Real F-14 Pilot Demos Dogfighting Secrets in DCS
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F-14 Pilot and Top Gun graduate Rear Admiral "Nasty" Manazir, USN (Ret.) explains the concepts and techniques behind dogfighting with the Tomcat and then attempts to demo them flying the F-14B module in DCS.
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I'm sure I can speak for everyone when I say we would all love to see you fly RIO in DCS for someone like "Nasty" or even Growling Sidewinder. Sometimes GS and his friend Long Shot take turns being each other's RIO. Just a thought. Thanks for your time and your content.
Mate your aspect ratio is horribly wrong in the DCS recording
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So Nasty seemed frustrated by the wobble. Is that realistic for the 14? Or is it a sim thing and unrealistic?
Mooch, are you using the Virpil stick on the Warthog base?
Get a Virpil base, get the 100mm extension. Drop the center mount to the lowest pegs, and set the curves in DCS to 15 for pitch and roll.
All that will dramatically increase your precision and reduce the seesawing effect dramatically.
Anybody else find it amazing that we are getting DCS dogfighting instruction from a real Navy Rear Admiral and fighter pilot? Fantastic presentation.
It really is. It gives an expert like this with so much to teach an audience willing to learn.
Seriously, although I don't play DCS or have a rig, it's unreal to get this kind of education, for free (!).
It seriously is. I'm so glad that we get stuff like this from Nasty and Mooch. Great stuff.
It’s got to be fun for them too.. getting to relive their best days again - probably brings back a lot of good memories. I wish I could have experienced it in real life but I’ll definitely take this!!!!
It is surreal for sure.
I can't believe you got Admiral Nasty to show us armchair pilots how to dogfight. I'm both humbled and honored to watch such a video. Great info!
No kidding. I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing
am surprised that the tomcat likes 325 Kias specifically.
Watching the Admiral reaching for the canopy to push himslef around was indicative of how real this was for him. Right back in the seat again. Man these warriors are NEVER too old!
The exchange at 26:06 cracked me up.
Nasty "Yeah see, we're getting really slow because it's hard to maintain..."
Simulator "I feel the need! The Need for Speed!"
Nasty [totally deadpan] "OK, that guy just got fined for saying stupid Top Gun thing"
Auuuhhh!
The absolute best DCS Air-Air tutorial ever - by a country mile! Thanks guys and hope this may be the first of many!
I cannot begin to explain how much I loved this! Instruction from a real Navy admiral who flew the Tomcat. Best content ever🤟⚡
It's great to see 'Nasty' & 'Mooch' in their element, reliving their career and passing on the info (if only for a sim) to those with a similar passion and interest. Thanks again for contributing to DCS and the aviation field as a whole!
Ward I have endless respect for you guys. I think we may have been on a couple boats at different times in mid and late 80's. My platoon, Marines, were attached to various boats in the Med and Westpac cruises. Any free time, which being a Marine on ship, is Alot. But I'd spend as much time as possible up on the Catwalks, or bribe talk my way in LSO pit. I could watch you guys all day long.
This is just a small taste of the hundreds of hours spent in the classroom, before ever touching a single switch.
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That was so frickin cool😮 You can fill that he misses those days in the sky. And a fine for Jester for using a Top Gun line 😂😂
That was a master class, for sure. You GOTTA ask him to keep doing these videos. This is just WAY too cool! Question: Does the Admiral have DCS on his home machine? I ask because it would be SO tough to see you two flying together. Would like to meet this gentleman. Seems like a way good sport, and neither one of you guys knows HOW much I appreciate your time, as well as his, for these videos he does. Thank you!
At first I didn't know what to expect but this brought some very fond memories .... Back in 2000-2002 as young HAF Tech Sergeant I was hanging out with the F-16 jockeys at the QRA "hut" talking about the very same principles . At the end of our duty shift we would go home and get together on line in our Falcon 4 sims .2v2 or 1v2 was so fun even when real viper guys massacring the servers ...
When i was younger (40 years ago) i would never guess that a few decades later i would watch 2 aviators (the real deal) teaching us in my favourite sim in VR. This is mental. Really appreciated, and thank you for sharing.
A little DCS video tip: When making this type of video I've found it's helpful to turn down the game master volume. That way the game sounds don't overwhelm the instructor's voice as it did a few times here. I hope that helps and please keep up the good work. I learned a lot!
You can tell nasty was a rough problem to solve in the air. He just needs more stick time in the game. Ward you also may want to look into increasing the resistance in your stick to help with the constant over correcting in the plane. Just a thought. Just seemed like it was a little too light for him. Thanks for the video mooch!
You can also adjust the control curve to reduce twitchiness.
A stick extension would help, too. The stock F14 stick travel is like twice that of just the base TM Warthog base and stick, which helps reduce a lot of that. Made it much easier to air refuel, too.
Yea both of those options work too. I’ve just felt it to be more comfortable ( for me) to have a harder feedback on the stick. Wink wink.
@@lnaesll I have a logitech x56, and I keep it at the highest spring tension it goes. Easier to control for me as well.
Suggestions, Ward: Only show the cockpit view without Nasty in the corner. While Nasty is giving instruction, either have a pointer point at what he is referencing or zoom in on the same. His (Nasty's) voice during initial instruction is more than enough. Watching him outside of the actual dogfight is a distraction and is unnecessary.
BTW, this is really cool. Can you have other pilots come on the show? Perhaps an old F4 or a Super Hornet instructor or maybe (please don't hate me) an F15 or F16 pilot. Heck, maybe even a collaboration with Haserd Lee? This stuff is great. You're really onto something here. Thanks for the video...☺
I've heard from a lot of folks who said they enjoyed watching him torque around while also watching his cockpit view, especially when he was checking six and simulating putting his hand against the canopy. But thanks for the input.
@@WardCarroll I agree. It is only during the initial instruction that he becomes a distraction. thx for the response...☺
This was 30 minutes of pure gold, really helpful for us DCS Tomcat pilots. Thanks so much for sharing! He explained the rate fight really well, what I missed is some advice on how to do the 1 circle fight in the Tomcat, say, against a MIG-23. How hard to you pull and at what airspeed to get the smallest radius? Or did I just accidentally miss that part?
From what I gathered he recommends going 2 circle and out rate your opponent at 325 kts and 6,5 G's.
His #1 bulletin point is maintaining energy where a 1 circle fight is all about turning as fast as possible and you end up bleeding energy trying to get your nose around as fast as possible.
In the A that was probably a huge no-no. Less so in the B/D.
F/A-18 and F-16 are probably a lot more suited for 1 circle fights.
@@dannyd7714 He recommends going 2 circle most of the time, but at the beginning he says 1 circle is better if you're cat 3 and facing a cat 2, like a Flogger or a Foxbat. Less likely in DCS, but I'd still love to hear how he achieves the smallest radius.
@@ReflectedSimulations IIRC I think 220kts and under is minimum radius depending on altitude.
@@dannyd7714 In DCS, the F-16 is actually better in the 2 circle. It'll out-rate the tomcat, albeit slowly. F/A-18C is better in the one circle though. (I fly all 3... F-16, F-18, and F-14 in DCS)
Gents, thank you from the bottom of this old flight simmer's heart for every thing you've done.
Wow! Freakin' awesome to get a Top Gun BFM lesson from a USN RADM! Great job "Nasty" and "Mooch"! BZ gentlemen! BZ indeed!
This is amazing. We need MUCH more of this. CASE 1 tutorials, BVR fights, you name it.
Nasty for President!
This is pure gold. Nasty is clearly an amazing instructor!! 👏 👍🫡 I'd love to see more of these kind of videos!
I'd nail his ass in a heart beat. He won't keep eyes on. If he got on me, wingman would shut him down. Airframes don't respond like that video game. You must know your vessel. You don't look at your dash cept to make sure you have the right weapon selected. Boss is seeing every thing, he will tell you when to get your ass back. Tight freakin turn you will over shoot your target going full after or during, before you shot them. Furballs are nasty, they happen. Stay alive, keep your wingman safe 'cause he's going to keep you safe.
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I am an Air Force guy and I was rooting for the Admiral as he took on the Eagle
I get the vibe Nasty is having fun being back in the instructor role even if its for us "digital" guys these days. Thanks for all the knowledge both of you are willing to continually share for all of us!
Fantastic Mooch and Nasty. Please do more of these types of episode. Brief, fly, debrief. Any chance we can hear Mooch giving some RIO voiceover from the back seat during an engagement?
I’ve meant to focus more on flying in DCS, but I always end up going to the mission editor and re-creating every imaginable engagement scenario and watching how it unfolds instead
Tks. I graduated in Class 82/07 in Reese AFB as a foreign student Pilot. Too many years ago. I attended BFM at Holloman AFB. Your board presentation reminded me that time studying and practicing hard all the Air to Air and Air to Ground lessons. When you Sir turned around on the right and simulated the hand on the canopy It made me instantly remember how hard was to keep the head around under all that Gs, to be able to talk on the radio with the wingman and still trying not to loose visual contact with the opponent. Simulator, as you said, will never reproduce the physical strain on the body and on the neck when dogfighting. Many thanks for the good memory both of you brought me back, regards.
Ward, last night I was getting my ass kicked hard in dogfights (Tomcat, 2 circle) and really wanted to get get good, but didn’t know where to find a quality video on flight parameters. This video is exactly what I was looking for!
Nasty and Mooch... This was absolutely awesome. Having read Nasty's book and hearing about his ejection on a podcast, this has brought my perspective on this full circle. I was just a helicopter pilot and this really gives me much greater insight to what tactical aviation is all about. Just fantastic. Fun to see this after a long day of seeing patients.
Did you tell Nasty that the AI F-5 has the performance characteristics of a UFO?
If you have not heard, Rick Ludwig "Wigs" passed away Sunday April 16 after a short illness. All of us at NGC and in San Diego mourn his loss.
Just finished Nasty's book, phenomenal read! And excellent BFM presentation!
Some of my favortie content from you Ward thank you.
Unbelievably awesome content from someone who is currently flying the tomcat in DCS and trying to get better.
Very nice video thank you Mooch and Nasty! The "hack" I have been using in DCS is to limit my stick to 50 or 60 so no matter how hard I pull the stick my AoA basically never go above 15. I loose the ability to pull hard of course - but as a novice myself I find it more dangerous to pull too hard and go into the dead zone of 20+ AoA... It's quite surprising to see real pilots also suffering with the rocking wings though!
Nasty was my XO on the Carl Vinson. Top man and great leader.
Guys thank you! I really appreciate these types of videos. I love the Tomcat in DCS. Is the most difficult module to fly well in DCS, but the most rewarding when you do things right with with it. Anyone can fly the 16, 18, and now the 15 in DCS, but the Tomcat, you earn it! Thanks again guys.
Great vid “Nasty”…thank you!
We all know that you can’t feel the airplane in DCS like you can in real life… we just enjoy seeing real fighter, pilots playing it and giving us feedback
Absolutely AWESOME content Mooch!!! Learned a lot and can't wait to jump back in my Tomcat and try all these tips out. How about one for the F/A-18 as well? 5 Stars for sure!!!
This is the most amazing video on CZcams! An Admiral teaching wannabes (me) how to fight, like they were in the RAG. Thanks to Mooch and Nasty for taking the time. I love reading your book, Admiral.
Would love to see more dogfighting and BVR engagement classes from Nasty and Mooch!
BVR is highly unlikely given the sensitivity of the tactics used. I mean, time lines as a concept aren't secret, but the actual time lines ARE considered sensitive information.
With the Tomcat Growling Sidewinder is a monster in the sky in DCS. Love to see you get him on with his game play.
I smiled hearing Nasty describing his Tomcat get "treed."
Admiral, Mr. Carroll, awesome vid. Thanks for taking the time, and for explaining 1 circle and 2 circle fights.
Don’t even fly in dcs, but I’ve learned more today than I have in a long time!! Awesome! nice touch with the top gun theme in the last second of the video too 😉
You guys rock. Thanks for the lecture there. I'll jump right into the cockpit and try it out. Flying the campaigns from a guy named "reflected simulations" and with some really good F14 jockeys of the virtual fighter wing I'm in, trained me and I got a lot better in the last years. The numbers are almost the same. In adition I use a "jet pad" which helps a lot to simulate things like the shaking. That adds a lot to the sim especially in vr.
Keep bringing on the great content, gentlemen. It's well appreciated.
Anytime baby 🤘🏻
I am so happy you real pilots can enjoy getting back into it somewhat. :)
What a fantastic video! All those years ago when I was playing Falcon 4.0, I never would've imagined a keyboard fighter jock like me would be getting a masterclass in ACM from a real pro. Sometimes, the internet is a magical thing.
This is amazing!!!! Please do more BFM videos with Nasty!!!
Awe-some! Thanks so much for sharing all that knowledge, hope to see more of this kind of tutorial content that aims specifically at the F-14, also in combination with RIO interaction.
One question for Nasty: I found it helpful to stabilize the Tomcat when more excessive wingrocking sets in by slightly unloading the wing and adding some gentle rudder opposite to the reversed bank motion. Would that be acceptable by Navy training methods to use the rudder that way because I noticed that while in low energy / higher g-load even tiny aileron inputs are a perfect shortcut into a spiral or even spin. Or would it be more safe to unload alone, push the throttle in to build up energy and adding Gs again? Cheers to both of you, keep it up - and don't worry Nasty, you're doing great!
One more thing - I added a ButtKicker to my seat to have some feedback in regards to buffeting, can only recommend it, adds so much palpable feel.
Oh, that was so helpful. Love this stuff and former pilots teaching us DCS Tomcat stuff.
Would love to see more like this. I've found the best tutorials on DCS are those that encourage you to be patient and to think.
Had to laugh when I saw your “Crack the Sky” tee. Great group! Lighten up McGraw.
Always great to see you and Nasty together!!! Excellent content as usual!!!! Snort would approve. Too bad he can’t be there with you guys. Thanks for sharing your knowledge
Nice walkthrough. If I watch 15 more times, maybe I'll begin to "get it".
I never served in the Navy or as a fighter pilot 😢 but there's something about Nasty that tells me he's a good, fair leader. Concise and down to business.
This is just awesome, I don't even play dcs and I'm still loving every minute of this. It's so interesting to see how inflight priorities are so different between a trained pilot and your avg gamer, Nasty watches his altitude methodically and has never hit the ground, gamers have all smashed in a time or two and don't hesitate to cut it close on pull outs and whatnot
What an awesome video! Never expected to get dogfighting tips from someone with his tenure and experience! The second he gets truly used to DCS's idiosyncrasies he's gunna be unstoppable!
OMG….this vid was fantastic! A Rear Admiral giving a tutorial on the F-14B! Outstanding Nasty! I really have a hard time calling him by his call sign without saying “Sir”…Thanks Mooch! Your channel is great!
Thank you!
6:15
Dog 100!!!!
I’m honored Nasty is using her.
Cheers Mooch!
Thank you both for the video. 👍🏼
I’ll fix you up a shorter tailhook. 😉
Oh Wow I'm so thrilled to hear Your and Nasty instructions. Just bought his book. He's a great instructor with a great comprehensive speech.
You two are just AWESOME :)
One of the best videos i have ever seen, a huge amount of quality, amazing work Ward!!!
Mooch get yourself a ‘jetseat’ it will provide tactile feedback on G and the buffet. While it adds immersion, the real benefit is in getting a better feel for where the aircraft is at
Always insightful when Nasty visits! Great content as always sir
I'm a sponge right now, absorbing all the rare education I'm getting. It's like listening to a real life Ice Man.
Nasty and Mooch, Thank you.
Holy crap that is good stuff Ward. This is info I cannot imagine getting anywhere else.
Amazing video love to see more of this content thanks to both of you!
Thanks for making this happen, Mooch!
Nasty, this was great fun to hear you explain things.
WOW, that is an amazing demonstration. I sometimes think these planes are about flying. In reality, these planes are FIGHTER aircraft, and the penalty for poor flying/fighting is your life. The fighter pilots are very brave and dedicated souls that deserve our utmost respect.
This is awesome, it really shows how much thinking is actually going on in a fight. You can tell all this stuff has been drilled into him, because he makes it look so easy. Thanks Mooch & Nasty, really appreciate you guys.
That was a Hoote to watch this. Please get Nasty to do some more, I was totally locked on to every word he was saying. (you could see the instructior coming out of him) Special love how he could easily describe not only his actions, but his advisaries as well. Impressive!
Really enjoyed this. Thank you for taking the time to put the video together.
Dogfighting in relatively realistic airplane games always felt like two guys trying to have a knife fight while doing circles around each other driving dragsters.
What a team!!!! So cool you guys passing on this top tier knowledge, keep em' coming!👍😊🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I been looking forward to this ever since his trap video
Wow man, that was the best lesson on dogfighting I've ever seen. The right blend of theory and hands-on application, with a fabulous practical display.
Also, this was the best EVER justification on why simulators in some ways are harder than the real thing. Even this seasoned veteran has difficulties with controlling the aircraft and using it at 100%.
A motion rig could help feel the G in DCS World, but I get that is an extremely rare set up for us. However, a huge step up is something like a Butt Kicker or some other haptic feedback solution. Even if you don't quite feel the G that entered into a flight condition, any flight condition that induces shakes or a higher strength vibration can be felt which is most of them.
This was awesome! Love this type of content of instruction from the real deal. Nasty is the best . . .listening to his book on my daily walks . . learning tons from it.
I've seen several videos on 1circle vs 2circle on DCS, but none such easy to understand and grasp as this one. Kudos to you both !
Not only we need more of those videos, we also need more of Punk’s books
A great video, many thanks guys. Excellent delivery. The DCS 14s wing rock has been toned down in the latest patch. Really look forward to more of these, thanks again.
22:51 Nasty: "Where did he go?" Hollywood: "Where did whooooooo gooooooo?" 🤣
Awesome! This post took me right back to my UPT ready room...way back in the day. I'll see if I can better-tame the Tomcat in DCS. Nasty, Mooch thank you both for your service! 👍👍
I am novice in DCS as well and I learned a lot from this video, thanks!
Thank you Nasty , giving insights into the world of BFM ,excellent tuition style breaking down into chunks of information - Tim
Oh man!!!!! Love this video. Always love the content on your channel Ward, but learning the dcs stuff from you guys and then when Nasty engages the Mig and gets him @12 o'clock, it gave me chills. Love seeing this stuff. Keep up the Great work!!!!!
You can tell he's an instructor. Great episode
Love love the education gained from these 2!! The knowledge gained on flight physics and characteristics on my favorite cold War Era fighters gets no better. Thank you Mooch and Nasty for your service willingness to teach. 🇺🇲👍😊
I am geeking sir! Love this series. 💪🏽
Two (2) TOPGUN Bros and Zero (0) dry erase markers! Love it.
Thanks fellas!
Thx a lot Mooch and Nasty, what a pleasure to watch and learn! Thx :)
Absolutely awesome to be able to listen and see the explanations and thoughts processes! Thanks for sharing this and donating your time sir!
Thanks for the video. Lots of great info. Nasty did a very awesome job explaining everything. Also an awesome job with the flying as well. The moment he said jester should be fined for saying that made this my favorite video on youtube😂.
Extremely cool video, thank you for this! Would absolutely love to see more!
Pretty awesome. Definitely geeking out over this! Oh and with the most recent update (think it was after you guys did this probablyh) they tweaked the flight model on the B and the G onset is smoother and less twitchy. makes it MUCH easier to avoid the wing rock.
That's so cool that the simulator is accurate enough to implement your training from flying real jets.
This is so cool and interesting thank you!
Just spent an evening in dcs and it definitely works and makes a distinct improvement in the rate fight! Now I just have to learn to be more patient.
Interesting how much Admiral Manazir mentioned the wing rocking. The game developers added a ton of wingrock relatively recently, and in the most recent DCS update a few days ago, removed a lot of it. I wonder if the current Tomcat is closer to reality than the one at the time of filming.
Nice...I am absolutely not great at flying this thing. But I'm going to keep at it.
I absolutely needed this... Thank you Nasty and Mooch!
*Wings in auto...already going against the DCS doctrine of constantly flapping wings😂.
Great video! Always fascinated to hear from experts on these aircraft and how you should manage them in the air.
Basic fighter maneuver insights from a Top Gun alum rear admiral. Wow!