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Today we are discussing quartz watch technology and specifically the topic of high accuracy quartz watches. Our subject, the Bulova Precisionist, and the Bulova Ultra High Frequency quartz movement that powers this watch are looked at as we explore this underappreciated segment of horology.
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Thanks for watching!
I'm with you. Not interested in spending 10K+ on a Rolex Submariner that isn't as accurate as a G-shock. Add in the maintenance costs and fragility and you can keep the Sub. Love the Citizen Ecodrive.
I just bought this exact model in February 2018. Mine is two tone with a grey dial. As far as accuracy, I set it to the precise time when I got it. It was great, then the Spring Forward time change. Since then, I've checked it against my Atomic wall clock, it is still TO THE SECOND with that clock! I really like the watch and bracelet that it comes on. And the smooth sweeping second hand is a pleasure to look at as well!
Thanks for watching and for sharing your experience with the watch William.
Very interested in high accuracy quartz. I find it just as interesting to see how far they can push quartz technology. Unlike current mechanical watches, quartz technology has not reached the end of its potential yet. It would be amazing if we could have atom clock accuracy on our wrists, then we could conduct our own General Relativity experiments (semi-serious)! I wish Casio would put one into their GPW 2000 Gavitymaster. It would make this already extremely accurate watch even more so. Take care man.
Thanks for watching watching Bill. I agree the technology is still evolving. Will be interesting to see what comes in terms of accuracy and battery life in the future.
The "smooth" second doesn't have to do with the "high precision"; you could achieve it with a 32kHz quartz too. Just make the circuit not count up to 32768 (2^15), but to 2048 (2^11) instead. Still, it makes it very nice to look at and distinctive to most other watches. Except for the Seiko Spring Drive of course, but that's a total different price class.
The Seiko spring drive is a totally different story... Especially when you have payed 10 000$ for it.
Please do a review of select sweeping quartz movement watches. Bulova has a great movement, but almost all their designs are high schoolish and cheap looking.
That's a perfect description, "high-schoolish" and cheap. Too bad as the movements are intriguing.
5S21/5S42 is where it's at.
The only company making them *was* Bulova.
@@johnanth Not a purchasable piece. :-/
It’s such a shame that Bulova opts to put this amazing movement in such hideously designed timepieces. Imagine if these were in the Timex range of products.
I have a Timex expedition and it is my most accurate watch, extremly precise and reliable.
@@djordje1709 lmao what. Some timex look nice but they're definitely not that accurate. I'm consistently needed to re adjust the time on mine after a week.
@@microusb42069 A week? You need it to be dead on every second? Cool if you do but if you don't, you should get that fixed/replaced. It shouldn't be losing anything noticeable in a week. Mine loses something like 5 seconds per month.
I just bought a Citizen Satellite Wave fairly cheaply. It syncs with GPS satellites and in that way is remarkably accurate. It’s ugly. Most Satellite Wave watches are ugly. Most of the newer Seiko Astron watches sync to GPS satellites too, and are also ugly…
What do you mean?
I currently own 4 Bulova Watches including 2 Precisionists, one being the same as the watch shown here. It's a B6. I like it in every way. Sits on my wrist beautifully, as if it isn't even there. Great watch works pretty much ideally for me.
The greatest quartz movement in the world.... It's just a shame they consistently put it in cheap looking badly designed watches!
I agree somewhat on the last part, but it's hardly the greatest quartz movement.
I'm not that well informed on the Precisionist caliber, but I'd say the Citizen cal.0100 and a660 (Chronomaster movement), as well as the Grand Seiko 9F are better. Unless you are ALL about that sweep seconds hand. You also have the ETA Precidrive and Longines V.H.P. giving it some competition. In terms of HAQ value for money it might be best though.
Grand Seiko 9F is much better and also thermal compensated.
@The Truth no is not.. is just more expensive.
This is just Bulova's tradition way of making watch...If you don't like go buy something else nobody forced you to buy BULOVA.!
@@user-qx6ig7fl7w Today's consumer-centric world doesn't work like that.
Simply a terrific video. So we'll produced and presented. I own the Bulova Moon Watch, which is incredible. I too love the accuracy. The build quality is as good as a watch that costs 15x more.
Thanks for watching.
Like your watch in this review, Bulova has added a more stylish same size watch model 96B158. I have just added it to my collection a few days ago and it still impresses as a gorgeous timepiece. I am sure it will do so for a long time to come. My Seiko collection is in the watch box for a while until the newness of the 96B158 wears off...if it does. I will monthly wake up for the automatics just to keep them limber & lubricated. My daily Seiko 5 was the SNK809 on a reddish brown Colareb strap. A very functional and attractive watch.
Thanks for watching.
Interesting video. I’ve heard of these before. Before I was a collector, I had many quartz watches but no collection, I just bought inexpensive ones and wore them until I broke them as I was very hard on them. (I even destroyed a Rolex oyster perpetual and it’s legendary steel bracelet while wearing it doing things like handball, motorcycle racing and mountain climbing). Back then, I loved the quartzes because of their accuracy and durability. Since I have started collecting, I’ve gotten much more interested in the aesthetic of the watch as well as the quality of the movement. I no longer care about accuracy since I rotate my watches virtually every day, and I have to reset the automatics every time I wear them anyway. Listening to your story and your desire for accuracy is interesting to me in that there are so many different reasons why we collect watches and it’s fun to discuss this hobby/obsession with others and learning what motivates them and how it differs from my own motivations. It is indeed, a fascinating proclivity.
Wow you must beat the heck out of your watches to destroy an OP haha.
The high end of the 32KHZ watches usually keep to within about 3 to 7 seconds per month accuracy. I have some that are keeping better than 2 seconds per month.
The quartz crystal is part of an oscillator circuit. The chip circuits in the watch do the dividing down to the one second pulses for driving whatever type of display they want to use. It is normal quartz crystal can be temperature sensitive. The manufacture of high end crystals do their best to cut and grind and polish the crystals for minimal thermal expansion and contraction co efficiency with temperature change.
The crystal oscillator is part of a PLL type circuit (phase lock loop) where by the frequency can be shifted slightly for calibration by introducing phase shift feedback to the oscillator reference biasing. This can be referred to as pulling the crystal frequency. Only the higher end manufactures do calibration of this type for more accurate time keeping. This is also done in communications communications equipment.
I am an electrical engineer. Going back some years ago I worked in design. I worked in designing precision power supplies using frequency reference, timer systems using precision frequency reference, time keeping systems, and so-on.
I myself at one point owned I had an Omega Marine Chronometer. It was using a 4.19 MHZ crystal. There was also a 2.4 MHZ version. It was rated to better than 1 second per month. The one I had did not change more than about 5 seconds during any one year period. This watch went missing when there was some work being done in my home. It it obvious one of the workers took it.
I found a Wikipedia link showing this watch.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Marine_Chronometer
I'm a long time fan of Citizen watches. I'm eagerly awaiting their new quartz movement.
Me too, thanks for watching.
Did Citizen ever do this ?
I'm glad you think like me and quartz absolutely has a place in horology. I think they just as fascinating and as automatic. Different in alot of ways but accurate as can be!
I very much can appreciate quartz watches. They have a place in any collection.
BULOVA "MOONWATCH" ROCKS!
I need to check one of those out.
@@JustBlueFish I love mine. Beware that the two versions, the one with the bracelet and the one with the strap are supposedly different watches with different lugs. The claim is that if you buy the bracelet and take it off, you need curved lugs to put on a band. I bought the band which is leather with a carbon fiber looking pressing in the top. It's comfortable, but bulky. I haven't tried to change the band. It's a great watch though and I really like it. My most accurate watch I think.
I would buy one if only it was smaller. I simply don't get why people want huge 40mm plus watches these days.
@ Ludic Interface. The appeal of 40+mm diameter watches is that they look and feel substantial on the wrist, especially if the watch case and watch band are made of stainless steel and not titanium. Titanium watches feel too light on the wrist and have a "flimsy", "insubstantial" feel. A 40+mm diameter stainless steel watch has a nice, substantial weight and feel on the wearer's wrist.
@@michaelbarlow6610 I don't think people like heavy watches. Platinum is almost nonexistent when it could be a real luxury presence but it isn't. White gold is more prominent than platinum is and they're both hard to tell apart from stainless steel.
The real answer is that it shines, while titanium is a matte material that is difficult to polish and comes off with time. As a practical choice I will always prefer titanium, though for fashion stainless steel is inarguably better.
If you are trying to find an impressive quartz watch look at the Casio Oceanus. It is good looking, solar powered with a 30 year battery, titanium, and syncs with the atomic clock.
I’ve had some atomic sync watches, where I live I don’t get a reliable signal, so the HAQ has more of an appeal for my situation.
@@JustBlueFish yes but you can get GPS watches now on the gshock range that will sync with global satellites (much more cover than multiband radio towers). oh and ones that will sync with bluetooth to your phone's time...
As a FYI: AS a general rule, quartz watches use frequencies that are divisible in a binary fashion. In this example, you said 8.3 Mhz. Well if you take 2 raised to the 23rd power (2^23) you get 8,388,608 Hz; so 23 is most likely the number of binary divisions done on this frequency crystal.
I'm one of those 'locked-in-the-accuracy' because I have radio schedules, and it is much-more proper to begin your voice call at the precise moment (usually right on the hour). So, I have been using analog Casio Waveceptor's and I really like them but am always bugged by the once-per-second sweep of the second hand--it reminds me of a darn $10 Walmart wall clock!. I was a small boy when the transparent Accutron's came out and fell in love with both the movement of the second-hand and the lovely-whine of the mechanism which I vividly recall to this day. So, I really want an affordable smooth-sweep second-hand in an elegant design. It's getting closer but I'm getting older! Great video--Thanks!
Grey market is your friend here. I found a Certina DS-2 Chronograph at US$ 350 and it is running at around 7 to 9 seconds per year (it is a thermo-compensated movement). Certina is unfortunately an underrated brand with very interesting pieces. They also have a Diver with this HAQ movement. It is worth to go see their products. Also, I am very interested in seeing what Citizen is preparing with their 0100 caliber. Thanks for the video, very informative. I hope it will make more people aware of this technologies that are not necessary expensive, and really high quality.
Thanks for watching Miguel. That Certina sounds awesome, I'll have to look those up.
Thanks for the review Guy. I purchased the Bulova Precisionist Claremont 96B129 Grey dial for a great price on Ebay. I love the sweeping seconds hand. I've synchronized it with my
Citizen Eco-Drive Perpetual Calendar Chronograph with Atomic Synchronization. I am very eager to see how accurate the Bulova will be over the next year. Thanks again for the great content. Cheers!
Great Exspose ,Quartz king of accuracy & cost vs. movement. Quartz does it for me. P.S. Tx.
This is about the only watch from that line that I'd even consider wearing. Everything else is super large busy and aggressive. But it's still kinda a big and I can't say I love the design.
Thank you! We seem to live in a world where less value is placed on accurate timekeeping, and far too much emphasis is placed on watches that serve primarily as jewelry showpieces with far less accurate and durable automatic movements and "flawless" fit and finish as the holy grail. No one wants a fugly watch, but an expensive jewelry piece that can't keep time accurately is like a beautiful wife that won't have sex with you, is unfaithful, spends all your money and won't cook or clean. Quartz rules in every way. You got it right.
Seiko started the quartz movement for good reason.I'm glad a fellow watch guy promotes them.The vhp stuff is cool.Mechanicals have there place but not as a regular timekeeper.God quartz is nearly as old as me so its stuck and will continue to do so.Even Llonginess as you say are trying to keep up!!!!!!! Nice one.
Thanks for watching Len. Appreciate the comments and feedback.
I like all types of movements as long as there is great engineering or innovation involved! More people shopping in this price range should look at this Bulova.
Thanks for watching woostersheer1.
I really love quartz, the precision for the price it's unmatched, I will love to see a "swiping second hand" quartz movement from Casio, my favourite brand.
I’m one of those people who actually prefers quartz in many ways and will usually seek out a quartz version before a traditional one. My Omega SMP 300 has the Omega 1538 quartz movement (which yes is pretty much an ETA) and it works great and I love its accuracy and dependability. I know that for a lot of people this is blasphemy but it’s just my preference. Great video as always and keep up the great work!
Nothing wrong with having a preference for quartz. It’s kind of sensible really.
Quartz? Lame. I guess Walmart needs shoppers too.
Quite right. You can spin some plates on poles in front of a cheering audience. Or put them in a display cabinet which turns slowly by electricity. One is impressive only because it’s difficult, the other gets no cheers but doesn’t need them.
I think most people who are into watches for a long time go through stages- for me it was growing up with only quartz, then anti quartz and pro automatic, now I like having a solar multiband 6 quartz and a manual wind combo! There's a time and place for both and I've considered a HAQ over my SKX and g shock beaters
Fantastic breakdown. Thanks for making this video.
To hell with the watches, I'm drooling over your T-shirt! One of the best movies of my childhood.
I own a Bulova Lunar Pilot, and at 10 seconds drift per year (5 seconds if I reset it properly when we switch from daylight time to standard, and back again), on average it's only off 2.5 at any given time. Hell yeah!
I'm also excited about the Citizen. And with eco-drive, that frequency won't be draining batteries like crazy.
Definitely one of the best movies of all time. Thanks for watching Dan.
Don't see The Meg! It stinks. (But it's a TREMENDOUS film for watch-spotting!)
I'll watch it when it's on Netflix or something.
I've got two HAQ watches. One is a Constellation Manhattan from 1989, with two resonators. I have send it to service every decade and it is doing 2 seconds per year at 35 years old. Never pampered it, and it is an awesome watch. The other is a Longines VHP Flagship from the early 2000's. It's got a movement that needs battery change only every 10 years, and has perpetual calendar. That one did 3 seconds per year last year. Both are awesome. I'm very impressed by these two brands. The Omega Megaquartz from the 70's are incredible.
I have three of them with different colors. They’re my go to watches when I need to exactly what the time is. Battery life is good too but they’re using a very large cell so that’s no surprise really. They’re a bit on the heavy side and not small in size. Dials are impressive but can be hard to read a glance. Overall, they’re five star watches for accuracy and dependability. My oldest is about three years seconds about two years and the third one is at Bulova for an unknown failure. It’s the newest. Enjoyed your comments.
I love that watch. Thanks Guy. I was never much of a Bulova fan, but this is pretty good. 10 seconds a year is mind-boggling. Nice video.
Thanks Stephen. 10 s/year is impressive, can't wait to see what Citizen does with that new movement next year.
High accuracy quartz is awesome. I really like Bulova. I have a Precionist and a Lunar Pilot, the newer black model.
Thanks for this video!👌🏻I’m very interested in this technology. I’m been looking at Longines V.H.P. for a while now. Probably will look further until I find a watch that I don’t need to set every time I change watch. So, Thanks, for sharing!!👌🏻😍😍
Thanks for watching Torben, glad you liked it.
I just set my 96B158 after nine months and it was 12 seconds fast. It is like the 152 you displayed with sword hands and a textured swirl to both inner and outer dial. a Beautiful watch on a green Cordura strap.
I just Bought the Citizen/Bulova Accutron 2 surveyor chronograph with the high accuracy movement for a very good price. Besides the High accuracy mvt,It has a retro look! I want to find out more about that citizen prototype!
my bulova military watch was +/- 3 secs in a year. Cost me 115$
That’s amazing.
Mine too ,same price same accuracy . One battery per year. Super nice watch should be 2mm. smaller.
Of course not ,but its a watch and its only job should be to tell time so the more accurate the better job its doing .I just like the smooth second hand that looks like its almost not ticking at all ,just gliding along ,But once you get used to it you can see it ticking along .My Timex watches keep good time but you can see how they skimp on quality !
I sure wish Citizen would take their eco-drive tech and combine it with Bulova's 262 kHz tech.
Citizen has a super high precision watch but their price is ridiculous .The Bulova are great but their designs are quite simplistic, and large.
I am a quartz movement man great video
Thanks for watching.
I'm now more interested in high performance quartz since mechanical (especially vintage) watches are fragile and I don't have the money or time to be fixing them up. maybe later I'll go back to mechanical, not for the moment
I’ve never gotten into vintage, I don’t want watches that require all that maintenance and attention.
My Bulova Classic is definitely under 15 seconds per month. It has a date complication, so I am required to adjust it every other month. So, by the time I have to adjust it, it's only off by *_maybe_* 30 seconds, and I just zero it back to the exact second then.
what follows is just my opinion.
I am not convinced that Bulova is actually making HAQ watches. I was open minded about this and bought one (the "military UHF 262"). While it keeps substantially better than average time, it' s no where near +-10 minutes per year. More like 3.5 seconds fast a month.
Recently I bought a Casio watch for $12, which I find is sightly more accurate. The Casio's rated accuracy is +-30 second per month, but by the luck of the draw, I got one that was accidentally almost perfectly regulated, and it's running about 2.5 secs/mo fast.
I shouldn't reach conclusions based on just a couple samples, but by reasoning it also seems to me that something a little fishy is going on at Bulova. I can't find any technical explanation for why their UHF (or precisionist) movements (by Citizen) are actually more accurate than other quartz watches, other than some mumbo-jumbo about the 'tortional resonator' that's used. (which by the way Bulova claims does some how provide resistance to thermal factors). But there is nothing that explains what a 'tortional resonator' actually is, or what it does'.
I seemed to recall hearing that there was a guarantee or at least a specification for how accurate the Precisionist line of watches was supposed to be, but I couldn't find any specs on their web site. Just out of curiosity I used the Internet 'way-back' machine to view older versions of their site, and noticed that before 2012 they used to guarantee ALL their quartz watch products were accurate to 5 seconds per month. In public comment, I have heard Bulova representatives state '5' seconds per month as estimate of the CURRENT generation of UHF quartz watches. I think you may be getting that +-10 from original claims made when their original line of Precisionist watches were released. Since then, actually, they have reduced the frequency quite a bit (from what I don't recall) to 262 Hz, according to Bulova, to improve battery life.
One might think that would decrease the accuracy, but actually, I know of no reason to think that frequency is related to accuracy. It isn't how fast the quartz crystal oscillates, it's how regular and stable the rate of oscillation is. Higher frequency does improve a few things, like resolution, so that a stop watch can measure time to a finer degree of 'resolution', but there's no logical link to time keeping accuracy overall. Higher frequency does allow for that very nice smoothly sweeping movement, really also the only real benefit of higher frequency in mechanical movements. Ask Tissot, which has in the last couple years started to move to lower beat movements, -- the 'powermatic' -- Tissot claims they are more accurate than the standard hi-beat ETA 2824-2.
My observation is that quartz watches tend to be very stable, (temperature considerations aside), and that to a near approximation, a quartz watches accuracy is determined by how well it is manufactured and regulated. Themo compensation is mostly 'fine-tuning'... first you need to fabricate (or obtain) clean, uncontaminated quartz crystals. Then a good system is necessary to measure the end product's error rate, so that a compensation factor can be burned into the watches firmware. My little Casio demonstrates that a perfectly ordinary quartz watch can be freaking accurate, but only because small random factors in it's manufacture led to much better then typical results. But if it had come out of the oven running say, 20 seconds a month fast, it would run 20 seconds a month fast month after month, give or take a second or two. Quartz movements are very stable in that sense.
Themo-compensation IS necessary to take the last 10-15 sec/year of instability out of the system. But before that you need high quality system of production, post-production and fine tuning of the assembled movement, so that it' goes out the door 'being the best it can be'.
IMHO Bulova mainly focuses on these preliminary steps, then skips thermo-compensation, which is expensive to implement, and substitutes marketing mumbo jumbo, which isn't. The high frequency thing is mostly a gimmick, but it is nice to see a quartz watch with such a nice sweeping second hand motion.
THe watch you demonstrate in this video is perhaps a good example of Bulova's talent for guile - they call it a 'Precisionist', but I don't think it's one of the original higher frequency types - it's a 'gen 2', with the scaled back 262Khz UHF movement. But they print both Precisionist and 262 UHF on the dial, perhaps here, as in public comments, to gloss over the difference in frequency between the old type and the newer type. Because the reduction was pretty dramatic, and since part of the myth of super-accuracy is based on faulty ideas about frequency = accuracy, they don't really want to make clear distinctions about changes in the movement to improve battery life. If my theory is right, that frequency does not equal accuracy, it makes no difference whatsoever anyway! Bulova is mainly just struggling to keep its story straight.
Having said all that, I do think Bulova's UHF quartz watches are good value for the money and does seem tweaked for better accuracy than most other quartz watches. But if you think it's really a HAQ watch, I've' got a bridge in Brooklyn....
Thanks for watching and for the info it was interesting.
Set mine 6 months ago against atomic and still spot on I have the 98b229
My main attraction to this movement is the ultra-smooth sweeping seconds hand...not the accuracy. Time is fluid, not stuttering as most quartz movements operate. I believe if Bulova's parent company, Citizen could incorporate this into their Eco-Drive technology, they would capture many buyers of automatic watches.
@@davidsparling3505 the sweeping second hands on mechanical watches is irrelevant as they're always the wrong time.
@@stevek8829 Then don't buy mechanical...be a sheeple and wear a dorky Aplle watch or such.
That Bulova is nice! I never saw that one. Only the ginormous ones (like invicta sizes). I have 2 citizens (perpetual Calendar and eco drive) and a quartz luminox and just got my first Tag Carerra with Selitta. All have their pros and cons... I love my Tag, it’s jewelry and also everyday, I love the citizens because of 0 maintenance and calendar is always right and the second hand hits markers all time (and has sapphire) and my other ones are gifts or sentimental quartz watches. Good to have a mix, good to keep an open mind. Just know on the citizens that have all the features, setting them or changing time is a programming nightmare. A 3 handed auto is so basic and easy, so is a basic quartz too.
Thanks for watching Shino2600, I appreciate it.
That Citizen you mentioned sounds real interesting.
Yeah I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with that new Cal 0100 movement.
Not a fan of quartz but this one ive always been interested in...snagged it for 176 on Amazon...blue one. It will be my only quartz but the tech interests me now.
My Bulova was very accurate, but it leaked after getting the battery changed. Three watchmakers in Mexico didn't get it to stop leaking. So I bought 9 Vostok Amphibias, and regulate out rate error. Don't think I'll be able to drown the Amphibias.
I really wish their Marine Star watches were a bit smaller in dimension.. The one I liked design wise is 45mm! If it was like 40-41mm I'd get it, I don't mind even standard quartz really (although high accuracy quartz is awesome).
45mm is way to large for me!
Very educational video. Thanks for the effort of putting it together and sharing.
Thanks for watching.
Great video, I used to have the Bulova moonwatch which has the same type of movement and the accuracy was very impressive. I cashed it in some time ago but have been thinking of replacing it. I had it on the strap but should have got it with the bracelet, they are not interchangeable unfortunately. I replaced it with the Citizen Satellite Wave-World Time GPS Quartz watch which has the Eco Drive and it’s great, and super accurate always spot on anywhere in the world. It’s a bit on the large size for your liking I know at 44mm, but I find it really comfortable to wear. I’ve heard about the new citizen Eco Drive movement and am keen to see what they come up with but I guess it will be on the expensive side.
I need to check out one of those Bulova moon watches. I suspect it's too large for my tastes but I'd like to see one anyway.
Heres my personal guide-line, to myself: anything quartz, over 700,- US, is a no go. and yes, i often seen high quality luxury watches, that i really wanted in a specific lay-out (dial color, etc.), but..then it turns out, its a quartz inside, and for the same price as a Omega smp!!. so, as long as the watch im wearing is going within COSC-specs, i dont look at quarts at all, well i might look, but i wont buy!. im gonna stay true, to the watches with a heart n soul. Great review, good topic.
Not a bad guideline to go by. I can’t say I wouldn’t spend a larger amount on a Quartz watch, if the right one came up maybe.
he he, i hear you..thats the "horology-maybe" ticking in;-), well..no matter what, our taste in watches changes all the...(well this will sound planned..) ..time, and thank God for that, else we would all be wearing the same.
COSC-specs are a joke compared to even the cheapest quartz watch
Hi Guy, I have this piece, I had to put it on a leather strap, as it wore too large for me with the bracelet, really nice piece on vintage black leather, thanks so much for the review, 👍
I bet it would work great on leather.
Here's a nice quartz: Casio Oceanus casio oceanus ocw-s100-1ajf. Maybe you could do a review. Some say it rivals the grand Seiko.
I’ve heard good things about those.
Bulova has a rich horological history. Glad their staying relevant.
I'm not too well informed on their history, this was the first one I've had in the hand. It was a nice watch, especially at the price, just a bit too big for my tastes.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews Old American watch company with Swiss heritage and now owned by Citizen. Bulova has been to the moon along with Omega and has been in alot of wars.
I keep a Bulova Lobster in my watch box and use it to check my other watches against. I occasionally check it against my Casio which updates to atomic clock daily and have yet to see more than 1 second difference.
I haven't seen a Lobster before. Had to look it up, looks pretty cool.
I wonder how the sweeping second hand impacts battery life.
I have a Sinn UX, which has a thermo-compensated quartz movement made by ETA (the 955.652). It comes with an impressive 7 year battery life, but the second hand ticks once per second like on most quartz movements. To be fair, a long battery life is much more important with the UX, because it has to be sent to Sinn in Germany for a battery change since the oil filling must be drained and re-applied. They are the only ones who can do it at the moment.
I think the sweeping seconds probably has a big effect on battery life. I think the specs call for a 2 year battery life.
Dude.. I'm so down. I'm also a precision junkie. That's why the biggest part of my small collection is quartz and not automatic. Bulova is a great watch for people like me. People unable to invest large amounts of money in watches. I'm scared to read some crazy comments like: "Ewww Longines does it better.. ". Dudes.. Never forget the price segment. "Ewww the Toyota Yaris sucks.. Ferrari 812 is waaay better!" For less than 750 Euro, a Bulova chronograph with +/- 10 sec/year. Thanks! You have a deal.
NIce to see your review. For years, I have felt Bulova declined in quality, not getting the manufacturing attention this historic brand should get. It is nice to see them creating an interesting watch. Some videos push the comparision of the sweep second hand with the Spring Drive, but that seems like hype and nonesense given these movements are radically different and have very different functions in the market place. The execution looks great, especially at this price. I too wish they had the model in a smaller size. I like the size of older, classic watches, 35 to 36 mm and thin, which still means luxury to me. Thanks for posting!
The Bulova Moon Watch is freaking awesome ... The best quartz horological time piece $300 can get you ! ....I just wish it was a little smaller hahaha
Yeah I need to check one of them out.
My $90 Invicta Aviator's Japanese Quartz movement gains about 1 second per 7-8 days. It's durable and I swim with it every day. Very happy with it and it's plenty accurate for me.
I have 2 Accutron 2 Spaceviews . I love them . Sweeps better than an auto.
I haven't seen an Accutron in person, I need to check those out.
Grand Seiko 9F is my favorite this or the spring drive are the reason to buy Grand Seiko, automatic go Swiss.
You just can't beat the quality and performance of Bulova. I have the Curve and it is a beautiful watch. I always get a lot of compliments.
if you're an accuracy junkie, why not check out the casio gshocks with multi-band/wave ceptor? i use them for work in uk and get perfect radio controlled time all year round! no need to adjust for dst etc, and they are cheap/rugged.
they are also now producing ones that sync with your phone and gps, so they will support correct time globally without the need to adjust. you cant get more accurate than that!
I reviewed a multiband Gshock a while back. Unfortunately I don’t get a signal where I’m at and it would rarely sync. I love Square Gshocks, so I’m sticking with the classic dw5600.
I'm extremely interested in these Bulova movements, but so far the only model they've made that speaks to me style-wise is the Lunar Pilot, and unfortunately, it's just too darn big. I'm not sure if the movement actually requires all that extra real estate, or if Bulova's designers were mentored by Invicta, but I swear if they made a 39mm Lunar Pilot, the watch community would buy the heck out of it.
Yeah I don't know why exactly they went so big on that moon watch. 45mm if I'm not mistaken? I still want to check one out in person, but I'm guessing I won't like the size.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews Yep, 45mm and the L2L is like 51.Pretty thick too due to the way the crystal sits. It's a great looking watch in person thoigh with impressive fit and finish. Looks much more expensive than it is. The fact I still want one even though it's too big says something for sure.
@@TheTimLara Tiny! My Flieger is 47mm x 15.5mm and love it. large watches for men not ladys time pieces lol
Agree I just purchased a Bulova Moon watch love it !
I need to check out one of those Bulova Moon watches.
Too big. Should have made it a 42mm
Ego Mortem it’s a badass watch. Not for pussies.
I'm not a fan of quarts watches automatics only but that high accuracy quarts is so so cool!!! I may have to get 1 quarts watch just for their accuracy maybe an atomic or something good video
Did the owner of the watch got a custom made bracelet?
Because when I look this watch up online they all come with leather straps
I wish Citizen will release a "baby Chronomaster" at something like 1/4th (or less) of the price of the real deal. My Citizen Promaster already runs just a couple of seconds fast a year, so it's no real difference in practice. It is, as with mechanical watches, the fascination with the way they work and how they are made, that makes me want to own a temperature compensated, high accuracy quartz.
That would be cool.
Bulova military hi freq is amazing and makes my other watches seem obsolete. Works for me. It was £95.
Never seen that one before. Looked it up, looks pretty cool.
I've had two precisionist both broke into years take a look inside looks like something you would find in a cracker
Accuracy reigns supreme!
I love the grand seiko
Maybe I just got stupid lucky, but after messing around with the eta 2824-2, regulating it myself just a few times, my Steinhart Ocean1 seems to run at about -10 to -15 seconds a month. And that's without trying to negate daily effects with positional night resting. Do you think this could happen with most mechanical watches? I know I wouldn't want to fiddle with the movement in anything that cost a lot though, maybe that is what stops most people from self regulating mechanicals to extreme accuracy?
I've regulated a lot of Seiko watches, and the problem with those has been that there is a great deal of positional variation. If the rate is +10 in one position and -15 in another, + 13 in another and so on it's very hard to regulate it down to be highly accurate. How you wear the watch and what you do with your arms from day to day is going to affect the rate a lot more than if the watch were -10 in all positions. A precise watch, that is one that has the same rate in all positions is very easy to regulate for an accurate daily rate.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews - I don't have a proper beat rate machine and the ones offered through phone apps seemed unreliable at best. So what I did was watch how accurate it was daily, throughout the week and then adjusted it a tiny bit based on my normal usage rather than worrying about positions or using a machine. I just kind of eyeballed it until it was keeping good time. Took about a month, and 4ish tweaks to the regulator screw (forget the technical name).
Hi, I have regulated a few Seiko 7s26 movements to about +2 s/d. You're right, there is a huge difference between different positions. I have made a comparison measuring all 6 positions and getting an average and measuring in only 2 positions i.e. DD and CL and found no difference. The last one I regulated the beat rate error was 2.2 ms. Got that down to 0.1 and then regulate the beat rate.
I never knew that this technology exist. Add better esthetics, excellent lume, day and date complications, and perpetual calendar and I'll gladly save $1k for it.
I can't wait to see what Citizen, Seiko, Casio come up with this type of technology. I can smell a second Quartz Crisis coming in the not so distant future.
Yeah I'll be keeping an eye on this technology and would like to add a HAQ watch to my collection someday.
Respect for the JAWS shirt 👍
Well timed (pun intended) I'm seriously considering the Bulova Moonwatch, tho it is a bit big but as you said you can't have everything! The new Citizen prototype sounds intriguing, let's hope it filters down to be an affordable beater when my auto's are off duty. Cheers 👍👍
I need to check out a Bulova Moonwatch, it's big but I'd still like to see one.
As of December 2020, this watch is $289 on Amazon.
It's about +-5 sec per month. I had one. This is what I can comment after months of checking.
Weirdly my cheap chrono classic has been bang on for months. I've seen a few forum posts claiming high accuracy as well. Probably luck of the draw but I'm not sure.
Not familiar with that one. But always nice when they’re keeping perfect time.
Love some of their design but much too large. Had a snorkel but that was 46mm. Ended up looking like a clamshell on my wrist. I agree that they should lower the size and I would give them another look.
Another great video, thank you for your time.
I'm interested in quartz more now (after 20+ relatively anti quartz years of watch collecting!)- it also trying to downsize my collection so not sure realistically I would would ever wear one should I buy one.
My problem is watches that are too perfect make other watches redundant- my GS springdrive was robust, smart, casual, waterproof, accurate, stylish and cool enough amongst watch geeks without being a target for thieves... but it meant I never wore my others!
I feel HAQ are great for normies/muggles who don't obsess about watches like us and want a great every day watch that does everything. For watch geeks I think we get bored of them quickly as they're too perfect!
I really want a spring drive but there isn’t a model I really live in the GS lineup.
Can't find these watches very easily any more .Even Amazon used to sell them for a good price .However the chinese alternatives with Seiko quarts movement are a good choice .50. bucks right now on Ali express. VK 67 movement.
My biggest gripe with high accuracy quartz, non radio controlled, is that it does not have a way to set the time beyond eye balling an atomic time website and manually pushing the crown at best guess. A way to set it even to just a tenth of a second would be nice.
Yeah I don't know how they would get to that level of accuracy, in terms of being able to set the watch. Maybe with bluetooth and an integrated phone app?
1/10th of a second? lol ok then...
Bulova had several smaller 262khz watches under the Accutron ii label that are quite nice but getting scarce.
To me hi quality quartz movements deserve same attention as automatics.
Hey Accurist ! Howzabout making a Precisionist in a 36mm case for those of us who don't need to over compensate by wearing a huge watch....
Interesting video, thanks. I know it's not within the realm of quartz, but I'd like you to have talked about electric watches, such as the Bulova Accutron and if I'm not mistaken some Omegas. I'd be interested to know how they work.
Thanks for watching Peter. That’s a good idea for a future video. I’d like to check out an Accutron one day.
Yeah quartz!! I have a 25 year old citizen titanium chronograph with second time zone, timer,alarm, chronograph, second alarm and it still works Just fine 😊....
I have a little Seiko Quartz from 1985 still going strong and keeping good time.
JustBlueFish Watch Reviews yes great watches i still have my first seiko from 78 and one from 1983 a sports 100 but i have not replaced the battery of those watches for years still i am pretty sure that they will still work..
@@JustBlueFish Update!! After more then 20 years when it stopt running i had the battery changed of my seiko 7645-8360 gold plated watch and quess what it runs perfectly!!!! 😂 The old battery was still in the watch..
I have the chronograph version and this watch is great.
What's funny, my Q&Q quarts have been running very accurately since I've replaced it as my main watch last February, it sat on my desk, face up and only lost 3 seconds since then. And it isn't high accuracy Quartz and cost me less than$40.
That's pretty impressive. My basic quartz watches are all around +/- 10 seconds on average per month.
@@JustBlueFish Yes, that's why I think I'll always be a fan of Quartz more than mechanicals. But with that quartz's sweeping hand, I don't see the need for mechanicals anymore. But I do understand that some people do see watches more a work of art than a tool. :)
How is the magnetic field around this watch?
gee nice watch for the price really like it
Ya it’s not bad. Thanks for watching.
There are a few Precisionist watches for women in the 31mm range, at least.
I have an, Invicta Reserve 12958 Specialty Subaqua Jason Taylor COSC Swiss Chronometer Watch LE #772-999..I've had it 5yrs one battery change, I don't use the Chronometer at all but i'm getting -3 seconds a year accuracy. I guess I got lucky.
ETA Caliber 251.233 COSC (Swiss Made)
Welcome to the world of high accuracy quartz or high end quartz, generally categorized as watches that are specified to plus or minus 10 seconds a year. Thermo-compensation allows these watches to maintain a stable rate in spite of temperature changes. At a very fundamental level, by passing a current through a tuning fork shaped crystal, vibrations are generated powering the watch. By regulating motor pulses in accordance to ambient temperature shifts, a higher degree of accuracy is achieved.
In this circumstance, the Thermo Compensated Movement is being utilized in these watches. The thermo compensated movement is made by ETA 251.233 and is comprised of 27 jewels. This fact differs from most quartz movements which generally do not have any jewels in the movement. The ETA 251.233 in entirely Swiss Made. These are the most accurate certified quartz caliber movements currently available; the movement maintains a -15 seconds per year. Due to their exceptional accuracy, thermo compensated quartz watches take accuracy in performance to another level in timekeeping. It's the only quartz watch I have, all my others are Autos.
Thanks for watching Jack. I don't have any HAQ watches in my collection, but I do have a couple basic quartz watches. One day I will probably add one when I find the right model.
The Bulova Lunar Pilot is a totally awesome timepiece. It definitely hits all of my hot buttons. I recently picked up the Bulova Curve. Guy, do you know how they were able to bend the sapphire crystal?
Nice video! Please try to get more H.A.Q. watches to review them. Will be amazing
Bought a $60 Casio analog watch that only loses two seconds a month. Just bought a Bulova Precisionist and I'm looking forward to seeing how accurate it is.
Does anyone know where can In get that bracelet??? I want to get one.
I find mention of watch size as amusingly absurd. I wore a Seiko Pogue for many, many years as a younger man on my 6 inch, 15 cm wrist and no one cared. Size perception is really in the eye of the wearer, not of the general public. Unless the lugs noticeably overhang the wrist a few mm of diameter is inconsequential.
I am a fan of the Bulova Precisionist or Accutron 2 UHF movements, so much so that they are over-represented in my collection. I do understand differences in taste preference against busy dials but have indulged my own prejudice in their favor . "watcheshalfprice", an Ebay vendor, has strikingly low prices for pristine Bulovas.
I'm looking forward to see what Citizen does with a solar powered UHF movement.
Thanks for watching.
This one is very good, the bracelet very solid.. the only 1 thing sucks is the lume... its like no lume.. very very bad
I believe that Citizen movement is currently only available in a dress watch. The price in steel might be close to 5 grand. Huge miss for Citizen. I hope over time it will be available in sports watches under $1000. I think the Citizen 0100 is an all metal, repairable movement.
i really hope seiko would start making affordable spring drive models
They added Spring Drive to the Presage Line (on some models) but they are like 4k (certainly not affordable).
They will never be as cheap as you can buy a used Bulova Precisionist for. You can buy an early model Precisionist for $200 or less. You'll never get a used spring drive Seiko for that. The only used Seiko with a smooth sweep that you can get for that money would be an old Lord Marvel 36000, and I wouldn't bother because it's still not going to be as smooth or as accurate as the Bulova. The Lord Marvel also doesn't have any complications, and all high beat mechanical movements require a lot of maintenance to prevent them from breaking down.