Trek Fuel EX Vs Remedy Vs Slash
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- čas přidán 11. 03. 2020
- With every bike being so versatile these days it can be hard to narrow in on just one bike and feel confident in your decision that it's the perfect bike for your style of riding. Trek has a very full line-up of bikes and several of the employees here at the bike shop have chosen different bikes for different reasons. This video explains the major differences between the 2020 Trek Fuel EX, the 2019 Trek Remedy, and the 2019 Trek Slash. We also explain the reasons we personally bought each model of bike and what we each thought our bikes were best at. There's a few tuning tips included in here so be sure to pay attention!
Be sure to tell us what we've missed while talking about these bikes, which bike you think is best, or which one you intend to buy in the near future!
That guy on the remedy missed an opportunity to call himself an average joe
Best bike comparison on CZcams! This is because each reviewer was able to say "I bought this bike because", "what I changed is", and "future upgrades might include". Thanks for taking the time to create such a high quality video! I would love to see video(s) by Chris, Lawson, and Joe talking about how they figured out what upgrades to make including what to change and why they selected that particular part. Also, some of their thinking about why they are considering the future upgrades they mention. You have a distinct advantage relative to other reviewers given that you are working in a bike shop and have made the decision to purchase these bikes.Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the words of encouragement! I'm so glad you found the video insightful.
So much fun helping to make this one, all three bikes are tons of fun!
I’ve been riding a Fuel 8 EX for about a
month now and it has handled everything I’ve thrown at it. Very happy.
The new Fuel is a very capable bike! A ton of fun too!
best bike review ive seen so far by a million miles , great video mate . well done defo subscribing
This was the best comparison video on these bikes that I have seen so far! Well done, Joe! Too bad you guys are up there in Rexburg instead of down here in Saint George 😉
Thanks Alex! We appreciate the kind words! St George would be a good place to be :) We love heading down there every spring! Too bad all this COVID-19 stuff is going on right now...
This is the best comparison video I’ve seen yet! Great video👍
Trax20_24 bob thanks for the view, the comment, and the encouragement!
I watched the video until the end. Great video! Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the view!
Great review! I’ve ridden and reviewed all three and own a 2018 Fuel EX 9.8. I believe the Fuel is the absolute best try anything mountain bike. I bumped the fork to 150mm, added volume reducers to the so-so shock, popped on an oval chain ring, and swapped the dropper to the Reverb. I now descend faster on this than my 27.5 Kona Process 153 enduro bike. The 2021 looks sick👊🏻👍🏻
Would you recommend Slash or Fuel EX for someone coming from a hardtail cx mtb?
Just came across your channel as your video came as suggested in my feed (probably as I just released an edit on the Trek Fuel Ex)
Really good video and really good content. I really like what you are trying to do and it is awesome that your video is getting so much traction so early on in your channel’s life! Congratulations on the great hard work.
Interesting to see the differences, particularly as I have previously owned a Remedy 7 and now a Fuel Ex6.
All the best for what is to come!
Awesome video exactly the information I wanted
Awesome! Thanks so much for the view and the comment!
Couldnt like more this video. Congratulations! I have been undecided for a while on which Trek trail bike should buy after been riding only XC. It seems the Fuel EX would be a great starting bike
I'm so glad you found this helpful! Thanks for viewing!
Love 27.5 x 2.6 150/160 bikes. That’s why I ride a Bronson!! I’ve demoed all three of these. Remedy is an awesome machine too. Others are too, but imo Fuel EX isn’t as much fun and Slash is just too much unless you are just hitting bike parks and racing enduro. Great vid guys. Three great bikes- just depends on what you ride and how you ride.
I ran my 2020 Remedy 8 mullet for a while, it was fantastic going down but even at 150mm the 64 HA made it climb craptastic on tech climbs. I've bumped that bike up to 170/160 and its a beast!
Good to know that's a good combo!
Thanks for the sweet as comparison!
And for the upgrades that are relatively cheep!
No problem! Thanks for watching!
Just brought a second hand 2017 slash 9.8. Fantastic rig. New parts including wheels and the DVO Jade X I added to the rear end. First foray into both coil and 29er.
Sounds fun! The Slash is a great bike to introduce yourself to those things with :) Thanks for the view and enjoy your summer!
Jo guys i have never seen you before and you dont do too much Videos but you make them damn good go on like that i like it
Haha appreciate it Whip to Flip! We'll try to find more time between fixing and riding bikes to get a few more videos posted up!
Have a trek x caliber 4. Best bike I've ever owned and never saw a need for more until actually trail riding with it and realizing the forks could be so much better and hardtails bounce alot and loose traction. Learned what it could and couldn't do and have tons of fun! Now of course getting into it more I'd love to get a fuel ex and maybe someday will upgrade from an expensive to me 500 dollar bike to a expensive to me 4k bike. Had the trek since 2015 though and obviously do better money wise now so it might be coming close to time to upgrade.
Great vid lads
Great comparison video guys!! You should also talk about prices
Yeah I know what you mean! But since everyone's at different budgets and desired level of modification that we tried more to focus on the platform as a design rather than compare value. Good idea for another video though! Thanks for the view!
Such a great video, once your guys production level steps up you could be some Tier 1 media!
I appreciate it! Thanks for the words of encouragement!
I looked at a new Fuel EX 8 today. Nice bike !!
The 8 is a rad build! I love aluminum for its durability and the 8 is specc'ed with high value parts. Burly enough to stand up to abuse but cheap enough to replace easily when needed.
I recently bought the 2021 Trek Fuel EX 9.7. I made it all GX (moving from the NX to GX shifter is the most cost-efficient change - has to be done) and made it 108 PoE (very different feel). Also changed to Hope Tech 4 E4 brakes - much better modulation than the on/off feel of the stock Shimano 401. Changed to Race Face carbon bars after reading lots reviews on alloy vs. carbon bars. I spent many hours reading and set up the suspension according to makers recommendation - this made a noticeable difference.
Sounds like you've got a sick build now! Yew!
Cracking comparison vid. Very well put together.
What size bikes do u ride + what height are u?
Thanks + keep up the great work
I am 5'10" and ~170 lbs and have always ridden size Large (19.5") Trek mountain bikes. I'm kind of on the short end of the size spectrum for the large but I prefer a longer reach for more high speed stability. Hopefully that helps!
@@sledshed thanks man 👍
I had a Remedy 26 that was really fun for trail but got stuck too easily in steeper/faster stuff. Changed to Slash which doesn't. But now I miss good climbing ability. But I'm starting to think that perhaps the 26" wheels were the bigger problem with my Remedy.
Nice video,Trek Top Fuel now has 120/115mm.Also a very good do it al bike. Climbing fast and fun downhill.
Too true! The newest version of the Top Fuel came out after this video was uploaded but in it's newest iteration it's become a very viable trail/downcountry option that could easily have been compared with this group of "do it all" mountain bikes from Trek!
Love this review. I am considering keeping my 14 slash and giving it a drivetrain upgrade. Upgrading has me confused the newest fuel looks very amazing like a big bike that can climb. I already have a slash should I go slash again or will the new one be too big for my liking. Then will remedy be in the middle sweet spot for me. 🤷♂️
What a nice Trek mtb. And I'm a trek lover!.
Got the Slash 9.8 same model 2019.
Runs away down hill. I was amazed when I first got on it - let off the brakes and whoosh - away she goes.
Changed out the grips and seat for Ergons, put a MegNeg can on the rear shock as it was stiff off the top of it's stroke. Big improvement and much better traction less fatiguing on rough chatery stuff whilst very supportive in mid stroke..
Seat slammed forward although still the front gets lofty on steep climbs and you have to lean forward to the stem to weight the front end. Thinking of throwing a 150mm air spring in the fork, benefits I see would be to steepen the seat angle and I could run it in high setting without the BB height feeling too up there. As it is, it feels more stable in the front end climbing with the geo in the low setting.
Other than that - it's just working out which tyres to run with it. SE4's at the moment in 2.4 but have tried a XR5 2.6 up front and a SE4 2.6 rear (which I liked for traction but not so the rotation mass). Might try a SE3 up back with the SE4 front.
Fun bike especially of large lips and table tops ))
Love it! Yeah it's a rad bike. The biggest complaint has to be the seat-tube for sure. I fully expect that Trek will have a new Slash this fall! I bet it's going to be a doozy.
Nice comparision! I enjoy a lot! Good work guys! I wonder what fork of 150mm mount in the blue Fuel EX?
It's the same Fox 36 Performance with the Grip damper that comes on the bike, it just has a longer air spring assembly installed to allow the lowers to travel that extra 10mm of travel.
Thanks a lot @@sledshed! I imagine that the geometry don't change too much and keep on be able to climb efficiently.
Got me the fuel ex 5 freaking love it
😂👏The guy with the fuel ex was like this bike is PERFECT and I like the upgrades this year a lot except.....this, this, this, this, this upgraded that, then I did this, but overall, it’s a great bike and wouldn’t change anything except the entire bike except the frame. 😂😂👏✌️
😂😂😂
Would've been way cheaper to do that to the EX 5... assuming he would be ok with the aluminum frame.
@@agrsk8r I own a Fuel ex 5. I agree 100%
@@paulchamoun6451 Nice! I'm saving up for the EX 5. Hopefully I'll have enough when they're back in stock in November.
I had a stroke trying to read this
I just got the fuel ex. It's fast , it's really fun to ride, and goes over anything. First thing I noticed is how light it is too! Wish I got it with the fox fork though. Next stimulus package maybe..
Don't write off the Rockshox suspension too soon! At the high end of the spectrum I will argue (my opinion of course) that RS is even better than Fox. Take a look around and there's a lot of reviewers out there who choose Rockshox Ultimate over Fox Factory level suspension time and again. An easy way to upgrade what you have would be to just swap out the damper. Costs much less than an entire fork and will give you nearly all of the same performance increase :)
@@sledshed i really been loving it. Going riding different places, getting lost, hitting the lock outs and riding the road home. Been putting hours on it
@@ryanlynch2259 that's awesome! Playing bikes is a good time, every time haha
I was itching to upgrade from my 2016 Superfly 5, I was looking at the 9 series but due to COVID it was going to be 6+ months before I could get a carbon bike. I went for the 2021 Fuel EX 8 XT, will be here in 2 weeks very excited. There are so many bikes its confusing but all I ride is trails in the woods and they say the Fuel is the best bike for that.
You can't go wrong with a Fuel EX! If there's a swiss army knife of a bike it's the Fuel EX. And this current iteration of the FEX is a ton of fun to ride! Congrats on the new bike! (soon)
@@sledshed Since I ride the Superfly 5 with flat pedals I am starting with that but the only upgrade I have planned is to go clipless. I have had a couple of nasty crashes in the woods so clipless makes me nervous but I know it would give me more power and control.
@@nothingelse1520 Should be pretty good to go right out of the box! It's always fun to tinker and swap stuff out but definitely not necessary. Outside of the direct comparisons between frame platforms the other thing we were attempting to highlight with this video is that by making a few changes here and there its very possible to eek out extra performance to suit your personal riding style and your local terrain. But yeah, not necessary per se. I'm sure going clipless you'll be able to add some efficiency to your rides. I also like clipless to help keep my feet in place through rough terrain. But I often swap between flats and clipless depending on the day, the terrain, and my goals for the ride.
i love trek bikes..my bike now trek roscoe 7 2018
Owned 2 out of 3 of these bikes and rode the latest fuel ex 9.8 for a weekend as well, they are so different to ride that its ridiculous, I started out on a remedy 8 and now own a slash 9.7, very cool bikes but totally agree with remedy being a big bmx and slash being ridiculously fast and stable, the fuel climbed amazingly and would be my choice for all day trail xc rides but compromised on the downs a lot, remedy is the hardest work to ride for me with the smaller wheels getting hung up on small chatter more and the front tucking/folding over sometimes in corners, slash just carves and super forgiving.
I'm glad you came to similar conclusions! All of them fun and all of them awesome in their own way. Knowing where they make compromises and being able to match that to your own riding is key to owning the right bike :)
Great video! I was riding the Fuel and replaced it with a Slash mainly for Park Riding. I tend to ride my XC bike more now that I don't have the Fuel....It was a better bike for most riding, but the Slash eats up chunk way better
Both bikes sound great! All the mods on the Fuel make it almost a slash LOL
How does the Slash handle uphill sections?
Is the seat angle uncomfortable?
And how does the fuel handle rough sections?
I am considering to buy a Slash but I would only use it for enduro rides and no bikeparks, since I have a freeride bike.
Thanks in advance!
@@florianw.560 It pedals fine, but I have struggled getting the seat angle correct. Every time I adjust it, it returns right back to the way the shop set it up. I thought the Fuel did a great job on rough sections until I rode the Slash. I was starting to ride Telonics (Laguna Canyon) on the Fuel, but I had to pick my lines carefully and was never successful. It worked great on Miracle Mile at Snow Summit, but I think 10-ply is too much for it. The geometry on the Slash really boosts confidence on the steep sections and it eats up chunk.
Is it a big step up to go from the Fuel to the Slash? I don't think I would be making so many changes to my bike if I had the Fuel.
I'm currently looking at a slash moving from a fuel as well, does the slash climb almost as well as the fuel or is it noticeably worse on the techy uphills?
@Sled Shet: Did you guys try the Mullet Setup on the Remedy? Sounds interesting!
Unfortunately no we have not. Definitely worth tinkering to try it out though!
Seems like I need a remedy since I ride a lot of local trails but also like to hit the mountain bike parks as well
Can't go wrong with the Remedy! It's a great trail bike and a great bike park bike! Casey Brown just put hers through it's paces at Crankworx and it didn't seem to skip a beat!
Just need some better lighting and mics, content seems good.
I'd still include a 15sec action clip every 2 mins though
Thanks for the feedback! Yeah we're definitely amateur here. Just getting the channel going. We'll have more equipment here soon. A lot of the footage riding the bikes was stuff that we just had on accident. Hopefully we get to where we end up with stuff we got for the purpose of making a specific video. Thanks for watching!
I hired a fuel ex 8 for 2 days last weekend. Absolutely fantastic bike, so much fun. I felt the front fork was a little unrefined compared to the rear suspension imo but as a complete package it's so playful & agile while still feeling stable at speed + in the air.
Just need to wait for them to get the remedy back in stock so I can give that a try
Do you think it would be better going for a 9.8 with the fox 36 fork. Would that make it more refined?
@@mellord83 I've never ridden a bike with a fox 36 but from what I've read. It's a much better fork. If you can afford the 9.8 & like carbon frames, go.for it
@@mellord83 also keep in mind it's just opinion of the fork. It's always best to test the bikes for yourself if you can
@@ab_mtb yeh im tossing up between the ex8 or the 9.8. Im sure the ex8 would be an awesome bike but I wonder if its worth waiting for a few months and see what the carbon models look like. The lithium grey and factory orange looks pretty sick from the photos on the trek site but all the colour options for the 9.8 look great. Had a look at a few ex8s in my local dealer and they look pretty good too. The dark aquatic/ trek black ex8 looks pretty impressive.
Best comparison video but i still need an answer to which one i should buy.
Daniel Tello haha I wish we could tell you! But the truth is they’re all awesome in their own way. Ideally you want to buy the one that suits your riding style, the terrain you ride most often, what your personal goals are in what you get out of riding, etc. Perhaps tell me a little more about how and what you ride and I’ll see if I can make any recommendations :)
Exactly! They sold out with ‘test ride, only you know which bike... etc’
Tell us which one is best - that’s why we’re watching a CZcams review channel...
How does this only have 58 views
Kevin Djordjevic thanks for checking out the video! This is a really new channel and we’re excited to keep making more content. Thanks again for your view and comment! Every little bit helps!
Interesting. Fuel driver added extra fork travel. So did the Remedy driver. Meaning all three actually wanted a Slash? I just bought a 2020 Slash 9.7 today on autumn sale. Can't wait to ride it!
An interesting observation, although not entirely accurate. Even with extra travel on the Fuel and Remedy platform they are still quite different bikes from the Slash. One thing I hope people take away from this video is that it can be quite fun to experiment and adjust different components and aspects of any respective bike. Scheming and coming up with different ways to make a bike work better for you can be a ton of fun!
@@sledshed totally agree. I have converted my Farley EX fatbike to a 29x2.6 with std boost 140 mm fork. So fun. Now 3 wheel sets for the same bike. 26fat 27.5fat and 29.
@@mattiasbacklund5617 Haha that sounds awesome. Good on ya for thinking outside of the box!
What was the upgrade to the fuel hub for $30 curious to see what I can do to my 2019 fuel ex7
So the Pawl Springs for the upgrade are Trek Part #552415 and the Pawls themselves are Trek Part #552414. I just tried to look up the OE part number for your wheel and Trek's Tech site doesn't have it listed, only a substitute. I'd have to look at your hub to be sure, but it's likely that you can do it. I'd recommend taking it in to your local Trek dealer if you can.
Made me wonder if I should exchange my Slash to Remedy. Might be more of a fun bike in smaller trails.
The Remedy is a surprisingly good bike! Having owned it I can honestly say I thought it was awesome for pretty darn near everything. The two situations in which I felt perhaps it was not the best bike for the moment was on flatter/slower terrain where I know bigger wheels carry more speed, and in extremely loose rock gardens with rock sizes in the baby head and larger range because I felt 29" wheels likely would have felt more stable. Those are pretty specific instances though, and if I lost speed it was marginal at best.
I have a remedy 8 and I love it.. such playfull bike, I ride local Trails, dirt jumps backyard, an also Enduros. Do you guys recommend changes to 170mm travel front suspensión? Geometry is comfortable?
Hey Mario! Thanks for the view and the comment. I really enjoyed my Remedy with the increased travel on the front fork! It was an awesome bike the way it came with 160mm as well. Personally I bumped it up because I knew I was heading to an enduro race with a lot of really steep terrain with lots of drops and the increased travel, taller stack height, and slacker head angle boosted my confidence. I would say that if you're happy with the way the bike handles then there's no need to worry about it, but if you've got an event coming up, or you're just looking to squeeze out some extra downhill performance, then I'd definitely recommend giving it a try. I didn't feel like there were any cons, only pros :)
Thanks for the advice.... I'm planning race few Enduros so I will hit the 170mm, do you recomend high or low position on minolink??
@@mariopazmino160 for an enduro race I would definitely recommend the low position! The high position puts you in a better climbing position, but you're not timed on the uphill portions in an enduro race, so the low position drops the bottom bracket just a tad, lowering your center of gravity ever so slightly, and that helps you turn better going downhill. Cheers!
Would like to change my rear hub to 108 engagement. Could you please send me the link that tells me how to do that alone with the part number of the part that I will need. Thanks.
So the Pawl Springs for the upgrade are Trek Part #552415 and the Pawls themselves are Trek Part #552414. For details on how to do the upgrade yourself I would just search CZcams and I'm sure there's some great videos. Search "Bontrager Rapid Drive Hub Upgrade 108" and I'm sure you'll find something!
What's the biggest difference between the 29" and the 27.5" model? I don't know why but i want to buy a 29" Bike. So I have to decide which is the better one for me... So, if I'm about to ride enduro and in the flat for longer distance... which one is the better option: Fuel or Slash?
Greetings from Europe, Austria :)
Generally speaking 29" wheels will be faster and carry speed better, 27.5" wheels will be more playful, agile, and "fun". This is a very general statement and lots and lots of exceptions exist.
My personal opinion is that there are a lot of other variables that are more important than just wheels size; like good geometry, balance, suspension (and suspension tuning), and how the whole kit comes together as a summation of parts/geo/suspension design/etc if that makes sense. I thought I was a hardcore convert to 29" and then was blown away at how awesome the Remedy was. That said I'm not fully converted to only 27.5" wheels now either. The whole package has to come together.
For you specifically you're saying you want to ride enduro but also flat terrain for longer distance then I would recommend a 29" bike. I would look really hard at how aggressive you intend to be and how big the features are going to be that you'll be riding. If the drops are less than your own height and the jumps are ~2-4 bike lengths and tabled out and the terrain is at least moderately buff or smooth than you'd do just fine on the Fuel if you get the suspension tuned correctly (sufficient support and progressivity). It really is a rowdy bike in its current design. If you're going to be going bigger than that then you likely want to get a Slash and endure the drawback of less efficiency over the flat stuff. If you run the Slash in the higher Mino-Link position and make full use of the switch on the rear shock then it really isn't too bad on flat or rolling terrain but can still more than ready for extra rowdy terrain/features.
Hopefully that helps!
great comparison.... for me trek remedy is the best do it all AM/Enduro bike its balance and aggressive at the same time, remedy is a legend from trek since 2006 when "enduro" is not really popular or a thing but mtbikes like remedy is already desinged to go full enduro.
Can never go wrong with a Remedy! It really does do it all! And it's a party to ride while doing it!
Remedy for me. Perfect mix between trail and enduro. Fun and more than capable for all thrown at it
I definitely agree! :)
Would have been much better to have each rider ride the other bikes, then give more of a comparison feedback, rather then just saying what you like about your own bike. FTR I have a ‘20 Remedy and it’s sick, but I’m also interested in a slash and I like to see a back to back review
That's a good idea! Next vid maybe. For this one we stuck to talking about the bike we'd spent a significant enough time on to speak to it's handling and mannerisms over a long time in a lot of different terrain and situations.
@Sled Shed What do you think would be the best option for the following case:
50/50 xc/bike park(blue to red) and may change to 30(xc)/70(bike parks or trails) in next year's. A bit tired of renting bikes every time and ready to buy my own.
I’m thinking about Fuel ex/Remedy/Stumpjumper but have no way to try them =( What would you recommend?
Thanks for the view and for the inquiry!
If it was me, and I was riding an even mix of XC and Bike Park I'd probably say go with the Fuel EX.
If you're pretty certain that you're going to start doing a lot more bike park and you're more concerned with playfulness I'd go Remedy, or if you're going to start doing a lot more bike park and you're more concerned with going fast I'd go with a Slash.
That's not to say that a Remedy can't go fast, or that a Slash can't be playful, as frustratingly vague as that is to say, but they have slightly different riding characteristics that lend themselves well to one goal or the other.
Thank you for the detailed explanation!
Stay safe 😀
Do you have any opinion about stump jumper/stumpjumper evo?
@@rnovoselsky I've never ridden one myself. I will say that at least on paper if I was in the market for a Stumpy that I would most likely lean towards the Evo for my own riding style/preference. I'm more concerned with how fun the bike is on the way down than how efficiently it climbs.
Thank you for your opinion!
Now I have only Remedy and Evo in my shortlist... Tough choice =)
Big thanks man👍
Hi i am thinking about Remedy 8 2021 but can’t decide if go for GX version or XT. What would you get.
The beautiful thing about this question is that there is no wrong answer haha. I've been running GX Eagle for years now with literally zero complaints. Always reliable, cheap to replace, and requires minimal maintenance. The only component I usually upgrade on a GX build is the cassette, since going to XO1 there saves nearly half a pound.
I haven't owned an XT 1x12 setup yet but if the quick parking lot test rides I've had combined with what I've read online or seen on CZcams then it's also a super solid and reliable drivetrain. I loved my XT M8000 1x11 setup that I had back in 2017. The new version can only be better.
That answer might only make things confusing. Sorry about that! If it was me and I had to choose then I'd go with whichever one was more available. If they're both equally available... I'd probably go XT only because it's new to me and I want to try it out.
Sled Shed Thank you
What is the mino link setting for the Fuel Ex after the 150 mm fork upgrade?
Definitely in the low setting so as to keep the bb height somewhat manageable.
@@SledShedID awesome! Doing the same thing to my EX 8. Thanks for the reply!
@@ZRMTB Yeah no worries! You're gonna love it!
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Thanks so much!
Hey. Great Video.
How tall r u and what size is the remedy frame?
I'm 5'10" and I ride the size Large Remedy.
@@sledshed so u picked a "taler" frame for your size?
@@NK-mi2yn at my height I'm right in-between the M/L or the L and yeah I went with the taller/longer option. Even as a Large it's still only a 455mm reach bike, which is fairly short for a L by modern bike standards, so it's kind of the perfect bike to size up on. I've always preferred a more stretched out feel ever since I got into mtn biking back in 2008 and have been sizing up since then.
@@sledshed ah OK. I tested M/L and L today. M/L felt a bit better. Maybe because I've got a bmx background. Im a bit scared, a shorter frame could be less stable downhill. I think I could ride both sizes, but I'm really not sure jet😕
@@sledshed I'm 5, 9 by the way, and sorry for my English 😅
On the fuel ex they should put a 150 fork on it and a normal shock like a super deluxe or a dpx2
Not a bad idea! Would definitely make the Fuel a pretty potent ride! I don't know if you saw Cam McCaul's build recently but it's more or less following that train of thought. He went with an X2 rear shock and then stuck with the 140mm fork but used a spacer below the headset to de-activate the knockblock for bar spins :) Pretty rad!
You can take the top out spacer from the fork to make it 150mm. EDIT: only for the fuel ex 7 with rockshox fork.
Darn... I’d love to use the Slash for downhill technical trails and jumps, but I think the Too Fuel will do just as well and climb a lot easier.
The Slash is a rad bike! Especially the newly redesigned version that came out after we created this bike comparison. The new Slash climbs even better than the last version, and the new updates to the geo are spot on!
I think it still doesn't change the fact though that the Fuel EX makes the most sense for the vast majority of riders out there. This most recent version of the Fuel is the rowdiest Fuel yet, and it feels very at home in the air, slashing berms, and plowing through some chunk. It's a bonus that it's also very fast on the flatter and flowy sections of trail. It's been interesting to see people over-forking them by adding 1cm of travel and then running a 27.5" wheel in the back to turn it into a slopestyle/trail bike.
@@sledshed Which would you prefer for A-Line?
@@TheNuclearBolton The Slash is pretty much ready to ride A-Line the way it sits right off the showroom floor. The amount of travel and slacker geo definitely make it the better choice between the two.
The Fuel EX could definitely handle jumps that size if it was altered and built out for bike parks. You might would want to do upgrades like perhaps a more robust rear shock (or be ready to replace it if it goes out), making sure your fork had the appropriate number of tokens, psi, maybe even upping the travel to 150mm, etc., and depending on which model you went with you might want beefier brakes on a Fuel for park lap after park lap.
Can I upgrade the rear shock to 150 or 140?
Hey Luke. I need a little more context to understand what you are asking. Which bike are you referring to?
Would the 2020\1 PIVOT SWITCHBLADE beat these bikes in every aspect? Climbing, sprinting, descending, tight turns, NOT destroyer of pedals and cranks, flat surfaces, rocks,... just a better all around one bike for most trails?
There's no doubt that the Pivot Switchblade is a sick bike. But there are too many differences between it and these three bikes to say any single one of them is definitively better in every way. Judging solely by the geo chart, which definitely doesn't tell the whole story, I would hypothesize that the Remedy or the Slash will be stronger and more stable descenders than the Switchblade. The most similarities on the geo chart exist between the Fuel EX and the Switchblade, yet suspension travel places the Switchblade closer to the 2020 Remedy or 2019 Slash. Likely the capabilities and intent of the Switchblade puts it somewhere in-between the Fuel EX and the Remedy. If that intent more closely matches your own style of riding then I would agree that that makes it a better fit for you. But to suggest that it's better at all those things written above than any or all of these three Treks... I'm skeptical.
Sled Shed I just rode the pivot switchblade. I was disappointed it wasn’t quick and responsive as I was hoping. I did demo a yeti SB 115 and that is more in the realm of what I’m looking for now.
I am open to suggestions for a MIDATLANTIC area bike. Pivot trail 429?
@@mtnbikerva1 If you can get your hands on the new Transition Spur I think that might be right up your alley. Their distribution isn't real widely spread though, and they are already sold out for the season though so that might be tough. If you have access to a Trek dealer locally you might also check out the Trek Top Fuel. We didn't compare the Top Fuel in this video but it's much closer in category to a Yeti SB 115 and the Spur. The Top Fuel used to just be an XC race bike, but it's most recent revision makes it a lot more of a sporty/racy trail bike
@@sledshed thank you for your thoughtful reply. I am trying to get my hands on a TopFuel.
@@mtnbikerva1 cheers! Thanks for checking out our video!
3 cool bikes that i'm not able to afford! I'm still happy with my trek marlin 7
Marlin 7's about equal with where I started and not a bad spot to be! Took me a few years before I was ready to drop the kind of coin needed for a high-spec bike. I will say, the nicer the bike the more fun mtn biking becomes! You'll get there!
Can you say the new 2022 Roscoe is the hardtail version of the Fuel EX?
I would say that's mostly an accurate statement. I think they're designed with almost the exact same customer in mind and for the same intended terrain/riding style, with the difference being that Roscoe customers are either more budget oriented, or they have a decided preference for hardtails.
@@sledshed… or in my case the want to train more skills and a hardtail is less forgiving. For example if you land not properly. An another reason is the less maintenance in muddy conditions in autumn and winter. Maybe an Enduro bike for the Bikeparks in summer.
@@s.neuhaus1512 totally. That would fall under the category of what I was suggesting when I said " they have a decided preference for hardtails" :) I get it! Plenty of folks who feel that way.
Remedy wins for me
3:22 "things that I would change in the future" -smoothly slides off and on his wedding ring.
Haha too funny! We're dying!
Sled Shed Yeeah, I recommend a carbon gripper or something. That can be dangerous! Just trying to help out a man.
Would the Santa Cruz 5010 or remedy 8 be better
Hey Modern! That's a good question. Both bikes are built for goofing off but each brand is approaching that goal in a little different way. The 5010 has geo numbers (especially the reach) that would be considered more progressive or modern, so if you think you want a roomy cockpit then I'd go with the SC. The amount of travel is obviously different though so if you think the terrain you're going to ride is rougher/rockier/steeper etc then I'd probably recommend going with the Remedy. If you're between sizes on the Trek I'd recommend sizing up just to get that longer reach that's more in line with what you'll find from SC. Hopefully that helps?
Sled Shed ya I went to big bear bike snow summit and I got to ride the remedy after that I did some research and I came to these bikes and I thought these bikes would be good because I ride bmx and motor cross but they are basically the same thing?
Sled Shed oh and I also heard a mega tower was good to how does that compare?
@@modern8631 MegaTower probably compares closest to the Trek Slash. The current iteration of the Slash as shown in this video is definitely outdated compared to the MegaTower, but watch for an announcement from Trek about the new Slash on September 3rd ;D
How would you compare the remedy and fuel on the climbs,much difference?i demoed a fuel yesterday and thought it climbed great but didn’t feel as confident on the decent as my 27.5 maybe just need to get used to the feel of 29er but any info would be appreciated
Both bikes climb really well! If it was a long steady climb where efficiency matters most, like up a fire road, I would give the edge to the Fuel. If the climb was tight and technical with a lot of sharp turns I would give the edge to the Remedy. The smaller wheels and shorter reach help it maneuver really well. However if the supposed climb is full of ledgy stuff that you have to get up and over I would give the edge to the Fuel with the larger wheels.
As for descending both bikes are very capable, and again it might depend on the type of descent. If it's something fast and flowy but relatively smooth then the Fuel would be my choice. If it's kind of burlier stuff that's eating up a lot of travel then the Remedy gets the nod IMO. As mentioned in the video Chris bumped the fork travel on his Fuel EX to 150mm and he said that made a really big difference on descending capability, that is a relatively easy and inexpensive change to make (usually requires a roughly $35 part + labor equivalent to a fork lower rebuild)
Hopefully that helps!
Sled Shed yes it does help thankyou!
Get a 27.5 fuel like I did. Does both great
Tarik Moore never seen one I don’t think they do them anymore do they?
@@lee.j7077 The only way to get a new 27.5 Fuel Ex these days is to buy it in a Small or X-Small.
Do you guys ever ride each others bikes? It would be interesting to hear what you like/dislike when riding the other bikes.
At the time of filming I was on the Remedy, but I later owned the Fuel EX so I have a lot of experience with both. Both are awesome bikes in their own right but as we attempt to highlight in the video they're just awesome in different ways. The other point which we kind of talk about but don't entirely point out is that there are all kinds of modifications and adjustments that can be made to make any bike more brutish or more lively, so even if you want one trait to become more dominant than another you don't have to get a new bike, oftentimes there's plenty of options to get what you want with the bike you're already on. That said I still think sometimes there are times when having the actual right tool for the job is the best way to go. I've got a Slash on order currently so pretty soon I'll be able to speak on all 3 platforms lol.
I dont think you can go go wrong with any of em!
No doubt! All of them are super solid choices. That's more or less the point of the video is to show that they're all awesome, they just work better for different people in different terrain or riding situations. Thanks for the view and the comment!
Ironic video cause they have archived two of these.
remedy for me
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These are the bikes we bought and what we changed! Does that mean the original set up was pants? Not a great review as these bikes in their changed form are not what you buy from the shop 🤨. As a "what would I change on these bikes to make them better" - excellent.
Thanks for the reply! I guess it depends on your perspective. The bikes were sweet the way they came, and probably perfect for most people. But as bike shop employees all of us are constantly stewing on how to make our bikes better. We're very familiar with what's out there for aftermarket parts, and inevitably we end up feeling less hung up on the specific model numbers/levels. After you swap enough things you're more concerned about the platform or frame design itself and how capable it is regardless of the parts that are hanging off of it. And that's really what this video was meant to be is a comparison of the bikes as a whole rather than specific OEM model levels. Thanks for watching!
Fuel Ex all the way
"they preety much nailed it" besides the fact that i changed pretty much everything ^^
the last guy is ur average joe
Remedy is now 150/160 and Slash is 170/180
Correct on the Remedy (which hasn't been updated since our review), but the new 2021 Slash is 160/170.
I had that remedy 9.8 , I’m 5 10 with a big upper body, had the large and found it incredibly short in the reach to the point where it was uncomfortable, and putting a longer stem on it would defeat the purpose of this type of bike . Had to sell it, Shame but it might have been a good bike otherwise.
Exact same story with me except im 6ft. I talked to bike experts before selling & they said the longer handlebars (800m) was meant to make up for the shorter reach. I didn't find that the case. I'm considering getting the 2021 remedy in XL though, it has much longer reach & I think it was the size I should have gotten in the first place.
@@quinnsecker8992 I ended up with a different bike , have a nukeproof mega . If I was to get another trek I would get the slash ahead of the remedy
@@camwells9726 I ended up getting a Reign 0. Perfect bike for me
They all look like a session
Most definitely!
Who's gonna downvote this... tell me why. No seriously
We're glad you feel that way! We hoped that it would be helpful information for those out there in internet land :)
Take the dork discs off
Umm... none of these bikes have dork discs... You might be confusing the large sprocket on the XO1 cassette with a dork disc since it's gray and the rest of the sprockets are black?
Trek sucks in general!!! Pay 2k more then a mid level Santa Cruz or transition... get half the bike and have more issues
There's a lot of good bikes out there, including these offerings from Trek. I've never seen someone claim that Transition or Santa Cruz are high value brands. Usually those brands are right up there with Yeti for being considered dentist-only offerings. Dollar for dollar only direct to consumer brands are going to beat a Trek's value, but then you miss out on having a worldwide dealer network offering support very closely to literally any bike destination you can dream of. Pros and cons with every option. Thanks for the comment and the view!
Sled Shed my transition has nothing but chrisking and race face on it... yes Big Bang for you dollar
Sled Shed last time I checked, only thing Trek has going for it is Gary Fisher
@@mrexon that's like your opinion, man. I'm not disagreeing that SC and Transition make sick bikes, we're also dealers for Transition and my next bike might be the new Sentinel, but to claim that Trek sucks as a blanket statement only suggests you're close minded.
Sled Shed transition didn’t make sick bikes, they make tanks! Watch any number of bike break videos, there will be no transitions bikes ever unless you bolder biff a carbon frame... Santa Cruz is just bad ass because they give you the highest race win Pedegree with their bikes(I too don’t like the cost value on them, but in my mind they are the the super bikes with the long history never stepping down to boobooass cheap builds)
Trek is so close to going Gt and being sold at sporting good stores and Walmart then most even begin to understand! All they have is Gary fisher as advisor now to keep the steam going. Don’t get me wrong I do own some bikes including the brands alongside the market of trek... I have a giant, I also have a 2019 canandale, as well as a fkn pivot... ask me what I ride every chance I can, it’s the transition no question mark... because it does what it does and I know it won’t break
Want to upgrade my brakes on my 2019 Fuel Ex 8 any recommendations?
I am a huuuuge fan of the SRAM Code RSC brakes. All the power anyone could ever need, loads of modulation and control, and the number of riding hours between bleeds is very high so maintenance is super minimal. In my view they're the perfect brakes for anything with two wheels from a trail bike to a downhill bike.
@@sledshed Thanks for the feedback,will look into it,will these work for ebike (MTB) as well?
@@Chad-xg8qx most definitely. The Guide RE (e-bike specific version of the guide) is just a Guide lever paired with a Code caliper. So the Code builds on Guide RE by adding more fluid (Code lever has a larger reservoir compared to the Guide) which makes them even less likely to fade or overheat.
@@sledshed Thank you 🤙🏽