George W Bush Dallas 2016 Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples, while judging ourselves by our best intentions. And this has strained our bonds of understanding and common purpose. But Americans, I think, have a great advantage. To renew our unity, we only need to remember our values. We have never been held together by blood or background. We are bound by things of the spirit, by shared commitments to common ideals.
“When we want to believe something, we ask ourselves, "Can I believe it?" Then, we search for supporting evidence, and if we find even a single piece of pseudo-evidence, we can stop thinking. We now have permission to believe. We have justification, in case anyone asks. In contrast, when we don't want to believe something, we ask ourselves, "Must I believe it?" Then we search for contrary evidence, and if we find a single reason to doubt the claim, we can dismiss it.” ― Jonathan Haidt, The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion
Actually, historically, most literal tribes were in fairly constant conflict with-were at fairly constant war with-other tribes. Also, the word "tribe" comes from outside, not inside, so-called "tribes." Indeed, each so-called "tribe" has its own term-its own indigenous term-to describe & define itself; the word "tribe" isn't indigenous to any so-called tribe, hence being offended (or pretending to be offended) by the social & psychological term "tribalism" is intellectually misplaced at best, grievance studies-esque performative "offense" at worst.
@@franksting I understood Bob's short talk, and agree with his main points, agree with his overall argument. I was only commenting on the short part (near the beginning) where his "meaning well" was getting in the way of his thinking clearly,
The "tri" in "tribe" etc. of course means "3", and is originally a reference to the three political factions of...ancient Rome. Yep. So the origin of "tribalism" et. al. is European. Native/First Nations peoples have every right to be offended by the horrors of European/colonial behavior, but the use of tribe/tribal/tribalism for discussions on politics or of any conflict/differences between in-groups is proper.
hmm, feels like a strawman? your explanation is already what I think of as "tribalism". I don't know anyone who uses "the hollywood image of tribal warfare" for this, why would that have anything to do with this?
Another terrific mini-lecture. These are real gems.
Well done. I like the way it didn't just take a side.
George W Bush Dallas 2016
Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples, while judging ourselves by our best intentions. And this has strained our bonds of understanding and common purpose. But Americans, I think, have a great advantage. To renew our unity, we only need to remember our values.
We have never been held together by blood or background. We are bound by things of the spirit, by shared commitments to common ideals.
“When we want to believe something, we ask ourselves, "Can I believe it?" Then, we search for supporting evidence, and if we find even a single piece of pseudo-evidence, we can stop thinking. We now have permission to believe. We have justification, in case anyone asks. In contrast, when we don't want to believe something, we ask ourselves, "Must I believe it?" Then we search for contrary evidence, and if we find a single reason to doubt the claim, we can dismiss it.”
― Jonathan Haidt, The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion
Actually, historically, most literal tribes were in fairly constant conflict with-were at fairly constant war with-other tribes. Also, the word "tribe" comes from outside, not inside, so-called "tribes." Indeed, each so-called "tribe" has its own term-its own indigenous term-to describe & define itself; the word "tribe" isn't indigenous to any so-called tribe, hence being offended (or pretending to be offended) by the social & psychological term "tribalism" is intellectually misplaced at best, grievance studies-esque performative "offense" at worst.
Congrats, “Well Actually”, you’ve long-windedly explained how much you’ve misunderstood the talk. Perhaps listen again?
@@franksting I understood Bob's short talk, and agree with his main points, agree with his overall argument. I was only commenting on the short part (near the beginning) where his "meaning well" was getting in the way of his thinking clearly,
Excellent!
The "tri" in "tribe" etc. of course means "3", and is originally a reference to the three political factions of...ancient Rome. Yep. So the origin of "tribalism" et. al. is European. Native/First Nations peoples have every right to be offended by the horrors of European/colonial behavior, but the use of tribe/tribal/tribalism for discussions on politics or of any conflict/differences between in-groups is proper.
Beautiful
Tribalism help tribe members identify the who will be scapegoated.
hmm, feels like a strawman? your explanation is already what I think of as "tribalism". I don't know anyone who uses "the hollywood image of tribal warfare" for this, why would that have anything to do with this?