Part 1 | DIY BLACK HUNTER Rework | Budget Amazon Bow

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  • čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
  • Shane uses basic hand tools to rework a Black Hunter longbow including making it centersh0t and adjusting the tiller. DISCLAIMER: Taking any material off of a bow does make it weaker. DO NOT remove significant material to the point of compromising the bow.
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    0:00 Overview
    3:37 Making it Centersh0t
    16:45 Centersh0t Measurements
    17:14 Adjusting Tiller

Komentáře • 121

  • @brysonnichols1198
    @brysonnichols1198 Před rokem +15

    I have a Black Hunter that Shane did this process to and he put a perfect finish back on it; you can't tell it was modified. Shane's handiwork and attention to detail is awesome.

  • @Elkmonger
    @Elkmonger Před 7 měsíci +3

    I have a Great Plains Traditional Bow Company - Great Plainsman Longbow. 52# at 28" and that's what I pull. It's a beautiful bow and a beast to pull. It says 1993 on the riser. I bought it and the wool sock it was in at a yard sale for $125 about 20 years ago. I wasn't sure what I was buying, but now I'm certain the people selling it had no idea what they were selling.

  • @filipbertilsson2240
    @filipbertilsson2240 Před rokem +6

    I watched this video yesterday evening and and thanks to you I finely got the courage and "know how" how to correct my PSE Mustang which wasn't center shot and I kept fighting with it. I just didn't want to remake something what was original. I've done step by step exactly how you showed it an now the bow is just perfect! Nobody would recognize that somebody was working on it with the rasp and fil.
    Thanks so much for sharing!
    Greetings from Sweden!

  • @joemarrier44
    @joemarrier44 Před rokem +5

    I want to compliment you on your videos. It is awesome to see a bowyer work on other bows and give instructions on how to make modifications. GP is an awesome bow company!

  • @goodby2romance423
    @goodby2romance423 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Shane Awesome upgrade on the Black Hunter. good craftsmanship …. Had to Subscribe , Im originally from DoDa / Wichita but live in Germany …. had to say Hallo , your vids are being watched in Europe ….. Go Chiefs 💪😎

  • @robertroth6521
    @robertroth6521 Před rokem +3

    I enjoy watching your redo on other manufacturers bows.

  • @Anthony_Goes_Outside
    @Anthony_Goes_Outside Před rokem +1

    Thanks for making this video. Learned a lot.

  • @ptrgmx7396
    @ptrgmx7396 Před rokem +2

    Very interesting! Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

  • @danielruprecht8932
    @danielruprecht8932 Před rokem

    Great tutorial. Quite helpful 👍🎯

  • @edrace1882
    @edrace1882 Před rokem +1

    great video!

  • @Lost_Hwasal
    @Lost_Hwasal Před rokem +3

    Very cool and i didn't know you could affect tiller by sanding the sides of the limb like that. Looking forward to more stuff.

  • @md37346
    @md37346 Před rokem +1

    GREAT STUFF,,,,

  • @ricsfunvids3321
    @ricsfunvids3321 Před rokem +2

    THANK YOU. bought a new BH recurve. After sitting aprox. 15 min. Bang. pop the string??? Became dangerous. Notice limbs were out of wack. It sat for almost 2 yrs. Didnt know it could be fixed. Thank you so much. BTW had to remove over 1/8 in. on lower limb to straighten it out. Yup- used a belt sander- finish by hand. great bow now. Thanks again liked and sub.

  • @bowhuntingsoul2149
    @bowhuntingsoul2149 Před rokem +3

    Would be a cool project for a beginner at-home bowyer.

  • @kevinseel3258
    @kevinseel3258 Před rokem +1

    Great video - very intersting to hear your observations. This was my first bow and it got me into archery as my "covid" project. I own a couple now before buying a Bear Grizzly. I have a 31" draw, and when I started I didn't even know what stacking was but I guess I experienced it with that bow based on your expert review! All said, I still love my black hunter and I use it for stump shooting and just messing around. It was great value for the price and it started me on a path so it did it's job! Oh, my wife has one too and love shooting it.

  • @Marauder2005
    @Marauder2005 Před měsícem

    Very good craftsmanship here :) my man has some real good tips here to teach!
    The only thing i dont understand is why someone wants to make a 60" hunting recurve bow center shot when its clearly not made for it.
    The bow is way to short to be shot 3 under and especialy to string walk. The bow window is so curved on the shelf and the side because when you cant the bow by a few degrees its supposed to have minimal contact and clears the shelf + side flawless with the right arrows.
    Yes the bow is a cheap 80€ AliExpress bow and we cant expect a perfect product like a 600€ bow would be but it has its ideas and it shoots realy realy good for this price tag.

  • @darrylpatterson1091
    @darrylpatterson1091 Před rokem +2

    I shoot a 40lb black hunter longbow, enjoyed the video, very informative. Would like to have seen you shoot it. Thanks

  • @KevinMillard68
    @KevinMillard68 Před 25 dny +1

    FYI a New bow will settle once broken in so that extra 3 lbs will go down more once the string and limbs are broken in even i know this and im just a shooter and now getting into hunting

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před 25 dny

      @@KevinMillard68 actually that is not accurate. A well built traditional bow does not lose weight

  • @Skammee
    @Skammee Před rokem +1

    Very good info on tillering a bow and seeing how easy it is ... when the expert is doing it 😉 Almost makes me want to go and buy a black hunter recurve ... but I'd rather save up and get a Great Plains Swift

  • @markpickerill1882
    @markpickerill1882 Před rokem +2

    Thanks for the inspiration and tips, cleaning up riser to limbs per your instructions. Learning barebow starting with a Black Hunter modifying my grip to my likingalso, low grip closer to my Bear Alaskan and center shot. Not sure I fully understand center shot. With center shot the arrow isn’t bowing around the riser so parralax isn’t occurring but the arrow still bends, so if it bends toward the riser it is going to kick it out. If the initial bending is away from the riser all okay. My shooting now seems inconsistent and wondering if this is the cause. Do I need to spine index my arrows to bend away from riser. Probably overthinking or misunderstanding how this works for BB. With my compound with drop away rest this isn’t an issue. Appreciate any comment

  • @michaelcampailla4985
    @michaelcampailla4985 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Hadn't shot in a few years and my favorite bow was a little heavy for me (50# Howatt Hunter), ordered a lighter weight Black Hunter to build muscles back up, opened the box and the riser was cracked....bummer

  • @WV591
    @WV591 Před rokem +1

    BLACK HUNTER is an amazing accurate and fun bow to shoot for the price. I don't know why people buy this inexpensive well-made bows and then bash them . go buy a thunderchild or Acadianwoods or caribow or something.

  • @robertdahlgren622
    @robertdahlgren622 Před rokem +3

    I like your how to video, but just a comment (or two). It would be more accurate to use your bowyer's square to measure the string height for the positive tiller check. The square would keep your measurement perpendicular to the string more precisely. By the way, why is brace height measured from the grip rather than the back of the bow like draw length? Seems that would be more consistent what with all the different grip shapes out there.

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před rokem +1

      Hi Robert, thanks for your comment and also for watching! The bow square is a good idea, but once you've done thousands of bows its really no more accurate and its twice as slow. On the brace height thought, I think thats a great idea I have thought of that myself many times, however all the bow companies do it from the deepest part of the handle and if we were to change it there would continuous confusion and constantly explaining that to our customers. I think everyone would need to get together and agree to change it to that way of measuring for that to work. Good thoughts. I like the way you're thinking

  • @sweetchariotengland
    @sweetchariotengland Před 21 dnem +1

    Yes chaps. Subscribed
    Ive started building yew self bows and im looking to elbow way into the scene and find me some archers.
    I would be honoured if y'all would come check em out

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před 21 dnem +1

      @@sweetchariotengland sure. What's your site?

    • @sweetchariotengland
      @sweetchariotengland Před 21 dnem +1

      @@greatplainsbow I'm posting videos here and listed on my Sweet Chariot Etsy shop. No website yet.
      Many thanks for the reply dude

  • @allannesss7782
    @allannesss7782 Před rokem +1

    I had a bow custom built. Payed a lot for it. Then they went out of biz. I’d love to send it to you and have you look it over. I’d gladly pay for your oversight.

  • @henrycruz45cal
    @henrycruz45cal Před 7 měsíci

    Eyeballing work. A simple laser and you will know for sure.

  • @peterharetzmueller2983
    @peterharetzmueller2983 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Thanx for doing a great job and for sharing your knowledge!! Would you recommend to install inserts for stabilizer or for a riser mounted bow quiver?

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před 4 měsíci

      If you want those on there yes you can do that. The riser is strong enough for those inserts. Thanks for watching!

  • @jacobwilliams5271
    @jacobwilliams5271 Před rokem +4

    Few questions, you don't think thinning the riser to center shot would put the riser at risk of breaking at higher draw weights? Also if you refinished the riser, what did you use?

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před rokem +9

      Excellent questions, Jacob. Yes you do have to be careful not to take too much off of heavier bows. The black hunter bows are made with dymalux so usually you'll be just fine thinning it down with in reason. That being said, if this bow was a 70# bow I'd have left more material on. As far as the finish goes we will be showing that soon as we continue the series of reworking the black hunter all the way through. Thanks for watching!

  • @robertdahlgren622
    @robertdahlgren622 Před rokem +1

    I have been following this series and plan to do some of the modifications you have shown. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and insights. I have recently purchased a Black Hunter through Amazon. The limbs on my bow are square where they attach to the riser, not angled like yours. I am wondering if I have a older or newer version or perhaps a knockoff. Can you shed any light on the difference? Thanks!

    • @arcoeco
      @arcoeco Před rokem

      You have the Mk2 version, so the latest version. The Mk1 version has the angles at the riser. I personally prefer the look of the Mk1 but I believe they changed it to make production easier.

  • @LionAstrology
    @LionAstrology Před rokem +1

    Thanks for another video.
    Have you guys ever messed around making other traditional shape bows from modern materials. A plains native style bow would be interesting it and would probably shoot little lightning bolts 😄

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před rokem +1

      We've messed around a bit with different bow profiles. At the moment we are considering the Comanche flatbow

    • @LionAstrology
      @LionAstrology Před rokem +1

      @@greatplainsbow Nice! that's going to be exciting to see. Osage may finally fall from the throne haha.

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před rokem +1

      @@LionAstrology 😁 I doubt it'll ever replace good ol osage selfbows, but it should be fun

  • @dustinchadwick7640
    @dustinchadwick7640 Před 6 měsíci +1

    If you had a stronger, bottom, limb, could you not just swap it with the top limb or is there something specific delineating in the top from the bottom?

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před 6 měsíci

      That's a good thought and yes you could if the limbs lined up correctly with the riser. On this particular bow they didn't

  • @bootsandgear
    @bootsandgear Před 6 měsíci

    Centre shot helps aiming. Without it even with 4.2 arrows they kick out.

  • @janehelberg9815
    @janehelberg9815 Před 3 měsíci

    Hi Chane Johan here I use my wife phone. Do you go 1/4 or 1/8 past center on riser? And how thick must the arrow rest calf hair must be so tiller won't be out? And how thick must the side plate leather be? Great rebuild there I am going to change my longbow also how you did it here it not centre shot.

  • @johanhelberglongbowsknifes1185
    @johanhelberglongbowsknifes1185 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Great videos buddy i am from South Africa need to know if i shoot three fingers under is the top limb still weaker and tiller more like one eight of inch or can i make tiller even for three finger under?

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před 4 měsíci +1

      You can make the tiller even or 1/16". Either one should work great

    • @johanhelberglongbowsknifes1185
      @johanhelberglongbowsknifes1185 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@greatplainsbowDo i still have to make the bottom limb sorter as the top limb longer or can the be both same length with even tiller for three under? Sorry to ask these questions i am building a replica Black Hunter..

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@johanhelberglongbowsknifes1185 no worries. Make the limbs the same length. Email me I'll help you. My email is on the website

    • @johanhelberglongbowsknifes1185
      @johanhelberglongbowsknifes1185 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@greatplainsbowThank you buddy appreciate it very mush i am going to put the limb in the heat box busy with it. I will email you. Have a awesome day.

  • @michaelcervantez3570
    @michaelcervantez3570 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Doesn't archers paradox take care of the slight offset?

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Somewhat, but not completely. A center shot bow will shoot a much larger variety of spines

  • @jayinla228
    @jayinla228 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Cool vid, how and where do you measure to see how off center it is?

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Measure the widest part of the limb. Then measure the width of the bow riser directly above the shelf. Or tighten a string directly centered above both limb bolts and sight down over the shelf area

    • @jayinla228
      @jayinla228 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@greatplainsbow Thanks, would the target width be half the width of the thickest part of the limb minus half the diameter of a shaft?

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@jayinla228 that's correct you got it

  • @denskky5284
    @denskky5284 Před 8 dny +1

    Greetings. Firstly, I apologize for the Google translation into English) There is a strange story with my BH bow: the bow is 30 pounds, the arrows are 500 spine, when shooting with three fingers under the arrow, the arrows go to the right, despite the greater rigidity for such a poundage. When shooting with a Mediterranean grip, they move to the left. The lower the fingers are located under the arrow, the greater the displacement of the arrows to the right in the target. Several people shot with different techniques and the results were approximately the same. With what it can be connected? Shoulder tiller? Or, perhaps, due to the fact that the bow is still a little off-centre?

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před 8 dny +1

      @@denskky5284 there's a good chance it's a tiller problem, but you should be shooting 600 spine with a 30# bow

    • @denskky5284
      @denskky5284 Před 8 dny +1

      @@greatplainsbow Yes, immediately after buying the bow I used 600 spine arrows. When aiming at the center of the target, they went too far to the right, about the radius of a standard FITA target for 18 meters. Then I took 500 spine arrows and with them the hits shifted to the left - I managed to hit the center of the target more often.
      As I already wrote, this problem exists among several shooters who tried to shoot with this bow.
      So, if the problem is the tiller, what should I do? Increase or decrease the base of the lower arm?

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před 8 dny +1

      @@denskky5284 if you've tried different spines and it still does it than it is most likely that the bow needs to be cut past center

    • @denskky5284
      @denskky5284 Před 8 dny +1

      @@greatplainsbow so the problem is insufficient centershot? To be honest, I thought so myself, because the arrow on the shelf protrudes too much to the left of the bowstring projection.

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před 8 dny +1

      @@denskky5284 most likely that is the problem

  • @ourmontanahome7291
    @ourmontanahome7291 Před rokem

    Do you offer this as a service? If yes how much per bow?
    Thanks great video

  • @Terpedup925
    @Terpedup925 Před rokem +1

    Ok so I checked my tiller on my black hunter and both top and bottom limbs around about 6 3/8” is that okay?

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před rokem +1

      Well that's even tiller which isn't correct tiller, but if you're getting good arrow flight without porpoise then it'll be ok

    • @Terpedup925
      @Terpedup925 Před rokem +1

      @@greatplainsbow cool thanks for the reply. Yes I’m getting good arrow flight. I just made it a center shot. Gonna test it out when I get off of work. Hopefully that fixes the aiming to the right to hit my target.

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před rokem

      @@Terpedup925 that's great! Good luck and happy shooting!

  • @jerrythompson9111
    @jerrythompson9111 Před 22 dny +1

    What about even tiller for 3 finger under???

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před 22 dny

      @@jerrythompson9111 tiller always depends on how high the shelf is above the fulcrum of the bow. On the black hunters even tiller would work, but it wouldn't be the ideal tiller due to the shelf being a ways up from the fulcrum. 1/16"-1/8" is much better

    • @jerrythompson9111
      @jerrythompson9111 Před 22 dny +1

      @@greatplainsbow thank you. You always show much needed things for us wontbe bowers.

  • @henrysscrollsawworks6917
    @henrysscrollsawworks6917 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I have about a 28 1/2 inch draw length would it hurt to get a 29inch draw bow ❓❓❓

  • @louiekiwi
    @louiekiwi Před 9 měsíci

    Right off the bat, it may not be a genuine original manufacturer bow. Because my Black Hunter is in excellent condition.

  • @halfdanlothbrock8587
    @halfdanlothbrock8587 Před rokem +1

    Bet it's a bit quieter also

  • @robertlipsey6056
    @robertlipsey6056 Před 8 měsíci

    How much do you charge to modify a Black Hunter arrow shelf?

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před 8 měsíci

      If I don't do the refinishing then just $50. If I rework the shelf and refinish the riser it'd be $150

    • @robertlipsey6056
      @robertlipsey6056 Před 8 měsíci

      @@greatplainsbow Thank you very much for your reply. I’m going to have to give this some thought. I’m thinking I might have it done. I’m sure I could refinish the riser. I have refinished gun stocks before. About what would your turn around time be?

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před 8 měsíci

      @@robertlipsey6056 if it's just the shelf probably two weeks till you get it back

    • @robertlipsey6056
      @robertlipsey6056 Před 8 měsíci

      @@greatplainsbow. 👍

  • @Chance-ry1hq
    @Chance-ry1hq Před rokem +2

    I bought a Black Hunter, it shoots just fine as it is. Interesting video, but a waste of time on a Black Hunter, unless you just want to work on your woodworking skills.

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před rokem +3

      I disagree. There are lots of people that want to up their game. Also the more you get into archery and understand bows the more you learn how to get more from your equipment.

    • @Chance-ry1hq
      @Chance-ry1hq Před rokem +4

      @@greatplainsbow Like I said, my Black Hunter shoots just fine. When I want to up my game, I’ll buy one of your bows.

  • @germansahidbeltranardila2985
    @germansahidbeltranardila2985 Před 11 měsíci

    Huuuuuyyyyyyyyyyyyiiii q bien pero no le entiendo su lugua

  • @ullikuschal8000
    @ullikuschal8000 Před rokem +1

    OK this is a cheap China bow... But that's not comparable to a custom bow...you get really good stuff for the money. A chentershot is not necessary in my eyes. Also, in my opinion, a hybrid longbow does not need a tapper... But thanks for the honest assessment

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před rokem +1

      Those are good thoughts. A taper is important because it allows the bowyer to strategically control when and where the limbs bend. This increases performance tremendously in traditional bows. Without a taper the bow is just subjected to the original form and the only way to increase performance is bow length and weight.

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před rokem +5

      As far as the centershot you are correct it's not necessary to shoot the bow, but people are shooting bows for the fun of it and part of the fun is tweaking you're equipment to get optimum performance and enjoyment from the sport

    • @ullikuschal8000
      @ullikuschal8000 Před rokem +1

      @@greatplainsbow That's absolut true no doubt about it... But on a that price it should be OK...

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před rokem +1

      @@ullikuschal8000 yep. I agree

    • @jowhi9296
      @jowhi9296 Před rokem

      When you draw the bow to figure out weight at 28" where do you measure the 28"? Front or back of riser? I see people doing it many ways, or assuming arrow lengths based on someone's assumed draw length and I don't necessarily agree to that. Just curious how you measured! Thanks

  • @ruffhausmalinois
    @ruffhausmalinois Před rokem

    I'm surprised the southern gentleman cannot read Mandarin.

  • @henrycruz45cal
    @henrycruz45cal Před 7 měsíci +1

    $300 work on an $90 bow

    • @donaldbuckner2935
      @donaldbuckner2935 Před 5 měsíci

      Even though it was worth it I feel the same. I guess he is encouraging us all to do it ourselves and save the money. Some would not like this option. I think it is a great option.

  • @JoMammaSmurf
    @JoMammaSmurf Před rokem +1

    Post a follow up on how to reseal it!! This was very very informative.

  • @jamescooper2618
    @jamescooper2618 Před rokem +1

    I don't understand why people think these are great bows. Makes me believe they never got to shoot a great bow.

    • @greatplainsbow
      @greatplainsbow  Před rokem +6

      Well I don't think it's that they think they are so great over American made custom bows, but lots of people can't afford expensive bows so they buy a black hunter and then have a positive attitude about it so it seems like they think the black hunter is the best, but really they are just enjoying the sport the best way they can which is awesome

    • @fredtremblay9530
      @fredtremblay9530 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Its that they are a great bow for their intended purpose...they arent meant to compete with high end and customs