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Joavan Puran On India's Influence On Jamaican Culture, Rastafari, And Spirituality Across The World
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Joavan Puran is a Jamaican contemporary artist whose work is inspired by metaphysics and Rastafari.
In part 1 of this reasoning, Puran shares India's immense influence Jamaican culutre, Rastafari, and spirituality across the world.
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Great video. I made one coming from the Hindu side and there was alot of negative feedback saying I was spreading false information. I wish I had seen this video earlier so I could have linked to it!
Indojamaicans has done sooooo much in Jamaica and jamaicans know and acknowledge it. The only people who dony like to hear it is afruvan Americans who want u to lie to them and tell them what they want to hear. Halle selasie is Ethiopian (black and Indian). BLACK JAMICANS HAS INDIAN IN THEIR BLOOD. ROMEICH THE PRODUCER FOR SHENSEEA.
There's false information in this video too. Dreads are an AfroJamaican hairstyle. They may be worn in India too but they already existed in Africa and amongst African diasporans. Rastafarianism is based out of Judeo-Christian belief not Hinduism. Rastafarianism is a religion born out of the experience of the trans Atlantic slave trade, the identity of Black people in a new world, and their struggle under colonialism. The religion itself has little to do with Hinduism however ganja was borrowed from Hinduism and there may be some aspects of Hinduism that Rastas adopted but what those specific aspects are has to be discerned. The main and clearest one is ganja as a sacrament.
I am not this body,
I am not this mind,
Immortal self I am
💟🕉️
nirvana shatakam. Sri Adi Shankaracharya Bhagavan, 8th century bc.
As an Indian dread Shaiva, more love to my Rasta brothers and sisters 🙏🏽 ❤️
Life reasoning powerfull fyah
Give it to dem SPLINTAFYAH
There was an Explosion of dreadlocks in the 1950s when pictures emerged of field marshal
Dedan Kimathi Waciuri a Kenyan freedom fighter wearing beautiful locks.
He was a leader in the mau mau movement that fought a guerrilla war against the colonialists and ultimately led to the independence of Kenya and many African nations.
The mau mau and other freedom movements in the region were heavily influenced by the nyabingi.
When the British captured and killed the field marshal they put out propaganda brochures with his picture (in gorgeous locks) thinking it would dissuade would be rebels. But it had the opposite effect. In British colonies the oppressed identified with the freedom fighters and adopted symbols like locks and nyabingi.
Fun fact: his wife Muthoni Kirima wore her locks for the rest of her life till her death at 92 (over 70 years later).
In traditional African society Locs are adopted by spiritually gifted and guided people “dada” in west Africa as well as deep rebels and freedom fighters but is often cut off after conflicts as they reintegrate into society.
Grateful for I reasoning 🙏
Serious tings...Truth always reveal ❤
What a powerful reasoning
One love bro! Thank you for bigging up the ancient truth of dharma and the history of India. I hope one day the original peoples of this earth unite and form our own world order. One of melanated values like love, compassion, ascetism, and so on. It was our people that built what man still cant do to this day!
Patiently waiting on Part 2
part two is out
Knowledge!!! Bless 🆙 thank you! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Great full to have made a contribution. 🙂
@joavanpuran3495 Keep up the good work and teachings of the truth 👏 👏
I mean Leonard Howell..says it all. Didn't Christ study in India?. The truth as well, is that the Indian influence is vast especially in Guyana & Trinidad 🇹🇹. Very interesting,
No Sahdus travelled to JA. The influence of locks came from the Mau Mau. Sahdus had absolutely no intention of working for the white man. Do more research instead of believing random folk on you tube.
All this is true. I applaud your contribution to the topic. As mark twain spoke illustriously of India not only being the great grand mother of traditions but also that ‘any attempt to Date Indian antiquity will prove fruitless’.
@@solarscience5815 after all that flop flop, Rasta was influenced by the Jewish equivalent of Hercules and numbers 6. And not the Mau mau fighters. As this scientific illiterate person thinks
@@Nkosi766 Provide evidence for your confused claims. First you said it was sadhus 😂😂now you’re saying it’s Jews 🤣🤣🤣. I guess you’re just projecting your own confusion as a Muslim. I get it brah 😃
@@solarscience5815 find where I said any such thing about sadhus, narcissist
Big upz all the Rishiz 🙏🏼🕉️❤️💛💚
There is a connection between the concept Of I and I that Rasta speak of, and Bhagavan Sri Raman’s Maharishi’s self inquiry on the “I”.
Fire 🔥🔥🔥
i seen Joavan i instantly clicked Great artist Great interview i’m tuned in mi G 👑👑👑salute 🔥
Respect and honour everytime
This dude has revisionist knowledge in my view. I’d be happy to debate him on Rasta history and knowledge anytime. I’d be happy to do it on I never knew TV.
ok since you avoiding the questions its obvious you chasing clout. @solarscience5815 you cant even make a good weed sales pitch without calling for people with different views to commit suicide, and you want to debate with your four followers, lol, he wants to be seen so badly. thats all we want to do, rival, prove who knows more, if you knew something you would have presented it to the world, enought to be seen by this. again you failed to answer any questions i ask, now on something you MUST know since you are a solar scientist scholar; how many slaves did queen njinga of tanzania sell to fellow slavers coming to the Caribbean mr solar?
@@solarscience5815 yet no one asked for your opinion and your comment is free will where’s your video? 🤔🤦🏿♂️
@@boobieh319I don’t need a video. I’ll comment where and when I wish whether I’m asked or not. I have knowledge to counter act this revisionist view of Rastafari history.
This... now I understand why my ex-police jamaican father hated my guts for my natural state and vexfully called it out as "lack of ambition" on multiple occasions, which perplexed 4 year old me who then tried to grasp this "ambition" thing which he wanted me to have(which boy doesn't impulsivly want to satisfy his father's desire and hope for him).
As an "autistic" and not so bright child seeking to bypass his innate limits; I obviously saw how blinding the pull of such very focused desire or "ambition" could become(practically affirmed by eveey bit of folklore any child is exposed to). My initial refusal to be "ambitious" wasn't even out of fear for how others can use the blindness born of it as means to control and destroy me but simply refusing to become even more oblivious than my innate condition, a condition which ironically felt extremely discerning and well balanced yet limited in not having all the "sense" I wanted to grasp.
My father obviously felt a measure of envy mixed in with his scorn for me being incapable of being "ambitious" but this video let me know that a lot of that hate and the way he treated me was probaly projected wrath toward the rasta(whom the police were at war with, during his time, a time before my birth and possibly all through my early childhood, I moved to Canada and didn't pay attention after).
He must have felt slighted by "life" or "fate" to essentially be providing food and shelter to what was his antithesis and apparent shame, life is pretty funny.
Oh damn. That hurts. By best to you, and hope you not afraid to seek therapy. The police and soldiers or of different mindset. Jamaicans really hated Rasta, and even today Rasta is not celebrated in Jamaica. I was a Rasta, and my ppl didn’t take lightly to it but I didn’t care. However just the other day, I went outta town and wanted to spend some time with a family member. They stay with a X Jamaican soldier, who said I couldn’t stay there because I had locs . In these times he’s still prejudice. Dude used to pretend we were friends. I unfriended him. That’s his issue, the good thing is he’s on his last leg. The bad thing is old racist, raises young racist to take their place.
All the best to you and hope you find healing. That’s gotta be a hurtful feeling.
Yow this Is a form of auto-ethnographic account on such a topical issue that is not often spoken of. Give thanks for sharing this view. The non ambitious is so easily misread based on the somewhat parallel scope of those who are downright lazy or uninterested in life.
Educate inform inspire
Love this channel
Awesome let the truth be known ❤
It is good to note that the emperor Haile Selassie did not have locks nor did he use marijuana. The nature of the occult or Mistic knowledge gained by rastas through meditation and philosophical discourse on life and existence can be seen as the turning key to understanding key terms to note such as “liberation” which encapsulates the fundamentals of all the goals of man. To be fully free from all suffering. This is hinged on the premise of the best possible life to actualize this state of being unattached to the world but totally involved as equally to be fully aware of life complexities and doing what is necessary for the species to reach the said state.
Shiva did. Now that’s a god.
Well said kingman .
@@Nkosi766 respect Negus.
@@joavanpuran3495interesting video called “Ancient testimonies” in which Flacko clarifies that Sahdus did not inspire locks. He’s a little misguided in somethings as he even credits them for self reliance in Rasta 😂. All honest scholars know it was Garvey influenced. Time to stop extrapolating brother.
@@solarscience5815 do some more research, you getting there. took you two weeks to know that much, continue the journey.
wow truth hits
Hare Krishna ❤
This is powerful. Where in Jamaica do you find people like this?
Cockburnpen,Rae town,Vere in Clarendon,Port Maria in St Mary.
All of Westmoreland
All over Jamaica 🇯🇲
I need to look into this
Locks started with the Mau Mau not no Indians. This is what the howelites told me. They should know they were there. Research that. Don’t just accept random folk talking out of their hats. Due diligence.
Blessings my brother. To note that clarity is key, two important ooh ya to make here:
1. Rastafari movement started 1930s.
2.the Mau Mau uprising 1950s.
Now I accept that the Mau Mau Uprising did impact Jamaicans and Rasta thought process and it still does, but as you say, “dont just accept random folk talking out of their hats”, do the research. What aspects of Mau Mau culture did Leonard Howell and priest Lalu develop the name ‘gong guru’ that bob marley later adopted?
@@joavanpuran3495Howell and Laloo were not the only people developing Rasta. Locks in Rastafari started with Youth Blak Faith. They were second generation Ras. Do your research brother. Stop talking out your hat. From Youth Blak Faith came Nyahbhingi, Bobo and to a lesser extent 12 tribes. All the leaders of these 3 movements were in YTB. You have no clue brother. I told you I’m happy to debate you anytime any place.
@solarscience5815 and all rastafari movement had locks, twelve tribes adopted purely christian views and an interpretation of the emperor's embodiment of christ establishing his kingdom, liberation and subsequent adoptation of jewish views that denounced jesus as savior as well as the star of david use amoung other jewish symbolisms. and the davidic line following the abrahamic religion that also adopted locks from hinduism that predated it. now howell didnt have locks, neither does the emperor, nor does the emperor smoke, even tho some rastas still say the emperor use weed to try take india out the picture all together, but the influence is there. i have no clue. now you admit earlier that india only give rasta weed and ital food, where did Renunciate culture come from and still is? compare the similarities with the mau mau and rasta culture, not jus hairstyle, you profess a good game, as an armchair fan.
@@solarscience5815 laloo and Howell were the instrumental ones who brought their own research to understand the nature of existence, along with other aspects. they knew the important contribution of indians who were still has a 100,000 year old civilization intact and still practice the same science today. they fused this understanding with seeing Haile Selassie as the Jagat guru (eternal teacher) and master of time and space, and know that like india we can have our own god and defiance to oppression.
Just take a look at Sadhu men. The hairstyle, the chalice, look familiar ?
You’re extrapolating. There is no evidence of sahdus in Jamaica. Rastafari locks were inspired by the Mau Mau fighting the British in Kenya circa late 40’s/ early 50’s not any Indians.
@@solarscience5815 chalice, ganja, hair wraps Kenyan too ?
@@ubahfly5409 Chalice possibly. Calling herb ganja is of Indian origin. Actualy Congolese labourers brought ganja into Jamaica before Indians arrived. They used it in the Kulungu/ Kumina rituals. Wearing hairwaraps is not part of Rasta culture per se. Do you have any evidence to prove that hair wraps was inspired by Indians? Not sure what Kenya’s got to do with anything. There’s no evidence that sadhus were in Jamaica whatsoever. Do you have any actual evidence they were?
@@solarscience5815 Aha so you concede to 2 out of 3! That's more than enough to support my assertion. Rasta culture is rasta culture. It's legitimacy does not depend on tracing every single element back to Africa. All cultures take bits and pieces from cultures before them. I find this fixation with denying any Indian influence so petty & insecure. U folks act like this somehow takes away from the legitimacy Black diasporan culture. It reeks of insecurity. No one is saying Rasta isn't a product of African culture or that Indians somehow gave them their swag lol, but one could be forgiven for thinking so given the hyper-defensive precious attitudes such as yours.
@@solarscience5815 Furthermore, whatever influence they adopted, Rasta culture belongs to Rastas, to BLACK decendants of the Motherland, they made it their own. Any Indian influence is but an interesting asthetic side note. Indians are not the "fathers" of Rasta culture. Yall need to relax lol.
The main thing you got to know about India is how diverse it is from thousands of years of different people migrating into it. The low caste indentured servants from India have an ancient East African origin that’s different from the high caste who came out of Iran and Central Asian countries. That’s why “Indian” can’t be considered a race only a nationality or country of descent.
interesting!!!
speak more insight?
All due respect, that's colonial horse shit.
@@devinedude3690 Thousands of years ago there were eastward migrations out of what’s now Egypt, Sudan and Ethiopia. The groups who went on to India pushed into the area around Sumeria and Elam and settled there for a while. Those people continued eastward because of invasions until they reached the area that spawned the Indus Valley Civilization.
Just like Africa the Indian subcontinent is divided into different parts, North India, South, East and West. Indus Valley Civilization was in the northwest of India and is now mostly Pakistan. Eventually groups of a different origin from what’s now Turkey, Iran and other Central Asian countries started to migrate into the Indian subcontinent from that side of India since the north east is blocked by the Himalayas.
The people of the Indus were pushed out and mostly settled in the East and South of India but they were still heavily present in the north as well. There were tribal natives in these areas who were distantly related to Melanesian people. These natives and the migrants from the Indus mixed together and created their own cultures, languages, traditions and kingdoms all over India, they’re known as “Adivasi”(original people) today.
Thousands of years passed and wave after wave of migrants from the north poured into India and introduced the Vedic culture. The caste system was put into place and starting in the extreme north the Indians who were mixed with the Central Asians, Turk-Mongols, Persians etc. became the upper caste and the ones with a dominant native mix stayed low with chances of upwards class mobility. This continued into the East and South even after heavy resistance from the Adivasi kingdoms. They continued to mix beliefs and traditions and what we call modern day Hinduism is a mix of the Vedic and thousands of Adivasi belief systems. This is why there are so many gods, schools of thought, paths to enlightenment, scriptures and traditions; each of which are more dominant depending on where exactly in India you are.
The indentured Indians who came to Jamaica, Trinidad, Guyana etc. were from the East, South and isolated North parts of India where violating the caste system meant death so they’re heavily Adivasi mixed meaning of ancient East African origin even if they don’t exactly look like modern East Africans and all they know is India since that’s where they’ve been the last couple of millenniums.
@@dravidianking1298 cool... Interesting
@@dravidianking1298 I have read that many indentured labourers taken to Mauritius, South Africa and the Caribbean were Tamil. I understand that Tamils are Dravidian. Aren't Dravidians more closely related to Melanesian and Australian Aboriginal peoples than east Africans?
By the way I have east African Nilotic heritage. Nilotes originate from Sudan/South Sudan and are found in several east African countries and DR Congo.
om namah ShivaYah
Love this. Jamaicans are mixed with indians indentured servants who worked for less than a dollar and died on the sugar cane planatations . Give indojamaicans creditm give those pll credit
🙏🏾shivoham
The first Rasta.
@@joavanpuran3495 the first Rastas did not wear locks....neither did they view marijuana as a sacrament....they probably were not even vegetarians....all these extra nonsense were developed later as Rasta evolved....
Rasta-For-I
I didn’t think he was going to answer the question, but he did. And he came correct, it’s a melting pot of culture. Give credit where credit is due. Brilliant.
They were indentured servants not slaves. Coolie , or unskilled laborers from India, were not slaves.
No sahdus travelled to Jamaica. They were spiritual men who had no interest in working for no wht man. Locks started with the Mau Mau not no Indians. Due diligence
@@solarscience5815 if you’re saying the Rasta get locs from Kenyan rebels, that is a possibility. But to say that’s where it started, you are wrong. Locs been in India before the Bronze Age collapse. Locs is not exclusive to Africans as much as we may believe so.
As for these spiritual man coming to Jamaica, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
@@Nkosi766 I’m saying locks in Rastafari started with Mau Mau, they’re the facts confirmed by Howelites and the well respected Rasta historian Barry Chevanes. Provide evidence that Indians started locks historically? I’m all ears.
@@solarscience5815 . Thanks for clarification. Historically who started locs . That I don’t claim to know, we can find it in India even in Greek paintings early as 16th bce. Earlier archaeological evidence would be the Egyptian.
@@Nkosi766Glad we cleared that up. There is archeological evidence to affirm that locks started in Afrika. Obviously as Afrikans travelled out of Afrika our culture and way of life developed amongst others too.
The fact you’re not aware of the discussion about spiritual men coming to JA shows you are disingenuous and troll. Why are you here?
Flacko was the incient
Ras Flacki indeed. He cake to i gates and we spoke of these things. Then I saw an interview with him speaking more on this.
@@joavanpuran3495 respect that.
Flacko at no time said the sadhus inspired locks.
@@solarscience5815 you beating a dead horse and a false narrative. Give it a rest. You the only person to bring up sadhus and dread locs. What about the chillum pipe.
@@solarscience5815 oh happy new year to you.
So what do you have for us to learn from our Black people 👁️✊🏿
Black black black slavery slavery slavery Africa Africa Africa.Our biggest issue
I’m Indian I’ve told Jamaicans Rastafarian originated in India. They don’t believe me. Ppl need to go into in depth research.
It’s Rastafari not Rastafarian. It didn’t originate in India it started in Garvey’s organisation. I have researched it and it absolutely did not start in India. You need to do more research as you’re not even from Jamaica to know how it started. You’ve watched a couple of you tube vids filmed by ppl who lack real knowledge.
Some aspects are from India. Marcus Garvey and the Bible play a bigger part.
Some influences, sure, but not originate. The movement started in the 1930s by preachers and messengers such as Howell, Dunkley and Bedward. There were no pioneer Indian rastafari in the early days, they were all black with no significant insight into Hinduism. They were more influenced by christianity, revival and pocomania as well as garveyism.
@@tatu8663Bedward was not a preacher of Rastafari. Although many of his followers, including Rastafari preacher Robert Hinds, did join the movement.
@solarscience5815 You're right, he wasn't technically a rastaman but he was a sort of precursor.
Indians have locksed thier hair before rasta but rasta didn't start locksing thier hair because of indians.
Good answer double Greg
On point brother. We have some deluded ppl who think the bible and not the Mau Mau was the inspiration for locks in Rasta.
Can someone translate this to English
Ethiopia is the mother's and father of Indiana and locks is Coming from Ethiopia the indus Cush valley the name is the key
They even profess this.
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The facts are that locks in Rasta started with the Mau Mau not no Indians. No Sahdus travelled to JA as they eschewed a material lifestyle. Why would a spiritual man travel to JA to work for the wht man? It makes zero sense.
The Hindus valley does account for the formation of Indian and Ethiopian civilizations. The emperor Haile Selassie in an exchange with Yagiraj spoke of the influences of India on Ethiopian spirituality and there is also evidence of Ethiopian women marrying Indian men and visaversa. I don’t doubt that Ethiopia is older than India, But the traditions of Rasta more co-relate to that of Hindus. Not only is Sanskrit the oldest language known, I spoke of the concurrent relation and establishment of both people that originated from one region on earth. Kush is both Indian and Ethiopian. Fascinatingly there is still mojendro daro city from harrapan civilization in the ancient hindis valley. You should take a look. Also take a look at Indian influence in all of Asia and Europe and the Caribbean.
You are correct brother. Locks started in the motherland. There is archaeological evidence to affirm locks in Afrika before India. I think some Rasta have Indian in them and want to give all the credit from Afrika to India. This brother doesn’t even know that Mau Mau inspired locks in Rasta. He doesn’t know that Congolese free men came with herbs to JA before any Indians. They don’t want to hear the truth brother. Just their own beliefs.
Good video but you lost me when you said indentured slaves they weren’t slaves they were indentured servants
How do u know? Why do u speak for them? They barely got pay or didn't get pay at alllll. Stop making them look good. Some were slvz
Hot oil pan dem
Jamaicans all have indojamaicans in their backgrounds. Jamaicans are not fully black. Jamaicsns are a mixture of blk, indo, native jamaican arawak and chieese jamaicsns
Yes Indian culture did influence Rastafari in some ways but where did the Indian get this culture from? Ancient Africa. You see Sacred locks on the heads of many on the walls of the pyramids in Kemet . Concrete evidence where locks came from
What evidence that the depiction on the walls are locs?
Real talk they absolutely got it from Afrika. Furthermore there’s archeological evidence to prove it too. I suspect these ppl have Indian in them and are channelling this foolishness on blak ppl. Don’t worry about them.
Yes brother! Indians get it from our God Shiva! It is said that in the form of the original Yogi, Shankaran, he had immense dread locks called jatta in our languages.
Aaaahhhhhh this brother is bringing spirituality. The comment section arguing who’s more spiritual black or Indian 😂😂😂😂. Take a poll. India is more spiritual than Israel the so called holy land. Have more vegetarians more than any other country in the world. Swami sadhu and guru’s been around for at least 5000 years… holy men of no worldly possessions..Ganja is a Sanskrit word. Rasta is a life style. Eating ital smoking ganja .. today anyone with dreads can call dem self Rasta but the bashing kfc Macdonald and Burger King. Fiahhh bun dem bald head . 😂😂😂😂
it is true that some Indians used to lock there hair since way back, but some Africans also used to lock their hair since way way back....and I'm quite sure the Africans did not copy it from the Indians because it's a natural hairstyle for African textured hair as soon as you stop combing it.....even Yoruba culture in the heart of west Africa has what we call "Dada" special children who are born with locks, and then they don't cut their hair from birth and let it continue to grow naturally
The thing is my brother, there is a direct similarity to the customs and visual culture of Hindus with locks and rastas with locks. The direct relation can be found in more than just hair. The entirety of the contract of Rasta is not purely subject to Indian influences but more so how Jatta (locks) ganja, vegetarian, the red gold and green drum (damaru), the concept of “the i” within, knowing ones “self”, nondualism, meditation, liberation as the goal of man, knowing truth for yourself, guru disciple relationship, killing of the ego,fear,desire,anger,hatred,lust etc. amoung other essentials to life all relate to Rasta and Hindu.
You are correct that not only Yoruba but Igbo and other nations amongst others had certain noble men who had locks from antiquity. Locks did not start with Hindu but with the Mau Mau. Congolese indentured Labour where using herbs before any Indians were in JA. Many aspects of Hinduism come directly from Aftikan culture like looking within self, oneness with nature, meditation, etc. Furthermore Howell being a Garveyite was well aware of ancient Kemet and her teachings. Some ppl are obsessed with giving Indians more credit than is factual.
This the music man. Nice music bruh.
Lol my friend from Sierra Leone always telling me about babies born with locs. lol I don’t believe him , nor you. But it’s a great story.
@@solarscience5815 here you go , in 21st century, claiming to know where locs start and where was from antiquities. You’re not that old and you don’t know everything. Be quiet
@@joavanpuran3495 what did Garvey teach about Egypt? And what a preacher man like Howell gonna know about Egypt other than the Israelites where enslaved their? Can you speak for Howell. Oh my bad you’re a know it all
This man needs to read up on the ancient relationship between India & Africa (Ethiopia)
India was called eastern ethiopia.
Haile selassie trod india nuff time
You’re right. He has limited knowledge and he knows it. Locks started with the Mau Mau not any Indians. No Sahdus travelled to JA as they were living a non materialistic life. He has no evidence to prove that Indians started locks. He’s just a follower.
I agree. I am still a student. Inform me as to what aspects of this untouched topic would prove essential to our growth? I am willing to know more.
What’s the ancient relationship, that that’s where Ethiopia sold their slaves? Like Malik Ambar.
@@solarscience5815 you sound like a broken record. No sadhus traveled to Jamaica 😂🤣 like you know who left India and went to JA. Know it all usually don’t know nothing at all
He said black wash everything. Yep, that’s what we do. Jamaica is a mixed pot of culture. Let the Africans tell it , it’s all African culture, while speaking English 😂
More than half the globe speak English!
Jamaica is over 75% Black, any fool with a IQ bigger than their shoe size will connect the dots that obviously African culture is the dominant or predominant culture of the island.
And what do we Black wash??
I always see you in comments section on these Black history channel's saying some crazy things!!
@@JimmyCrackCorn_ most of Rasta culture is from Indian. Hello name a vegetarian culture from west Africa. We feast on the pig in Africa, drink blood straight from the cow. Maybe one day you may be smart enough to understand my comments , but I doubt it
@@JimmyCrackCorn_ The longest recorded dread locs is an India man, not an African. And I’m an African with dread locs. Who can admit that.
I thought locs originated from Mau Mau fighters?
Spot on. We must encourage more ppl to do their research instead of believing random like this dude. I know it started with the Mau Mau because Howelites told me. They should know.
Nah. India had locks way before that.
@@joavanpuran3495 Indian hair is straight like the whites, how does it loc ?
@@andresene7648 the same way every other people did it. the way the maori in new zealand. the way Buddhist have locks. the purpose behind these cultures are different. like the masai in east africa has a diferent view on thier locks than sadhus in india.
@@joavanpuran3495Afrikan ppl do not twist their hair like everyone else to grow locks brother.
Jesus also studied in Ethiopia
The Ethiopian monks and the mau mau from Kenya wear locks.....and I am sure they did not get it from India......the Rastafarians in Jamaica started wearing locks when they saw their brothers and sisters in Africa wearing locks, especially the mau mau when they were fighting the British.....it became a symbol of Resistance.....so I don't know what this man is talking about.....
mau mau don’t have a 10,000 year old history of locks, non violence, renounciation, self inquiry, non dualistic, philosophical deconstruction and total awareness of the true nature of existence. There is much merit to the Ethiopian saints and monks who adopted Christianity first in the 4th century. Now which tradition goes back and which aspects of Rasta can be found most and similar to these traditions. Help me understand.
@@joavanpuran3495What’s all that got to do with being inspired to grow your locks? Once again you’re extrapolating without providing any evidence. I’m still happy to debate you mr revisionist.
@@solarscience5815 hey hard head pickney that’s not the topic of the video
@@joavanpuran3495 you’re right kingman,
@@joavanpuran3495 How do you know that the Mau Mau don't have a 10000 year old history of locks?....you don't know that......
Kenya Mau Mau rebel fighters which inspired the rasta loc's, Not the Sadhu's of India
Youth Black Faith emerged in the late 1940s, founded by Arthur, Watu and Pan-Handle. It was the Youth Black Faith who started wearing their hair in dreadlocks. They were more militant than the early Rastafari, taking their inspiration from the Mau Mau colonial resistance in Kenya.
From Rasta scholar Michael Barnet: The many faces of Rastafari: Doctrinal diversity within the Rastafari movement.
If ppl want to really know where locks came from then watch “the bearded ones”. From 16:30 Fillmore Alvaranga, a howelite, tells you exactly how locks came about. From the Mau Mau. Barry Chevanes the well known and respected Rasta historian confirms this. Now why would I or anyone listen to this dude when ppl who were actually there say it was Afrikan inspired. You have a lot more learning to do young man. Go forth and get right knowledge then come back with facts not speculation.
again. I address the mau mau issue, the discredited facts of the gong guru and priest Lalu (who no one speaks of) side of not jus the origin of locks or the cultural practices garnered from Indian influences in the entire Caribbean region should non longer be swept away with anger. The mau mau uprising was what year? And how long before that was locks in India with similarity in lifestyle to rastas.
@@joavanpuran3495 No one cares how long locks were in India. We are talking about how locks started in Rastafari. Respond to that if you can. Here’s a clue: it wasn’t Indians. We give credit we’re it’s due. Don’t confuse the TRUTH with anger. That’s your confusion only.
@@solarscience5815 indian culture directly influenced rasta, locks even today still represent the same ideas and concept in india as with rasta, good to note howellites who know that lonard howel the gong guru was aware of locks sadhus who worshiped a god who had locks and smoked ganja name shiva. locks in india predate locks almost everywhere else so tell me where you
dont understand that mr solar scientist.
@@joavanpuran3495Please explain why Rastafari grow their hair seeing you know so much.
Provide evidence that locks started in India?
You talk with no knowledge
@@joavanpuran3495Howell did not have locks and neither did any of the Forefathers. Explain that if he was so influenced by Indians as you claim?
This is the most disgusting sounding thing I've heard in my life
India cultured u my boy. Relax yourself
Indeed. I agree. India has the strongest culture. Check the yoga pants you wearing right now young lady.
That’s funny as Afrika cultured Indians my girl. Seccle yourself
@@deeagnol 🤣🤣🤣
THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS HAD DREADS
Stop it
This video is about how Indian influences in Jamaican culture you out here talk about Egyptian and Acient Egyptian were not Black
@@blasianking1739 So where’s your proof Ancient Egyptians are not blak when educated scholars like Dr Ben and Chiek Anta Diop say it was? Evidence as talk is cheap.
Modern India is not ancient India, modern Ethiopia is not ancient Ethiopia. Ethiopia was blk people, not a land mass. Burnt face people are Ethiopians . Ethiopia of the bible is Nubia kush which is modern day Sudan
yes and even the people who lived in what we now call Ethiopia had their ow ancient spiritual systems long before they adopted Coptic Christianity, and Islam those are young religions, not ancient ones...
@@proverbalizer indeed, some of those beliefs system are way more interesting than the Abrahamic. Ezana was son of a god b4 he converted, like Octavia
You are speaking error my brother....modern Ethiopia is ancient Ethiopia......we can safely say this because of the monarchy.... that is why the monarchy was so important to us Rastafarians....it connected Ethiopians in modern times to Ethiopians 3000 years ago and beyond.....Haile Selassie can trace his lineage to 4000 years ago....the kebra negast and other parts of Ethiopian culture proves this.....also, Ethiopia of the bible is NOT modern day Sudan...that is an error being perpertrated by white people so refrain from repeating this error....
@@sethbilly3889 no it’s not. Ask the Greeks where they called Ethiopia. And it didn’t become Ethiopia until 1935. Ethiopia in the Bible is the kingdom of Cush/ kush, Axum king Ezana conquered ancient Ethiopia of the Bible 4th century. The eunuch in the Bible was from the court of Candace, Candace Amanireanus never ruled Abyssinia. And that’s a fact. So you and the Rastas are sadly wrong
@@sethbilly3889 The kebra Nagast is a book of fairy tales. A spin-off from biblical mythology.
3 problems with this. First of all Sadhus are from North India and it was East Indians that came to JA. Second Sadhus did not work, they lived like monks in India, so why would they travel to the other side of the world to work for the wht man? No Indians with locks traveled to JA. There's no evidence, no photos, no nutten. 3rd Howelites say it was the Mau Mau from Kenya that inspired locks in Rastafari not Indians. They should know. The truth shall set you free
@@JJ1969-z3p Flako was not at Pinnacle. He is part of the second generation not the first. The Howelites I listened to were there. Instead of a weak rebuttal provide evidence that what I’ve said is wrong. No Sahdus travelled to JA because they had absolutely no interest in working for no wht man. You have absolutely zero evidence to back your response. Locks started with Mau Mau prove me wrong.
I’ll help you with your limited research. Go watch “the bearded ones”. From 16:30 Fillmore Alvaranga, a howelite, tells you exactly how locks came about. From the Mau Mau. Barry Chevanes the well known and respected Rasta historian confirms this. Now why would I or anyone listen to you when ppl who were actually there say it was Afrikan inspired. You have a lot more learning to do young man. Go forth and get right knowledge then come back to me.
Before anything I agree that it was the Mau Mau who Rasta got inspired from. But for your first point Indentured Indians did come from north India, a good majority came from eastern UP which is a north Indian state bordering East Indian states. Eastern UP has the highest concentration of Sadhus in India, Varanasi or Benares is a major Eastern UP city where you see all them Sadhus by the Ganges. There are sadhus all over India regardless. Second point, the British exaggerated the legality of how they got the Indians to work. At the time a lot of Indians were protesting against the British and even fighting them because of how bad they were suffering under their tyranny. The sadhus were at the forefront of this resistance movement and were the best inspiration since they were holy men defending their religion. The British would arrest them, force their thumbprint on contracts, cut their locks and ship them off to the plantations as punishment. For a Sadhu leaving the motherland of India was like a death sentence and it was an example to keep the ones fighting in line. That’s how they ended up there even if they didn’t want to work.
@@dravidianking1298Regardless of if sadhus came to JA or not they did not inspire locks. That’s my point. We can say with confidence that Indians introduced ital but not all Rasta are Ital. So only the non meat eaters are influenced by that Indian aspect. I am not. The word ganja and gong are Indian influenced. Congolese indentured labour also brought In herbs for their Kungulu rituals. Nuff Ras don’t smoke herb neither are they influenced by Howells Indian name. The Indian influence in Rastafari is minimal from my view. It is Afrikan centred in thought and actions as opposed to religious.
@@dravidianking1298You still haven’t proven that sadhus were taken to JA. I see no actual evidence and no Howelite I spoke to mentioned them. Howell had an Indian friend but did not ever mention Sadhus. There no photos, no nothing just extrapolation brother.
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@@Facts_have_no_emotions 😢😢
This man talking a load of crap
Maybe u just dunce. Try to learn something