Production Rehearsals mixing FOH for an ARENA SHOW!!!
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- How do bands rehearse for big arena shows?! Take a look at how we spent 4 days at a purpose-built rehearsal space getting ready for an Arena show as an audio engineer. With enough space to build the video wall, staging, kabuki drop and pyro we can practice the set multiple times to make sure everything will run smoothly on the show day. We took this production to Alexandra Palace in London to play in front of a 10,000-sold-out crowd and after this, we scaled it down to take it to Europe for 2000-4000 capacity venues.
00:00 // INTRO
00:55 // DAY 1
02:14 // LOAD IN
02:28 // LIGHTING CHECK-IN
02:56 // FOH DESK SET UP
05:40 // MONITOR SET UP
07:31 // DAY 2
08:08 // MICROPHONES ON THE DRUMS
08:30 // SETTING GAIN FOR DRUMS
09:41 // FIRST REHEARSAL
10:28 // DAY 3
11:09 // DRUM MICROPHONE & MONS
12:40 // STAGE
14:18 // DRUM TECH WORLD
15:04 // DAY 4
16:05 // SHOWTIME
17:50 // OUTRO
Thumbnail Photo by @VolcaMedia
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The amount that goes into live shows always blows my mind. If the physical labour wasn't enough, every single person involved have some deep rooted technical knowledge of the role they're playing to make the shows happen. So interesting to watch this.
I‘m still surprised, that so many people don‘t expect us touring techies to be highly trained experts in what we do and are blown away by videos like this. What did you think about us ? We unload trucks full of gear, set it up somehow and trust our luck ?
@@kaislivesoundchannel4706I don’t think they were suggesting any of that. It’s just that a lot of people only see the end result. They don’t see all the work that goes into a show they only see for an hour or so 1 night. I mean, I think it was a compliment.
yea i think he meant it was a compliment@@KGTv123
I agree.
It's not that the perception is that all techs/roadie's/engineers are just uneducated tattoo-laden, alcoholic ex-criminals, but just very impressive the amount of technical knowledge that you pros have for this. I've been studying music engineering on my own for a few years, friends have gone to school for it, and it's incredibly daunting trying to wrap my head around some of this stuff. Not to mention the sheer complexity of the setup, and technology involved. Lots of ways to patch gear, but figuring out the best paths, etc, 😮. A mixer might be a mixer, but every console I see is different and gets better all the time. Personally, I feel I could spend years learning this stuff still. Crazy seeing some young guys just out of school who have a solid grip on this craft. And equally impressive knowing how many people are involved, and basically everyone walking around is a sound engineering pro.
@@kaislivesoundchannel4706 What I absolutely do know, is that nobody enjoys working with you. How have you spun my enjoyment of the process to be so negative? Gross.
The amount of reverb on that snare is diabolical lol. Sounds great!!!
haha more verb. MORE!!!
Love it! Please don’t stop doing this video ♥️
great doc, thanx for sharing.
Love this ❤
Awesome video of the INS and OUT of the Pre Production process that goes into the world of Live Concert Production
Awesome video! Loved every second of it! Thanks!
Awesome! Thank you!🙏
Love the content. All these videos of Pov/behind the scenes are awesome. Everybody should be doing this, I know it's a lot of work to record/edit but the content is so good. Also I purchase those arms you suggested a couple of videos back, love them for my kit. So easy and sturdy.
Cool to see the progression to this point! Looking forward to hearing your mix in Toronto in May!
Can't wait!
Cool stuff, thanks for letting us be a fly on the wall!!
New subscriber here from Germany, and you know what: Awesome video, very informative and educational as well, I really appreciate it! 👍👏🙏
I‘m only a cameraman and video editor for over 19 years now, I only had twice the pleasure to film a band playing a live concert but it was a BLAST! 🤩
Again, thx for the video, and after subscribing we‘ll see us definitely in the next video 👍
Best wishes from Germany 🇩🇪, Philipp 👋
Nice one man! We just did Northlane AUS tour running a very similar setup. Rack sharing for FOH/mons with DM0 out at FOH. Great to see the way you guys approached it!
Ahhh man, I miss production park. The catering was mint! Was there the tail end of last year doing 4 days days of pre prod. Think Mika was there doing some pre prod at the same time. Everyone there was super lovely and accommodating. Have fun on the EU run!
Dude, love your vids, cant lie i'm so Jealous, was an engineer in MCR but been sick these past 4yrs (hoping to get back to the industry soon, miss the job so much), these vids remind me of how much i love the job. Keep em coming.
PS. also super jel of the MaxxBCL (one day)
You are awesome!
thanks 🙏
great work!
Thanks a lot!
That snare is HUGE!!!
Thanksssss 🥁
Surprised you don't have Power B in the spare slot - a reserve power bank cabled off a different power line.
Hey James, thanks for the insights! It's always great to see artwork get done. I would like to ask what of your gear you own yourself and what is rented, maybe you can answer that one for me.
Keep great things coming! Cheers
Hey man nice video as always!👌:)
Are you still running the backing tracks with the utrack24 or do you have a new way to go?
i go to uni here and had a chat with you guys!! this video is so cool too :)
Awesome, it was nice to chat to everyone for a little bit! If we come back again ill be sure to let the staff know that students are welcome in again!
I agree.
It's not that the perception is that all techs/roadie's/engineers are just uneducated tattoo-laden, alcoholic ex-criminals, but just very impressive the amount of technical knowledge that you pros have for this. I've been studying music engineering on my own for a few years, friends have gone to school for it, and it's incredibly daunting trying to wrap my head around some of this stuff. Not to mention the sheer complexity of the setup, and technology involved. Lots of ways to patch gear, but figuring out the best paths, etc, 😮. A mixer might be a mixer, but every console I see is different and gets better all the time. Personally, I feel I could spend years learning this stuff still. Crazy seeing some young guys just out of school who have a solid grip on this craft. And equally impressive knowing how many people are involved, and basically everyone walking around is a sound engineering pro.
like this channel so f much !!!
Thanks! 🙏
Nice video, nice vibes, loads of cool people! I'm just asking myself two questions: 1) how long did it take you to get that fridge into your control desk without causing any ground noise or disturbance issues? 2) Who actually selects the music at the end of the concert to scare the metalheads out of the venue - is it a playlist by the band management or do you just take whatever's on your teenage daughter's tiktok playlist?
Love seeing these videos, I Just bought my first mixing desk (Midas M32R) and was wondering if you have any tips on finding consistent work
Just keep at it! Show that you are a hard worker & make sure you network and talk to everyone at every show you do!
RE: Preserving of ears during a long tour or bunch of shows. Do you put in any hearing protection mid show once you get your level to where it needs to be, or use cans to find adjust and protect your ears? Would be interested to know your take on this, James! Nice one for the content!
Nice Nice Nice!!!
Thanks for the video !
I wanted to know why Lewis need the GigaACE card on his DM slots ? What did he plug on it ? The GX48 ?
GigaACE card is for the FOH console or MONS console to plug into to get the inputs (depends who has master head amp control)
DM64 gigaace card links to the giga ace card on the DM0 so that the both stage boxes can control the I/O of the DM64 and both can receive the inputs
chamsys ftw love this chick alreaddy
This is a great video. You mentioned tracks, how are you running tracks and click?
Also any run MIDI data floating around from playback to video or lights or FOH in general?
The tracks are Ableton live into a play audio 12 and a mio running midi. Midi controlling the guitar patch changes. lights are controlled via timecode
@@RattlinBonesClub You know we love to see our gear out touring around!
I noticed you've been doing OH's under the cymbals for a while. What is the reasoning for this? Is it preference of sound, ease of set up/teardown, or something else? Do you approach them any different from FOH being underneath rather than above?
Just preference on the look and ease of having everything attached, no random stands around.
i probably eq them a little harder with them under as i try to remove the drum shell sounds more
Waouh
👍👍👍
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As a budding FOH engineer who has only just started doing shows with separate FOH and monitors, I LOVE videos. Out of interest, why a digital split and not copper and then network FOH with its own digital stagebox? Obviously you trust the monitor engineer with gain. :)
Is that good old Dave Rave on system?!
You didn‘t have any kind of stool or a chair to sit down sometimes through an entire day of rehearsals?
i pulled up a flight case when needed, i spent abit of time in the office doing TM emails, then when rehearsing the set id be stood at the console
16:38 song name?
11:51 What equipment is this?
allen and heath ip8
its a extra fader bank for the dlive that you can assign any channels and sends to
My first show was in 81 and in all the time iciest been attending shows the sound is always terrible
Excellent work when you think about it
hi, very very interting!!!! for what is your little speaker at the side of mixer?
So I can hear the talk lines from stage, the monitor engineer, all the stage techs and the band have mics that only go to the in ears but I have them routed to a speaker at FOH so I can hear what is happening whilst still hearing the show in the PA
@@RattlinBonesClub wow, nice technique, thank you!!! congratulations for your job!!! I'm waiting for new videos!!
@@RattlinBonesClub: What type of Speaker do you use? Is it loud enough during the Show? What type of holder/ stand do you use to mount it?
where did those line arrays come from! suddenly appeared in day 4 lol
It was the same ground-stacked PA for the 4 rehearsal days, then at the end is the show where we had full line array system in the arena
@@RattlinBonesClub i'd assume you had to tune and soundcheck again with the full hang? wouldn't it sound different for the musicians too?
@@mjvst the rehearsals were in a different building. The Pa in rehearsals were just to reference and get a mix built and in a good starting place, lots of mixing on headphones as well to make sure stuff is sitting together.
Then when we moved into the arena the line array was the Pa in there, the system techs set that up and tune it and then I just tweak bits for my mix.
For which band is it?
While She Sleeps
Them meters on the fusion during showtime = pegged 😕
Nice one! how'd you like the fusion?
I'm really liking it! it adds a nice little something to the mix, the drive and the eq are the must have bits for me!
@@RattlinBonesClub hell yeah! I've been thinking about adding some analogue pieces to my dLive rig... Mixbuss is probably the place to start?
My son actually works Tait , obviously he is on NDAs so I never get to know who is down there
Awesome stuff friend works there as well prior to when tait acquired brilliant stages
Long videos dude. Longer videos
Band sounds very similar to Underoath.
Bro, that’s a gymnasium. Areas have seats.
Alexandra palace is far from a gymnasium lol. The rest of the dates in the uk are at arenas. If you mean production park it's a rehearsal space it doesn't need seats
Don’t see any basketball hoops, not a gym, it’s a production facility.
The main part of the video is in a rehearsal space which is just a big hall, the arena show is at the end which we were rehearsing for.
Out of interest, why do people still use RF explorers, when you have Wireless Workbench etc?
Cruel band and music. Doesn't go any better with mixing in FOH... Just unbelievable noise.... Aaargh...