The Genius of the Gospel of Mark
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The Gospel of Mark is completely underrated by most modern readers, who typically consider it a condensed version of Matthew or Luke -- a nuts-and-bolts no-nonsense account of what Jesus said and did with no literary flair. Oh boy are THEY ever wrong. In this episode Bart explains why Mark is not only his favorite Gospel but also his favorite book of the Bible, a book with subtleties, nuances, and intricacies from start to end that most people simply never see and that make all the difference for understanding its message. This is a brilliant account of Jesus' life, one of the most intriguing books to come to us from early Christianity.
In this episode:
-Why scholars consider the Gospel of Mark is understood by scholar to be the oldest of the gospels
-The gospel of Mark opens with “The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ”. The first sentence really sets the tone for the rest of the book, showing Jesus as the messiah. What did this word mean in the ancient world, and how would Jewish and Gentile audiences understood it?
-Does Mark accept these typical expectations of what the messiah was to be?
-What did it mean to be a “son of god” in the ancient world, and was Jesus the only one, or is Mark drawing on an established tradition here?
-Why does Mark completely skip Jesus’ birth and open with an already-adult Jesus meeting John the Baptist. Why would Mark start there?
-How does Mark try to show that Jesus really was the Messiah, the Son of God in his narrative?
-Why is it that a lot of people in Mark’s narrative don’t understand who Jesus really is?
-Why would Jesus NOT want people to repent?
-At the end, does Jesus himself have doubts of his identity?
-By the end of this Gospel, does anyone understand who Jesus is?
30 years in the Church or church adjacent and more light bulbs clicked on for me in this one conversation than ever before.
Church fathers need to start studying the Bible
Ehrman makes clear what years of religious education could not.
Religious education can't do anything but turn you "religious". Becoming a Christian comes only by being born again. Dr Bart Ehrman, for sure, never experienced the birth by the Holy Spirit.
Exactly. It’s really disappointing when apologists that clearly have an agenda to propagate ignorance can’t grasp what Ehrman actually does which is provide clarity through facts what religious leaders and apologists want to keep clandestine
The New Testament is not a corpus of books as Bart keep describing it. A Testament is a legal instrument which indicates that someone left a property behind and some instructions as how to manage that property. For the Old Testament, the property was CANAAN. The New points to the Roman Dominions which, as Mary sang it, the Jewish Messiah(Christ) conquered from Caesar and passed them on to the heirs who are the slaves, the poor, the widows, and the orphans...
No doubt that the person who slapped the title NEW TESTAMENT on the front of our current corpus was aware of the sack of Rome by the barbarians-Huns, Goths, Vandals, Lombards- and perceived the Roman Empire as a gift from God. Reading the New Testament without knowing that piece of history can lead to misinterpretation of it. JESUS IS THE MESSIAH(CHRIST), THE SON OF GOD IN THE LIKENESS OF CAEASAR AUGUSTUS FOR THAT VERY REASON...
@@Pax-Africana “No doubt that the person who slapped the title NEW TESTAMENT on the front…”
My reading says the churches generally agreed on the 27 books of the NT around the time the apostles left the Earth. In fact, Constantine ordered Eusebus of Caesarea at the C of Nicaea, 325 CE, to produce 50 copes for Church in Constantinople. The same list of 27 was called “canonized” by Athanasius, the Bishop of Alexandria in 367. Then the Latin Vulgate was commissioned by Pope Damasus in 383.
So the NT was a done deal a full generation before the Sack of Rome in 410.
And that doesn't seem like very good evidence for Jesus being God.
What's your expertise in this? Have you seen the parchments in Rome? Did you read the church documents in Latin or Greek? I trust Ehrman.
@@nextworld9176
Remember the original manuscripts are anonymous at that time and still are. The Catholics and by that I also mean the Orthodox who accept the symbol of Faith of Nicaea and Constantinople follow this naming of the books for liturgy purpose to make their ritual smooth...
If as you said the so-called Church agreed on the books by the time the Apostles left this world, that would put the canonization of those books around year 95 or 100 when the last Apostle John passed. But Eusebius in his "Ecclesiastical history" paints a very different picture.
By the time of Constantine, no book was agreed upon yet, and different community was prioritizing different books which is why Constantine convened the Oeucumeical Council for harmonization.....
Thank you Dr Ehrman for providing all this great educational content for free and on such a big scale. It's hugely appreciated.
Jesus was announced as king of Israel in that choice between Jesus and Barabbas. Quickly said, Pilot dressed Jesus up as King, Pilot presented Jesus to the Sanhedrin and high priest among the crowd as "their King". Told the crowd to choose to crucify "their King" or Barabbas. The Saducees and High Priest chose "their king" Jesus to be crucified and instigated the Jewish crowd to choose "their King" to be crucified..... and so the Priesthood anointed Jesus as their king in order for him to be executed. And Pilat published this fact above Jesus head at a time when Jerusalem was most crowded of Jews from all over the realm.
What this accomplished was to legalize according to Torah law Jesus' amended covenant and make irrelevant all burdensome Talmudic rules.
I think Jesus and Pilat planned it together. Neet trick on the Sanhedrin huh.
@@joeydutch7178 Nope. Just spreading around the word of God. You all seem to be deficient.
@Termi Nation alright 👍 👀
I agree scholars are really starting to become interested in educating lay people. Christians & Atheist a like should know the Actual story.
@@Zuzuboy1218 Yes, like James Tabor who retired about a year ago now doing yt.
What I find so wonderful about Mark’s language is its liveliness, the way the Greek jumps into the present tense: “Look! He walks into the room! He speaks to the crowd! They’re bringing a leper to him!” I can imagine it being read out loud and the audience enraptured as if they’re listening to an amazing play or maybe even a podcast “🫢🎉👏
I can hear the deep respect and love Bart has for the gospel of Mark.
I cannot find the words to describe how good this series is. Two cool, intelligent people having a polite conversation about a deeply fascinating subject......what's not to like?
And, IMO, this particular episode is the best yet.
The New Testament is not a corpus of books as Bart keep describing it. A Testament is a legal instrument which indicates that someone left a property behind and some instructions as how to manage that property. For the Old Testament, the property was CANAAN. The New points to the Roman Dominions which, as Mary sang it, the Jewish Messiah(Christ) conquered from Caesar and passed them on to the heirs who are the slaves, the poor, the widows, and the orphans...
No doubt that the person who slapped the title NEW TESTAMENT on the front of our current corpus was aware of the sack of Rome by the barbarians-Huns, Goths, Vandals, Lombards- and perceived the Roman Empire as a gift from God. Reading the New Testament without knowing that piece of history can lead to misinterpretation of it. JESUS IS THE MESSIAH(CHRIST), THE SON OF GOD FOR THAT VERY REASON...
I'm watching this 3 mo later, and having the same reaction: this is the best episode yet. I've read and heard this story for decades, but feel like I'm seeing it for the first time.
lol hopeless
I was raised in a fundamentalist church and was shocked and liberated after receiving my MDIV at Howard University School of Religion. Listening to your blog reminds me of my professors lectures. Thank you for your rigorous scholarship and teaching...very enjoyable.
How did your religious studies impact your beliefs?
The explanation of "Son of God" is so critical! Thank you for that!
33:55,
me: "Please say "missing the mark," please say "missing the mark"".
Damn
Dr Ehrman, I just binged like 5 hours of your teachings in a weekend. I went to a Christian college and took several courses such as the synoptic gospels and have never heard the gospels taught the way you teach them. Thank you for sharing your teachings with us!
I've been going to church for years, but I've never learned as much as I have from this one video. What an amazing gift. Knowledge is beautiful.
I love the idea this man spent his entire life educating himself, doing research and writing so i can get all that knowledge on a free pod cast. Saved me a good 20 years. Thank you sir!
she asks really good questions. they make a good team. This is very informative stuff.
I grew up in a Christian household, went to Christian school and was involved in the church 3 times a week until I was 22. I am now I guess agnostic, but I love learning the historical background of all of this! I wish someone would have taught me all of this actual evidence growing up. Love this!
I love how Megan always comes out with a new look and shares some new info that surprises Bart.
She would be stoned to death in your homeland for having blue hair.
another beautiful irony is that Mark was right on a meta level too: nobody understood his meaning either, until waaaaaaay later with the analytic framework of Messianic Secret
Fortunately for us laymen, Dr. Ehrman is a gifted teacher in addition to his skill , insight , and dedication as a researcher .
Tuesday is my favorite day of the week, It means that I get to listen to another Misquoting Jesus podcast at work! :D (though Friday means I don't have work, and that's a close second)
I concur
Jesus was announced as king of Israel in that choice between Jesus and Barabbas. Quickly said, Pilot dressed Jesus up as King, Pilot presented Jesus to the Sanhedrin and high priest among the crowd as "their King". Told the crowd to choose to crucify "their King" or Barabbas. The Saducees and High Priest chose "their king" Jesus to be crucified and instigated the Jewish crowd to choose "their King" to be crucified..... and so the Priesthood anointed Jesus as their king in order for him to be executed. And Pilat published this fact above Jesus head at a time when Jerusalem was most crowded of Jews from all over the realm.
What this accomplished was to legalize according to Torah law Jesus' amended covenant and make irrelevant all burdensome Talmudic rules.
I think Jesus and Pilat planned it together. Neet trick on the Sanhedrin huh.
I too, don't work on Fridays. I love my life !
Astounding scholarship by Dr. Herman, and perfect interview skills by Megan Lewis.
Ehrman, damn you, autocorrect 😂
Brilliant presentation! Thank you dr. Megan and dr. Bart for this wonderful evening. Easter is coming, and although I am no longer a practicing Christian, I relive the time spent with my grandparents and parents with nostalgia ...
Easily the best and most thorough explanation of Mark that I personally have ever heard ❤️💙💜
I bet his course on Mark is really good. I think they're quite expensive (it's all relative) but I've actually considered getting this one
This was a really fascinating episode. It added so much beauty to Mark's gospel. I cannot overstate my appreciation.
I've always thought of the parables this way: If you make a straightforward statement, someone can either agree or disagree; those who disagree discount, and those who agree may experience nothing else. It's raining. I agree. Done. But as with books like Zen Flesh, Zen Bones or the Wisdom of the Desert Fathers, parables cause you to digest, consider, challenge, contextualize the information. It's a process by which we take a degree of internal ownership of the meaning, and that's more powerful.
On the women (i.e. not male disciples) discovering the empty tomb: in a fair number of cultures, it is women's work to prepare the dead for burial. I would read it as that being the reason women went to the tomb -- and then of course they would discover whatever happened to be there. The real question I have is: if the women never told anyone, how did Mark find out what happened at the tomb? Even just in terms of the story-as-story, it seems to a modern eye like that would need explaining. I'm not surprised that later scribes, as well as the writers of Matthew and Luke, wanted something else to be the end of the story.
Now I have to back and read Mark! Thanks for the homework, Bart...This was one of the most compelling episodes and Mark leaves us with a cliffhanger. Everyone loves a cliffhanger..
Jesus was announced as king of Israel in that choice between Jesus and Barabbas. Quickly said, Pilot dressed Jesus up as King, Pilot presented Jesus to the Sanhedrin and high priest among the crowd as "their King". Told the crowd to choose to crucify "their King" or Barabbas. The Saducees and High Priest chose "their king" Jesus to be crucified and instigated the Jewish crowd to choose "their King" to be crucified..... and so the Priesthood anointed Jesus as their king in order for him to be executed. And Pilat published this fact above Jesus head at a time when Jerusalem was most crowded of Jews from all over the realm.
What this accomplished was to legalize according to Torah law Jesus' amended covenant and make irrelevant all burdensome Talmudic rules.
I think Jesus and Pilat planned it together. Neet trick on the Sanhedrin huh.
@@termination9353
Obviously Barabbas is a fictional character.
@@ramigilneas9274 No reason to assume Barrabas a fictional character.
@@termination9353
There is no reason to assume that he existed at all… Barabbas (translated to son of the father) sounds like a made up name… for the made up story that the people could choose which of the two criminals they want to free, just like the Jom Kippur sacrifice.
That story sounds like myth from start to finish.😂
@@ramigilneas9274 There is no reason to assume anything actually, all based on your own belief 😅
Thanks for describing your funding program. Academics have lives too, and knowing people are trying to support them as people with real lives, and not just book writers who get paid for what they produce, is very nice to see.
Dr. Ehrman is right in pointing our that Mark is a spectacular piece of literature. In fact, fiction as I see it. And where it's derived from, Dennis R. MacDonald and Francesco Carotta have demonstrated in their published works that Mark is a mimesis of Homer's Odyssey, his Iliad, and some Greek tragedian plays; and, a diegetic transposition of a lost but partially copied life of Julius Caesar. The reason is that Mark reads as an epic that ends in tragedy at the climax, then an apotheosis in the denouement. In that sense, it's similar to the career of Julius Caesar after he crossed the Rubicon.
The New Testament is not a corpus of books as Bart keep describing it. A Testament is a legal instrument which indicates that someone left a property behind and some instructions as how to manage that property. For the Old Testament, the property was CANAAN. The New points to the Roman Dominions which, as Mary sang it, the Jewish Messiah(Christ) conquered from Caesar and passed them on to the heirs who are the slaves, the poor, the widows, and the orphans...
No doubt that the person who slapped the title NEW TESTAMENT on the front of our current corpus was aware of the sack of Rome by the barbarians-Huns, Goths, Vandals, Lombards- and perceived the Roman Empire as a gift from God. Reading the New Testament without knowing that piece of history can lead to misinterpretation of it. JESUS IS THE MESSIAH(CHRIST), THE SON OF GOD FOR THAT VERY REASON...
@@Pax-AfricanaBart is correct. It is not his fault the titles (NT) are misnamed.
Just submitted two questions to this podcast for the first time. Really love this podcast. You guys are doing great work!!
Watching this was time well spent. Thankyou both.
As always, so absorbing. I always come away wanting more!
James Tabor argues in his Mark study that the author did have access to the letters of Paul, because of the mirrored wording in the Eucharist account.
Mark 14:22-24 22: And as they were eating, he took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to them, and said, “Take; this is my body.” 23 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, and they all drank of it. 24 And he said to them, “This is my blood of the[c] covenant, which is poured out for many.
1 Cor 11:23-25: 23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
The wording in these two accounts share language, as compared to the Didache Eucharist wording.
Interestingly Luke’s gospel has both wordings taking the cup twice. Luke 22:16-20
Thank you for giving me the gift of Mark as a wonderful piece of literature.
Bart, Megan. I love this format! Thanks for making these videos.
Man, this episode is fantastic 👏 I'm listening to it a second time already!
In Mark 15:39, the centurion says, "Truly this was the Son of God"
In Luke 23:47, the centurion says, "Certainly this was a righteous man".
I wonder which book is misquoting the centurion.
He could have said both and was a matter of emphasis with regards to how both author wants to convey to the audience. One author focuses on the divinity, the other one on humanity.
@@kuyab9122
I wonder why the centurion thought he was executing the Son of God.
And how did he come to the conclusion that he was righteous ?
@@tedgrant2 The book doesn't tell much to extrapolate from.
@@kuyab9122
Personally, I think most of it was made up for entertainment purposes.
When I was a teenager, I read "Tarzan and the Jewels of Opar".
Even now I can remember being thrilled by the yarn.
@@tedgrant2 That is a reach. Manuscripts being written then of that nature are meant to be taken theologically and not for pleasure/entertainment value.
first 20 years of my life - down the drain
Every year you believed in any of the 1000s of gods went down the drain.
Just think of it as you were a Harry Potter fan for 20 years
Regarding the original ending of Matthew, could it have been the author's intent to emphasise that the women did NOT speak to anyone, thus confirming that the tale of Jesus came not from the fanciful tales of mournful women, but from the risen Christ appearing to his disciples at Galilee as was promised?
If the men were not told by the women to go to Galilee, then how did the apostles know to go there? Remember, those dudes were the dedicated lieutenants of a major rabble-rouser, and were high-tailing it outa Dodge to avoid getting caught, themselves.
Had heard Ehrman call Mark a brilliant work of literature for a while now, didn’t fully realize it until this podcast. Thank you!
I have watched this video three times already. Brilliant analysis. Thanks for sharing Mark with us.
Incrível como a mente humana é capaz de persuadir de uma forma tão astuta, pois cerca de mais de dois mil anos atrás esse escritor de Marcos foi capaz de escrever uma narrativa tão cheias de nuances para embasar o q ele queria q os outros acreditassem e até hoje continua conseguindo o seu intento, até hoje foi a melhor interpretação desse Evangelho q eu ouvi, obrigado Barth Erman
Muito bom ver um falante da língua portuguesa aqui
This was one of the best episodes yet. Thank you!
Bart D Erhman doesn't disappoint. I was super blessed by this episode.
The way Bart recited that poetry from Mark was breath-taking and made sense for the first time.
Most renderings emphasise the _"forgotten me"._ Bart emphasised:
_"My god! My god, why have _*_YOU_*_ forgotten me."_
I've been an atheist for almost 50 years, but I was moved almost to tears.
I've not seen such an impactful and unexpected reading since Ian McKellen in the Rings. Most read the inscribed poem in the Black Speech in a sing-song way. McKellen broke the mould:
_"One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them._
_One ring to bring them all._
_And in the darkness..._
*_BIND THEM"_*
{:o:O:}
_(Edited for tyops)_
Since you've been an atheist for 50 years, you're not a young person. So, in a few decades, you'll learn how wrong you've been. You'll be amazed that you ever believed such secular superstition. Nothing to worry about, though, no one will be angry with you. You'll be in a beautiful world, with friends, family, and, even, pets. You can laugh at my comments. But you'll see.
@@billrener4897 The only one believing in superstition here is you. You have only one shot at life, and you're wasting what precious time you have on myth and ignorance, and desperately trying to convince others of your own false beliefs.
Jesus was announced as king of Israel in that choice between Jesus and Barabbas. Quickly said, Pilot dressed Jesus up as King, Pilot presented Jesus to the Sanhedrin and high priest among the crowd as "their King". Told the crowd to choose to crucify "their King" or Barabbas. The Saducees and High Priest chose "their king" Jesus to be crucified and instigated the Jewish crowd to choose "their King" to be crucified..... and so the Priesthood anointed Jesus as their king in order for him to be executed. And Pilat published this fact above Jesus head at a time when Jerusalem was most crowded of Jews from all over the realm.
What this accomplished was to legalize according to Torah law Jesus' amended covenant and make irrelevant all burdensome Talmudic rules.
I think Jesus and Pilat planned it together. Neet trick on the Sanhedrin huh.
@@billrener4897
*_" So, in a few decades, you'll learn how wrong you've been."_*
Tragically, you will never learn how wrong you've always been.
{:o:O:}
@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 Clever response. That's all I feel like saying.
Very interesting. No wonder that Bart is an agnostic. Thank you for your work, both of you, and for showing me the gospel of Mark from completely different perspective.
Bart describes himself as an agnostic and an atheist at least a few years ago he did.
A Jewish rabbi on CZcams says that women would never go and attend to the dead body of a man. In our culture women take a nursing role so it doesn’t seem atypical, but the rabbi said in Jewish culture now & then this would not happen. I don’t know if this applies To family/ mothers also.
And Romans let the crucified rotten on the cross for general deterrence, especially in the case of a capital state crime...
@@WMedl Jews insisted that even executed criminals were interred on the same day they died. Jesus was executed for heresy against the temple.
Bart Ehrman is extremely clear and concise.
The New Testament is not a corpus of books as Bart keep describing it. A Testament is a legal instrument which indicates that someone left a property behind and some instructions as how to manage that property. For the Old Testament, the property was CANAAN. The New points to the Roman Dominions which, as Mary sang it, the Jewish Messiah(Christ) conquered from Caesar and passed them on to the heirs who are the slaves, the poor, the widows, and the orphans...
No doubt that the person who slapped the title NEW TESTAMENT on the front of our current corpus was aware of the sack of Rome by the barbarians-Huns, Goths, Vandals, Lombards- and perceived the Roman Empire as a gift from God. Reading the New Testament without knowing that piece of history can lead to misinterpretation of it. JESUS IS THE MESSIAH(CHRIST), THE SON OF GOD FOR THAT VERY REASON...
@@Pax-Africana I appreciate your elaboration on the meaning of the word testament. But I do not see your attitude and Bart's as opposed to each other. If anything your comment enriches his. I'd be interested in knowing who first applied the word Testament to the set of books.
@@StephenMBauer
Bart and I cannot see to eye to eye as he keeps misreading Paul on the return of his Master. If Paul was convinced that Messiah(return) was in his lifetime why on earth did he start organizing family life and the life of his communities? He talked at length about the role of a wife, a good husband, the bishops, etc...
Why not tell everybody to get ready for Christ(Messiah) was coming back.
He tells Thessalonicians to go to work and anyone who refuses to work must not eat.
All in all, Paul's mission was not to announce the end of the world but to interpret the New Covenant for the Gentiles to ratify and in so doing join the family of Abraham as spiritual Jews.
@@StephenMBauer
Of course the one who applied the word Testament to the set of books did not decide decide on his own initiative as the Roman Church had always work through committee, committee of bishops, etc...
So for me that issue of knowing who applied it first is irrelevant.
One thing is certain, make the liturgy runs smooth played a role...
I had to take notes! It was so interesting
As a believer in Christ, I appreciate Dr. Bart for encouraging non-believers to read and respect the Holy Scriptures. Thank you, sir.
Reading the Bible is the leading cause of atheism.
@@Nick-Nastithank god, lol
You may be a believer in Christ,nothing to do with the historical Jesus of Marks Gospel 😅
As a former believer it was Bart Ehrmans work that lead me to believe how BS the whole damn thing was.
The spittle in the eye motif is plagiarized from the Egyptian Serapis story
Also - who was the reporter - disciples asleep, so who knew what he prayed?
Just found this channel. Awesome since I'm just reading "Lost Christianties"
Very enjoyable podcast thank you dott Bart ehrman ✌️
This was an amazing episode!
Bart mentions Jesus' silence before Pilate, saying it is as though Jesus is in shock. I don't see evidence for him being in shock as he had told his disciples what would happen. By being silent Mark is showing Jesus fulfilling the messianic prophecy in Isaiah 53:7 "He was oppressed and afflicted yet he did not open his mouth. Like a lamb led to the slaughter and like a sheep silent before her shearers, he did not open his mouth." I appreciate Bart's talks and I will continue to read on my own too.
I could listen to Bart and Megan every day.
I love to listen to Megans clear and easy understandable english!
(BE is ok too :)
Excellent, as always!
Wow, such a terrific series! Gotta love the gospel of Mark, my favorite gospel.
I really like Megan as host because she has some great comments and questions. I don't know the relationship between Megan and Bart but it seems close and trusting.
Excellent interview!
I've been following Professor Ehrman off and on for years through the Teaching Company/Great Courses but have to say I've never seen him this animated; what wonderful insights I took away from this. Teaming Megan and Bart in this format was an inspired idea and it works brilliantly. Anyway, for those interested, below is a CZcams video of the famous actor David Suchet reading Mark in its entirety from St Paul's; it's remarkable.
czcams.com/video/JjOgcMQXvSc/video.html
Dr. Ehrman. THAT was really amazing explanation of the Gospel of Mark. I am reading the Gospel again and trying to re-understand the entire meanings. Thanks a lot.
Another great session. Well done
Bart - Not sure if you or Megan read these comments? I hope you do. There has beens some scholarly thought that “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?” is a reference to the opening line of the 22nd Psalm. In other words, the 22nd Psalm is allegedly a Messianic prophecy fulfilled by Mark. Psalm 22 also talks about a crown of thorns, they cast lots for my garment, and a Talmudic commentary allegedly interprets a word as “nail” or “nailed,” which current Messianic Jews believe that Judaism actually does have some early pre-Jesus tradition that the Messiah was supposed to be crucified. Dr. Bart, what say you? Did Mark write this in and other crucifixion events to fit in with some things in Psalm 22?
Why does Mark have Jesus predict his own suffering and death but then act shocked on the cross, thinking God had forsaken him?
Because GOM is mix of oral reports and fake stories added to it. This guy who wrote GoM was from pauline christianity. Nothing to do with the true followers decades earlier.
What we need soon is "The genius of the Gospel of Luke" !
I'm looking forward to that video because Luke is my favourite Gospel
It has that flying into space yarn.
“What do we know that we think we know?” Mind blown !
Wow Dr. Ehrman, Thank you for showing us what kind of a biblical book Mark is and especially the nuances surrounding the narrative. Lot to think about, digest, and discuss with believers. Many Thanks!
Jesus was announced as king of Israel in that choice between Jesus and Barabbas. Quickly said, Pilot dressed Jesus up as King, Pilot presented Jesus to the Sanhedrin and high priest among the crowd as "their King". Told the crowd to choose to crucify "their King" or Barabbas. The Saducees and High Priest chose "their king" Jesus to be crucified and instigated the Jewish crowd to choose "their King" to be crucified..... and so the Priesthood anointed Jesus as their king in order for him to be executed. And Pilat published this fact above Jesus head at a time when Jerusalem was most crowded of Jews from all over the realm.
What this accomplished was to legalize according to Torah law Jesus' amended covenant and make irrelevant all burdensome Talmudic rules.
I think Jesus and Pilat planned it together. Neet trick on the Sanhedrin huh.
@Termi Nation Jesus didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, and the priest did not anoint Jesus.
@@sally9352 Jesus"if you want enter paradise,keep the commandments"
What are the commandments??
@@pubgpedia711 why are you asking me? What is your point?
@@sally9352 What do you know of the Torah Law. the Law SAYS the Covenant would be broken and a New Covenant installed. Jesus fulfilled that Law. Jeremiah 31:31
-Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Thankyou Drs. The meaning to the author of “ The beginning of the good news (proclamation of good things)” probably incudes that after forty years (Mark being written in 66-70CE) the ORIGINAL liberating and status upsetting power of the FOUNDER’S message had been dulled by the 12 disciples and James in Jerusalem. ‘Gospel’ is mainly Paul’s word and ‘Mark’ presents stories and sayings arranged in a way to support Paul’s mission and views, even if he denigrates the understanding of the 12 disciples. ‘The beginning’ then carries the force of a ‘get back to basics’ or ‘back to the Bible’ polemic. Dr. G. Craig Fairweather.
On this point - Mark being written in 66-70CE - the first thought came to mind was that had a be a really bad time to produce a work like that, since the Great Jewish Revolt raged between 66-73. If 40 years after Jesus' execution, then maybe a little past 70 AD? Regardless, would have to wonder what impact the Great Jewish Revolt had on views/sentiments/etc. of the author and his community?
- The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.
This was beautiful!
Bart and Megan.....love this series. Question: what is the evidence that Mark was the first Gospel according to scholars? Maybe do a show on this?
During the First Jewish-Roman War of 66 to 74 CE, the Romans laid siege to Jerusalem for 7 months before breaching the city walls and destroying the Temple in 70 CE. The author of Mark clearly knows about the war and almost certainly the siege of Jerusalem, but doesn't know about the destruction of the Temple itself (whereas the authors of Matthew and Luke do). He writes "But when you see the desolating sacrilege set up where it ought not to be (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains". "The desolating sacrilege" is a reference to Daniel but what does he mean by "set up where it ought not to be (let the reader understand)" - or "standing where it ought not to stand"? Some scholars think probably a Roman Standard setup in the Temple . In any case he doesn't know about the Temple being destroyed.
It's always a good day when Bart uploads!
I wonder if there was a guru hanging around galilee who was dropping hints that he was a divine being (as guru-type often do), and one of his followers was the guy who wrote Mark to help initiate his fellow followers into the inner circle of the group.
Thank you! Wonderful explicatin
Meghan! I collect eye glasses and admire your collection!
Great questions and answers
I am a believer in Jesus. This was an interesting and helpful review of Mark. I have a very detailed commentary on Mark that I will now re-read.
Sounds like Bart wants to interview Megan... It would be nice to hear about her non-profit for PHD students.
People go to graves all the time without expecting to access the body. They feel as though they’re honoring the person more and/or connecting with them more by being close to their burial place.
No I understand why you do love this Gospel!
My father was a great storyteller, he used to tell them to me every day, sometimes they took hours because I would not fall asleep, and his voice and facial expressions were like Bart's here and mine facial expressions like Megan's here. See 36:48, Bart almost fault in sleep, but not Megan, but at 41 : 44 she did finaly 😀
This approach is useful equally for believers as well as nonbelievers! Thanks for sharing!
In addition to the amazing (original) ending, the start of Mark is fascinating. Like The Godfather, it demands a prequel and a sequel.
I love the interviewer’s style
Loved Bart's talks for a long time. Great series with Meghan as host. Son of God - pretty clear. I don't understand that strange expression "Son of Man".
Read Daniel 7. Jesus applied it to himself (Mark 14:62) and the high priest knew what Jesus was doing hence the reason why he accused Jesus for blasphemy. Jesus puts (Daniel 7:13-14 and psalms 110) together since they already knew psalms 110 is about the messiah (mark 12:35-37).
Stephen also used the same verse in Acts 7:56 just as Jesus
There needs to be a series of professionally made, Hollywood quality films, each one based on a gospel, none borrowing elements from the other books.
"Don't tell anyone." reflected in the Fight Club rules.
Hi Bart,
Have ypu read the immortality key?
What are your thoughts on the use of psychedelic substances in early christianity?
Bart's always got the giggles. Lol. ❤
According to Dennis Mc Donald, she, the feet washer, is borrowed from the Odyssey, her name Euraclea, meaning "proclaimed throughout the world," the same woman who washed Odysseus' feet..
Wow. What an eye-opener. I'm going back to read the whole thing now.
The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.
@@termination9353 Give it a rest!
@@lynoxberry1507 what's it to you what I do?
I’m an atheist but have been kinda fascinated by Mark for a while, it’s a literary masterpiece imo
Thank you
One of the most passionate things I've ever listened to.
It would suggest that Jesus did not chose the brightest of individuals to be his disciples.
This seems surprising as he wanted them to go forth and spread his word to the Jewish Nations!
- The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own.
The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives.
Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story.
It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.
And yet her we are talking about Jesus in 2023.
@@bluerfoot indeed. Not because of the Disciples, but because of Paul.
As we know, the disciple came to nothing and Jesus Jewish remaining followers committed suicide on the mount in AD70
This left Paul to sell his version to the empire - with did not include the Jewish faith as Jesus taught.
Sadly, Institutionalised Christianity has little to do with Jesus teaching - he said “change not one jot or iota of the Law!” Yet that’s exactly what Paul did.
@@johnsinclair2672and where did you get that quip from? "Paul's corrupted version"? Could you stop by my house later? I need you to paint some circles on my children's basketball court and you seem pretty good at that 😂
@@marcomoreno6748 haha good one Marco.
Not a quip fella, simply an observation of what is written - facts, not thoughts, as confirmed by all textural critic scholars of the New Testament, worth their salt.
Seems - until you learn to read, and not follow the gang, you’ll have to stay in the nursery and paint your own circles! 🤣
I have a strange fascination with the Gospel of Mark. Maybe because it's the first gospel. It's was written only 40 years after the death of Jesus. Sometimes stuff in the gospel of Mark might go back to actual memories about the life of Jesus.
And for centuries, it had forged verses
- The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own.
The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives.
Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story.
It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.
@@termination9353 That happened. /s
@@KaiHenningsen Please clarify your question.
@@termination9353 how did they get hijacked by rome when they confirmed these stories with the apostles 🤣😂😂😂 that’s actually ridiculous
Hey Bart, what do you think about the gospels being based on the story of Titus Flavius written in the book the jewish wars? Do you think the old testament stories (creation and so forth) have their origin in babylonian and persian astrology? (I read a book called the celestial code of scripture).
Regarding the nature of the father/son relationship that you discuss around 16:00, this is a question that I've had for a long time. Modern readers of the Christian Bible often interpret this relationship in a pretty literal way: Jesus is (in some sense) literally the son of God. But, I've often wondered whether this misses the mark. In the ancient near-east, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that someone writing about a father/son relationship in the context of the divine might be invoking the same relationship that ancient Israelites had referred to for centuries that indicated a covenantal relationship--an extension of that found in the Hittite suzerainty treaty form?
Indeed, that seems to miss the Mark. I should ass that what we'd call adoption was certainly not unknown at the time. For example, emperor Augustus was adopted by Caesar, and he in turn adopted his sons. It seems that in the OT, though, while there are some examples of effective adoption (such as Moses being raised by pharao's daughter), there doesn't seem to have been a formal process for it. So it seems that the NT adopts this Roman custom, not only does God apparently adopt Jesus, but later on it seems all the Christians are said to be "God's sons" by his choice.
@@KaiHenningsenagreed. Adoption was the highest compliment. That child was often the preferred child (see Octavius).
You two are absolutely the best thing on the internet.
Thank you for the content. There is the concept of the name is the lesson. Mark or Marcus is a Latin name. Marcus is dedicated to Mars. God of war, protector of cattle, and fertility. Worshipped in Roman army camps. Could the story not be the story of Jesus, but of those in the beginning of their journey of discipleship? Marks end has them not telling anyone. Oldest versions. The other gospels differ in levels of discipleship. Something to ponder
The woman with the alabaster jar follows the exact same sequence of events as Eurycleia did in Homer’s Odyssey….right down to the breaking of the jar and being the only person who recognized the master. Mark even provides an Easter egg that he’s using Odysseus a basis for his Jesus narrative. Jesus tells the disciples that the nameless woman who anointed his feet will win ‘far flung glory.’ How does a nameless woman win worldwide glory? She doesn’t…until you realize that the phrase ‘far-flung glory’ in Greek is ‘eury cleia’