    @cpg-fx7ew Před měsícem

    Sam Harris is dead wrong

  • @mattanderson6672
    @mattanderson6672 Před měsícem

    Brilliant discussion, thank you

  • @xmaseveeve5259
    @xmaseveeve5259 Před měsícem

    Not all women have children.

  • @miriamhavard7621
    @miriamhavard7621 Před měsícem

    No..........., not fully accurate even in the first five minutes.

  • @LuckyInCards
    @LuckyInCards Před 2 měsíci

    Very enjoyable and informative ... thank you

  • @terrizittritsch745
    @terrizittritsch745 Před 2 měsíci

    Why can’t we all have such discussions, putting aside that few are as intelligent and well spoken on the subject as these two? Great debate/discussion. I sit on Sam Harris side of the argument.

  • @chadreilly
    @chadreilly Před 2 měsíci

    Seems inefficient, if not stupefying, not to think of other things while your walking or sitting, etc. And she divorced another meditation teacher? What gives?

  • @chadreilly
    @chadreilly Před 2 měsíci

    Seems like the bait is the loss of suffering. The switch is you just get to look at suffering long and more closely, and describe it more charitably, if pretentiously. Kinda lame. Anyway, sorry this is 4 years late but I'm half way through Bob's book now, and came to her part. Anyway, giving the book a 5/10, her testimony here a 2.

  • @chadreilly
    @chadreilly Před 2 měsíci

    Why did she change her name? Oh, Kundalini, lol, interesting cult. Did you know they literally chant Satans name? So weird

  • @chadreilly
    @chadreilly Před 2 měsíci

    Is she liberated? Sounds like no. Same as Joseph Goldstein. Lot of double talk in this religion. Anyone else notice?

  • @didjesbydan
    @didjesbydan Před 2 měsíci

    How in the world can he say rebirth is not easily naturalized?! The rebirth of egoic delusion or appropriative grasping happens even multiple times within one day of living life, not to mention a week, a month, a year or a decade. Rebirth is one of the easiest ideas to psychologize and thus naturalize. Not sure how one does not see that.

  • @davecurry8305
    @davecurry8305 Před 2 měsíci

    Can I be a a physycysist?

  • @davecurry8305
    @davecurry8305 Před 2 měsíci

    Physics is dull.

  • @chadreilly
    @chadreilly Před 2 měsíci

    Evidently she and Ram Dass' guru hasn't read the Vedas. In it, it's clear that spirituality most certainly came to India in the form of a substance as well. Seems to me meditation has been riding psychedelics skirttails ever since. Not to say meditation is of no value, but this whole self-annihilation talk, and having "a separate self you put forward" makes Buddhism sound like an acquired dissociative disorder. I can't help but notice that enlightenment seems a fool's errand. And, obviously, meditation retreats didn't stop Goenka from overeating.

  • @keith3362
    @keith3362 Před 2 měsíci

    Nowhere in the Bible is universal salvation taught. Quite the opposite even from the mouth of Jesus himself.

  • @kengemmer
    @kengemmer Před 2 měsíci

    Bob the Nonzero party candidate? Slogan: It’s all negotiable!

  • @oldoddjobs
    @oldoddjobs Před 2 měsíci

    Always fun to hear from these apostates

  • @thesondownstudio8429
    @thesondownstudio8429 Před 2 měsíci

    Spirit of Judas...www were all in...Huck Tuck soft disclosed....Tman talk to The Queen of Heaven.

  • @Susieq26754
    @Susieq26754 Před 3 měsíci

    It's all a delusion. Blackrock-Larry Fink is running the USA.

  • @fmvalada
    @fmvalada Před 3 měsíci

    16:43

  • @cloudoftime
    @cloudoftime Před 3 měsíci

    So, I _am_ some weird guy who "just woke up thinking this" (prior to philosophical training), and even after digging into these concepts for years I still have the same questions. How do oughts obtain stance-independently? What could that even mean? You don't even need to say, "I _deny_ that oughts are doing anything." The realist is not substantiating normativity, or even a fictionalist utility of normativity (and of course they couldn't promote the latter). What does an antirealist need to do to get an explanation beyond simply, "it seems like moral normativity is non-naturalistically real"? Antirealism is exhaustively explanatory and elegant. It also seems more accurate. It makes me question myself constantly to see that realism is the majority view among so many well-respected thinkers in philosophy. I agree entirely with the notion that realist terminology is simply rhetorical persuasion speech acts based in wishful confidence.

  • @jamesgorham8170
    @jamesgorham8170 Před 3 měsíci

    If I remember right this dude is creepy.

  • @p0indexter624
    @p0indexter624 Před 3 měsíci

    agree its bad news. i doubt aliens want to hang out w us having observed us. aaand what do they make of what they observe. here's the likely situation, some humans have had contact w aliens in an official capacity and were admonished to never confirm their existence to society or humanity will face mortal consequences. what if those who are denying their existence and running interference against disclosure are actually saving humanity from destruction?

  • @grahamcmusic
    @grahamcmusic Před 3 měsíci

    I find him an annoying interviewer

  • @ThebigbrAIn-ps7qd
    @ThebigbrAIn-ps7qd Před 3 měsíci

    I recently asked ChatGPT to create the rules to the game of life. The parameters I gave it were that the aim of the game is to evolve, the rules can be made up as you go along and the game board is infinite in all dimensions. The resulting conversation was quite profound! czcams.com/video/60IPkzydX2M/video.htmlsi=vq-G3WjxbHRxopuF

  • @ctcboater
    @ctcboater Před 3 měsíci

    Every complex problem has a complex and imperfect solution. There will always be unsatisfied people on both sides, leading to a continuation of the debate and perhaps creating a new conflict. We're screwed...

  • @chadreilly
    @chadreilly Před 3 měsíci

    This one's incredibly good of Sam.

  • @TheWizard10008
    @TheWizard10008 Před 3 měsíci

    Resting pouty face.

  • @NewJerusalem145
    @NewJerusalem145 Před 3 měsíci

    Occulms Razor

  • @elizabethraper3963
    @elizabethraper3963 Před 3 měsíci

    Thanks. That's as clear as it gets when it comes to Whitehead philosophy and theology. 👍🥹

  • @aresmars2003
    @aresmars2003 Před 3 měsíci

    “When we want to believe something, we ask ourselves, "Can I believe it?" Then, we search for supporting evidence, and if we find even a single piece of pseudo-evidence, we can stop thinking. We now have permission to believe. We have justification, in case anyone asks. In contrast, when we don't want to believe something, we ask ourselves, "Must I believe it?" Then we search for contrary evidence, and if we find a single reason to doubt the claim, we can dismiss it.” ― Jonathan Haidt, The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion

  • @aresmars2003
    @aresmars2003 Před 3 měsíci

    George W Bush Dallas 2016 Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples, while judging ourselves by our best intentions. And this has strained our bonds of understanding and common purpose. But Americans, I think, have a great advantage. To renew our unity, we only need to remember our values. We have never been held together by blood or background. We are bound by things of the spirit, by shared commitments to common ideals.

  • @elliotpolanco159
    @elliotpolanco159 Před 4 měsíci

    Charlmers continues to blow our minds. He might be the greatest philosopher in history

  • @ganeshaa23
    @ganeshaa23 Před 4 měsíci

    I think Evan just needs a hug...

  • @5ty717
    @5ty717 Před 4 měsíci

    Word salad interviewer incapacity

  • @johndorch2333
    @johndorch2333 Před 4 měsíci

    You are nuts.

  • @idegteke
    @idegteke Před 4 měsíci

    I just don’t understand how this two utterly incompatible expression “quantum” and “mechanics” could ever meet in a single expression. This expression, in itself, has a dual nature:)

    • @idegteke
      @idegteke Před 3 měsíci

      ​ @LisaBlooper Mechanics: “the branch of applied mathematics dealing with motion and forces producing motion”, quantum: “a discrete quantity of energy proportional in magnitude to the frequency of the radiation it represents” but what’s actually meant was more like subatomic particles - Now, since “quanta” or rather subatomic particles don’t always seem to have a full set of independently defined physical attributes (like spatial position, momentum) and don’t necessarily interact with all forces, it is not a logically sound idea to try to apply mechanics to them, while mechanics deals with mathematically computable changes in spatial position (which some quanta don’t even have) in connection to forces applied on them (some of which forces might not even effect some “quanta”). Please help me to understand how these two (like weight of colors, almost) could ever form a single expression to begin with. (I can see your blood pressure rising:)

  • @jaredangell5017
    @jaredangell5017 Před 4 měsíci

    China is done bro

  • @david_porthouse
    @david_porthouse Před 4 měsíci

    The collapse of the wave function is very likely to be a nonlinear process, for which computer simulation is needed. Any simulation needs to make use of a random number generator. I believe I am stating the obvious. I will propose in outline how to go about it. This is likely to be a long posting, I am afraid, but I am going to offer a tentative solution to the measurement problem. Our first difficulty is that the Schrödinger equation, or any equation like it, is extremely accurate at the ensemble level and we can take it for granted that the modification of it is forbidden. There is nothing resembling the viscosity term to be found in the Navier-Stokes equation. And yet we need to inject some randomness. There are two ways to do it. *The first way* is to hypothesise that some nonlocal degree of freedom is involved, so even if we know nothing about Bell's Theorem we could have guessed it anyway. Just playing around with the Minkowski formalism, we notice that there is more than one way to travel faster than light. I suggest that the Schrödinger equation describes an oscillation in one of the ways which is capable of destructive interference with itself. We can have an orthogonal tachyonic Wiener process in the other way, which I will just call tachyonic Brownian motion (TBM). This comes into action during the nonlinear interaction between the wave function and the electromagnetic field, and can then lead to an outcome which does not have an issue with Schrödinger's cat. No aetiology is proposed for this TBM and I am guessing that it is quantified by having the Planck time as its characteristic time. What else? Nitrogen tri-iodide has the unique property that it is so unstable that it can be detonated by an alpha particle from a substance like polonium-210. Nitrogen trifluoride is stable by contrast. A computer simulation of tri-iodide under bombardment needs to have an outcome which is qualitatively different from the trifluoride. In any well-written simulation the trifluoride behaviour will be isentropic, but with the tri-iodide there will be a destruction of unitarity and a substantial rise in specific entropy. It is suggested that the missing ingredient in the simulation is TBM, which being normally orthogonal is dormant in the trifluoride, but is sufficient to detonate the tri-iodide once an electromagnetic field is also present. This is a second order nonlinear effect and is like a random walk along the edge of a cliff. In other cases all this effect needs to do is to disrupt the Poincaré cycle or to initiate the Kelvin-Helmholtz or similar instability. Two molecules of nitrogen tri-iodide are in fact a detector in the classical sense, and constitute the smallest detector that I can think of. What is called the Heisenberg cut comes between one and two molecules of tri-iodide. Maybe in the future somebody will think of a smaller detector, but it won't really affect the argument to be given here. The computer simulation of two molecules of tri-iodide will need to run in at least twenty four dimensions of configuration space, just counting atoms. This is impossible in practice, and gives us a hint of what we are up against. All detectors are just too complicated to model by the formal method using TBM. We really do need a detector to get the collapse of the wave function in our simulation, but we must adopt other ideas. *The second way* to reconcile the immutability of the Schrödinger equation to the need to use a random number generator involves a bit of handwaving. We just throw away the Schrödinger equation and replace it by a classical system with some ordinary Brownian motion for any object heavier than the Planck mass. The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is replaced by the Fürth Uncertainty Principle on the same scale, so hardly anyone will notice. Yes, it is indeed cheating, but we have TBM as an aetiology and no known practical alternative. Classical BM will be much more disruptive than TBM and of course we are reinventing decoherence. We shouldn't have much trouble collapsing wave functions using it in our simulations. The usual objection to decoherence is the lack of any means of destroying unitarity in any closed system, which has been answered by proposing TBM as the aetiology. If we have an electron in a potential well, then the electron is modelled by the Dirac equation plus TBM. The electromagnetic field is modelled by correlated TBM so the wave function and the electromagnetic field working together can act like a nonlocal Vernam cipher. The potential well is considered to be a dimple in a heavy object so it is modelled with a bit of classical BM. I have already written a little computer simulation of the Dirac wave packet, and I am guessing that the propensity of the monochromatic wave packet to be a tachyon is also going to be significant. The Courant-Friedrichs-Levy condition could be difficult to deal with in the simulation of nonlocal behaviour, that behaviour being of more significance than just a moiré pattern. Output from any program will be to a cinematic loop display. Buttons will be provided to replay the loop, to do a time reversal, and to do a Lorentz boost. A side effect of pressing any button will be to reseed the random number generator in use, probably the Mersenne twister, by reference to the time of pressing the button. This is the "Protean system" and it ensures that we can simulate nonlocal phenomena without worrying about causality. A Lorentz transformation might give the appearance of being able to swap nonlocal cause and effect, but only on a new random event. I intend to put a series of computer simulations in the public domain which anyone will be able to modify. If they wish, they can rip out TBM and install some other way of doing things. What has been described here is the projected solution to the measurement problem as we start our programming. We will just have to see how we get on. In summary, adding a random number generator to any computer simulation of quantum mechanics is likely to require two different methods in practice. One is pitched at nonlocal work, the other at the collapse of the wave function. The single use of a RNG is conceivable in principle, but we lack the computer power to pursue it. I do not have any new equation to propose, and there isn't one.