Matt Taibbi -one of the country"s most dogged, insatiable and valuable truth tellers! Investigative journalism at its very finest! Thank you Matt! The government should be offering Matt a consultant job regarding media matters not threatening him with jail! ....but then it's the government and our expectations just keep dropping... how low can they set the bar?
This guy is a hero. He is absolutely correct, If they will do it with you, they will do it to you. No one has ever said what Trump asked to be taken down. Does anyone know?
@@Horsemanray Who’s getting handed things? Certainly not the poor or working people. Nobody can live long enough or work hard enough to earn a $billion dollars. Seems to me, right off the top, billionaires are one demographic being handed things.
@@radscorpion8 he was given data which he had to go through and figure out what it was and where the crimes were and who was involved .. so no , he wasnt just given the facts .... he found them amongst million pages of data ... so what you say is just crying BS cause your echo platform has been exposed as govt , intell , controlled propaganda ...
@@radscorpion8 you’ve taken the quote out of context. Try and do a bit of research before you run your mouth. It was in reference to journalists spoon fed by the military.
"The two real political parties in America are the Winners and the Losers. The people don't acknowledge this. They claim membership in two imaginary parties, the Republicans and the Democrats, instead." - Kurt Vonnegut
Great job young man. I emailed myself this video so that I can show my first year college student granddaughter along with your Canadian debate and the Twitter files so that she can learn to navigate the coming new illusionary reality. Again thank you
Thanks for hosting Matt Taibbi. He has so much integrity as a journalist, anyone who place obstacles to truth telling are exposing themselves as the hacks they are. Truth and freedom of speech are absolutes. Way to go, Matt!🔥👍🏼
He did in the last question say he does NOT belief freedom of speech is "absolute." Let's just say truth is absolute, freedom of speech is necessary for that and is required for any free society.
@@Horsemanray There was no use of the word "hack" in that quote. Tell me, do you think the information in the Twitter files is not legitimate information? AFAIK there has been no lawsuit threatened by those whose communications were revealed. I think the term hack is more appropriately applied to you.
@@Horsemanray A journalist who isn’t handed anything from his sources would simply be an opinion columnist. I don’t know who you are but it’s evident that you aren’t on the side of the American people.
His speech was so good and I love how he tied in the circumstance of being invited by the Buckley Institute to the beautiful story about Buckley and Ira Glasser. I've been following the Twitter Files developments very closely on an almost daily basis since the start, but I need to hear it explained over and over and over again to digest it. Thank you for having him speak and putting the recording online so everyone can listen to it. It's such balm for the soul to hear people being very polite and respectful to Matt. Warm his heart, give him hope and strength to go on. His fight is all of ours.
@@wendiepayne1455 The dude is a liar and bought by elon musk and whoever else will pay him. You're a conservative that would have hated him prior to him being bought out. He should be ashamed of himself
@A DEK Yes exhausting to live in this world. I am 73 Years old it's exhausting to live in this world but Salvation is I will die, you young people will suffer when the great monster dies: I refer to American Manifest Destiny, the mass murders on First Nations and White Supremacist Ideology --our Victims World Wide will Literally Dance on your Graves after the Great Reset- Your lives will be similar to Aktion T4 a campaign of mass murder by involuntary euthanasia in Nazi Germany. American citizens who had been involved in the killings and all You who are Americans will be given a taste of what We Jews have suffered 2000 Years. Your Churches of White Supremacist and the 'Jesus Fake Salvation was a excuse to Murder Non Believers. God Damn You American Psychopaths .
I am so glad to you Matt Taibbi . You did such a great job on the Twitter Files. Despite the arrogance and obvious tension and pointless arrogant condescending attitude of the democrats. Thank you!!
The reason why the establishment thinks Matt is dangerous is because he represents critical thinking and once you start critically thinking you understand how corrupted your surroundings are, like the government.
This is what needs to happen. Unite along specific issues where there is agreement. Ignore the other unrelated issues you disagree on for the entire duration of the work. Deliberate and come to an action. Take said action together. Duh...
As thoughtful and intelligent as it gets. Bravo Matt!! I grew up 60 years ago watching Firing Line w my liberal parents, and I remember Wm F debating James Baldwin at was it Oxford U. I also remember the Wm F said he never talks about politics etc outside of his show (do I remember that right?). Good on you all for being open to the widest variety of viewpoints and hosting Matt!!
He looks and sounds very nervous. Poor guy. I respect his writing. He does his job. He goes after anyone of power, note, or wealth, trying his best to never punch down. He was no where near this nervous in front of congressional talking heads. Which is good since those are the very fools he chases down and holds to their clumsy attempts at wit but instead offend the constitution and bill of rights with nearly every word. Thank you Sir.
We know he's been threatened with jail and very likely fears for his life. I'm sure you know of Seth Rich, Julian Assange, and the Cl!nton Body Count...
Especially when it's now being understood that Woodward and Bernstein didn't "break" a huge story about Nixon and corruption and instead those reporters were "given: the story by the head of the FBI and the burglers who were busted breaking into the Democratic Party headquarters....3 of those guys were working with the CIA at the time of the break in. The whole Watergate incident is looking more and more like the whole effort to get rid of Donald Trump. The burglary was a whole set up to out Nixon, probably in retaliation for the governments effort to get rid of JFK.
Prosecuted for what? I don't think Congress will have passed any laws making it a crime for people working for the FBI to send emails to people working at Twitter. No, people choose to forfeit their rights and freedoms whenever they believe they have an enemy who gets more out of those rights than they do themselves. This whole complex is something that has really been developing since 9/11, initially used for spying on muslims until the Snowden leaks, when the Obama admin responded by moving the control apparatus into the private sector, which would simply "co-ordinate" with the government agencies rather than those agencies have direct back-door access to telecoms and internet servers. It's that co-ordination that you're seeing the fruits of here.
Objectivity in journalism aims to help the audience make up their own mind about a story, providing the facts alone and then letting audiences interpret those on their own. I would hope the average person would be extremely disturbed by this information and want to know our intelligence department is colluding with big tech to censor information.
@Google Sucks Ass Government shutting down information that exposes government deception is pretty important. Its important enough for them to send out their pathetic bootlicking trolls to try to attack it.
Matt let himself be slaughtered by a deeply dishonest actor. Glenn Greenwald would have made mince meat of the slimy Mehdi Hasan. Matt is one of the last true journalists. He must protect himself better.
"Getting to the bottom of it" will neccesitate eradicating the ringleaders . There is no way to change things while leaving these monsters in control. To get them to release control will not be achieved with a kind word or any words at all. It will take force. I suspect Taabi's sensibilities would prevent him from acknowkedging that plain fact.
The point is, as Taibbi alludes toward the end of the Q and A, is that long established laws already exist to protect people against abuse. Much of the the time they're ignored and/or not prosecuted, but that shouldn't be used as an excuse - which it is increasingly - to introduce ever more Draconian laws.
The origin and meaning of the term pre-dates the United States, but in the U.S. it has never meant a “fourth branch of (the) government“. Quite the opposite - it is another ‘center of power‘ whose independence FROM the government is explicitly established by the First Amendment. I THINK I understand what you intended to communicate... i.e. a ‘fourth estate‘ that is independent and free from government control, coercion, and interference used to be considered absolutely essential to good governance, but I wanted to clarify, as what Mr. Taibbi is understandably deeply alarmed about is the subsuming of the ‘free‘ press INTO the government. The corporate state has already largely succeeded in this takeover in regards to ‘mainstream‘ corporate media, and the Twitter files only demonstrate that they intend to do the same to ALL forms of mass communication. Goebbels and Stalin would be very pleased.
@@larryromberg5695 The press was referred to as the "fourth estate" as if it was another branch of government through which the people could act.. Remember.. of the people .by the people ..for the people? Technically our governments are servants of the people..not our leaders....Of course, the news media is not technically another branch of government.. However, your point is well taken... Especially about what the media/press has turned into..
Great talk about this very important issue. I've shared articles on the Censorship Industrial Complex on Facebook, publicly, and received zero responses. When I share photos of landscapes, however, many of my "friends" see and like them. I'm 100% certain that Facebook is suppressing my non-photo posts.
How hard would it have been to show us the source documents on these files instead of screenshots and texts that is something that should matter we should always want that would they still be threatening to throw a journalist in prison
This is such a rich area to be mined. People who have access to the data could earn doctorate degrees showing how ideas which exerted great influence started and how they were shaped.
They Flag Desecration Argument ignores Christianity's prohibition of idolatry and polytheism. The Constitution's provision separating Church &State makes the concept of a "sacred relic" absurd.
I treat people the way they treat me and the color of their skin has nothing to do with who a person is or acts. We are all individuals and held accountable for our actions, not the actions of others.
The Dominion reference just cements why these types can never not be the root of the problem, how do you defame an unaccountable corporation who runs elections without transparency. These are the new thoughtless norms.
Plus Dominion is a shareholder in Fox so they can pretend like they fighting but whatever settlement comes out of it remains in the club because at the end of the day what they don't want to happen is people to start asking questions on how the elections really work. US election process is a complete joke.
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Taibbi speaking for an hour, without interruption. Count me in.
Yeah. Nobody to call him on his BS.
@@bidhrohi12 Bring on the tears. Imagine crying because a corporation got exposed, lel.
@@Horsemanray Elon didn’t say much. Just showed the receipts, which makes you cry intensely for some reason.
@@Horsemanray Could be that not everyone is a celebrity-worshipping dolt? There are other reasons to want to criticize government and corporations
@@bidhrohi12 paid shill
It is great that he finally has a place to speak that goes without interruption and manipulation.
Brave as f*ck.
An extremely rare journalist who actually believes in upholding the ultimate integrity of his profession.
Matt is such fresh air in this discussion.
He feels so insanly leveled headed regarding media and current political dynamics.
Matt Taibbi -one of the country"s most dogged, insatiable and valuable truth tellers! Investigative journalism at its very finest! Thank you Matt! The government should be offering Matt a consultant job regarding media matters not threatening him with jail! ....but then it's the government and our expectations just keep dropping... how low can they set the bar?
Miriana Trench?
One of the most important stories of the last 20 years.
I fear for our children and grandchildren if we dont get a handle on this.
This guy is a hero. He is absolutely correct, If they will do it with you, they will do it to you. No one has ever said what Trump asked to be taken down. Does anyone know?
Some bullshit tweet from chrissy teigen.
We don't know, but they took down Trump!
youtube hiding your replies
Yes I can't see the replies either
Waiting for the plebs to get here wailing and crying to silence this man. It's pathetic to watch these zombies not seeing the Dystopia we are in.
@@Horsemanray Who’s getting handed things? Certainly not the poor or working people. Nobody can live long enough or work hard enough to earn a $billion dollars. Seems to me, right off the top, billionaires are one demographic being handed things.
@@Zeupater its a reference to taibbi being handed information by musk, and therefore his hypocrisy
@@radscorpion8 he was given data which he had to go through and figure out what it was and where the crimes were and who was involved .. so no , he wasnt just given the facts .... he found them amongst million pages of data ... so what you say is just crying BS cause your echo platform has been exposed as govt , intell , controlled propaganda ...
@@radscorpion8 you’ve taken the quote out of context. Try and do a bit of research before you run your mouth. It was in reference to journalists spoon fed by the military.
@@Rootcauses451 It's literally what he said.
Thanks for the truth matt
This was fantastic! Thank you Matt and thank you W F Buckeley centre
"The two real political parties in America are the Winners and the Losers. The people don't acknowledge this. They claim membership in two imaginary parties, the Republicans and the Democrats, instead." - Kurt Vonnegut
Taibbi is great. Corporate and government trolls online trying to discredit him.
(((Soros))) paid me 8 million
Another reply that is gone what is happening?
@@blancabrougher5381 hypocritical right wing rube censorship
Great job young man. I emailed myself this video so that I can show my first year college student granddaughter along with your Canadian debate and the Twitter files so that she can learn to navigate the coming new illusionary reality. Again thank you
Thanks for hosting Matt Taibbi. He has so much integrity as a journalist, anyone who place obstacles to truth telling are exposing themselves as the hacks they are. Truth and freedom of speech are absolutes. Way to go, Matt!🔥👍🏼
@@googlenazicompany5935 Back your assertion up with some evidence of STFU.
He did in the last question say he does NOT belief freedom of speech is "absolute." Let's just say truth is absolute, freedom of speech is necessary for that and is required for any free society.
😂
@Google Sucks Ass another paid shill
@@googlenazicompany5935care to give examples
Dear Mother Nature please protect this man from fools.
@@Horsemanray There was no use of the word "hack" in that quote. Tell me, do you think the information in the Twitter files is not legitimate information? AFAIK there has been no lawsuit threatened by those whose communications were revealed. I think the term hack is more appropriately applied to you.
@@Horsemanray sure thing, pathetic government shill
@@Horsemanrayyou're pathetic. What in the Twitter files is untrue?
@@Horsemanray A journalist who isn’t handed anything from his sources would simply be an opinion columnist. I don’t know who you are but it’s evident that you aren’t on the side of the American people.
Super glad to see that free speech is not dead in all the halls of higher learning.
Thank you so much for having him!
Superb fellow!
What a striking difference between a ‘liberal’ campus listening to someone not of their own and this one.
Matt is someone who I’d believe in a heartbeat, over any other working, writing and thinking journalist.
Over a thinking journalist? That's scary
Matt Taibbi may go down in history as one of the biggest heroes of the freedom of speech!
His speech was so good and I love how he tied in the circumstance of being invited by the Buckley Institute to the beautiful story about Buckley and Ira Glasser. I've been following the Twitter Files developments very closely on an almost daily basis since the start, but I need to hear it explained over and over and over again to digest it. Thank you for having him speak and putting the recording online so everyone can listen to it. It's such balm for the soul to hear people being very polite and respectful to Matt. Warm his heart, give him hope and strength to go on. His fight is all of ours.
Well said!
Here here!
Well Done Matt - Thanks again for your courage and willingness to step forward. BLess Your Heart!
Can never get enough matt
Matt is a great journalist! He has always been Provably correct. I appreciate him and trust his word❤️☮️🇺🇸
wrong
@@matthewgraziano2671 Interesting. How so?
@@wendiepayne1455 The dude is a liar and bought by elon musk and whoever else will pay him. You're a conservative that would have hated him prior to him being bought out. He should be ashamed of himself
Really? czcams.com/video/Z84HvPBhmTc/video.html
Horse manure.
This stuff is HUGE! Keep digging and please place a sphere of protection around this man, his family & his colleagues🙏✌️🌟❣️
Great guy, this Taibbi dude. Keep up the good work.
when do we get the MASTER LIST of shadowbanned accts❔❔
Your discussion of how people come to read the news that they feel is manipulative was spot on. It is exhausting
to live in this world.
@A DEK Yes exhausting to live in this world. I am 73 Years old it's exhausting
to live in this world but Salvation is I will die, you young people will suffer when the great monster dies: I refer to American Manifest Destiny, the mass murders on First Nations and White Supremacist Ideology --our Victims World Wide will Literally Dance on your Graves after the Great Reset- Your lives will be similar to Aktion T4 a campaign of mass murder by involuntary euthanasia in Nazi Germany. American citizens who had been involved in the killings and all You who are Americans will be given a taste of what We Jews have suffered 2000 Years. Your Churches of White Supremacist and the 'Jesus Fake Salvation was a excuse to Murder Non Believers. God Damn You American Psychopaths .
It is exhausting. Humanity is a fatally flawed creature.
Excellent and eye-opening reporting. Thank you!
14:15 "I'm old enough to have gone to college in the Soviet Union" wow, I didn't realize how old he was.
He looks young.
This is a true journalist, and Patriot! Thank you Matt! 🇺🇸
Nicely done, Matt
I am so glad to you Matt Taibbi . You did such a great job on the Twitter Files. Despite the arrogance and obvious tension and pointless arrogant condescending attitude of the democrats. Thank you!!
Thank you for everything you have done mr Taibbi
I live 20 minutes away from yale I can't believe I missed the chance to see you live
Excellent & a pleasure to watch.
Bravo good sir
Thanks for recording but please fix the audio next time! It's only in one ear.
And the audio is very low. Both things easy to fix.
Thank you to Matt for his excellent reporting and his courage.
This had nothing to do with Trump,
It was happening long before he even decided to run
This started in the 60s. Remember "0peration M0ckingbird"? Plebs think it stopped. No, you idi0ts! Social Media IS "0perati0n M0ckingbird".
Matt Taibbi🙂 ...Seems like such a sweet and genuine person! So likable!
The reason why the establishment thinks Matt is dangerous is because he represents critical thinking and once you start critically thinking you understand how corrupted your surroundings are, like the government.
Important speech, Thank You.
What a great opening story about cooperation between people who have different political opinions. And the q & a session was informative.
Thank you Matt !!!
This is what needs to happen. Unite along specific issues where there is agreement. Ignore the other unrelated issues you disagree on for the entire duration of the work. Deliberate and come to an action. Take said action together. Duh...
Trump is not an outsider.
Trump is a Zionist puppet just like Biden is.
As thoughtful and intelligent as it gets. Bravo Matt!! I grew up 60 years ago watching Firing Line w my liberal parents, and I remember Wm F debating James Baldwin at was it Oxford U. I also remember the Wm F said he never talks about politics etc outside of his show (do I remember that right?). Good on you all for being open to the widest variety of viewpoints and hosting Matt!!
This is so important 🙏🏻💚
Mat always does great work, the sound was a little low but.
He looks and sounds very nervous. Poor guy. I respect his writing. He does his job. He goes after anyone of power, note, or wealth, trying his best to never punch down. He was no where near this nervous in front of congressional talking heads. Which is good since those are the very fools he chases down and holds to their clumsy attempts at wit but instead offend the constitution and bill of rights with nearly every word. Thank you Sir.
We know he's been threatened with jail and very likely fears for his life. I'm sure you know of Seth Rich, Julian Assange, and the Cl!nton Body Count...
Attempts at wit??? "I want my time back." lol
... excellent talk ... and I am equally impressed by the audience and the interesting questions asked ... what a rare "thing" these days ... 👍 ...
🥰Awesome job, Mr. Taibbi
Is anyone going to get prosecuted? McCarthy and Nixon are angels in comparison
Especially when it's now being understood that Woodward and Bernstein didn't "break" a huge story about Nixon and corruption and instead those reporters were "given: the story by the head of the FBI and the burglers who were busted breaking into the Democratic Party headquarters....3 of those guys were working with the CIA at the time of the break in. The whole Watergate incident is looking more and more like the whole effort to get rid of Donald Trump. The burglary was a whole set up to out Nixon, probably in retaliation for the governments effort to get rid of JFK.
Prosecuted for what? I don't think Congress will have passed any laws making it a crime for people working for the FBI to send emails to people working at Twitter. No, people choose to forfeit their rights and freedoms whenever they believe they have an enemy who gets more out of those rights than they do themselves. This whole complex is something that has really been developing since 9/11, initially used for spying on muslims until the Snowden leaks, when the Obama admin responded by moving the control apparatus into the private sector, which would simply "co-ordinate" with the government agencies rather than those agencies have direct back-door access to telecoms and internet servers. It's that co-ordination that you're seeing the fruits of here.
Excellent, except the audio issues. You could fix those issues and re-upload. More people need to listen to this.
Seems like they uploaded it only to one channel of stereo field.
Excellent Matt Taibi!!!
Yes, he’s going to tell the truth
A real hero
Event 201!
Great talk!
Super important voice and perspective. Respect.
Objectivity in journalism aims to help the audience make up their own mind about a story, providing the facts alone and then letting audiences interpret those on their own. I would hope the average person would be extremely disturbed by this information and want to know our intelligence department is colluding with big tech to censor information.
@Google Sucks Ass what did you say? lol
@Google Sucks Ass paid corporate troll 😅
@Google Sucks Ass Government shutting down information that exposes government deception is pretty important. Its important enough for them to send out their pathetic bootlicking trolls to try to attack it.
complex and great lecture
I thought US agencies don't like outsiders but they don't even like there own 😂
Humble, charming, principled and super smart.
He must be destroyed!!!
Amazing work and speech. Principles are priceless, and lacking as we play team sports.
Yes, Matt this is weird. I appreciate that you are trying to keep us tethered to reality.
@@Horsemanray CIA shilling fascist has entered the chat
@Horsemanray you might want to check in with your DNC employers.
@@Horsemanray DNC paying you to throw your poo at whistleblowers?
Stay strong Matt!!
Matt let himself be slaughtered by a deeply dishonest actor. Glenn Greenwald would have made mince meat of the slimy Mehdi Hasan. Matt is one of the last true journalists. He must protect himself better.
@@Horsemanray One is actually not incompatible with the other. Public speaking and journalism two different skill sets.
"Getting to the bottom of it" will neccesitate eradicating the ringleaders .
There is no way to change things while leaving these monsters in control. To get them to release control will not be achieved with a kind word or any words at all.
It will take force. I suspect Taabi's sensibilities would prevent him from acknowkedging that plain fact.
The truth is what you make people believe. So many are ignorant to the facts.
Excellent. Gratitude
The Censorship Industrial Complex is censoring my left ear. Just joking around, thanks for the talk.
The point is, as Taibbi alludes toward the end of the Q and A, is that long established laws already exist to protect people against abuse.
Much of the the time they're ignored and/or not prosecuted, but that shouldn't be used as an excuse - which it is increasingly - to introduce ever more Draconian laws.
Investigative reporters investigate and, then, report, shouldn't they?
TVs are a BIAS the very rich wanted the working-class to hear .
I like the way he put things over to people he sound honest I have hear him speak on a lot platforms
They turned people against each other.
Happy Birthday - April 30 1993
the World Wide Web was offered
to public domain.
✔️ Knowing this and hearing it so concisely outlined are two different animals, the latter more chilling and unnerving.
The media used to be considered the fourth branch of government. It was called the "fourth estate".
Now it's the mouthpiece for the overlords.
The origin and meaning of the term pre-dates the United States, but in the U.S. it has never meant a “fourth branch of (the) government“. Quite the opposite - it is another ‘center of power‘ whose independence FROM the government is explicitly established by the First Amendment.
I THINK I understand what you intended to communicate... i.e. a ‘fourth estate‘ that is independent and free from government control, coercion, and interference used to be considered absolutely essential to good governance, but I wanted to clarify, as what Mr. Taibbi is understandably deeply alarmed about is the subsuming of the ‘free‘ press INTO the government. The corporate state has already largely succeeded in this takeover in regards to ‘mainstream‘ corporate media, and the Twitter files only demonstrate that they intend to do the same to ALL forms of mass communication.
Goebbels and Stalin would be very pleased.
@@larryromberg5695 The press was referred to as the "fourth estate" as if it was another branch of government through which the people could act.. Remember.. of the people .by the people ..for the people? Technically our governments are servants of the people..not our leaders....Of course, the news media is not technically another branch of government.. However, your point is well taken... Especially about what the media/press has turned into..
Now it is called the "fifth column"
@@larryromberg5695 Absolutely nailed it. Well said.
Great talk about this very important issue. I've shared articles on the Censorship Industrial Complex on Facebook, publicly, and received zero responses. When I share photos of landscapes, however, many of my "friends" see and like them. I'm 100% certain that Facebook is suppressing my non-photo posts.
He WILL eventually need to get some kind of security for himself and his family, i guess. People has "committed self death" for less than this.
I'll bet he's wearing a bullet proof vest
My mind is blown. Theres a moderation system on a social platform. This man is a genius . I can't believe it.
You obviously didn't actually read the files then. It's got very little to do with the moderation system on the social platforms.
Wow, a civilised question and answer session! Can it really be done?
How hard would it have been to show us the source documents on these files instead of screenshots and texts that is something that should matter we should always want that would they still be threatening to throw a journalist in prison
if you have issues - audio is recorded mono, the output is on the right side only.
This is such a rich area to be mined. People who have access to the data could earn doctorate degrees showing how ideas which exerted great influence started and how they were shaped.
Sophisticated fascism 😢
Great audio
You da man Matt
Nice seeing Matt getting paid.
That gets old....... 'this is too important to allow freedoms !!!!'
The intelligence services are looking really, really bad these days.
The US is afraid other countries will do to us what we already do to them.
They should be more afraid of criminal prosecution and the American people demanding justice for their crimes…
Whatever happened to ETHICS?
They Flag Desecration Argument ignores Christianity's prohibition of idolatry and polytheism. The Constitution's provision separating Church &State makes the concept of a "sacred relic" absurd.
He’s going to tell the truth
I treat people the way they treat me and the color of their skin has nothing to do with who a person is or acts. We are all individuals and held accountable for our actions, not the actions of others.
my right ear liked this
The Dominion reference just cements why these types can never not be the root of the problem, how do you defame an unaccountable corporation who runs elections without transparency. These are the new thoughtless norms.
Plus Dominion is a shareholder in Fox so they can pretend like they fighting but whatever settlement comes out of it remains in the club because at the end of the day what they don't want to happen is people to start asking questions on how the elections really work. US election process is a complete joke.