FSU Football rock bottom after 52-10 loss to Miami? : Warchant Wrap, Florida State analysis
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- Ira Schoffel and Corey Clark discuss FSU's concerning effort vs. Miami and what's next for Mike Norvell early in his tenure #FSUfootball #FloridaStatefootball #Warchant
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Last night's game was the single most embarrassing thing I've ever seen from my Noles. Even through the Taggart era, I've never witnessed anything so bad.
Hold on cause its gonna get worse before it gets better
@IAmaPersion I agree to a degree, but we should never get our doors blown off like last night either...
Well. At this point, I don't know if we can beat jacksonville state next week. Could get worse.
Your tears taste so good 😂
@R. Guardia I'll take "Things I never said" for $100, Alex.
At least you recognize that FSU is 100% Pure Garbage. Win or lose at Clemson, it'll still be 52-10 over FSU and 4 Straight W's and 2 straight blowouts. Didn't we end an era at FSU last year? Yesterday we put your program on life support 😂😂😂. Now cry some more for me.
One thing that's for sure
Taggart is gone so you can't blame him anymore
You know they gonna find a way to
Blame taggart.
No problem, Fire Norvell, Now!
The season is over, anyway!
These are still Taggert's kids
Taggert is gone...but his players are still here.
Sure you can, with his trash recruiting
Marvin Wilson's so overrated. Has he a sack or tackle all year.
He isn't great but he is a big fat slow guy, any OC worth a cent can scheme around him easily.
@Jeremy Marsh 100%
Too busy calling out his coaches....
@@sammylantz7660 Marvin looks slow as does the entire defense.. Has given up 68 points in 2 games.
Oh wow just shut up and play football right???? No he not a slave.
Big time Canes fan here and I just want to say, I know how you guys feel, believe me. Miami has been right here where you guys are several times in the past 15 years. Remember, you guys blew us out in 2010 and again in 2013.
We was at least a 6-6 team with no OC
And again last year,
I'll be so glad when they start chubba so cory can stop blaming everything wrong with this team on blackmon. This team is so bad in many other areas besides blackmon. Yeah blackmon is not the qb for this team but did you see that o line? The o line was like an open gate. The defense is terrible hasn't got a 3 and out in 2 games. Players still getting stupid penalties smh but put it all on blackmon he's the reason for all of this. But what you don't hear is these coaches are looking bad just like willie did last year and worse. At least last year's team scored points. They started this hype train about these coaches but now wanna throw all the blame on blackmon.
Yup, nobody should have been hyping this team over the summer.
Adam Fuller was a joke last year and anybody that expected him to have an elite defense at FSU with a few weeks of practice was on drugs.
Warchant repping this defense all summer is exactly why I'm not a subscriber, you are paying money to read nonsense.
Omar Brewton I totally agree throw Purdy out there and he will look the same cause this entire team is sooo bad
Blackman ain’t it..he’s been there long enough for us to see he can’t move the ball consistently..only reason he’s even playing is because his arm is slightly better than Jordan’s which ain’t much to talk about either way..but when Jordan is in the game you know he’s running but can’t stop him til he got hurt..when James is in the game defense still know he struggles in the passing game and can’t get thru his reads fast enough..they load the box and send the house at him every time playing man in the back..at least with Jordan you slow that down a Little bit..also blackmans throwing mechanics are extremely flawed causing him to be late on a lot of throws and hesitate on throwing the ball in tight windows..when bubba bolden broke up that pass blades intercepted on the goal line he was super late throwing that ball
@@christhompson3489 You must've missed when I said blackmon isn't the qb for us??? My comment was he's being thrown under the bus like he's the only reason fsu is so bad. It's a lot of holes in this team but when you don't wanna place the blame on a defense, coaching staff, and other positions that was hyped up all summer just blame it all on blackmon I guess.
Omar Brewton I don’t think was saying Blackmon wasn’t a problem but so many fans believe that Blackman is the only problem and that’s not true especially aslon and Corey like purdy is gonna come in here and light it up he’s not with this o line
Willie took a lot heat and no one made excuses for him. I’m hearing alot of excuses for this BLOWOUT!!!!
Willie was too black
Facts
@Josh Weaver willie taggart coaches at fau who was scheduled to play usf but usf postponed because of covid. Wth are you talking about
@Josh Weaver you are slow. How can you lose a game if you dont play one on the schedule. Fau did not play a game yet this season. But you have buyers remorse with norvell so I guess thats why you are ignoring factual information
@Josh Weaver also you are the king of hypocrisy like ive been telling you. All last season i said constantly these were not good players and players play and coaches coach. You were one of the main ones saying it was all the coach fault and he cant coach this level of talent. But now that norvell is a failure its the players. Gtfoh with that bs. Now thats whats called privileged for real
5 straight touchdowns!!!!!!! Why the hell are u guys ignoring this horrible defense and terrible coaching??? Amazing the difference between a 1/2 season makes!
Because Taggarts gone so they refuse to blame the new coaching staff......Im a FSU fan and i been knew the team sucked
@@kimboslice5053 Yes Brett Venables is going to BE HC For FSU I told Everyone that lamo
@@benalexander2424 if the talent level isn't improved Belichick couldn't save the Noles
@@kimboslice5053 LOL Like I said FSU is gonna Hire Venables and FSU I alerady told everyone that idoit... and no Belichick isnt going to be our Coach Venables is going to be our Football coach idoit
@@kimboslice5053 FSU will Beat Duke This Year.... They Dont Have chase brice anymore.... Chase brice is leaving duke to go to FSU.
“Rhett Lashlee doesn’t know more about offense than Norvell”
“Jaelen Phillips didn’t make much of an impact this game”.
“Only D’Eric king and their is the only transfer making a difference”.
All those statements can be proven false with quickness. First things first, Rhett Lashlee has succeeded with multiple teams when coaching offenses. Secondly, Jaelen Phillips play only a half and had 3 tackles and 2 defensive stops. And last but not least we have Bubba Bolden, Jarrid Williams, Quincy Roche, Jaelen Phillips, Jose Borregales alll which are transfers making an immediate impact on this team.
This is the first time I am going to agree with Corey and Ira. I am calling for a youth movement now. These season doesn't matter anyway.
How are you going to say that Jaylen Phillips didn't have an impact on the game when he had the INT from Jordan and multiple TFLs? Btw that same 2019 Miami team that was a "debacle", also beat the crap out of FSU 27-10 in Tally.
You beat a Willie Taggart team! You want a cookie? That's not saying anything. You lost to FIU, and got blown out in your bowl game. Miami is the same exact team with a good QB. You will be back mediocre next year.
@T Po1994 LOL a 3 score game isn't a blowout to FSU fans? Yall got embarrassed 2 years in a row.
All they want to do is blame their quarterback. Their troubles run deep, and as a cane fan I understand. However, their troubles start with their line and end with their defense. Blackmon is a fraction of their issues.
Bobby Bonilla Bobcat you’re not watching Bobby boy, the canes are a whole different monster this year and when they win the acc your fat lips will be sealed shut
@@bradbeck6259 so what ACC are they winning, the Coastal? Maybe.
Just play underclassmen. There is zero upperclassmen leadership. As I posted on Warchant Post-game Show, FSU is now irrelevent. The absolute worse thing I can say about Florida State.
Don't put all your money on Purdy. Don't underestimate Rodemaker. There are so many talented young players. WR Poitier has good hands - play him. Toafili is awesome. Play OT's Shrader, Scott. Get rid of the DEAD WOOD. GO... NOLES...!!!! *Do not play Blackman ever again.
The 3 man rush should have been scraped early in the first half
No, should never have been tried. It's stupid.
we need 5 on the D line....right from the snap. At least man up and defend runs and provide a rush on the QB
It's not the 3 man front that is the problem. It is the 3 linebackers. They need a 4th linebacker to allow flexibility of a linebacker moving up to play end, blitz, drop back i to coverage, zone, edge hold, etc. A ton of successful teams run 3 man fronts but they don't go 3-3-5 formations as a norm.
Well let's get these freshmen out there
Miami played 20 true freshman let that sink in
My prediction is that 6 more FSU football team members will enter the transfer portal this week and transfer out of the FSU program.
I agree...but isn't it their fault?? They are the ones playing soft af. So if the whole team leaves oh well...
2011, Jimbo went with a youth movement in the champs sports bowl vs a much better ND team at that point. He started all new Olineman, with freshmen WRs and we struggled. But in the end the game was won. That move alone because he knew Winston was coming the next year, propelled them to the 2013 NC! You have to sometimes suffer and make difficult choices to ultimately achieve your major goal.
But we don't have no WINSTON....
FSU,dropped the ball by not giving jimbo what he wanted.. now we stuck with 2 tier coaches,some coaches are glad to be coaching at a school like Fsu.... just look at there resume!!!!
@@taftkid7365 You totally missed my point, the point is sometimes you have to go with youth. You cant keep going with what you have if you know they are not in the future. Purdy, Altmyer, Rodemaker, whomever can be a Winston with the right team around them you dont know yet. You have to build it now and make a stance. Winsto was good but he also had a stellar oline (bc of jimbo playing them early and they grew together) and veteran rbs, (freeman, wilder,) a top TE and wrs who grew up in that ND game.
I was at that game and I remember I was nervous about that starting lineup at O-line... 17 year old Bobby Hart... And even more worried at halftime! But I was celebrating 2 years later when that line was grown up and paying off. People just need to chill and accept that we're going thru it now. Not fun to watch AT ALL. But these growing pains are inevitable for a program that has had the experience of the past 3 years, unfortunate but it's reality. True fans will give this staff a chance and not be lost like some of these players seem to be. It's hard but it's not like we have many options roster wise. Now it's time to invest in the future. Most Noles fans have never known anything like this with our beloved team. Have some faith and hope, and patience. There's a lot of young guys on the roster that are desperate to get a chance to make a difference. It's gonna be a tough road but they need us to have faith in them. This thing will turn around in due time.
@@SM-ql8ty My point exactly!! I was at the clemson game in 05' and just thinking we are never going to get back to relevance, but we did it will happen gotta recruit recruit recruit!
Taggart, Norvell is it really the coach or is it team? The FSU administration should be Fired!
FSU, could have easily had a top 5 coach, but instead, they went on the cheap! It looks like another Horrible season, again!
Yup, and Jimbo will have Texas AM humming very soon.
NFL players all over that roster already, 1st rounders everywhere.
@@noshotnova2432 Jimbo got out at the perfect time! I don't think he could handle this Shit storm!
Went on the cheap ??? Since when is paying a coach 5 mill a year and then another 3.25 mill a year considered on the cheap. ?
@@Supergoat76 you don't know the story then, Jimbo wanted a football only facility right away, instead the dumbass boosters built that champions club that sits empty every saturday for themselves. That was the beginning of the end, FSU is run by morons and disgraced themselves with Bobby's exit and Jimbos.... only a moron would come to work at FSU these days, it's where careers go to die.
@@noshotnova2432 ok. I misinderstood. Thought he was talking about coaches. You are right about jimbo. If we had spent some coin on facilities, he would still be here. And yes, absolutely the brass at the top is about brain dead.
This is the coach y’all wanted.
This was FSU's 6th offer, Norvell wasn't who they wanted.. 6 offers declined until they fell on Norvell.
Kristoph Stjames Couldve kept the guy they had then instead of paying 18 million dollars for a lateral move.
Should have given Jimbo what he wanted..with all the money they spent they could have easily given Fisher the Indoor Facility he requested. Fisher never wanted to leave FSU, he left because the AD was a tool.
Kristoph Stjames there was probably more to it than that.
U god damn right this is the coach we wanted how this comment looking now that we’re 10-0
1. Do we have no under center formations? The notion that we'll have a running game with only TB/QB counters, draws, and stretches out of the shotgun is unheard of at least as Iong as I've watched football. I mean Kenny Dillingham, please talk to me. A TB lead or dive out of an under center formation. Simple.
2. Respectfully, if we look at the +/- of the LBs 1 and 35 over their careers, it's inexcusable that they still get playing time.
3. The backups clearly have out earned the starters except for Asante and Amari, and need more time.
4. I think it's time to hand the reigns to Tate Rodemaker. The season is over at this point we need to start developing the real future of this program.
I say all of this respectfully as a true fan of the program, and I wish all the kids and coaches the best.
Dorsey Hairston ....we can only expect deja vu til this gets cleaned up by clearing out the weeds....
Maybe we need Charles Kelly back 😭🤦🏾♂️ n I hate to say it willie taggart/ briles offense was way better wit the same players we knew the problem was the oline n QB but at least are backs and recivers showed there potential n talent
Exactly!!
I thought that FSU had a coach in Kendall and dc in levitt or Mickey waiting while salivating for another shot at dc again, but nope, they had to hire another used car salesman in Norvell and a few not so great staff over those 2 mentioned above. I realize Chris Thompson does have decent past coaching credentials and cannot blame him for this mess just yet (doing Norvells bidding). Additionally, be advised, Norvell has a 1-3 bowl record.....that should tell ya something
T Po1994 u say it wouldn’t be any better but dawg fuckn 13 against GT n 10 against a sorry Miami defense briles put up more points agianst boise in a half then norvell did in 2 games
NOT the same players. People keep downplaying Cam Akers. Us losing him is huge!! We literally would have won 2 games last year if it wasn't for him. There were like 4 games where he put the team on his back and won the game.
T Po1994 Georgia tech is not better then Boise bro sorry to tell u that it may look like that cause we fell off that bad uab put up more points agianst Miami than we did stop the excuses for norvell let’s keep the same energy like we did for taggart it’s only fair
9 months ago: oh my goodness he nailed that press conference. Oh my goodness look at this phenomenal coaching staff hes put together. Then oh he has these players bought in to what hes doing. Fast forward to present day and they suck like most of us logical folks knew, oh he needs to get rid of these players. That was the obvious problem since 2016 really. Remember the turd comment taggart made about the roster. He got that info from fisher and let it slip out and tried walking it back. Couldn't say these players suck. But yall said it was all him and now yall giving norvell a pass and saying its the players. Double freaking standard folks. Hes the coach and is doing a bad job right now period.
I never said that. I thought it was a "settle" hire. He's too low ball, and he didn't hire bigtime assistants, who can recruit.
Taggart was a complete fraud. Norvell and his staff are definitely better than Taggart and his loser buddies he had tagging along, but, the only way FSU can improve is to get rid of the cancer's and head cases, and rebuild. That means recruiting has to be the number one priority.
Let the young guy's play, and recruit. That's all you can do at this point.
@@thorvalentinehatesytalgori2632 my comment was in reference to all the fsu and espn media heads when norvell was hired. Btw taggart didnt even lose a game this bad so...norvell aint the answer but fsu stuck with him. Also how do you rebuild with recruits if you keep getting blown out
@@carter1431 Your problem, and it will always be your problem, is that you refused to see Taggart for what he was. And that was a FRAUD!!
But, that said, you can recruit to Florida freaking State! Sell playing time, and the stage FSU plays on. Sell the opportunity. Mack Brown is wheeling and dealing at North Carolina right now, and they haven't won anything.
I don't think Norvell is the right hire. I've been on record with that. The right coach for FSU doesn't need to struggle to recruit and rebuild FSU. Problem right now is the "leaders" on this team are bad seeds. They really need to make some examples out of those guys.
I can't even imagine how many excuses Taggart would be making at this point if he were the coach.
@@thorvalentinehatesytalgori2632 well norvell dont have to make any because all of yall are making them for him. See how that double standard works. Can't deny it because you just did it along with the majority of analyst mainly kirk herbstreat all night
Definitely not better than Taggart so far!! Hell Norvell can’t score more than 13pts!!
What is this season going to do for decent future recruits? Who else will enter the Portal?
Love you JB. You literally are takin the weight of the world
Notre Dame Clemson North Carolina Pittsburgh Louisville hell might even lose to Jackson State
Miami defeats UAB 31-14 last week.....slammed our noles by 42 and they were being merciful about it.....Jacksonville state will be the talk of the nation if they get us.....just ask Michigan over that app state game years back how well it went over nationally....a non removable daily thorn
@@knighttemplar221 don't knock App St they were FCS champions 05, 06 and 07.
Knight Templar hey I’m a Miami fan, we lost to fiu last season... a lot can change in a year, you guys will be it figured out, I’d rather watch a 3 point nail biter in this rivalry anyways...stay up!
This season might not be that bad. Travis has changed a lot of things and we did beat J’Ville St and the Tar Heels.
I believe the so called veteran players were recruited by Jimbo. They're still in their feelings about him leaving even though it was three years ago.
Hahaha geeeesh, that's rich
Definitely, imagine thinking you are gonna play for him and then surprise, you get to play for morons instead.
The kids who didn't transfer immediately are idiots and they got exactly what they deserve by staying to play for shit coaches that never wanted you in the first place.
The Blackman slander is getting old!! Norvell play calling is TERRIBLE!! Fuller Defense Is TERRIBLE!! No Blitzing, Too Much Zone, Too Much Cushion From DB’s ... It’s God Awful!!!
Y’all Blackman like he’s he’s the only guy on the team! Blackman errors comes from him getting hit so much over the years!! Travis is good but coaches don’t have confidence in his arm.. hints why they haven’t called many passing plays for him!
Last years team will kill this team!!!
Last years team couldn't even line up correctly and didn't even know the plays.
Blackman's terrible granted the offensive line's been terrible for years. Jordan Travis can't pass, he's one dimensional can only run. Marvin Wilson's overrated. Has he a had sack or tackle yet this hear? No pass rush, secondary is terrible with exception of Samuel. Just a bad 2 win team at best.
Travis needs to play as a running back.....Blackman.....a wr....a good coach would have recognize that by now....psssst....Coach Norvell is 1-3 in bowl games.....sad isn’t it that he was a hire? Shaking my head....
Yes - the zone play is lame. And only rushing 3 up front? Plus the DL, in general, is soft. Wilson = overrated. Maybe Odell needs to retire? I just don't see the physical play.
Wow that bold head guy refused to give Miami credit he even ask what s the difference between Miami this year and last year, that made him sound like a jerk.
I hear a TON of excuses for Norvell, where’s the energy y’all had for Taggart?
at least MN went 12-1 with less than great talent, then again FSU has less than great talent. Point is I don't think WT wins at Memphis, Norvell did.
Kristoph Stjames With a group of 5 team. Taggart sweet 10-2 with USF, and was 6-1 at Oregon before his QB got hurt. Cut the bullshit.
Taggart sucked anyway
Well. First of all taggert coached 21 games. Norvell has coached 1 game. 2nd of all Norvell has a winning record and a smaller contract than Taggert. By year end Norvell will be on the hot seat just like Taggert was.
Brian I don’t care if he coached 100. The energy was not the same. It was said that he’s not ready, job too big , he looked lost, yet the current coach just allowed the other team to score the most points ever in this rivalry. But go ahead, beat that Norvell drum.
Well, Saban went on public with the comment that somma his players wont make it to the bus if they dont want to contribute to the team. Norvell can damn sure say the same thing. Hurt feelings be damned.
Nick can say that with an abundance of talent walking around..those words are career suicide for Mike Norvell at this point because these players will literally boycott and not play..they’ve already done it when they accused him of lying
@Ant Davis
Too all...Norvell has nothing to lose at this point. Make a thinly veiled threat and put it on the players shoulders. They big enough to make their own damn decisions.
I respect this platform. You guys help me stay update. Blaming Blackman and mentioning him after every other sgement won't help. Can he play better? Obviously. The worst part of this team is the offensive line and it's been that way for at least 6 years. No matter if Blackman sucks or if he was Trevor Lawrence if he doesn't have time to get to his 2nd progression then it doesn't matter. Football is pretty simple. You have to win in the trenches.
You are so right, i don't care for Saban, but i have to give him credit,when he takes over a program that's one of the FIRST things he does is start building his off.and def. LINES. And other than Tua, Saban proves that you can win with an average qb, playing behind a good/great line.
@@rocjones6543 yeah man. Dominating the trenches makes life easier. I believe we will get there. By year 4 we will be costing at the top of the ACC
Blackman can't make second reads. He sees ghosts. He's an awful QB, there's no way around it. If we had a mobile guy like King we would look much better. Look how much a difference Jordan Travis makes. If he could throw the ball we would be much better.
It does not matter which quarterback plays, that whole team needs high level coaching but hasn’t had it since jimbo last years...
So now it's the players.
😂
It's a new embarrassing low every week with this team. Logo's cursed.
What is going to happen the rest of this year?
I love it, this fan base ran off a top 5 coach and is getting exactly what they deserve.
yeah dude it’s just the logo lol
😂😂😂😂
Keep that same energy that you had the last 2 years. Be consistent!
You get what you fucking deserve! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
We're going to have to fire our defensive coordinator for sure too
Check Fuller's background. I think he is considered a high achiever. Look at what he did at Marshall with much less talent.
Bobby FSU will Hire Venables From Clemson as Next Coach.... Just Accounced he is leaving Clemson
Coach has to clean house.
FSU NEEDS TO CLEAN HOUSE..NEED NEW COACH..WATCH IT WILL GET WORSE..
Shiii....I went to sleep at halftime. I de-committed until next week. 😆
These AAC COACHES isnt going to do it...
@T Po1994 So right. There is a complete personel and culture changed needed and it will not happen in two games.
@@Amari_Antique21-el6uv He was Asst Head Coach at Arizona State before taking the Memphis Head Coaching Job.
@@westendmed u silly if you think FSU is going fire norvell after this season this year.
Man this poverty in trailerhassee pleases me🔥🙌
Rodemaker Do your thing Norvell Auburn went 2& 9 year before they played us in title game 2014 young guys keep working we fsu more Dogs coming
No, there is no dogs coming! The talent level drops starting next season. We're going to win 2 games this year, and we're going to end up with an awful recruiting class. Some of you fans have no clue what's going on and how bad this is.
@@doubleboy2388 You sound like a troll masquerading as an FSU fan. This rebuild isn't going to happen in one season. Play the young ones and look to the future.
The Recruiting class for 21 is not going to be good probably in the 30s. Florida has a top5 class and the U has a top 10 class.
Does anyone remember when Danny Kanell said that FSU was closer to winning than Miami? How's that theory working out so far?
Well we will see if Miami that real deal when they play Clemson..... in when your they quarterback gone next year... they just got a good transfer... that’s it... when he gone back to the old Miami...
@@nathanieljemison1702 Don't get it twisted, I don't think we'll beat Clemson and I don't think we're world beaters. The DL isn't elite level without Rousseau and I think that's critical to be championship caliber. I'm just pointing out how dumb Danny looks right now. Also, I think Manny has a QB type for Lashlee's uptempo spread. If he can have success with King, he'll be able to convince similar caliber QBs to commit. If not,, King hasnt lost any eligibility. We'll be fine. FSU is currently in circling the drain and in their Al Golden phase. Dont be mad that I'm enjoying the train wreck. I'm sure you enjoyed it when it was our turn.
2001Canes BestEver not mad .. remember we were the last team to win a national championship in the state of Florida.. in heisman winner... never mad... but enjoy your win in congratulations on it... have a good rest of the season
No, because FSU fans don't listen to Danny Kanell 🤣 congrats on the win
The coordinators suck
They call the plays....
Naw man it’s our players. They have no heart, a fragile mindset and a inability to execute.
@@butleroferic1135 but its up to the coaches to bring that dawg out of them.....
If I can coach up a 10u youth football team up here In ATL ,it can be done!!!
Hope coachMike did lose the team back when that twitter shiiid jumped off..
Our defensive coordinator is going to be fired at the end of the year no doubt. No excuses for that.
K. Brown that’s not how coaching works bro. That “dog” that you’re referring to can’t be taught. You either have it or you don’t. This is a recruiting issue. When Norvell gets his guys in (a full recruiting class) you’ll see a difference. Our guys just don’t have it.
@@butleroferic1135 ok i feel ya bruh...
I have a 10u squad up here in ATL
Some coaches called them da bad news bears,my 1st year 2019 we came up one game short to the frank ski game..."ITS ABOUT GETTING KIDS TO BELIEVE IN YOU AND WHAT YOUR TEACHING THEM" TRUST!!! some people can motivate easy cause its NATURAL!!! I feel coachMike lost a % of this team with that twitter BS......
At least Norvell is organized, right? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Norvell was not at the game.
They feel sorry for these player, I say scew that.
@@samuelgibson8280 F these players. These players are AWFUL
lmaoo...right!
Spend 20 million to fire a guy and look even worse as a team. That's where we are as a program right now. At some point we have to stop blaming coaches and their schemes and put some responsibility on the players themselves
I agree. But we are in a society that does not believe in assessing responsibility to a bunch of kids/ young men. The crap always flows uphill at least in the world of athletics. The coaches are in a bad spot. The brass at FSU have made terrible decisions and the coaches will be the ones kicked to the curb but paid handsomely in the process. Some of these kids have played for 3 different coaching staffs and different types of schemes, not to mention all the outside issues of 2020 have posed. I don't have the answer....but it May get worse before it gets better.
Welcome back Corey.....now you see it’s not the coaching it’s all about the talent level, which Fans have been lied to for years.
It’s not Willie’s fault it’s that no one wants to tell the truth about the talent level.
Terry gave up on this game and maybe the season. Should of went Pro.
I would say it is more attitude and that they are used to not winning. Our team has no energy. They look lost and they seem not to care anymore. I would agree that talent (and youth) are the issues for the QB position. The FSU admin and boosters have failed the team at all levels. I am not blaming the coaching. I was a Taggart supporter and I am now a Norvell supporter. The kids are just being kids mentally right now.
Mickey Andrews , can you please come back?
He should have been the Coach after Bowden...
Maaaaan......I’m with you on that one......throw in Kendal briles.....enjoyed his attempt at flashiness
Were we too hard on Briles/Clements/Barnett, et al?
That was an interesting game plan. They were trying to compete without the participation of the O-line or D-line. That’s truly a radical approach.
Hats off guys...FSU has a long ways to go, but the respect will always be there. You guys beat us down for 7 straight years...now you’re on the other side of this rivalry. You guys have to get QB and O-Line figured out and once you do FSU and an ever improving Miami will ascend to the top of college football once again. Good luck the rest of this season.
A reasonable Miami fan, thank you. Good luck to y’all as well, could be making it out of the Coastal. With our win over UNC, the season is not lost yet.
One of the keys to Norvell's success at Memphis was a FAMILY ATTITUDE within the team. Everyone covered each others back. He inherited a great group of players from Fuente when he took over at Memphis. If you function as a TEAM and really care about each other..you can achieve great things...even with a bunch of 2 and 3 star players. It's all about attitude and committment. Right now.....that is not at FSU. Give it time. I am a Memphis alum from Florida and saw Norvell do some great things with less talent that is available to a school in Florida like FSU. He is inheriting problems and it will take time to fix it.
@Ant Davis I am not totally sold on Fuller. He did a great job at Marshall and that is why Norvell hired him last year at Memphis. He spent one year at Memphis and did improve our defense but....it was pretty bad to start with. Memphis won a lot of games based on the offense ....despite poor performances by the defense. Memphis hired former Ole Miss Def Coordinator and Colorado Head Coach Mike MacIntyre to replace Fuller...so we may have improved ourselves on defense. We held Ark State to 24 points and they went on to beat Kansas State their next game 35-31. That is our only game so far this year.
And after you wrote that 2 years ago. That is where FSU is today. a team that is completely different, guya that play as a team, And have that family mentality. Your comment came true my friend. It only took three years but florida state is feeling good with Mike Norvell.
You gotta love all these excuses that Mike Norvell and Co. are receiving. Shocking. 🤣
It won't last, Adam Fuller will get the heat first, then Norvell.
@@noshotnova2432 Norvell is the reason why Fuller is the DC. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Fuller is a horrible defense coach. What the hell was plays was he calling
Research his past credentials.....the truth will set you free. It’s too bad fsu hirees aren’t paying any attention to that or perhaps they pretty much know and don’t give a (fill in the blank)
You don't know much about football! You said Phillips had no impact but he had a sack and int in 1quater! That sounds like a impact to me.
corey stop making excuses!!!!!!!
Coaches got out coached AGAIN call it what it is!!
Out played bra
Can’t keep blaming coaching. These coaches haven’t even had the real chance *to coach* these players. They looked soft, out of shape, and checked out. That ain’t on coaching, sooner or later, it’s on the players.
@@mahall85 bullshit....Mike leach had the same amount of time like coachMike and they knocked off LSU
cause OleMike didn't surround himself with subpar assistant coaches!!!
CoachMike under estimated the ACC
Bs coordinators
This offense can’t get the little play makers we do have the ball!! The scheme is awful on both sides of the ball!!
Terry hasn't been open the last 2 weeks all our production is coming from the freshmen
This the same offense Kendall Briles was running. This style of offense sucks man, we need to line up in a real pro style offense. The plays we running taking to long to develop. That youngster Tate was making some throws and getting rid of the ball.
@@matthewhand6380 Terry is a head case. he got into a heavy heated argument with WR’s coach and former player Ron Dugan’s. they tried their best to hide it but alot of people still saw it. that’s why he didn’t play the rest of the game.
@@MrHADouble and it begins. This thing is probably going to rot from the inside out. Imagine how bad it's going to get too when we win 2 games this whole season. Alot of fans don't realize how bad it's really going to get .
Bobby Bonilla Bobcat %100 correct. And it’s gonna take years to fix
Hopefully this is finally rock bottom. Need to start benching guys with no effort
If we lose yo Jacksonville state next week...That would be rock bottom
@@Supergoat76 they will lose to them.
Clear house we need a pro coach offense and defense coaches are too soft players soft too
@IAmaPersion Disagree jimbo stayed in their faces
I dont know where these coaches come from but u can't play football like that in the south.That play calling was for high schools in the mid west.
You have to have a QB that can execute the offense and FSU does not have it.
They are actually from the South. Norvell is from the Dallas area and played his college ball in Arkansas and has been the head coach at Memphis before coming to FSU. He has nothing to do with the Midwest.
great coaching
3 Front defense is what Golden brought to Miami. Miami fans hated it. FSU fans loved it.
I agree with Corey we can't win with Blackman.
Everything is Blackman fault.. he had a good drive and scored the only TD!! Lmao
Y’all are clown and Norvell can’t do no wrong in y’all eyes! Smh
teemo284 he also threw an int in the redzone on a late slant route.. and almost all his passes ended up on the sideline..he was also in and out switching with Jordan on that first drive..but go ahead as you were saying
@@christhompson3489 all 3 FSU qb's threw int's
Greg he’s an upperclassman with experience making freshman mistakes stop it..you wouldn’t start him on your own squad chill
Give up 52 points and they're annoyed at the QB?
Number 9 looks good
So is Mike Norvell meddling like yall said Tagg was?
What's scary is these are still the Jimbo guys. They haven't really gotten to the Willie recruited guys yet.
yeah, :) :) :)
Lolol...oh jeez don’t say that. For all you know they might be better.
That's not true. The majority of guys on both sides of the ball are Willie guys. Jimbo only accounts for 18.2% of the total roster.
@@doubleboy2388 asante, nasirildeen, the starting d line, two or 3 of the o lineman, Blackman, terry, Wilson, Helton, even more... alot of them are jimbo dudes. That 18 percent or whatever you made up are guys getting most of the playing time. I could care less about the roster. That starting 22 is alot of jimbo.
LMAO. Lashlee is the biggest difference maker, I'm letting you know as a Miami fan. King is 2nd but Lashlee brought that attitude and swag on offense and his system puts playmakers in space
An applause where it’s due of course.....the hurricanes are arising towards the top.....only one thing Miami needs to do before they can announce their return.....you must defeat the tigers of clemson then finally take down an decent SEC school, otherwise, I’d say you aren’t there yet....those are your big measuring sticks which your team must over come
Knight Templar exactly. We have to Beat Clemson and make it into the playoffs. Be a consistent top5 top 10 team longer than a one year run. Then I’ll say we are back.
@@knighttemplar221 I'm not saying Miami is back but at least there seems to be an engine and the car is pointed in the right direction for now
Come on, everyone knew that FSU was going to get slaughtered.
Coach Mike isn’t a Dan Mullen, ST. Nick, Dabbo, Manny D., ect.
Coach Mike isn’t a quick thinker, battle tested, it’s going to take several seasons.
FSU currently has trash players, everyone of the current roster would never make a Bobby B team.
It’s going to take 3 to 5 years to right the FSU ship.
Complete shit show !
He also wasn't in a position to make the decisions.
@@pitbull912808 what a load of cr@p you spew!
A lot of the FSU players need to hit the transfer portal right now !
They need to step down into lower division play.
Miami is a good team, not a great team, the UofM isn’t championship material.
FSU got slaughtered by a good team.
That’s how bad FSU is currently.
Miami will give clemson all they looking for & betting
Kids are staying home sorry for Bama Buckeys Clemson Auburn GA next 4 to 7 years Gators Miami & noles we be atop 🏈
WE NEED A COACH CARTER
We’re now 10-0 after a 3rd straight win over Miami and the #4 recruiting class currently with a heisman trophy candidate QB…the phoenix really did rise from the ashes🍢🍢🍢
I agree 💯
All the top QB recruits and other positions that didn't come to FSU, Did they see something wrong here?
How can we start a defensive three man front knowing we have poor talent at linebackers ??
I’m no football mind but maybe they wanted the weaker group to have an extra man out there?
We suck so much that we get hyped over a pass breakup or a tackle on a gain of yards
In Miami Al Golden was brought in to clean up numerous problems from the Shannon era. He did do that to his credit but was never a top winning coach. It appears that when a school hits bottom like Miami back then and now the Noles it takes some years to weed out the problem players and get players that just want to play football as a team.
Deon is setting things up to be the next coach at fsu
With Norvell's buyout.....not going to happen anytime soon.
This is why u shouldn't hate on a team so bad like FSU does humble pie will always bring you back to reality 🤷♂️
Shit sad but when Taggart was here he was the issue, no one is questioning Norvell.....not surprised
Jimbo destroyed the program.....Taggart worsened it.....Norvell continues it.....if Norvell doesn’t make the changes....Blackmon and company will have him looking for a head coaching job elsewhere.....on a side note....I wasn’t to enthusiastic with this hire.....did you know he is 1-3 in bowl games? That should explain Norvell head coaching abilities
@@knighttemplar221 I agree but I also think Norvell gets his 4 years. This year won't count against him with the pandemic
I think he might due too FSU’s inability to afford his buyout at this point.....financially broke unless he decides to willingly step down...which it could happen if the pressure becomes too great for Norvell....only need to boo louder....that’ll get under his skin...
@@knighttemplar221 hell with no fans he might ride it out back I do think once the older players leave change might happen
Let’s hope you are right on that one, however, this coach certainly isn’t making any effort for correction....this could end up displaying it’s ugly head towards the newer recruits which I noticed the 2021 recruiting class sits at 34th? Not a good sign at this point....hope we can do better than that as the recruiting continues for the year
I said this a few weeks ago none of FSU starters will start on any top four team in the playoffs and that’s where we want to be the impact players are overrated that’s on the team
So its no longer how unorganized the teams coach is...now its horrible players... life is funny
Defense coordinator has one more game where he gives up that many points with two weeks to prepare he needs to go the bad two weeks 52 points when they lay back
I thought it was a bad move to bring him HERE from Memphis. They don't play real defense there.
Roc Jones we need sec coordinators or pro coaches to bring in high quality players you see what LSU did last year great staff
@@andrex4412 I agree, but fsu says they don't have sec/ pro. $$$.
Roc Jones it’s going to be a a rebuilding process hit the transfer porter jucos walk on players start with defense
@@rocjones6543 his defenses were also terrible, he gave up 400 yards rushing in his last game.
As a Miami fan I am elated with the outcome. However I would give anything for this series to be like it used to be when National Championships were on the line. I know those days r long gone for both programs but college football is better off when the Canes & Noles r dominant. Still have much respect for u guys. You’ll be back one day. F the Gayturds!
@Ant Davis I want this rivalry to mean something again. Neither program has been shit for awhile. It just seems like a regular game now.
@Ant Davis when u were beating us I wanted us to be better so the game actually meant something. If u were around during the “Game of the Decade” matchups back in the late 80’s early 90’s u would understand. I’ll take a 52-10 drubbing but beating a glorified HS program doesn’t mean that much except bragging rights & a leg up in recruiting. I want the game to have National title implications.
19 more games
No shot money mike gets fired
Another week and another video SLAMMING Blackman....did you not watch the terrible play by the OLine??? Which has been an issue for like 5 years! The guy literally couldn’t go through his reads and they say he stares down his receivers...he doesn’t have time to look around! Lol! Our talent isn’t there, the culture isn’t there, and the COACHING isn’t there!!! A coaches job is to take the talent you have and make the most of it. Again we made NO adjustments to win. The running game had some good plays but we didn’t go to it enough...lots of misdirection and getting Toafili and Travis involved! And the defensive scheme appears to be let them catch it and then tackle but hell thats giving them 5-6 yards a play! Smh!
Can we really blame the OLINE when toafili had 64 yards on 8 carries..our receivers can’t get separation or run routes..aside from go routes and slants they don’t do anything else..and Blackman has poor mechanics..he’s late on a lot of passes because his delivery is too long
Chris Thompson there is a big deference between run blocking and pass blocking...our OLine has been terrible at pass blocking for a minute. The game starts in the trenches...the run game and short passing attack works because the OLine can hold for that initial push but for the passing plays that need time for routes to develop they can’t give the QB time. I’m not saying that Blackman is a great QB...not even a good one but if he isn’t even given a chance then we can’t blame him!
J. Biv Blackman needs a running game..OLINE gets confidence from said running game..I’m not blaming him for our mishaps..but he certainly ain’t exempt either..i don’t think we’re asking too much of him to take command of the offense..he doesn’t change protections he doesn’t call audibles he doesn’t make checks or hits his check down much..he forces throws into coverage.. and aborts the moment he sees a rusher..he had time to make better throws he just doesn’t move well in the pocket to keep plays alive..deshaun Watson has the same OLINE issues but not the same production..he keeps plays alive
The culture has grown accustomed to losing smh.. we need to recruit some linemen both on o line and defense. We have no run blocking, and we have tun stuffers on d line but those guys too heavy to pass rush. We use to get there with 4 up front
Change the dam defense the three man front is not fsu football this dam defense coornader fuller he is not the guy dam that guy called the same bad playes two weeks ago this is worst than Taggard can these guys coach .
It wil work IF you have a real space eater NT and you must have top DEs which are no present.
WE NEED A QB .. CHBBA PURDY EILL GOVE THEM SOMETHING TO PLAY FOR!!!! GO NOLES
Temorion Terry needs to opt out.
The Miami DBs owned him. They did everything but put a saddle on him and ride him around the field....
😂😂😂😂
One word: REGRESSION!!!
I think you all are being WAY to hard on these guys! Marvin Wilson and company have been so focused on social media campaigns that they just havent had the time to put in to the weight and film rooms! Cmon, people-what do you expect under such oppressive conditions, 100% effort? Geesh!!!
Defense needs to shake up the depth chart
Bruh that boy 15 was making all the plays , what are they talking about the fact that they don’t have there best defensive player is crazy there biggest holes are the CBs and WRs
Took the equalizer out quick lol
Yes Dave Clawson is Leaving WF
Chickens 🐓 coming home to roost
WOW full disclosure I'm a CANES fan...But I have a great deal of respect for FSU...When we lost like this we were ravaged by probation...This I'm seeing in Tallahassee...Damn the players have not lived up to billing..and if you're not going to pay a program builder...the advantage you HAD (Alumni Football Players) is now GONE
Man i hope this is hard rock bottom...i would definitely have the "leaders" (err i will say older kids there are no leaders on this squad) in my office first thing this morning and let them go if that is whats gotta happen.
So funny it was bad coaching last year but not it's bad players this year. Still have the a garbage oL. Went from begging for Blackmon to start to now begging for chubb or rodermaker. Went from Wilson and cooper were the shit to wilson ain't shit...lol Went from crying about a missing a bowl to getting getting the worst beating of the last 25years.
😂😂😂 I love it.
Should’ve let Odell been the coach for this one🤷♂️