Piano Tips: Octave Technique

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  • čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
  • Here are a few tips which help me to master octave passages!
    01:06 Pinky, Wrists
    02:23 Let's group them
    04:07 "Leftover" fingers issue
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Komentáře • 72

  • @eleanorvanpelt5695
    @eleanorvanpelt5695 Před 11 měsíci +7

    I had 2 wonderful teachers before college and during my years at Manhattan School of Music, but missed out on learning about avoiding tension in playing octaves and all that you explained in this video. I’m still teaching at 80 yr. and can still learn new ideas, so thank you very much!

    • @johnstaf
      @johnstaf Před 4 měsíci

      It's wonderful when someone can still be interested in their profession at 80. You must be a wonderful teacher.

  • @ardaofluoglu
    @ardaofluoglu Před 3 lety +14

    Found the video while I was searching for ways to ease my pain and tension when learning to play Moszkowski etude op 72 no. 9, which is mainly an octaves practice etude. I had not much prior experience in playing fast octaves. Your video really, really, cleared my mind on grouping octaves with wrist movements. Thank you very much for this.

  • @88Musk
    @88Musk Před rokem +4

    Dennis, I'm not a classical pianist but I really appreciate your videos about technique because no matter what you're doing, it still matters, and I try to tell pro musicians about it.

  • @williammanico2359
    @williammanico2359 Před 2 lety +4

    Best technical advice and demonstrations on the web

  • @clailai7865
    @clailai7865 Před 2 lety +3

    👏👏👏your last performance!

  • @789armstrong
    @789armstrong Před rokem +4

    Excellent, the best octave video I have seen.

  • @josephinebrown6631
    @josephinebrown6631 Před rokem +3

    Thank you kindly🤍

  • @simonreiff3889
    @simonreiff3889 Před 9 měsíci +3

    Excellent video! I'll add that in many scenarios, we need legato octaves, and if we cannot or do not want to use the right pedal, we achieve this by using the 4th (and if large enough hands, the 3rd or even 2nd) fingers of the RH for the upper voice. My approach is to practice the upper voice in legato very slowly, listening as intently as possible that the legato and phrasing and dynamics are being achieved solely with fingers, and only gradually increasing the tempo. Whenever I work on a piece with particularly difficult octave passages, I will add Chopin Op 10 No 2 back into my practice routine to strengthen the confidence and independence of the weak fingers of the RH in playing legato, as it always helps tremendously. I practice the thumb separately as it is cannot truly be legato but nonetheless should be as close as possible. Combining both voices, and then adding the LH (or RH as the case may be), has to happen only after mastering the voices apart. I like your comments on the proper wrist technique very much and will add only that a tiny bit of rotation of the elbow can also often help relieve tension by speeding the wrist through its rotation--however we have to be careful not to introduce too much elbow motion as it can quickly mess up other aspects of the mechanics. The elbow basically speeds up the wrist rotation so we experiment to find how much elbow is really needed, if any. Slow practice is always important but particularly with very fast octave passages, it is also necessary to include faster tempi in practice because multiple octaves (especially at the top or bottom of a passage) might need to be played with a single smooth and very fast motion of the wrist, whereas doing the same single motion won't work at slower tempos. Definitely a lot to consider! Thanks again for the video.

  • @retlwiz
    @retlwiz Před rokem +2

    Wish I had seen videos like this years ago!

  • @jamelporter6974
    @jamelporter6974 Před rokem +2

    THANK YOU SOOOOOO MUCH FOR THIS YOU💯‼️👏🏿👏🏿I really got a GREAT understanding of playing octaves in TOTALITY‼️

  • @antoniovisioli4460
    @antoniovisioli4460 Před měsícem

    Maestro lei è straordinario. La ringrazio accoratamente!

  • @billligon4005
    @billligon4005 Před rokem +5

    This video on Octaves brings to mind the Octaves with middle notes at the end of 1st mvt of the Grieg Concerto in A minor (Percy Grainger arrangement for solo piano). I have never been able to play them without tension. I shall try your techniques on that. Thank you.

    • @JuliaPikalova
      @JuliaPikalova Před rokem +1

      Where have you found the sheet music for this arrangement? I've been searching high and low, ready to buy, but I haven't found it still. Many thanks in advance for any prompt!

  • @warrensha
    @warrensha Před 5 měsíci +1

    Great video, and great performance by you.

  • @DREKD
    @DREKD Před 26 dny

    Very helpful! Thank you!

  • @bluepearl4806
    @bluepearl4806 Před rokem +2

    You are amaising you play so great!! And those tecnique tips helped a lot thank you!!

  • @kiralighto2573
    @kiralighto2573 Před 3 lety +2

    Veryyyyyyyy helpful
    Thanks

  • @verity9000
    @verity9000 Před rokem +1

    Fantastic, thank you so much!

  • @m.a.3322
    @m.a.3322 Před 4 lety +4

    Amazing tips, I just learnt a scriabin prelude with rapid fortissimo octaves so this will help a lot!

  • @williammanico2359
    @williammanico2359 Před 2 lety +2

    Great advice!!!

  • @avduevskiy
    @avduevskiy Před 21 dnem

    gosh that's such an awesome channel

  • @ponlerd
    @ponlerd Před 11 měsíci +1

    Great!

  • @SmOOtHCrIIImInAL
    @SmOOtHCrIIImInAL Před 2 lety +6

    Denis,THANK YOU SO MUCH for Tchaikovsky example! Im learning it now,so i can now practice octaves correctly! Я кстати,тоже русский) 😊

  • @rach3master
    @rach3master Před 3 lety +4

    Very nice set of instructional videos you've made. May I suggest creating a video about the dreaded double notes technique (especially double thirds)?

    • @DenZhdanovPianist
      @DenZhdanovPianist  Před 3 lety +3

      Thanks! Will keep in mind, you're not the first who asks😉

  • @itsjudystube7439
    @itsjudystube7439 Před rokem +2

    I am lying here trying to copy your wrist relaxation. I am doing very well thank you. Now can you tell me how to stop the tension invading my upper arms and shoulders instead 😂

    • @DenZhdanovPianist
      @DenZhdanovPianist  Před rokem

      After a good meal I want to sleep, and as soon as I wake up I am hungry again!
      Eternal problems😂
      If seriously, an unnecessary tension is in most of the cases is a reaction on the lack of stability where it is supposed to be, for example in the metacarpal bridge. You might want to check the newest video on octaves where I address this topic in more detail.

  • @MrKillApple
    @MrKillApple Před rokem +2

    I have the feeling that no matter how much I practice relaxing my hands for the right hand octaves of Skrjabin op 8 no 12, I always have too much tension. I can play it slow and it feels relaxed, I practice it at speed and I have wrist pain for the day. Really frustrating...

    • @DenZhdanovPianist
      @DenZhdanovPianist  Před rokem +2

      There are two most possible reasons:
      1. You play in a quick tempo differently then slowly, while the purpose of playing slowly is to find the most efficient way to move, and gradually(!) speed up, preserving same comfortable sensations.
      2. The piece might be generally above your current level, and you’d need to acquire a solid foundation in order to be able to approach it.
      It’s important to consider that pieces like this one are on the very top of the professional piano repertoire, and they are relatively easy to master only for those pianists who learn piano professionally (which usually means they do nothing else in their lives😂) from a very young age.

  • @bluepearl4806
    @bluepearl4806 Před rokem +2

    Thank you so much Denis your tecnique is amazing and you explain so wonderfully!!! I actually have been thinking to take online course from you but I have romatoid in my hands and whole body. I saw a doctor and I have been taking medication for treatment. I also have carpal tunnel on my right hand but your videos helped me to loosen those immensely tightened hand- wrist-finger muscles. I have been working to loosen them so patiently for 2 months. After my treatment ends I would like to contact you for private online course🙏🙏😊🌟🍀 Thank you so much for you helping us with your wonderful videos. I highly appreciate all of your brilliant explanations😊🙏🌟🍀😊🙏🌟🍀🌺

    • @DenZhdanovPianist
      @DenZhdanovPianist  Před rokem

      Thank you for a sweet comment, and I wish you fast recovery!❤️‍🩹

    • @bluepearl4806
      @bluepearl4806 Před rokem

      @@DenZhdanovPianist Thank you so much dear Denis and you are very welcome😊🙏🍀❤️

  • @RolandHuettmann
    @RolandHuettmann Před 4 lety +1

    I love it. ))) Maybe for some viewers it might be interesting if you could write a comment from where selected passages were taken? Schubert's Erlkönig (used by Lizst as well) may be known to most and you mentioned the piece. I hope to play it in future.
    I noticed that relaxing wrists requires to also relax the whole body, especially shoulders. Unnatural tension anywhere expresses itself one way or the other. So, I am working on it...
    Thank you for this and all lessons.

    • @DenZhdanovPianist
      @DenZhdanovPianist  Před 4 lety +2

      Roland Huettmann Schumann Toccata op.7 and Tchaikovsky Concerto 1 mov3

  • @idomoshe
    @idomoshe Před 3 lety +3

    What an amazing channel! (and player!) Thank you very much for this. This is probably the best video I have encountered about octave technique. A thing I couldn't understand: In an octave passage (e.g. a non-forte scale), what is the function of the wrist? is it completely relaxed and passive and all the action is coming from the fingers, and then it just bounces up and down due to plucking the finger tips from the bottom of the keys to propel you to the next octave, or: is it the wrist that initiates the motion down and actively tapping the octaves? Thanks again!

    • @DenZhdanovPianist
      @DenZhdanovPianist  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks for a nice feedback! Regarding your question: I am afraid there is no just one answer (at least for me). Wrist movements are often important to release tension: so we use them for 'unifying' movements (e.g. four octaves with a movement slightly up - another four slightly down) in order to group octaves, and this helps to rest a bit and release the tension between groups.
      I try to analyse now in detail about what you asked, and I think it depends on the tempo as well: if the tempo is slow the wrist really may "lead the way". But in a more fluent tempo it executes a more "supporting" role as described before. It's hard to avoid tension in some crazy passages, therefore it's important to know exactly where are your release points in the passage.

    • @idomoshe
      @idomoshe Před 3 lety +1

      @@DenZhdanovPianist Thank you so much for taking the time to answer. My question was a bit convoluted but you still managed to provide a helpful answer. I wish you great success with this channel, and I think more people will appreciate this content. Thanks!

  • @etiennedelaunois1737
    @etiennedelaunois1737 Před 5 měsíci

    What about the repeating octaves like Cziffra is doing? He is doing what you suggest on this video with his wrist and he alternate between fingers 4 and 5.
    I guess your hand need to be big enough to be comfortable enough to play with 4 and keep your wrist and hand relaxed.
    What do you think about that technic?

  • @user-jp3bb2yb1f
    @user-jp3bb2yb1f Před 4 lety +1

    Excellent tips as always!
    Watching from outer space 10/10 😼

  • @00xrail1
    @00xrail1 Před 4 měsíci

    Hi, i really struggle to find answers on whether i should use the fourth finger on black keys for octaves or still use the pinkie instead

  • @mohanshawcellist
    @mohanshawcellist Před 3 lety +1

    😲😲

  • @puranchand27
    @puranchand27 Před 3 lety

    Sir , Awaiting your presentation on resolving 4th Flying Finger Right Hand & 2nd Finger of Left Hand 😍😍

    • @DenZhdanovPianist
      @DenZhdanovPianist  Před 3 lety +1

      What exactly do you mean by that?

    • @puranchand27
      @puranchand27 Před 3 lety

      @@DenZhdanovPianist Sir , When playing Keyboard these fingers fly idle resulting decreased efficiency .😍😍

    • @DenZhdanovPianist
      @DenZhdanovPianist  Před 3 lety +1

      @@puranchand27 I hope I have correctly understood what do you mean; if yes - then my personal way of playing piano is to avoid unnecessary finger movements in general. I explain more on that in the Fast Tension-Free Playing video, you might wanna check it out!

  • @flagerpiano
    @flagerpiano Před rokem +1

    Denis, i think its really helpful if you practice with “loose lazy hands “( i call it dead hands 😀) not only octaves but all kind of techniques like chords, arpeggios or scales but really close to keyboard … do you agree?

    • @DenZhdanovPianist
      @DenZhdanovPianist  Před rokem +1

      Sure; but tips of the fingers need to be focused at the moment of the hit nevertheless

  • @lucyl.6495
    @lucyl.6495 Před rokem

    👍

  • @mingzelipiano0920
    @mingzelipiano0920 Před 4 lety +1

    Amazing video! Can you play op.10 no.1 Chopin please

  • @scottweaverphotovideo
    @scottweaverphotovideo Před rokem +1

    I am just ten days into playing and practicing after a gap of many decades. I was never actually taught how to play octaves. My fingers are fairly long, but my fifth fingers are short. In practicing octave scales is acceptable to connect some octaves using the third and fourth fingers on black keys or is one only supposed to use thumb and fifth fingers only while going up and down the scales?

    • @DenZhdanovPianist
      @DenZhdanovPianist  Před rokem +2

      A standard fingering for octaves: 1-4 on the black keys and 1-5 on the white ones. But for those who have large hands, 1-3 is also used frequently

    • @scottweaverphotovideo
      @scottweaverphotovideo Před rokem +1

      @@DenZhdanovPianist thank you!

  • @lelouchvibrittania8478
    @lelouchvibrittania8478 Před 2 lety +1

    What are the names of these pieces you played? Sounds amazing

    • @DenZhdanovPianist
      @DenZhdanovPianist  Před 2 lety +1

      Some spots from Schubert/Liszt Erlkönig, Schumann Toccata, Tchaikovsky Concerto 1

  • @user-vs2eq7ii2w
    @user-vs2eq7ii2w Před 21 dnem

    Does the same apply when you have to use 3rd and 4th finger as well, for example in Chopin Ballade no.1?

    • @DenZhdanovPianist
      @DenZhdanovPianist  Před 21 dnem

      In general, rather yes since those are universal tips, but I’d need to look at a specific spot to say for sure

  • @ivanruizatelier
    @ivanruizatelier Před 3 lety +1

    May i know what piece was that at the last part of the video? Thank you!

    • @DenZhdanovPianist
      @DenZhdanovPianist  Před 3 lety +1

      Tchaikovsky Piano Concerto No.1

    • @ivanruizatelier
      @ivanruizatelier Před 3 lety

      @@DenZhdanovPianist thanks so much! And thank you for sharing your tips and techniques!

  • @lelouchvibrittania8478
    @lelouchvibrittania8478 Před 2 lety +1

    My wrists hurt while playing 32nd note octaves (Vivaldi summer "storm"). What can I do? You are incredibly skilled btw

    • @DenZhdanovPianist
      @DenZhdanovPianist  Před 2 lety +1

      Thanks)
      Learn them in smaller groups releasing the wrist between groups, make proper gaps between groups in order to release the hand, and then gradually make these groups longer, like only 3 octaves at first, then 5 etc. Each group is played within one wrist motion - down/up.

    • @lelouchvibrittania8478
      @lelouchvibrittania8478 Před 2 lety +1

      @@DenZhdanovPianist thank you!

  • @nadiatishkova6134
    @nadiatishkova6134 Před 3 lety +1

    User-friendly options 🤣👍👍👍

  • @billligon4005
    @billligon4005 Před rokem

    Reminds me of LIszt -- no music, just octaves played very fast and loudly!! And real Exercise/Etude.

    • @DenZhdanovPianist
      @DenZhdanovPianist  Před rokem

      Even throat gargling might be music, put in a necessary context!😉