Completely agree with you on the sand trap question. If not playing a tournament rake it and drop it. People should be raking traps. Its golf etiquette 101!
agree, rake and place in same position or rake and place ball on slope to roll through same area and find the lie it should have taken. I am not hitting from another golfers footprint in sand.
Also, just a little recommendation, Adam. Every time you throw your end-of-round stats up they get blocked by the "pop-ups" for the next videos suggestion in the bottom left and right. Maybe if you just extended the end a little there that wouldn't happen but I don't make CZcams vids so I dunno haha
Agree with your take! If I cannot find a ball that would otherwise EASILY be found in a tournament then I call it a "gallery ball" and drop with no penalty. My thought process is that a crowd/gallery would find it if it were a tournament so I will drop in the general vicinity. A little more generous than your case but still
Adam, you have an open invitation to Denver including lodging. I would love to play with and learn from you. Fall golf is amazing here plus the altitude adds 25 yards to your drives. Enjoy the Bahamas. I'm enjoying the vids.
That’s awesome of them to take you along. About the “wet grips”, I wear Taylormade winter gloves and wet them and it’s better than leather gloves and being dry. I know because I sweat a lot and that’s what I do on hot and humid days here on the NC coast where it’s humid 7-9 months out of the year
Bucket hat is definitely a must. I live in Texas and this summer demanded it. Next time, ditch the cotton shorts… doesn’t handle swamp a$$ well. 😂. On a serious note, I finally got my first “Swing Tweak” and it was very informative and re-confirmed some old pro feedback I’ve gotten before. The advice and follow on drills are exactly what I needed and I can’t wait to play my next round.
Agreed. A lot of public courses I play have hard sand and unraked bunkers, when playing with friends we will usually agree to play lift rake and place since these conditions wouldn't exist in a tournament
I often put your videos on & listen as I drive to play golf. Gets my head in the right space to go out try my best to score but ALWAYS enjoy the round no matter what. Glad the game helped you so much that you now help others like myself. Thank you sir⛳️
If you think the Bahamas is hot you really need to hit Texas sometime. Today for instance. 87F right now in the Bahamas. 107 in Texas. West coast has you spoiled
@@atxrich Agree. The humidity is insane in Texas. Much would prefer to be in a city like Phoenix weather wise. Only place I've been worse than Texas where heat/humidity is concerned is Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
As a NJ golfer, putting on Bermuda greens completely puzzling. Love seeing you in the tropics Adam. Also, lift clean n place is poorly groomed bunkers like that. It’s hard enough…..😅
Great video! Always take something from your videos. Happy to say after hitting 80 on the dot five times this year I had 2 79’s last weekend. Mostly by avoiding doubles and three putts. Making better decisions in general.
Adam, thank you for showing how you repaired your divot on the 18th hole. While the assumption is that you would do that, it is nice to show it once in a while as a reminder for all the newer golfers. Golf Etiquette 102.
On the bunker topic, practice swings should be allowed in the sand because every bunker seems to have different sand conditions in them even on the same course from hole to hole. It would be great to get a feel for how your club will react to the sand. Also you can rake it so it’s better than replacing or filling a divot in the fairway. I don’t see a reason why this rule still exists.
Our casual rounds are just that - casual. We take relief like you did from a non raked bunker, but also divots and (in the summer in BC) burnt/“grassless” areas of the fairway. We are bad enough as it is! Obviously competition is different...
I tend to play my sand shots from the unraked bunkers of my local courses. The clientele seem to think it's not their job to rake a bunker. That being said, a bucket hat is a must. Playing in Texas, it provides shade on the neck and ears. A second towel soaked wet also provides cooling between shots. BTW, your my favorite professional amateur golfer on CZcams.
I think that’s a good rule about adjusting your lie based on tournament conditions. I recently decided to start moving my ball out of divots in the fairway. Course was a muni and doesn’t provide sand with the carts, I shouldn’t have to pay for that. Esp when I only hit 1/3 fairways anyway 😂
Lol agreed. It was first said to me like this ("if you wouldn't encounter this lie in a tournament, you shouldn't have to encounter it in a casual round") by a friend of mine who's a Pro. That logic makes sense to me.
If the bunkers haven’t been maintained, I just rake and drop. Did you go to the Atlantis water park while you were there? The slides and beaches are nice.
That's certainly my take, too! Indeed, we went around the lazy river at Atlantis. After ~30 minutes, I was too hot to stay outside and retreated back to our hotel :p
Actually GHIN had new rules for handicap rounds. 1 is that if you are in a footprint that wouldn't be there in a tournament you may pick up rake and place without penalty. Same with a fairway divot.
I had a match for school today, which had to end short because of rain, but if we had continued, i think i could’ve broken 90 for the first time. I shot 60 through 12 holes, and on 10 I chipped in for birdie!
we should all agree here… Legitimate gentlemen’s(etc) casual round rules: 1. Rake and replace - all bunker shots (no one rakes anymore) 2. Preferred adjacent lie - from a shot in a divot (dumbest rule in golf?) 3. Preferred adjacent lie - ground under repair (on a fairway or rough where there’s clearly supposed to be grass. We’re playing golf, not dessert polo.)
100% agree with bunkers. You won't see a pro hitting out of a foot print. Bunkers are hazards but if there's a rake, there's not supposed to be a foot print
My policy on divots is directly related to the condition of the course. Raty muni - take relief. High end course - no relief. The key is that I make the call BEFORE starting the round...
Feel your pain with the heat. Played back to back days in vegas last weekend and it was 104 and 105 with some humidity. I came out firing but around the 12th hole my energy just melted away and so did the round. Lol Also I was told to wear a bucket hat and refused, peeling pretty bad on my face. Lol
Just FYI. On bermuda greens the rough side of the hole is where it breaks. The grass is growing away from the hole, meaning that's where the ball wants to move.
I agree with bunker rule. One that bothers me is when you hit a perfect drive in the middle of the fairway & it lands in a unreplaced divot, or hard pan dirt occasionally on a poor fairway, I wish you could drop it out.😡😂
Hey Mate! great watching your videos :) had a round with you here in the Lower mainland which inspired me to start my own channel (not golf related lol) Sorry for my crappy golf skills good sir ;)
In my casual rounds I'm there to have fun. I'll do and play whatever results in the best 4 hours, even if that includes getting relief inside a bunker!
I use the Sharky hat "Stetson" type as my father had skin cancer on his ears as a big golfer so I choose the shade. Sadly we have to suck up the idiots that choose to never touch a rake. Off 6 we have to get on with it, great vid of real golf.
I'm a former Canadian who retired early and moved to Mexico and took up golf a few years ago so watch your videos because you show the good and the ugly. Now I've picked up a guitar and started writing songs on my new channel too as a hobby outside of my golf :) cheers!@@NotAScratchGolfer
I once suggested that balls in fairway divots be defined as embedded balls. Based on the response I got, you would have thought that I had suggested cruelty to puppies.
I couldn't agree more. The tour allows for a player to rake the sand and place the ball if another player disturbs the lie...what's the difference. I say place and let live.
If I'm on vacation in the bahamas and the guys ahead of me didn't rake the bunker, you better believe I'm re raking and replacing my ball. We're not pros, we're playing for our own satisfaction (especially on vacation)
Rake and place if the bunker was not properly repaired. I can't stand when people don't rake up after themselves. It's very selfish, entitled, or lazy. No reason we should have to make a difficult shot even more difficult because someone else decided to just hit from the bunker and take off. I understand how frustrating bunkers can be, but please have some consideration for your fellow golfers 🙂
I’d have definitely taken relief from that giant footprint. It’s hard enough to get out of a well manicured bunker, leastways a giant footprint. FYI, at least in east TN, that tradition of never raking started long before Covid…..
@@NotAScratchGolfer That’s awesome. If you ever decide to visit the Smoky Mountains, we have some nice courses around Knoxville, Sevierville, and Loudon.
11:37 If I was in the Bahamas and someone didn't rake the bunker... I am not going to let someone else's f*** up mess with my round. Especially if it is a once in a life time trip... If I was to play my home course and it happened there. Okay, I'll play it. It gives you some variation so on and so forth, because I know I'll HOPEFULLY play it 100's of more times.. Just my two cents.
Adam I always enjoy your content but gotta disagree with you on your bunker relief rule. If it's a 'casual' round then why do you care about your score? What goal are you trying to accomplish? If your goal is fun then you're basically saying you can't have fun unless you score well. If your goal is to get better then handling bad breaks is a huge part of course management and improving.
Adam, I’d go as far as to say they should change the rules for amateurs so that if you hit it in the bunker you can play from anywhere within that bunker. I don’t do that but for high handicappers it’s like hitting it in the water. Rake it and place it.
Interesting take. My take is that everybody can do whatever the hell they like on the golf course, so long as they maintain pace and respect the course. Not raking bunkers would be a great example of not respecting the course.
Since COVID, with all the idiots on the course, it has gotten so that I am actually surprised when someone rakes a bunker, fixes a divot or pitch mark, you know, any of the things that someone with even a little respect for the game and their fellow players routinely does. So, yeah, fix the lie in the bunker in non-tournament rounds and #ShrinkTheGame.
Was there last fall for Tiger's Hero Challenge tournament and wanted to go play this course... that is, until I saw that the green fee and rental clubs and everything was going to run me about $700 US. 😅Juuuuuust a tad out of my price range so I unfortunately had to say 'no thanks' to that plan.
Whoooooa no way! They helped out with our green fees (+ they were running cheaper than usual anyway with only 9 holes open). That's too steep a green fee for anywhere IMHO.
I play in Texas, and every summer I play around 2-3pm when it’s 107 degrees just because I have the course all by myself. I actually have done it so much I forget it’s hot..until I see non Texans who complain then I remember how psychotic it is being outside haha.
don't have a problem with the lie change in the bunker as the situation shouldn't exist in any reputable tournament. what bothers me more, and i might be wrong on this, why are the leaders of PGA events on Sunday playing with the most risk of landing in an unfilled divot? why can't we define a divot similar to an embedded lie, say a quarter to half the ball is in a manmade depression? I am not 100% on whether caddies/course maintenance fill divots DURING play, so I may be wrong on this.
Interesting question. I wonder if they're out there filling divots between groups. They certainly are between rounds (as I recently witnessed at the LPGA Canadian Open).
You hit it there, play it.... as geerock said below, when it hits a tree and keeps it from going OB no one ever complains..... so many would never cheat or bend the rules in other sports or games but in golf its a different story. Heaven forbid you call them on it. An honest mistake is one thing, however, you start taking liberties when it comes to rules you're playing a different game not the one called Golf.
Of course location, body, league, association, and even course can adjust rules as required, the rules of golf allow for this. A non question.@@jemiller226
Love the channel Adam. I liked that you did say you would never in a tournament. I heard a good quote the other day "A true golfer only blames himself."@@NotAScratchGolfer
I vote 100% in favor of your relief. I have always been a "play it straight up guy", but like you said, that's just bullshit. It's kind of like when you miss a drive 5 yards off the fairway and you can't find it and there's people behind you, but you know you'd find it if you spent 3 whole minutes actually looking for it in a tournament with people helping you.
You should never have to suffer from another persons laziness .. I’ve played a round were every other hole the group in front wouldn’t replace the flag in the pin … like wtf
Maybe I'm a stickler but I believe that you play the course how you find it. You're in a bunker... It's meant to be a hazard and punish you for hitting in there... you don't get to treat yourself to a nice lie. I hear similar arguments from people who pull their ball out of divots, away from tree roots, fluff their lies, etc.... Nobody ever complains that their ball that was headed straight OB kicks off a tree back into the fairway. The game is played outdoors and we have to take the bad breaks with the good. Rub of the green and whatnot.
Meh, bunkers are supposed to be raked. A footprint isn’t a bad break it’s someone else’s laziness affecting your round. You should play out of a divot but the rule isn’t long for this world and rightly so, it isn’t really supposed to be there. Tree roots *are* part of the game and sure, you can’t fluff your lie.
I’m fine with however people play during non-competitive rounds. In competitive rounds, I’m fine with however the rules are as long as they’re universally applied. That said, it’s weird to get punished for hitting the fairway and odd that you can purposely leave footprints and divots to impair players playing after you.
Yeah you're definitely a stickler. This is a casual round, and even if it were a tournament, there'd have never been a ghetto footprint in a bunker to hit out of. Divots yes, those can be in a tournament and they have nothing to do with someone having crap manners
Everyone’s group should play whatever way they all agree too. I’m fine with raking and placing if your in a footprint. If it’s just an inconsistent rake job I’ll play it as it lies. As far as divots I play it as it lies even though I think the rule should change if your in the fairway. Tree roots we will move it but not improve line to the hole. We are all in our late 50s and don’t need to break a wrist in a non competitive round. If playing in a tournament play it as it lies !
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Completely agree with you on the sand trap question. If not playing a tournament rake it and drop it. People should be raking traps. Its golf etiquette 101!
That's certainly my take, too!
agree, rake and place in same position or rake and place ball on slope to roll through same area and find the lie it should have taken. I am not hitting from another golfers footprint in sand.
Absolutely the way we handle traps also.
It is the Bahamas so either rake and replace it or Patrick Reed it with practice swings.
Also, just a little recommendation, Adam. Every time you throw your end-of-round stats up they get blocked by the "pop-ups" for the next videos suggestion in the bottom left and right. Maybe if you just extended the end a little there that wouldn't happen but I don't make CZcams vids so I dunno haha
Good call, thanks!
Totally agree with your bunker rake take.
So dope you were in my country man glad you had a good time!
Agree with your take! If I cannot find a ball that would otherwise EASILY be found in a tournament then I call it a "gallery ball" and drop with no penalty. My thought process is that a crowd/gallery would find it if it were a tournament so I will drop in the general vicinity. A little more generous than your case but still
“Gallery Ball” has to be the best euphemism for blatant cheating I’ve ever heard. I love it and will be using it liberally.
🤣😂🤣😂
Adam, you have an open invitation to Denver including lodging. I would love to play with and learn from you. Fall golf is amazing here plus the altitude adds 25 yards to your drives. Enjoy the Bahamas. I'm enjoying the vids.
Wow, thank you so much! I've been meaning to do a Colorado golf trip for a while! Can you email me at info@notascratchgolfer.com?
That’s awesome of them to take you along. About the “wet grips”, I wear Taylormade winter gloves and wet them and it’s better than leather gloves and being dry. I know because I sweat a lot and that’s what I do on hot and humid days here on the NC coast where it’s humid 7-9 months out of the year
Interesting! I recently got some new sticks with leather grips that have performed well in the wet!
I'm with you. If someone doesn't rake the trap and you hit into it, you get to pick it up, rake it, and drop it back where it would be.
Kindred spirits.
Bucket hat is definitely a must. I live in Texas and this summer demanded it. Next time, ditch the cotton shorts… doesn’t handle swamp a$$ well. 😂. On a serious note, I finally got my first “Swing Tweak” and it was very informative and re-confirmed some old pro feedback I’ve gotten before. The advice and follow on drills are exactly what I needed and I can’t wait to play my next round.
Great to hear Rich! We get so stoked on this kinda feedback.
Lol yeah that was quite the look on my shorts, and great to hear you're liking SwingTweaks!!
Nothing wrong with fixing an unraked bunker IMO,
golf is hard enough as it is.
Agreed. A lot of public courses I play have hard sand and unraked bunkers, when playing with friends we will usually agree to play lift rake and place since these conditions wouldn't exist in a tournament
This is certainly my position.
I often put your videos on & listen as I drive to play golf. Gets my head in the right space to go out try my best to score but ALWAYS enjoy the round no matter what. Glad the game helped you so much that you now help others like myself. Thank you sir⛳️
If you think the Bahamas is hot you really need to hit Texas sometime. Today for instance. 87F right now in the Bahamas. 107 in Texas. West coast has you spoiled
sounds like a reason not to hit Texas 😂
@@lawbinson - 100% Yet everyone is moving here 😟
The relative humidity is the worst part. I feel like I can play more in desert heat vs a round in stifling, muggy conditions.
@@atxrich Agree. The humidity is insane in Texas. Much would prefer to be in a city like Phoenix weather wise. Only place I've been worse than Texas where heat/humidity is concerned is Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Funny enough it was 106F the day we played. Indeed, we're not used to this in the Pacific Northwest!
As a NJ golfer, putting on Bermuda greens completely puzzling. Love seeing you in the tropics Adam. Also, lift clean n place is poorly groomed bunkers like that. It’s hard enough…..😅
I live in Nova Scotia and you might not think we get that humid here, but we do, so I often use my rain gloves on those 35-40 C days.
Great video! Always take something from your videos. Happy to say after hitting 80 on the dot five times this year I had 2 79’s last weekend. Mostly by avoiding doubles and three putts. Making better decisions in general.
Hell yeah, congrats!!
Bahamas during hurricane season? Brave! Have fun and be safe.
Agree with you on the bunker rake stuff.
I'd love to hear a bit about what your longer term golf goals are. Visit specific courses? Handicap number? Particular skills?
Adam, thank you for showing how you repaired your divot on the 18th hole. While the assumption is that you would do that, it is nice to show it once in a while as a reminder for all the newer golfers. Golf Etiquette 102.
On the bunker topic, practice swings should be allowed in the sand because every bunker seems to have different sand conditions in them even on the same course from hole to hole. It would be great to get a feel for how your club will react to the sand. Also you can rake it so it’s better than replacing or filling a divot in the fairway. I don’t see a reason why this rule still exists.
In a tournament, we will play it as it lies and grumble about it. In a casual round, rake and place, or play the plugged lie if plugged.
That's certainly my take!
Adam, great video yet again! Curious if/when you'll put out the much awaited handicap-system video? Thanks again!
Our casual rounds are just that - casual. We take relief like you did from a non raked bunker, but also divots and (in the summer in BC) burnt/“grassless” areas of the fairway. We are bad enough as it is! Obviously competition is different...
Totally agree with raking the sand if in a foot print
Danke!
I tend to play my sand shots from the unraked bunkers of my local courses. The clientele seem to think it's not their job to rake a bunker. That being said, a bucket hat is a must. Playing in Texas, it provides shade on the neck and ears. A second towel soaked wet also provides cooling between shots. BTW, your my favorite professional amateur golfer on CZcams.
Thanks for the kind words! Love the tip re: the wet towel!
I think that’s a good rule about adjusting your lie based on tournament conditions. I recently decided to start moving my ball out of divots in the fairway. Course was a muni and doesn’t provide sand with the carts, I shouldn’t have to pay for that. Esp when I only hit 1/3 fairways anyway 😂
Lol agreed. It was first said to me like this ("if you wouldn't encounter this lie in a tournament, you shouldn't have to encounter it in a casual round") by a friend of mine who's a Pro. That logic makes sense to me.
If the bunkers haven’t been maintained, I just rake and drop.
Did you go to the Atlantis water park while you were there? The slides and beaches are nice.
That's certainly my take, too! Indeed, we went around the lazy river at Atlantis. After ~30 minutes, I was too hot to stay outside and retreated back to our hotel :p
This was awesome. After hurricane season planning on taking my boat to the Bahamas and play golf for a few days. Hopefully I can get on here
We are here for the bucket hat.
And I'm here for you 💌
Actually GHIN had new rules for handicap rounds. 1 is that if you are in a footprint that wouldn't be there in a tournament you may pick up rake and place without penalty. Same with a fairway divot.
Played this course last year! Shot 83 with the wife as cart driver. Def a must play
Awesome, waddanexperience! And agreed, great track!
Look forward to your videos weekly. Great job
Thank you!
I had a match for school today, which had to end short because of rain, but if we had continued, i think i could’ve broken 90 for the first time. I shot 60 through 12 holes, and on 10 I chipped in for birdie!
Dayum! You'll get there soon!
I’m with you. In a casual round im raking that trap.
Yep. I notice way more rules sticklers online than I ever see on the course lol.
Completely agree with you on the sand trap, but our sand traps are so bad it doesn't matter anyway.
we should all agree here…
Legitimate gentlemen’s(etc) casual round rules:
1. Rake and replace - all bunker shots (no one rakes anymore)
2. Preferred adjacent lie - from a shot in a divot (dumbest rule in golf?)
3. Preferred adjacent lie - ground under repair (on a fairway or rough where there’s clearly supposed to be grass. We’re playing golf, not dessert polo.)
100% agree with bunkers. You won't see a pro hitting out of a foot print. Bunkers are hazards but if there's a rake, there's not supposed to be a foot print
Hard agree.
Enjoyable video as always Adam!
Very appropriate to take that sand relief!
My policy on divots is directly related to the condition of the course. Raty muni - take relief. High end course - no relief. The key is that I make the call BEFORE starting the round...
Feel your pain with the heat. Played back to back days in vegas last weekend and it was 104 and 105 with some humidity. I came out firing but around the 12th hole my energy just melted away and so did the round. Lol
Also I was told to wear a bucket hat and refused, peeling pretty bad on my face. Lol
nice shades Adam!
Just FYI. On bermuda greens the rough side of the hole is where it breaks. The grass is growing away from the hole, meaning that's where the ball wants to move.
Summer in the Caribbean, now that’s brave haha. Beautiful though! Get any other courses in there?
Lol sadly after this round we decided on no more golf (or outdoors altogether). 100F+ is too much for me.
I agree with bunker rule. One that bothers me is when you hit a perfect drive in the middle of the fairway & it lands in a unreplaced divot, or hard pan dirt occasionally on a poor fairway, I wish you could drop it out.😡😂
Hey Mate! great watching your videos :) had a round with you here in the Lower mainland which inspired me to start my own channel (not golf related lol) Sorry for my crappy golf skills good sir ;)
Love it! Link us!
In my casual rounds I'm there to have fun. I'll do and play whatever results in the best 4 hours, even if that includes getting relief inside a bunker!
Adam livin the life ⛳️🍹 🏖️
lol thx
I use the Sharky hat "Stetson" type as my father had skin cancer on his ears as a big golfer so I choose the shade. Sadly we have to suck up the idiots that choose to never touch a rake. Off 6 we have to get on with it, great vid of real golf.
agree with the bunker take
That's awesome Adam, I love your videos!
Thank you!
I'm a former Canadian who retired early and moved to Mexico and took up golf a few years ago so watch your videos because you show the good and the ugly. Now I've picked up a guitar and started writing songs on my new channel too as a hobby outside of my golf :) cheers!@@NotAScratchGolfer
I would check local rules about traps, you might be allowed to rake, clean and place.
Good call.
Great video
Thanks!
I've picked up my ball in the bunker due to all of the rocks. And being courteous is a pillar in Golf...but it has appears to have declined a bit.
Since Covid, particularly, I've noticed!
You play it as it is in that bunker. Sucks but that's how it should be. Loved the video. Well played.
Thanks. I didn't anticipate so many comments in reaction to this lol.
Looks beautiful, and by the way, I would’ve done the same as you in an un-raked bunker. In fact. I did it today here in Scottsdale.
Cheers
I once suggested that balls in fairway divots be defined as embedded balls. Based on the response I got, you would have thought that I had suggested cruelty to puppies.
During our casual rounds, we always play preferred lies. We are not pros, we are playing for fun.
It’s rake and place every time
I couldn't agree more. The tour allows for a player to rake the sand and place the ball if another player disturbs the lie...what's the difference. I say place and let live.
I didn't know this rule, interesting!
If I'm on vacation in the bahamas and the guys ahead of me didn't rake the bunker, you better believe I'm re raking and replacing my ball. We're not pros, we're playing for our own satisfaction (especially on vacation)
Certainly how I feel!
Rake and place if the bunker was not properly repaired. I can't stand when people don't rake up after themselves. It's very selfish, entitled, or lazy. No reason we should have to make a difficult shot even more difficult because someone else decided to just hit from the bunker and take off. I understand how frustrating bunkers can be, but please have some consideration for your fellow golfers 🙂
I’d have definitely taken relief from that giant footprint. It’s hard enough to get out of a well manicured bunker, leastways a giant footprint. FYI, at least in east TN, that tradition of never raking started long before Covid…..
Dayum. I actually teed it up once in TN at my friend's bachelor party. Short little course outside of Nashville. Wish I remembered the name!
@@NotAScratchGolfer That’s awesome. If you ever decide to visit the Smoky Mountains, we have some nice courses around Knoxville, Sevierville, and Loudon.
11:37 If I was in the Bahamas and someone didn't rake the bunker... I am not going to let someone else's f*** up mess with my round. Especially if it is a once in a life time trip...
If I was to play my home course and it happened there. Okay, I'll play it. It gives you some variation so on and so forth, because I know I'll HOPEFULLY play it 100's of more times..
Just my two cents.
Much appreciated!
Adam I always enjoy your content but gotta disagree with you on your bunker relief rule. If it's a 'casual' round then why do you care about your score? What goal are you trying to accomplish? If your goal is fun then you're basically saying you can't have fun unless you score well. If your goal is to get better then handling bad breaks is a huge part of course management and improving.
Go in maan 😂😂😂
I think that was a tad more Jamaican than Bahamian haha.
@@johnnyhunter Fair!
Adam, I’d go as far as to say they should change the rules for amateurs so that if you hit it in the bunker you can play from anywhere within that bunker. I don’t do that but for high handicappers it’s like hitting it in the water. Rake it and place it.
Interesting take. My take is that everybody can do whatever the hell they like on the golf course, so long as they maintain pace and respect the course. Not raking bunkers would be a great example of not respecting the course.
And the bunkers aren’t in great shape to begin with at a lot of courses.
Hey next time theres a seat free!! Lol anyhow Im in town 25th- 28th sept.. lets get this thing done !! Haha!😂
Yes! We're FINALLY overlapping in Van. Look forward to it!
@@NotAScratchGolfer now we just need the weather to be with us!!.. you want to do the monday?
The person that needs to be punished/penalized is the jackwad who didn't rake the bunker, not the poor guy faced with a shot from his footprint!
Lol this is certainly how I feel!
Come to the Philippines I will host you in two clubs :)
Since COVID, with all the idiots on the course, it has gotten so that I am actually surprised when someone rakes a bunker, fixes a divot or pitch mark, you know, any of the things that someone with even a little respect for the game and their fellow players routinely does. So, yeah, fix the lie in the bunker in non-tournament rounds and #ShrinkTheGame.
wow so this is what them private pilots be doing when waiting around during their clients vacations.
This one, anyway!
My cousin is a pilot on a private plane, and this is totally what he does. Still waiting for the day he picks me up and I get to join him!
Rake the bunkers people.
yaaaaaas
Variety is part of golf and is what makes it fun to play
And yes that includes unraked bunkers and hitting out of divots
Was there last fall for Tiger's Hero Challenge tournament and wanted to go play this course... that is, until I saw that the green fee and rental clubs and everything was going to run me about $700 US. 😅Juuuuuust a tad out of my price range so I unfortunately had to say 'no thanks' to that plan.
Whoooooa no way! They helped out with our green fees (+ they were running cheaper than usual anyway with only 9 holes open). That's too steep a green fee for anywhere IMHO.
I play in Texas, and every summer I play around 2-3pm when it’s 107 degrees just because I have the course all by myself. I actually have done it so much I forget it’s hot..until I see non Texans who complain then I remember how psychotic it is being outside haha.
Lollll. Yeah it was well over 100F this day and I have no idea how people do this regularly.
don't have a problem with the lie change in the bunker as the situation shouldn't exist in any reputable tournament.
what bothers me more, and i might be wrong on this, why are the leaders of PGA events on Sunday playing with the most risk of landing in an unfilled divot? why can't we define a divot similar to an embedded lie, say a quarter to half the ball is in a manmade depression? I am not 100% on whether caddies/course maintenance fill divots DURING play, so I may be wrong on this.
Interesting question. I wonder if they're out there filling divots between groups. They certainly are between rounds (as I recently witnessed at the LPGA Canadian Open).
You hit it there, play it.... as geerock said below, when it hits a tree and keeps it from going OB no one ever complains..... so many would never cheat or bend the rules in other sports or games but in golf its a different story. Heaven forbid you call them on it. An honest mistake is one thing, however, you start taking liberties when it comes to rules you're playing a different game not the one called Golf.
What about rules that differ based on location and sanctioning body? Which one is the one called Golf?
Golfers are indeed sticklers, but IMHO moving a ball out of a footprint in a bunker is not a slippery slope to "cheating."
Of course location, body, league, association, and even course can adjust rules as required, the rules of golf allow for this. A non question.@@jemiller226
Love the channel Adam. I liked that you did say you would never in a tournament. I heard a good quote the other day "A true golfer only blames himself."@@NotAScratchGolfer
I vote 100% in favor of your relief. I have always been a "play it straight up guy", but like you said, that's just bullshit. It's kind of like when you miss a drive 5 yards off the fairway and you can't find it and there's people behind you, but you know you'd find it if you spent 3 whole minutes actually looking for it in a tournament with people helping you.
You should never have to suffer from another persons laziness .. I’ve played a round were every other hole the group in front wouldn’t replace the flag in the pin … like wtf
Divots with no sand, nope. Footprint in the sand, nope. Golf is fun, and to steal your tag line, I’m not a scratch golfer.
Agreed!
Key to saving yourself a few strokes is not wearing teenage baseball viper glasses boys lol
Lol! These were from my buddy's bachelor party a few weeks prior. I'm not into expensive sunglasses - all I do is lose or break 'em!
Son-in-law shot...😂
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Maybe I'm a stickler but I believe that you play the course how you find it. You're in a bunker... It's meant to be a hazard and punish you for hitting in there... you don't get to treat yourself to a nice lie. I hear similar arguments from people who pull their ball out of divots, away from tree roots, fluff their lies, etc.... Nobody ever complains that their ball that was headed straight OB kicks off a tree back into the fairway. The game is played outdoors and we have to take the bad breaks with the good. Rub of the green and whatnot.
Meh, bunkers are supposed to be raked. A footprint isn’t a bad break it’s someone else’s laziness affecting your round.
You should play out of a divot but the rule isn’t long for this world and rightly so, it isn’t really supposed to be there.
Tree roots *are* part of the game and sure, you can’t fluff your lie.
I’m fine with however people play during non-competitive rounds. In competitive rounds, I’m fine with however the rules are as long as they’re universally applied.
That said, it’s weird to get punished for hitting the fairway and odd that you can purposely leave footprints and divots to impair players playing after you.
Yeah you're definitely a stickler. This is a casual round, and even if it were a tournament, there'd have never been a ghetto footprint in a bunker to hit out of. Divots yes, those can be in a tournament and they have nothing to do with someone having crap manners
I would check local rules, you might be allowed to rake, clean and place.
Everyone’s group should play whatever way they all agree too. I’m fine with raking and placing if your in a footprint. If it’s just an inconsistent rake job I’ll play it as it lies. As far as divots I play it as it lies even though I think the rule should change if your in the fairway. Tree roots we will move it but not improve line to the hole. We are all in our late 50s and don’t need to break a wrist in a non competitive round. If playing in a tournament play it as it lies !
240 BOMB "not my best strike" you a dog my man
Lol, heat + humidity makes for those #s. In Vancouver in the Winter, that ball's going 200 lol.
no you bogeyed 11