How I cut a Wedged Mortise and Tenon!
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- In this video I show you How I like to cut wedged through mortise and tenon (Not How To). The wedged mortise and tenon is a very beautiful and strong joint, but it is a tough one to get perfect!
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So, I made a few mistakes in this video, but if you watch until the end, I talk about what went wrong, and what I could have done better! Hope you find this helpful!
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Good on you for showing those mistakes and letting us know what caused them and how to prevent them. Understanding a problem is what sets most apart from the rest.
Glen Ralph Well, failing is the best way of learning!
You can use soft wood wedges then it won't split
Are Baloni great job! It's important to learn from each and every attempt you make. And good for you sharing a project even if it's not perfect. My pile of embarrassing mistakes would make a fire to last a week. Well done, keep at it!
Thank you for including the mistakes. I learned more from this video than from similar vids where everything seems easy, giving the feeling: no experience needed to do this...
thanks for swallowing your pride for us Are. we all benefit and learn from that, not only in our woodworking.
I’m a complete novice and very much appreciate your honesty here. A lot of videos by woodworkers on the internet seem to show an effortless perfection: you show that in reality we all are on a learning curve. Good work and thanks for sharing.
I appreciate your honesty when it comes to showing the little mistake you made. Nobody's perfect and even experienced woodworkers happen to do things wrong. I personally think a good woodworker is the one who knows how to fix the mistakes and speaking of that you did the job perfectly.
I am a weekend wood butcher and learned an awful lot from this video. And don't worry about the cracks - most of the stuff I make is only fit for the fireplace.
I actually learned a lot more from this video than seeing people cutting perfect mortises and tenons. Thanks man!
People don't like to show mistakes😯. But I learn more by mistakes than a perfectly made 😃 great video 👏👏👏😊
I started wood-working, ohh, yonks ago. Had a workshop(commercial) back in the 90's. Issue is - everyone does "perfect square" using perfect flat - and so, furniture is perfectly dull. I now don't care if anything is square (hopefully it isn't) & especially hope nothing is flat. Nature is never flat or square - it's all curves. Then it gets interesting trying to make tight joints - but it also looks interesting & people want to touch it, because it isn't flat, or square, but it is beautiful. :-)
I was in a big wood-working supplies place today - very busy spot - everyone was browsing the machinery, nobody was in the wood-stock part looking at the beautiful wood they sell. I had that bit to myself. They were all busy looking at the lastest machines. I was drooling over the stunning wood - big slabs, featured planks - they can keep the machinery/super flat/super square stuff - wood isn't flat or square, it's just naturally beautiful - the idea ought be to leave as few signs of any machine/tool used on it - erase all trace you were there - just let the wood be seen at its best. IMO. Go with the grain. :-)
I appreciate you posting this video with what went wrong. Hopefully I can avoid it by taking this lesson to heart. Thank you.
I Applaud you for your honesty in showing how things can go wrong. The wedge spacing must coincide with the wedge being used and if not, you have just shown all the places that will suffer from the excessive force being placed on it. That Is Why it is so important to properly layout the wedge and gap to match and yes, the wedge can be longer but the overall of the wedge must coincide with the space it will be driven in With Glue. The tip of the wedge can be cut off a bit and the rest sticking out on top after the glue has dried. but the placing of the wedge into the tenon but not be too excessive but only snug, the Geometry, and Glue will do the rest. BRAVO, Very Good Video for others to see.
Credit to you for posting, sometimes we learn more from our failures than any book.
I know you've already heard this a million times, but I "too" thank you for posting the bloopers. Because you're young, humble, and exceedingly intelligent, you'll be a fine craftsman, in a world that is sadly lacking your talents, more and more, every day. You obviously learn from your mistakes, which will make you very successful. Thank you for sharing your talents. Happy New Year.
Glad you uploaded the vid, mate. Its a humbling experience for everyone.
You cannot learn anything if you do not make mistakes.
Great video, thank you for sharing 👍
Bill Carroll Thank you, Bill! 😊
Showing mistakes is how we all learn. Thank You my friend.
Well done young man (50 years of wood working)
I never even thought about joining a mortise and tenon the way you did. Thank you for posting this Are.
Agree with many of the other comments. Awesome that you uploaded your mistakes. I have a small CZcams channel, and I post my hand tool mistakes also. It shows that its ok to make mistakes. Whats important is that you figure out how to correct the mistake, and that you learned from it. Well done.
Jeff Carley Thank you! I agree 😊 Failing is the best way of learning!
You wood working gentlemen almost always have immaculate shops. Not necessarily the same with us weldors.
Great video. Very helpful and refreshingly honest.
thanks for post it and let the rest of us learn
Thanks for showing the error. It's great to see what can go wrong, and how to prevent it.
thank you for posting a mistake! waaaaay more helpful for me than watching perfection
Great work. Thanks for showing us your mistake aswell. So many people on here only show the good side of things. SUBSCRIBED
Are, thank you for posting this excellent video! All of us make mistakes in our woodworking efforts. By showing us the last portion of the video, you helped a lot of people to avoid those mistakes. I also liked your comment at the beginning of the video of saying that there might be a formula for the size of the tenon but you used what looked good to you. That is what creating art is about. Keep the videos coming and thank you for them.
It's actually more helpful to see your mistakes than to see it done perfectly. You made the potential difficulties easy to see.
I always like an honest video, including the mistakes. It's the pitfalls that we learn from. That's why we practice, so that we can look critical to our own work and see where there is room for improvement. And watching another one making mistakes, warns and teaches us something upfront before we try it ourselves. Nice video, thanks for sharing.
Aye I agree that it's really useful to see mistakes being made. Great vid.
Thanks for deciding to post this, despite your errors. I'm building a kitchen step stool and would like to do a wedged mortise and tenon to attach the top. Tons of good info in this video for a beginner. Thank you!
I uploaded your courage and honesty to expose your mistakes. When I was an apprentice, I made a big mistake and my journeyman told me: "Danny the one who Never makes a mistake is Not Working, Everyone will make a mistake from time to time the difference is the Really Good Craftsmen Know How to fix the mistake but you should never feel that you have to tell anyone of the mistake.
Thank you for posting the problems and not just your perfect work. It is really helpful to see what can go wrong with a project like this and I think we learn just as much from the mistakes as from the projects that go to plan.
Nice video. Good to see someone unafraid to show their mistakes. Thanks for sharing!!
Bro, mistakes or not, thank you for that…. That was super educational and informative on this ‘specific joinery,’ so thank you……regards…. AT
I'm glad you decided to post. I have seen other do wedges on CZcams and thought they would look better if the gap was bigger... now I understand why they did what they did. Thanks for helping me learn
A very honest video. I learn very little from perfect. This is great, keep them coming.
Great tutorial! I appreciate that you admit your mistakes and explain why they happened. That’s when the learning kicks in. Looking forward to more videos.
I like that you’re not too proud to show your mistakes. Because we always learn from them. And sometimes, if we’re lucky, that so called “mistake” may turn out to be the best feature of the piece!! Just depends on ones viewpoint.
Great video.
Very good, thanks. Its nice to see the mistakes, too.
I'm working on my first mortise and tenon for a mallet so this was very useful to watch. I appreciate you showing us your mistakes! We've both learned that way!
thanks for uploading that, Are. overall, you did a really fine job.
recently i was working on a coffee table where i used sliding dovetails (vertically) to join the aprons to the legs. i cut the slots in the legs a little shorter than the vertical measurement of the aprons, and i cut the tails a little short to match, so as to hide the joinery method at the glue up. on my first apron, i cut the wrong end off of one of the tails (i cut a little piece off of each side at a diagonal, instead of off the same edge). it's hard to explain without photos, but the *point* is, i HAD to make that mistake ONCE, because it taught me about my process. a few weeks later i was making mid-century style legs for a cabinet with a smaller version of what i had done for the coffee table and again used sliding dovetails. i laughed as i remembered my previous mistake and, lo and behold, did not repeat it. :)
maybe we must make some mistakes once because it really is the best way to learn.
Thanks for posting the video with errors. I've been attempting the wedge M&T for the past couple of weeks. Sooooo frustrating. It doesn't help that I have the worst chiseling skills on the planet. 😂
I appreciate your honesty; you're a real person and a good Woodworker☺📐
Great video, so glad u decided to post anyway! Mistakes are the best lessons, you’ve shown real integrity here
I learnt more from this video than any other I have watched before, why? because you explained & showed the pitfalls, great work Are!
Are, we appreciate your candidness, honesty etc. I can learn from understanding your mistakes. Good video.
Great integrity, and it was nice to see someone post an honest mistake that anyone could have made. Great job.
Thanks for uploading. I just made a project with wedged mortise and tenons and made the same mistake of making the outside opening too large. I had seen a lot of videos of them going correctly, it's nice to see an explanation of why they went wrong here. I also had a piece crack from trying to make the wedges expand the wood to fit the opening.
Thank you Are, your honesty is refreshing. It also helps me a lot.....
Few "Professional" youtubers will admit on camera, that the project turned out, less than perfect... Well done... Makes us mere humans feel better about ourselves!.. New Sub....
I'm using the scale stopper this guy is very useful to me, i don't know what to say it in Norway or English. I'm interested in your works and am in 4th of your videos. Thank you!
Are...as usual another excellent video. You seemed disappointed that the tenon did not come out as you wished. I am glad you posted it with your follow-up comments explaining what you felt were the short comings of the joint. We all learn by doing and sometimes things don't quite go as we plan or they just are not right. I could probably fill a book with things I have learned from mistakes I have made. Anyone who wants to try the joint will remember your words on what went wrong and probably be able to avoid them when they give it a try.
Looked like you may have been using a soft wood (spruce or pine?)for the joint. They can sometimes develop a crack without warning. I am not sure if you would have had the same problem if you were making the joint from maple with walnut wedges. Regardless it still looked real nice. Having made small errors over time, I have been told that I am to critical of myself and they would have not noticed it if I had not pointed it out to them. Keep up the great videos!
I enjoyed the video. The best example you gave use was... "doing a trial prototype first". the video was well worth watching. Good Luck.
I admire your honesty and allowing us to learn from your mistake. It was very helpfull and once again thank you for your honesty.
This is the right way!!! Gold work and congrats for your honest in showing your mistakes. Great.
Thank you very much! 😊
Brillanet explicacion!!! La gran mayoria publica solo trabajos perfectos. Sin embargo yo aprecio mucho cuando muestran un trabajo fallido y luego explican el por que fallo. Eso solo habla bien de usted como persona. Sigue adelante!!!
Thanks for the post Are. Helps a lot.
Thanks! Tryin* to make my first one right now for a bench. I appreciate your insight it will help me to keep the mortise a little smaller.
I made the exact same mistakes last night. First wedged tenon I have ever tried, made the angles in the mortise too big, made the cuts in the tenon too far in, I also cut my wedges with the grain going the wrong direction; total disaster. Was really not happy with the result, but I learned. Thanks for posting!
Nice to hear that I am not only one! ;) Oh, I´ve done that mistake as well; that does not work great! Thank you!
Very helpful. Thank you for deciding to show these mistakes. Keep on making videos, we can learn together.
another great video! Thanks for showing the good and the bad with the test joint.
You're all right buddy thanks for your honesty we can learn More from you keep up the good job
Thanks for the video. Learning is part of the process
great stuff i am glad you added this mistakes at the end as i am about to do my first wedged through tenon so good to know what i should look out for. Thanks for the upload
Good work here.
Excellent video. Thank you for posting your mistakes. Very helpful for me as I am about to assemble the stairs I built with through wedged tenons a d this will help me not to make the same mistakes. So again, many thanks!
Great one Are, at least you recognise, admit to, and learn from your mistakes 👍👍👍 There's a lot of woodworkers on YT that make mistakes but are far to up themselves to admit it, let alone upload it for the world to see 😳 Thanks for sharing 😎
At 1:25 you say " I really don't think it matters" when acknowledging that there must be some kind of formula regarding the size of tenons in relation to the board being mortised. Hopefully you are starting to realize that it might matter, just as the size of the wedged side of mortise matters. Your video is more informative and instructional than some channels that don't show or acknowledge mistakes. Great job, and thanks for letting us learn with you.
Thank you for the video. Very helpful
Subscribed! Just because you posted your mistakes. Thats refreshing! I think people learn more from things like this than if it had went perfectly.
Hitechredneck Thank you! 😊 That is great!
Thank you, definitely learned a lot from this one.
Rob Trautvetter - Takami Woodshop You're welcome! Good to hear! 😊
Thank you for sharing your mistakes. That’s how I learn too. Good job.
Really good video man. Thanks
Indeed it was helpful to watch... I always learn something from your videos.... thx so much for sharing.
Mohammed Zakaria That is awesome! Thank you!
I like the intro, It's now How To, It's How I do :)
Great tips!
Thanks for uploading!
Great demonstration.
WB Fine Woodworking Thank you! 😊
the only way to become better is by making mistakes and learning from then. Thanks for the video. Sth new learned!
Great job!
Still was a good video thanks.
I think it was very big of you to show your mistakes also well explained 👍
Philip Jones Thanks!! 😊
cool vid man, always include the mistakes, that way we all learn! cheers
Honestly I liked that there were mistakes. It doesn’t set the expectation that projects should come out perfect every time
I feel like your a perfectionist like I am. Thanks for uploading anyways!
Great post
Keith Murphy Thank you! 😊
Thank you. I seem to learn more from mistakes than perfection anyway.
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good vid thats how we learn
David Slater I agree! Thanks!
hi great video, this is just my opinion but i was taught in my apprenticeship that as a general rule the tenon width should be no more tha 5 times the thickness of the tennon and the tenon thickness should be no thicker than 1/3 of the stock its mortised into. If you make the tennon too thick you weaken the couter part visa versa👍
Thanks, I wasn't aware of that :)
super...gut erklärt
Hartmut Zoller Thank you! 😊
thanks for posting this video. One other mistake you made was that the lines you cut should end to the inner side of the holes so you have less tension
Great video! What brand of japanese chisels do you use? Do you like them? Thanks in advance.
Drill a stop hole at the end of a ten on before adding wedges it will help the board not to split good job keep it up
What type of chisels are you using in the to clean up the mortise? And what type of sharpener do you use on them? Nice video!
Would the tenon being a little less proud help with most of the issues here?
hey, what type of table saw do you have ? I guess from the video that you have dewalt. No complains ? would you recommend it for a newbie woodworker ? :) I enjoy your channel pretty much, sir! keep doing quality stuff :)
Yes, it´s a DeWalt DW745! It´s great for beginner woodworkers, but it´s definitely one of the machines that I am looking to replace with a bigger one! Thank you very much! :)
Nice video although the rules for mortice and tenon when making doors windows etc is a third of your materials thickness not what looks good as this maintains strength in the timber.
Hey life’s about making mistakes and figuring them out. Don’t sweat it. I personally would have used dowels on the sides and no wedges. Just me thought.
I need to point out a very common mistake made even by the best. Often times joints are so tight and are to be glued that most if not all the glue now gets pushed out of the intended area to receive glue. In this video as soon as the wedge was started to be pushed in place the intended area did open and that is when glue should have been put into and down the opening of the tenon, but this was not done and you can plainly see All of the Glue that was put on the wedge is now being pushed up and out on top of the whole assembly nothing going into the joint itself. Now you are left with only the geometry of the joint and the friction of the wood against each other that is holding the boards together without any glue inside.
carpenters make mistakes, we just know how to work with them
4mm instead of 6mm of gap would still be too much.
This is actually the number one mistake in all those videos about wedged tenon, people aim for aesthetic more than logic.
1) wedges need to be THIN, they are just here as wedges
2) you need no gap, or a VERY SMALL gap in the outer edge of the mortise ; if you want a gap, place it on the openings you make on the tenon (again very very small)
The smaller the wedges, the smaller the gap, the smaller the angle, the less chance you have anything splitting.
People should try to install their wedges on their tenon without being in the mortise, just to see the impact on the wood to understand.
it is too tense no hatred mean
Maybe you should just stick to practical and talk less with the theory bro?