Natalie Nunn & Lemuel Plummer On Zeus Network's Reputation, Baddies, Blueface, Joseline + More

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  • @dee_bee4
    @dee_bee4 Před 9 měsíci +1471

    Lemmy believes that saying a show is a hit show negates the fact that these shows are still overly violent and a negative depiction of who we are as a people. Says a lot about his character

    • @ZayFlxx
      @ZayFlxx Před 9 měsíci +114

      He clearly only cares about what brings in the money and keep his network floating. Whether good or bad. Therefore, not for the people

    • @Kingjames313
      @Kingjames313 Před 9 měsíci

      But if you are a destructive person and choose to monetize your own dysfunction without regard for how you make your culture look then it says more about yourself. All Lemmy is doing is recording, editing and posting. The morons provide and PAY TO WATCH his footage. Like you can’t stop racism right? Racists will wear anti-race shirts they find…I would sell them the shirt and take their dumb ass money because whether I sell it or they make it themselves, they will express their hate regardless. I would rather get paid either way rather than sit on the sidelines complaining.

    • @zeehunter6533
      @zeehunter6533 Před 9 měsíci +51

      Agreed, I’m sorry it’s the race to the bottom and he learned exploitation pays

    • @princekarter2940
      @princekarter2940 Před 9 měsíci +81

      I don't get it nobody is forcing u to subscribe and watch

    • @recboyz1540
      @recboyz1540 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Y’all watched BET uncut shut up

  • @driafibromyalgiafighter9342
    @driafibromyalgiafighter9342 Před 9 měsíci +818

    When Charla said "you wasn't scheduled" 💀 I choked on my water 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @sheltonechols26
    @sheltonechols26 Před 9 měsíci +501

    Lemmy did a great job at talking around almost every question.

    • @shannan4580
      @shannan4580 Před 9 měsíci +31

      Yes! I was done when he tried to compare the shows to Real Sex on HBO

    • @Lucky-zb7rm
      @Lucky-zb7rm Před 9 měsíci +6

      That’s what I said. He’s a great talker 😅

    • @jayc4113
      @jayc4113 Před 8 měsíci +1

      He Always Does, TBH.

    • @Fashionceo
      @Fashionceo Před 5 měsíci +1

      He’s a great Bull isher

    • @tammiejefferson4561
      @tammiejefferson4561 Před 5 měsíci +2

      He sure did beat around the bush on all questions, he studers too much to be honest

  • @exoticnot4rn
    @exoticnot4rn Před 9 měsíci +114

    charlamagne asking natalie does she wear a chinchilla in the winter time is the funniest shit all day😂😂😂

    • @Providedbygeoo
      @Providedbygeoo Před 7 měsíci +2

      The way I screamed.. I couldn’t even hold it.

  • @duboi82
    @duboi82 Před 9 měsíci +713

    She’s talking about how charla used to be 10 years ago , but at the same time she’s still the same person she was 10 years ago loud annoying and entitled

    • @iLatrell62
      @iLatrell62 Před 9 měsíci +22

      Right

    • @Maine4u
      @Maine4u Před 9 měsíci +13

      Clock it

    • @TheCloveart
      @TheCloveart Před 9 měsíci +3

      Charla does this because their viewership is majority women. So it makes sense that he’ll switch up to maintain viewership.

    • @hellobye7697
      @hellobye7697 Před 9 měsíci

      Ur still watching tho 😘

    • @reneeaddison6679
      @reneeaddison6679 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Facts

  • @samanthacurry1857
    @samanthacurry1857 Před 9 měsíci +795

    Lemuel has sinister energy and I don't care what anyone says.

    • @zeehunter6533
      @zeehunter6533 Před 9 měsíci +69

      You see how he lit up when Jess name was mentioned lol… like let’s invite her and Natalie was like 😳 he messy too 🤣

    • @Skepticalskorpeo
      @Skepticalskorpeo Před 9 měsíci +3

      I would go further by saying he has predatory and opportunistic energy.

    • @DnewNancy
      @DnewNancy Před 9 měsíci +6

      ABSOLUTELY

    • @roxannemapache826
      @roxannemapache826 Před 9 měsíci

      He’s the worst thing for black people

    • @Mya_water
      @Mya_water Před 9 měsíci +5

      Yep, very much!!

  • @RickEnvy
    @RickEnvy Před 9 měsíci +93

    I laughed out loud when he said we’re telling real authentic stories😂

  • @zeehunter6533
    @zeehunter6533 Před 9 měsíci +338

    Charlamange I love it, he’s not taking it easy in the brother, he’s asking the hard questions and holding him to the fire.

    • @SergioRamos-ir7mi
      @SergioRamos-ir7mi Před 9 měsíci +12

      If he only did this to Lyor Cohen, Joe Biden, Hilary Clinton etc

    • @Decorlos
      @Decorlos Před 9 měsíci

      Surprised they ok with her saying nigga

    • @fancy1632
      @fancy1632 Před 8 měsíci

      Yes they had the questions coming 😂

    • @brittanyjohnson375
      @brittanyjohnson375 Před 8 měsíci +1

      He literally bounced around a lot of the questions tho. He wasn't completely direct and deflected a lot.

    • @tammiejefferson4561
      @tammiejefferson4561 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Yes and this is one time I'm feeling Charlamagne, He speaks for us who thinks like the majority of people. The focus of negativity amongst these mostly women is too much. This show may help many people works but at what costs, tearing down what has repeatedly torn down by other races and Lemmy BS#*NG about those other shows because he knows he nor his team is interested in anything positive, if so why is this show provocatively angered on every episode.

  • @Redd07
    @Redd07 Před 9 měsíci +129

    I don’t like how Lemuel is saying he can’t control what they do but he can choose to not air so much negativity.

    • @simonepeterson3301
      @simonepeterson3301 Před 9 měsíci +19

      Lemme just said he made 20million,for 1 show a month,so people are watching it lol ,u guys love it sorry

    • @DnewNancy
      @DnewNancy Před 9 měsíci +14

      But if it’s not there… there would be nothing to love lmao. It’s like a drug dealer selling drugs to their community… for some reason black people didn’t mind selling to other black people where the Italians and Mexicans only sold outside of their communities… why? Because they knew the drugs (like this media content) would be the downfall of their community

    • @newflower8974
      @newflower8974 Před 9 měsíci

      @@DnewNancydamn that’s deep …

    • @Redd07
      @Redd07 Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@DnewNancy I don’t think that’s a debate ur ready to have cause yes while drugs were being sold in our communities to our own let’s look at where those drugs came from, let’s look at the jobs available to my community at the time, let’s look at the poverty going on and I don’t know what race u are but Mexican and Italian is not a race ijs. Now those nationalities of people may have not sold drugs to their own but they damn sure out here killing their own for gang related issues mob related issues so let’s not do that. I’m simply saying choices can be made and Zeus def gets paid off the backs of some controversial ish in the black community that just feeds into the narrative that we are uneducated, wild, violent etc etc.

    • @DnewNancy
      @DnewNancy Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@Redd07 Your right... my reply was suppose to be in opposition to simonepetterson3301 and in support of your comment. I should have specified "black/african american" and the comment was to add how some of us can be complicit in our own demise if there's dollar signs attached to it. Lem isn't the first and wont be the last.

  • @chellbell7899
    @chellbell7899 Před 9 měsíci +187

    he never can answer that question about bringing down the black community cause he cant admit its trash tv. just stand on it like natalie does lol

    • @shoyo-sann7867
      @shoyo-sann7867 Před 9 měsíci +8

      Thank you

    • @saladsandsoups
      @saladsandsoups Před 9 měsíci

      Thank you he is a disgrace to black people

    • @Soulllbitch
      @Soulllbitch Před 9 měsíci +27

      This show doesn’t bring down the black community. It shows the reality of SOME black people. This one network should not represent our community.

    • @ericalashay0209
      @ericalashay0209 Před 9 měsíci +17

      @@Soulllbitchexactly. Does Showing videos of poverty bring down the black community? Idk why they keep using this argument

    • @chellbell7899
      @chellbell7899 Před 9 měsíci +9

      @@Soulllbitch maybe bring down is the wrong word but it’s a bad representation and i think he should just admit it instead of dancing around the question every time he’s asked 🤷🏽‍♀️

  • @Ossouko
    @Ossouko Před 9 měsíci +106

    His media training is solid as a rock. Got to give him and PR team that.😆

    • @jcarter5521
      @jcarter5521 Před 9 měsíci +6

      No or team, his father owned a readily and small tv station. It’s proof that we often never shy away from our upbringing

  • @ju2u678
    @ju2u678 Před 9 měsíci +64

    Lemi is a smooth talker and finneser he skating all around those questions 😅😅😅

  • @kinamiller9613
    @kinamiller9613 Před 9 měsíci +443

    Draya show was postive. It wasn't a bunch of fighting, it showed her making boss moves and people didn't watch. They called it boring. So its not just the network,its the people as well.. The network is giving what people wanna see. 🤷

    • @shawnj3219
      @shawnj3219 Před 9 měsíci +23

      So True ⁉️💯

    • @tiabia111
      @tiabia111 Před 9 měsíci +31

      Sad truth

    • @devin3955
      @devin3955 Před 9 měsíci +11

      Exactly

    • @salcaneat
      @salcaneat Před 9 měsíci +11

      Don’t mean they gotta add to it. The more u provide it the more people want it

    • @kinamiller9613
      @kinamiller9613 Před 9 měsíci +14

      @@salcaneat people already want it so I'm not understanding what you don't get. Supply and demand???

  • @Deauxp._
    @Deauxp._ Před 9 měsíci +194

    The audacity to compare Zeus network to HBO 🤣

    • @richsport
      @richsport Před 9 měsíci +1

      Yeah that was a bad comparison all the way especially they tried to use the real sex show which was not a bad show it was a show about different aspects of sex in a documentary way. 2 stupid people getting money of the plight of us 🤷🏾‍♂️

    • @salcaneat
      @salcaneat Před 9 měsíci +14

      Yea he really tried that

    • @reginawilliamson6622
      @reginawilliamson6622 Před 9 měsíci +9

      *GUUURRRRLLLL.....Who TF is HBO supposed to be?!?!?* Why because HBO is YT Owned?!?!? 🙄

    • @nycqn
      @nycqn Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@reginawilliamson6622No because HBO is the OG of subscription TV.

    • @pj45queen
      @pj45queen Před 9 měsíci +27

      @@reginawilliamson6622 it has nothing to do with that. Stop being ignorant. It has everything to do with the fact that HBO has a variety of programs and it’s internationally successful and doesn’t depict stereotypes or push a certain narrative. Successful quality programming is key. Zeus may be black owned but will it be around in the next 10 years??

  • @aliyahmg
    @aliyahmg Před 9 měsíci +188

    Him having Natalie there helped this interview a lot I don’t think he would have survived it alone. Additionally, he has a point that everyone knows what they’re signing up for. We’re forgetting that many of us come from the era of flavor of love, real and chance etc. a lot of his shows are spin offs to hit tv shows that once existed. Everybody acting like they’re so much better than the media we once consumed. It’s their lives not ours lol. Their reality is not my reality

    • @tonyadunkley
      @tonyadunkley Před 9 měsíci +15

      Just because they know what they’re signing up for does not mean that his statement actually answered the question all of those shows that you’re saying we’re spinoffs we did not see this type of stuff happening on them and I’m sure you can attest to that Regardless of this this being their lives, do you want your daughter or son to grow up acting like them because these are the type of people that are being idolize right now and this is the type of drama that they’re promoting. There are so many different types of drama, but this is the violent type they promote. and it’s always Black people I hate that for us.

    • @lunaefem
      @lunaefem Před 8 měsíci +8

      @@tonyadunkley To be fair, your child having access to Zeus is indicative of your parenting. I grew up during the peak of PPV tv and my mother made sure there were parental controls so I was only watching what I was supposed to. Girls Gone Wild and soft core porn were out there, but they weren't available to me because I had a parent that did like they were supposed to.

    • @shadytree1863
      @shadytree1863 Před 3 měsíci

      @@lunaefemto be fair, the internet has expanded quite a bit. Without knowing your age, parental controls and presence went quite a long way before there were cellphones and social media apps at the flick of a finger. Children go to school, away from home..and around other children who may not have the same restrictions in their homes lol. Parenting goes far beyond TV passwords nowadays hun.
      It's not good TV. It's not interesting stories nor character development. Not even humor imo. It's trash.

    • @MaleahsDiary
      @MaleahsDiary Před 3 měsíci

      Their content makes black people look bad to those who are not around us on a regular basis. When it's time for a job interview, that non black Manager is going to wonder if you're like the folks on that crazy show. Sad but true.

  • @2centsfreelancer
    @2centsfreelancer Před 9 měsíci +69

    I know he didn’t compare Zeus to Netflix and HBO 🤦🏾‍♀️😂

    • @whatinthefuckery4643
      @whatinthefuckery4643 Před 9 měsíci +7

      He tried it 😂😂

    • @tearisonjamerson9022
      @tearisonjamerson9022 Před 9 měsíci +7

      then tried to compare to HBO’s “real sex” series like it wasn’t popular way back in the 2000’s😭😭

    • @ke83984
      @ke83984 Před 8 měsíci

      netflix is racist

    • @protegemartinez6282
      @protegemartinez6282 Před 7 měsíci

      Zeus is #1 network next to BET+😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @amandasimpson34
    @amandasimpson34 Před 9 měsíci +766

    Charlamagne is the friend you want in the room when you’re not.

    • @lorigrant4628
      @lorigrant4628 Před 9 měsíci +81

      YEA HE MADE SURE JESS ISSUE WAS NOTED AND CLEARED LOL

    • @d0nwick97
      @d0nwick97 Před 9 měsíci +33

      If this not the most accurate sht I’ve seen about this man 🎯

    • @speaktruthpeace1612
      @speaktruthpeace1612 Před 9 měsíci +12

      Absolutely! He is one who put us friends on

    • @MsQueen73
      @MsQueen73 Před 9 měsíci +6

      I totally agree 💯💯💯

    • @lakersin556
      @lakersin556 Před 9 měsíci +29

      We all need a friend like that. Hold me down even when im not around.

  • @whois5991
    @whois5991 Před 9 měsíci +117

    She did not just say it was “cringe” to go up there but be BEGGING to come up

  • @GenitaM
    @GenitaM Před 9 měsíci +171

    Lemmy basically said, without saying, that because his network is self funded, he is targeting volatile, toxic individuals in an effort to capitalize off of that energy, in order to make a quick chunk of change at the expense those people. And some of them, he tosses an EP title to in order to make them feel better about perpetuating the narrative of the negative representation of black people.
    And Natalie saying that she has matured, yet she is promoting the same toxic behavior from 10 years ago is crazy. The only difference now is that Lemmy gave her an EP title. Girl, you are a grown, married woman with a whole child still walking around talking about being a bad girl. Honestly, it’s disgusting.

    • @newflower8974
      @newflower8974 Před 9 měsíci +17

      It’s Natalie still fighting n arguing for me like just be a fn EP fr🤦🏾‍♀️

    • @mikaw4817
      @mikaw4817 Před 9 měsíci +3

      All of this 🙌

    • @Bob-rh4zb
      @Bob-rh4zb Před 9 měsíci +20

      not to mention she has a degree and did not grow up hard that’s insane she knows better and still chooses this lifestyle.

    • @AHNRCS
      @AHNRCS Před 9 měsíci +3

      NO LIES TOLD HERE 💯💯

    • @Decorlos
      @Decorlos Před 9 měsíci +5

      I blame the people that still support those type of shows

  • @exoticnot4rn
    @exoticnot4rn Před 9 měsíci +146

    zeus is particularly special because of its fast turn around time from them recording to the show premiering. nobody wants to wait 6 months to a year to see a show premier when we see half of the story lines play out on social media. we wanna see it while the tea is piping hot!

  • @Avalunon
    @Avalunon Před 9 měsíci +64

    He keeps saying “telling our stories”….these ain’t OUR stories!! Most black people are not out here fighting and drinking and acting crazy!!

    • @jbjb9586
      @jbjb9586 Před 9 měsíci

      There's a large percentage that do.. have you seen how many people show up to audition for these shows? They literally stand outside all day long. Plus y'all don't say sh*t about the white owned networks and record labels that do worse when it comes to the black community . The fake outrage has to stop!

    • @ntwadumela1777
      @ntwadumela1777 Před 9 měsíci +5

      I sweeear! It ain't!

    • @Avalunon
      @Avalunon Před 9 měsíci

      @@jbjb9586 of the 40+million of Black people in the country, those people in the audition lines make up a fraction of 1%. Regarding mainstream media, key words…”white owned” networks and record labels! It’s expected that THEY would put out negative images about US. What’s irrational is they given the opportunity to do better, we would put out negative imagery about us!

    • @shanb4520
      @shanb4520 Před 9 měsíci +4

      Right!! Definitely not my story or people I know!!

  • @truehou
    @truehou Před 9 měsíci +358

    The man could’ve said his network does bring down the “Black community” and it wouldn’t make a difference. People will still support it and we know it.

    • @Jay-mh3cp
      @Jay-mh3cp Před 9 měsíci

      Why are black people the only ones that have to perfect on tv because if they’re not then somehow they represent all black people you don’t see that for other raced

    • @duboi82
      @duboi82 Před 9 měsíci

      He could say he has an agenda to bring down the black community and they would still watch 🤣

    • @shawnj3219
      @shawnj3219 Před 9 měsíci +10

      I Totally Agree ⁉️🗣️💯

    • @TheCloveart
      @TheCloveart Před 9 měsíci +24

      Right, the way he answered those questions was disingenuous.

    • @vonneal1
      @vonneal1 Před 9 měsíci +3

      This comment

  • @rasa3565
    @rasa3565 Před 9 měsíci +566

    This young man, regardless of how well spoken he is, like every other executive, is not concerned about perception, but on how much money he’s making form the violence on his platform. It’s sad that It’s all about “securing the bag” until someone gets seriously injured or dies on one of these mindless shows. Don’t worry about what HBO did, and any other networks do to make money do better! Why do we have to wait for the worst case scenario. Smh! Disappointing.

    • @ashleyharris4591
      @ashleyharris4591 Před 9 měsíci +12

      Wish they ask him why Zeus don’t have any caucasian programs 👀

    • @kisha4040
      @kisha4040 Před 9 měsíci +6

      ​@@ashleyharris4591What is a Caucasian program?

    • @roklebanks8954
      @roklebanks8954 Před 9 měsíci

      @@ashleyharris4591girl shut up , it’s enough networks out there exploiting yall already. We good !

    • @lildoseoflala
      @lildoseoflala Před 9 měsíci +12

      I feel we’re you’re coming from.. but where’s the accountability on the cast members? They quite literally sign up to go on TV and show out. Reality stars have admitted things are scripted, yet they still choose to react who they do. They’re willing participants, if it’s not Zeus, It’d be some other platform. Not saying it’s right, but ain’t no victims in this case.

    • @tashiaredd3421
      @tashiaredd3421 Před 9 měsíci +3

      @@lildoseoflalaI agree! It’s definitely up to the talent and what they choose to do while on the show. They know that the show will be aired to millions of ppl and the cameras are rolling. No one but them makes that decision to do the things they do.

  • @nikkinic2269
    @nikkinic2269 Před 9 měsíci +54

    10:40 I know Zeus is pursuing Erica Mena, for a show.
    They don't strike-me as the type to care about her calling a Black person a monkey. If anything, they'll be like "next time say Silverback; it's more controversial." 😂😂😂

    • @jays.5978
      @jays.5978 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Orangutan

    • @mikaw4817
      @mikaw4817 Před 9 měsíci +4

      I'm cryyying 😭😭😭😭😭💯💯

    • @samj5408
      @samj5408 Před 9 měsíci +1

      😂😂😂😂😂 💯

    • @debo484
      @debo484 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Okay now 😭😭😭😭😭

  • @breeze904
    @breeze904 Před 9 měsíci +75

    Charlamagne : " 😑 you were never scheduled, thank you" lmaoooo

  • @tatipalooza
    @tatipalooza Před 9 měsíci +280

    No matter how many times I see Natalie on tv that side profile still is a jump scare. AHH

    • @Nicki9235
      @Nicki9235 Před 9 měsíci +24

      So mean it’s always women making other women feel insecure about themselves

    • @Freebands460
      @Freebands460 Před 9 měsíci +1

      What does this mean? What’s a side profile?

    • @brandonhughes1537
      @brandonhughes1537 Před 9 měsíci +5

      @@Freebands460the side view

    • @tess4832
      @tess4832 Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@Nicki9235I see you’re a chinyin standing for your crescent chinned queen. This is the same women who gets clout and popularity off of being mean to other women. Didn’t she just fight her so call bestie AGAIN on an episode? 😭 y’all are a trip

    • @Maine4u
      @Maine4u Před 9 měsíci +11

      ⁠​⁠@@Nicki9235 and Natalie doesn’t? Girl bye

  • @branbran1287
    @branbran1287 Před 9 měsíci +23

    $18 million a month???? Lemuel please update that Zeus app to where the next episode plays automatically after so I can binge watch in peace without having to go back to the queue PLEASE!!!!???

  • @desireejohnson-flemister9947
    @desireejohnson-flemister9947 Před 9 měsíci +36

    I love how Charlemagne grilled them the whole time and had to make them stand on that stuff because we ain’t buying what they selling

  • @britneys.1445
    @britneys.1445 Před 9 měsíci +348

    I don't think people watch Baddies because they resonate with the cast or because they love the "realness". Let's be honest. People watch it because it's entertaining. It's similar to Romans watching gladiators fight in the Colosseum. Viewers just want to see fighting and Lemmy is making money from the uncivilized, ratchetness of these people. But everyone is a willing participant so it's whatever. Go ahead and make the money I guess.

    • @suvenia1
      @suvenia1 Před 9 měsíci +14

      Ppl don’t think of it like that but that’s so true. This been happening since the beginning of time.

    • @johnkeylewinsky
      @johnkeylewinsky Před 9 měsíci +3

      Until someone gets serious hurt

    • @Pugetwitch
      @Pugetwitch Před 9 měsíci +3

      ​@@johnkeylewinsky Ryan Jenkins #RIPJasimeFiore that was so shocking and it's sad no one In these reality show circles brings it up because that was when reality shows her first getting big, everybody had to spin-off off of spin-off. flava of Love started the whole thing 😂

    • @Pugetwitch
      @Pugetwitch Před 9 měsíci

      ​​@@johnkeylewinskyThe way my PTSD is set up, that milk carton jug in the refrigerator of the bad girls house is getting whittled down and melded with a fine flame until the hoe sharper than adamantium

    • @newflower8974
      @newflower8974 Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@Pugetwitchwait what happened 🤔

  • @williamwatson1998
    @williamwatson1998 Před 9 měsíci +184

    Zeus network is the valley of degradation! Truly shows the worst of people!

    • @ImJustaWill
      @ImJustaWill Před 9 měsíci +10

      Anytime I hear a show is on Zeus, I can't even force myself to watch.

    • @thegigisup007
      @thegigisup007 Před 9 měsíci

      Well damm

    • @kayjay9428
      @kayjay9428 Před 9 měsíci +5

      Right! This man Lemme loves to repeat over and over AUTHENTIC SELVES as if that's a valid justification.

    • @salcaneat
      @salcaneat Před 9 měsíci +1

      I don’t even know how females can sit and watch that shit

    • @daddycrimson
      @daddycrimson Před 9 měsíci +6

      “Valley of Degradation” a poet. Well said

  • @jesicjohnson
    @jesicjohnson Před 9 měsíci +109

    He has that "I'm the CEO, but I take no responsibility because our shows are real and raw" vibe. And comparing a company like Zeus that's been around for 5 years vs HBO that's been around for 52 years is BS! And saying you don't exploit your talent is true. They exploit themselves. You are just getting paid for their buffoonery!!!

    • @jayc5756
      @jayc5756 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Exactly

    • @ShortKingTheGoat
      @ShortKingTheGoat Před 9 měsíci +6

      They all do lol no one said anything to the executives and ceo when jersey shore came out

    • @newflower8974
      @newflower8974 Před 9 měsíci

      @@ShortKingTheGoatit was toxic but you can count on one hand how there was between the cast

    • @DanaBeeee
      @DanaBeeee Před 9 měsíci

      Real Sex was actually educational. HBO documentaries each have a story to tell. Zeus focuses on uncensored drama and violence, and he knows that. That's the main driving force. He knows that and exploits it because he understands that people crave that material. It's unfortunate that it always ends up being carried out by black and brown people.

  • @Kingjames313
    @Kingjames313 Před 9 měsíci +36

    Natalie inserts herself like “partner” means co-owner of Zeus. Partner means a collaboration of talent with the platform.

  • @latricetaylor7928
    @latricetaylor7928 Před 9 měsíci +101

    How does Charlamagne apologize for talking bad about her and proceeds to talk bad about her?

    • @Mya_water
      @Mya_water Před 9 měsíci +23

      She deserves it

    • @gregfelix202
      @gregfelix202 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Joking growth she said he spoke about her 10 years ago catch up

    • @mariocardenas7286
      @mariocardenas7286 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Because what else do you do with trash?

  • @penetratriodelsqautlage2094
    @penetratriodelsqautlage2094 Před 9 měsíci +57

    I grew up with this guy, he and his fam lived a prosperous life in walled lake mi. His dad, owned a successful gospel tv station.. dude was always hilarious and his 2 brothers and 2 sis are mad cool. He’s a good dude but he allowed himself to really be the mr burns of black media. But congrats and peace to him, loren, lajon, loreal and Leah.. love those folks

  • @tammybradley6745
    @tammybradley6745 Před 9 měsíci +63

    Dude needs to be a politician

  • @jaysontiger
    @jaysontiger Před 9 měsíci +21

    Natalie just confirm that Lenny is not just the CEO but involved in EVERYTHING Zeus! Meaning that he is the one pushing the terrible fighting, and all that stuff that goes on.

  • @JennJennntv
    @JennJennntv Před 9 měsíci +229

    I Love Charla 😂 Zeus do make us look bad & Natalee thinking they were booked & they weren't is a gag lmaooooo

    • @Numb2Fear
      @Numb2Fear Před 9 měsíci +12

      True but Other networks have been doing that for years including a network he use to be on mtv . only difference is it’s a black man at the top getting the check this time. I rather it be 1 of us profiting if someone gonna profit

    • @Tyrone005
      @Tyrone005 Před 9 měsíci +1

      What about other networks tho ???

    • @Mynameistyshawn
      @Mynameistyshawn Před 9 měsíci +3

      @@Numb2Fearthat’s true! The ONLY thing is when it’s US putting it out there it’s almost like we are co signing the stereotype that’s put on us! It’s like “ yea that’s how we act “ 🤷🏾‍♂️😂

    • @JennJennntv
      @JennJennntv Před 9 měsíci

      @@Tyrone005 did other networks get an interview or the CEO of zeus? Yall dont think before yall speak. My statement was direct not general

    • @JennJennntv
      @JennJennntv Před 9 měsíci

      @@Numb2Fear I really dont understand Your point either, refer to my comment above ^. Yall deflecting under my comment bad

  • @Sheis_spoiledlillagurl
    @Sheis_spoiledlillagurl Před 9 měsíci +19

    “When ppl don’t see value in talent anymore…” WHAT TALENT?! What are they known for besides toxicity?! They literally fight all day, every episode!

  • @jesss4242
    @jesss4242 Před 9 měsíci +51

    The network being chaotic is what makes it entertaining I love this show

    • @protegemartinez6282
      @protegemartinez6282 Před 7 měsíci +4

      Only reason everybody watch it👍🏾😂😂let’s all be real 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @mal6553
    @mal6553 Před 9 měsíci +67

    Lemmuel gives culture vulture. You can tell he sat inside his whole childhood and this is the closest he can feel to being “in the mix” or being part of the streets he’s exploiting for his own entertainment and identity issues.

    • @Mya_water
      @Mya_water Před 9 měsíci +5

      This feels accurate 🤣

    • @SolarLove7
      @SolarLove7 Před 9 měsíci

      ❗️

    • @lildoseoflala
      @lildoseoflala Před 9 měsíci +10

      He definitely gives square vibes 😭 but I respect the hustle.

    • @elijahdryden1564
      @elijahdryden1564 Před 9 měsíci +1

      This!

    • @nik-at-nite
      @nik-at-nite Před 9 měsíci +2

      Someone in the comments said his father owned a gospel tv station. That might explain it. He might be a church kid. As a church kid myself, that’s no shade.

  • @KnightFoxx1190
    @KnightFoxx1190 Před 9 měsíci +111

    Not to exclude this man from accountability about what programs he green lights. But the truth is, he can put out 5 positive shows and a large number of people will not watch. The eyes will always be on negativity. It’s a business!

    • @sungaze342
      @sungaze342 Před 9 měsíci +4

      And it use to be a Christian network

    • @kisha4040
      @kisha4040 Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@sungaze342Yep. They had positive program but people didn't watch it

    • @MarsMarshal810
      @MarsMarshal810 Před 9 měsíci +4

      Well yeah because people inherently attracted to something that they don’t see often or are in their face going against being civilized, it’s just human nature but doesn’t mean that it’s a excuse to film all those types of violence and exploit it for money… people do it anyways but doesn’t mean it right

    • @latishabuckner8231
      @latishabuckner8231 Před 9 měsíci +2

      Yes, we live in a capitalistic society, everybody is after the 💰 as long as they are making money they will continue to put out the content that brings in the cash. Every business does this.

    • @vanlearrose
      @vanlearrose Před 9 měsíci +1

      Thank you

  • @slylockdefox246
    @slylockdefox246 Před 9 měsíci +117

    I like how Natalie took it to the chin. She's a strong black woman.

  • @Dior_lynn_rose
    @Dior_lynn_rose Před 9 měsíci +42

    Also Natalie has grown and knows how to act accordingly! If you follow her then you would know she can get into it with someone one day and be around them the next because she all about her business. We all have one major goal regardless of where we work and that’s to take care of ourselves and our families!

    • @kyjuan89
      @kyjuan89 Před 9 měsíci +10

      That’s not maturity. Her grown old ass wouldn’t be still “getting into it” with people as a wife & mother if she had changed sooo much

    • @kenzieedwards99
      @kenzieedwards99 Před 9 měsíci +8

      @@kyjuan89THANK YOU like it’s been a decade why are you still in the same circle of reality TV. Why are you still fighting lol

    • @MissAsiaMedia
      @MissAsiaMedia Před 8 měsíci

      I'll have to agree. She annoyed me until Rollie kept saying Natalie only does this for money. So I started watching her interviews and lives and saw a different side of her. After that, I'm now able to differentiate her doing anything to make a good show vs her actual character.

    • @Theothersidebondye
      @Theothersidebondye Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@kyjuan89she makes money and knows there’s a time and place for things. Look how well spoken she was in this interview. She’s doing better than the every day people that I know in my life. Not everyone on BGC was able to take their career as far she has. I couldn’t even stand in front of a camera without looking quirky. She’s much more talented than 90% of the people who even talk about her. I mean how are you doing in life? I don’t think I even make 20% of what Nathalie makes.

    • @coachwill9584
      @coachwill9584 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@Theothersidebondyeshe makes money by doing illegal sh!t on camera like battery assault and physical violence which are crimes at her big age but let’s APPLAUD that! I love your thought process love 💕 I think we all should get far that way!!! YESSSSSS!!!! 😐

  • @Mxun
    @Mxun Před 9 měsíci +66

    Idgaf what nobody say i love char! He keep it reall! He read mfs from head to toe!😂😭

    • @QueXopa79
      @QueXopa79 Před 9 měsíci +4

      I love him too he don’t give a damn 😂

    • @harvemedharvemed7796
      @harvemedharvemed7796 Před 9 měsíci +4

      I love him too. He really doesn't give an F who you are.

  • @dondeniro2118
    @dondeniro2118 Před 9 měsíci +39

    22:04 “what about in the winter, will you wear a Chinchilla?” Charlamagne must be stop 🤣🤣🤣😭😭

  • @blanco4585
    @blanco4585 Před 9 měsíci +72

    They let this man TALK CIRCLES around them 🤬😤 I would have PRESSED HIM and said, “outside of Natalie, how have you positively effected anyone’s life that came off of your show?” And I would not have let him answer any other way.

    • @sensualsanctuaries
      @sensualsanctuaries Před 9 měsíci +4

      He answered the questions the best way. He highlights reality tv. It just so happens that the shows that take off are the ones that are ratchet. As he mentioned, Draya had a reality show and no one watched it fr.

    • @findyourloveheyhey
      @findyourloveheyhey Před 9 měsíci

      ?? That’s an easy answer Rollie was literally in the food stamp office when she first got on Zeus have you seen her lately

    • @blanco4585
      @blanco4585 Před 9 měsíci +5

      @@findyourloveheyhey I really need you guys to use reasonable thinking in this regard. When we are talking about “positively affected and/or elevated someone”, i’m not referring to someone who has to continue coming back on the show to fight and engage in the same antics. I’m thinking in regards to how Cardi B and K Michelle used love n hip hop as a stepping stool to launch their music careers. And I don’t follow Rollie, so I honestly can’t speak on her. I was simply referring to a question that they could’ve asked him to demonstrate the effectiveness of his show in a positive way on the black community.

    • @lovely_deja
      @lovely_deja Před 9 měsíci

      Who cares

  • @A00050732
    @A00050732 Před 9 měsíci +12

    Love the interviews that shows more of who people are & how they speak. Gives the audience a chance to make our own decisions to support or not. Never knew he is from Michigan! 〽

  • @a-dub8546
    @a-dub8546 Před 9 měsíci +4

    Enjoyed this interview

  • @Only1Ree
    @Only1Ree Před 9 měsíci +33

    Ctg: did you have a chin guard on??
    Natalie : not today not today 💀💀💀💀😩😩😩

    • @PRIMETIMESTJ
      @PRIMETIMESTJ Před 9 měsíci +1

      😂😂😂😂

    • @Only1Ree
      @Only1Ree Před 9 měsíci

      @@PRIMETIMESTJ I lost it 😂😂😂

    • @roxannemapache826
      @roxannemapache826 Před 9 měsíci +1

      Chin guard 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @Only1Ree
      @Only1Ree Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@roxannemapache826 🤣🤣🤣

    • @Bingbangxox
      @Bingbangxox Před 9 měsíci +1

      But it’s cool when Nicki talk about it 🥴😂

  • @ccr6088
    @ccr6088 Před 9 měsíci +17

    All skin folk ain’t ya kin folk. He simply doesn’t care. He has a plan for himself and the network which we are not aware of. Long money goes a long way and he has started to build major relationships

  • @kokoloso7128
    @kokoloso7128 Před 9 měsíci +18

    These two take no accountability they know exactly what they are doing and that’s exactly why it’ll be a downfall because at least be authentic in what you do

  • @udokee7409
    @udokee7409 Před 9 měsíci +16

    Man these last couple weeks Breakfast club has been back in old form. Ya love to see it 😅

  • @tnicoletnicole
    @tnicoletnicole Před 9 měsíci +15

    Take a shot every time he says “you know”.

  • @derrickdicaprio
    @derrickdicaprio Před 9 měsíci +32

    Lemuel Plummer certainly has a place in Hell.

  • @sarbear9726
    @sarbear9726 Před 7 měsíci +7

    I like how Lemmy gives an answer without actually giving an answer and sort of just talks around the actual subject and somehow gets through and hour long interview without actually directly answering even one question that was asked. Lmao wtfffffff 😂😂😂

  • @juanitathecreator
    @juanitathecreator Před 9 měsíci +8

    I love how he tried to overly “corporatize” the conversation in his dialect like he’s doing a good and genuine thing when meanwhile, he absolutely does nothing but capitalize off ignorance.

  • @trinithospe
    @trinithospe Před 9 měsíci +51

    The dude never has a good answer to defend his horrible platform .......he is ughhhh

    • @tnicoletnicole
      @tnicoletnicole Před 9 měsíci +14

      Because you can’t defend it. It’s trash. He knows it but he’s making millions off of it; so it’s a go!

    • @ImJustaWill
      @ImJustaWill Před 9 měsíci

      Ratchet shit sells to this new generation and he caters to it.

    • @JasthePhilo
      @JasthePhilo Před 9 měsíci

      Very cringe

    • @roxannemapache826
      @roxannemapache826 Před 9 měsíci

      He should just say his end goal, I exploit women of color so I can get rich. There’s no other way around it 😂😂😂

  • @vonneal1
    @vonneal1 Před 9 měsíci +57

    People sign up to be on these shows and want to put their business out there for a check. Gotta hold both parties accountable.

    • @Mister19931
      @Mister19931 Před 9 měsíci +11

      Facts. Truth is if a black man wouldn’t have started Zeus a white man sure would’ve.

    • @Berrymerry928
      @Berrymerry928 Před 9 měsíci +5

      OR just live and let live.

    • @veronicalopez7635
      @veronicalopez7635 Před 3 měsíci +2

      I read there contract agreement just to register for an audition and it sounds like selling your soul to Zeus network. .

  • @teejthebrownbratt1725
    @teejthebrownbratt1725 Před 9 měsíci +51

    His energy gives me “I was bullied as a child but since I have Zeus I’m a big dog now”. Nah. You still Urkel my guy!

    • @SolarLove7
      @SolarLove7 Před 9 měsíci +3

      For real !

    • @Shalayah2010
      @Shalayah2010 Před 9 měsíci +4

      Lol it’s does

    • @jays.5978
      @jays.5978 Před 9 měsíci +5

      This! He is such a square

    • @noelchenault2749
      @noelchenault2749 Před 9 měsíci +1

      That’s what i was just thinking lol

    • @teejthebrownbratt1725
      @teejthebrownbratt1725 Před 9 měsíci +7

      @blackgirlinadoggoneworld all money ain’t good money. Believe me. This won’t last long. Lawsuits will come. If those people wise up. And he already have SA allegations out. So. Yeah.

  • @janefrank1
    @janefrank1 Před 9 měsíci +21

    That’s nice of the breakfast club to invite them to the show . And People just love drama that’s why they watch Zeus .

  • @jtdozier5
    @jtdozier5 Před 9 měsíci +119

    This may be the first interview I stop watching 3 minutes in.

  • @shawnj3219
    @shawnj3219 Před 9 měsíci +57

    I think he will eventually go more into toning down some of the fighting and ratchet shows but right now he's just giving the ppl what they wanna see and that's just No Tea No Shade Real⁉️🗣️💯

    • @aa-dw7dg
      @aa-dw7dg Před 9 měsíci +1

      That’s why I support my local police. Can’t wait til they lock all you ratchets up

  • @theventingcorner
    @theventingcorner Před 8 měsíci +3

    I’m proud of them. Paving the way.

  • @Rowdy-Dy
    @Rowdy-Dy Před 9 měsíci +2

    “Chin up , shoulders back” im cryinggg 😂😂😂😂

  • @HairAffairbyElle
    @HairAffairbyElle Před 9 měsíci +11

    Lordy their high numbers speak volumes about the state of our community.

  • @aubreyaldon1581
    @aubreyaldon1581 Před 9 měsíci +27

    Envy Changed that Erica Mena subject quick 😂😂

    • @innercity28
      @innercity28 Před 9 měsíci +8

      😂💀 I'm surprised they ain't cut that part out cause this has 2 be the 1st time someone has mentioned her on the breakfast club in 10 plus years

    • @callmecookie5430
      @callmecookie5430 Před 9 měsíci

      Yikes 😬

    • @curilocs
      @curilocs Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@innercity28Bow Wow mentioned her in the past 4 yrs on his last solo interview but it was hella quiet after 😂

    • @innercity28
      @innercity28 Před 9 měsíci +2

      @curilocs woooow now I gotta go back and listen 2 that interview good looks!

    • @curilocs
      @curilocs Před 9 měsíci +4

      @@innercity28I went straight to the comments because it was so awkward 😂

  • @bizieb23
    @bizieb23 Před 9 měsíci +4

    I think the difference between Zeus and other networks is other networks (VH1, Bravo, WE, Oxygen, etc.) are "scripted reality" full of manufactured storylines, reshoots, and producers telling the reality stars what to say and do and the Zeus network is like do you and the cameras will follow you.

  • @lifewithlani2556
    @lifewithlani2556 Před 9 měsíci +9

    I love how y’all are holding them accountable

  • @gabrielm4731
    @gabrielm4731 Před 9 měsíci +18

    Leme need a new publicist I don’t believe shit he say💀

  • @ashleyharp2681
    @ashleyharp2681 Před 9 měsíci +11

    Everyone making money off Chrisean my goodness

  • @ExoticBeauty_wifeyMaterial
    @ExoticBeauty_wifeyMaterial Před 9 měsíci +28

    Natalie is strong and that’s why she survives the criticism stop worrying about the hate girl we see you, keep flexing

  • @jmarie81590
    @jmarie81590 Před 9 měsíci +12

    They can’t control people but they can provide the drugs and liquor to control the situation mr ceo is funny 🤣😂

    • @TheRenegadeStarr
      @TheRenegadeStarr Před 9 měsíci

      Exactly, constantly distancing himself from accountability

    • @sheezallabouthercoinxz5905
      @sheezallabouthercoinxz5905 Před 9 měsíci

      Exactly, didn’t they ask him about that pregnant young lady smoking and drinking and his response was I wasn’t on the set . He never takes accountability and loves anything salacious because it drives sales.

  • @RH33M11
    @RH33M11 Před 9 měsíci +36

    The initial Natalie Nunn interview was hilarious. I wish the full interview was still up, I can only find clips now.

  • @richsport
    @richsport Před 9 měsíci +14

    The one question I would truly asked dude is “if you truly feel you not supporting the degradation of the black community if you have kids would you allow them to watch your show or even be on the shows”??? I bet you he would start stuttering and pan away from the question 🙃🙃

    • @Deniseessex222
      @Deniseessex222 Před 9 měsíci

      I was thinking the same thing. Do your kids or nieces and nephews watch your network? Or tv at all for that matter. They’re probably all home schooled vegans who don’t ingest what he sells

  • @arthurbrown662
    @arthurbrown662 Před 8 měsíci

    Great interview I love seeing a young focused black CEO

  • @JGabrielle33
    @JGabrielle33 Před 9 měsíci +3

    “Chin up, shoulders back”😂😂😂

  • @richsport
    @richsport Před 9 měsíci +44

    He all over the place he knew he was coming into the belly of the beast why are you not prepared. When they say a balance you just mention more ratchet shyt. Balance is shows putting our people in a positive light more shows where we show us advancing and being positive creators. Hopefully dude can make that pivot because he seems smart but staying ability will be his problem.

    • @Qjamz
      @Qjamz Před 9 měsíci

      Zeus network is TRASH!! PERIOD

  • @ceirrathompson4787
    @ceirrathompson4787 Před 9 měsíci +13

    He has one of the most ratchet/demeaning platforms bc of the money. It be ya own ppl😂😂

  • @nanipelekai5516
    @nanipelekai5516 Před 9 měsíci +6

    When char&env asked if there’s any way a cast member could be kicked off veus besides murder etc and they said “if they do something crazy” y’all asked “what’s crazy” and first thing that popped in my mind was “someone telling the truth on them/exposing” 🤦🏽‍♀️😂

  • @daddycrimson
    @daddycrimson Před 9 měsíci +3

    “Actually ‘b*tch ass nigga’ acronym is ban , B-A-N” charla 😂😂😂I keep coming back to this shyt so many funny gems

  • @tiabia111
    @tiabia111 Před 9 měsíci +8

    Oh lordddddd I ain’t even watch it yet and I’m gaggginnnnnn lmaooooo

  • @RoseGoldHunii
    @RoseGoldHunii Před 9 měsíci +75

    Lemmy did what CZcamsrs did during the pandemic, he just wanted to put out content that got views. He thought bigger than the CZcamsrs that were coming up, he started his own platform. He had a wide variety of things to watch, and produced more content based on what got the most views. Its not his fault people only paid attention to the ratchet stuff on Zeus, he saw what made money and did it! Can't hate on his hustle. Blame the people that watch that ratchet mess, and make him rich!

    • @aurileeray
      @aurileeray Před 9 měsíci +3

      ‼️

    • @Atribecalledsuccess
      @Atribecalledsuccess Před 9 měsíci +4

      So if someone is organizing a dog fighting ring don’t blame the organizers? According to your logic Just the ppl bringing dogs huh Damnn ppl are dumb

    • @RoseGoldHunii
      @RoseGoldHunii Před 9 měsíci +1

      Or you can just not subscribe to the content. No one is forcing anyone to watch the ratchet mess or pay for the subscription. People watch because they want to, so why get mad at the owner of the platform? No one shut down VH1 or anything Viacom for broadcasting the same content. No one shut down cable companies for allowing channels that display violence. So why be upset that this black man is getting rich using the same forumla? Ratchet situations will still be broadcasted, whether this man has it on his platform or not.
      @@Atribecalledsuccess

    • @regalsylvester
      @regalsylvester Před 9 měsíci +6

      @@Atribecalledsuccesspeople aren’t dogs. These are all adults. Don’t infantilize them.

    • @Atribecalledsuccess
      @Atribecalledsuccess Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@regalsylvester anything to avoid accountability SMH

  • @kanishakelis
    @kanishakelis Před 9 měsíci +8

    Lemuel gives cool vibes .. He that boss that’ll hire you w 3 felonies and a pending charge 🤷🏽‍♀️😂 he understands & I’m proud of Nats comeup that was great marketing to get here!!

  • @Ipassiontv
    @Ipassiontv Před 9 měsíci +6

    This man will be used as an model in the future, we are in a new day and age. Its no longer cable tv.. I cant wait to see what other brands he creates or become associated with.

  • @kingonakhi1734
    @kingonakhi1734 Před 9 měsíci +21

    A network like that is of no value to the culture or our community period! It’s literally trash.

  • @QueXopa79
    @QueXopa79 Před 9 měsíci +26

    I can’t believe y’all gave them an hour 😮

    • @mansoorzarif1135
      @mansoorzarif1135 Před 9 měsíci

      If you remember many years ago they gave the same amount of time for the reality show side chick's of charlotte..ijs

    • @lazndora2026
      @lazndora2026 Před 9 měsíci

      ​@@mansoorzarif1135that was because of Lil Duval tho

    • @Veon_Ray
      @Veon_Ray Před 9 měsíci

      Yeah, but 40mins of that was Charla airing them tf out, so it's okay! 😂

  • @shawnoliver8956
    @shawnoliver8956 Před 9 měsíci +4

    "In the wintertime, do you wear a chinchilla?" GAHTDAMN, Charla!!

  • @Nowiamfamous
    @Nowiamfamous Před 9 měsíci +17

    Natalie go stay on top cause she comes to work and delivers everytime elevating herself and the CEO

  • @MMcDonald1107
    @MMcDonald1107 Před 9 měsíci +9

    This interview shows it’s money over everything. Damn!

  • @chellbell7899
    @chellbell7899 Před 9 měsíci +12

    and Lemmy was just accused of some serious allegations and just doing a press run?

    • @kaceygrey5368
      @kaceygrey5368 Před 9 měsíci +3

      Trynna distract us from those same allegations

  • @vincentbailey1691
    @vincentbailey1691 Před 9 měsíci +16

    I really appreciate this man’s intellect 🙌🏾

  • @Sooambitious84
    @Sooambitious84 Před 3 měsíci

    This was a great interview I appreciate the transparency of both Lemme n Natalie if you don’t like it don’t tune in or subscribe everybody eating PERIODT

  • @kaywired2004
    @kaywired2004 Před 9 měsíci +6

    I’ll never understand leaving a nasty comment about someone’s looks that’s hurtful .

  • @udokee7409
    @udokee7409 Před 9 měsíci +6

    "We gon get on yo ass" 🤣🤣 that's right Charla ✊🏾

  • @tasheenageorge4044
    @tasheenageorge4044 Před 4 měsíci +1

    👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾idc I love this!!

  • @businessbuilder92
    @businessbuilder92 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Oh wow thats crazy i was in the jr. Olympics too 3 trips 10+ gold medals and played soccer at UVA

  • @whois5991
    @whois5991 Před 9 měsíci +12

    Look how the put the bag he bought her on the table like it’s a book she selling 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @justmisterp
    @justmisterp Před 9 měsíci +39

    Natalie whined till they let her up on the show 😂 The interview is about Zeus. Not Baddies.

  • @thechelseakiara
    @thechelseakiara Před 9 měsíci +9

    I love Charm calling out Lemy. He is behind the scene. He tries to hide and let Natalie take all the smoke. Stand on it. You are exploiting YOUR PEOPLE which makes a difference. Also the allegations cast members say about how the executives run things is a lot of red flags.

  • @rapcat1271
    @rapcat1271 Před 9 měsíci +10

    I once worked in Collections and Natalie was one of the files I had to call and I had to talk to her mom most of the time her mom was so extra.