Did the Author of Mark's Gospel Think Jesus Was God?
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In this extended interview with Paul Williams, CZcams host of #BloggingTheology, we explore Mark's view of the figure of Jesus--as Messiah and Son of God--but never the One God of the Hebrew Bible.
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Really like Tabor and his teachings. I especially like that he doesn’t attack anyone’s faith, he just teaches.
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Thank you for finally answering this question in my mind. Mary was the mother of Christ, not God. The Trinity was a Roman Catholic invention.
Jesus and Tabor are totally rad .
I am so deeply moved in my spirit by the beauty of James and his scholarship - moved to tears. The Holy Spirit is here! A man with a great spirit.
Im thinking the same thing
If jesus is God almighty why would he pray to God on a daily basis? Would that not be like talking to yourself? If Jesus is all knowing and just as powerful as God why pray to God if you are God? Jesus said I came to do my fathers will or Gods will, Jesus never said I came to do my will, he also taught his followers to pray to our father he didn't teach his followers to pray to the son, religion is very confusing no wonder religious people are all messed up
His prayer in John 17 confirms he was pre-existant. Only God is pre-existant.
The difficulty is not whether Jesus is God or not, it's understanding what is meant by the terminology "Father" and "Son" in light of all the information given in the gospels
As always, Dr. Tabor, this is just fascinating to absolutely no end, and you have my eternal gratitude for all of your hard work bringing this level of knowledge to the public sphere. You have certainly piqued my interest about Luther! I would love for you to get back to that topic sometime!
I really enjoyed it! Thank You!
Dr james D Tabor is for me a True Disciple of yahushua Bar Joseph ❤
Bought the course. Love it. Thanks so much for all you do.
If you have another tour... I'm going! I see the next one is booked. Hopefully everything calms down and you do.
Thanks for talking about WACO, it's a topic I've always found fascinating, if not a bit tragic.
Thank you again Dr. Tabor 🤓🥰
Love all your videos, professor!
2nd (continued) @HistoryAndReviews: “Jesus did no miracles until he was baptized. He is not God” - GOOD POINT! Excellent point!- I’m delighted someone pointed this out. - This is EXACTLY where the “Infancy Gospel of Thomas” and the Church of Antioch comes in, and where Iraneaus of Lyon in 180AD (and likely Polycarp from Smyrna before and Hippolytus of Rome through him), Origen in Alexandria around 230 AD, and Eusebius 315 AD Caesaria around the time of Council of Nicea thanks to their “gnostic purge", put themselves and the fledgling church badly into a corner by declaring it “heretic’” presumably because Jesus is too “erratic, wild, and vengeful” - somehow, they’re OK with Jesus cursing a Fig tree in Matt 21:18 (suspiciously absent/partial only in Mark 11:14 and 13:28) though 😆😆 - Eusebius of Nicodemia (the Arian, not Caesarea, who had died by then in 339 AD) was AGAINST Homousis in Nicea and only very reluctantly signed the creed!
Romans 1:3-4 has the truth of the gospel summed up in two verses. Most people miss the significance of the last 6 words of verse 4. Destroys the trinity.
@@jdaze1 you refer to "by the resurrection from the dead” (KJV Roman 1:4)?
- Why merely undermine the Trinity with these 6 words? I submit the Americans have a mangled and diminished understanding not merely these 6 words, but even more the last 7 words of Jesus on the Cross!
- This sort of skimming and convenient selection of verses from Epistles, Acts, and Gospels can even support an American Antichrist - indeed, it can profitably be argued much of what passes for “Christianity” in the US is a mongrelized version seeking inspiration from American exceptionalism and Manifest Destiny under the guise of misguided “revivalism” frothing against the long-forgotten Papist enemies from the English Civil wars
- in truth, American “Christianity” (or what passes for it) is neither Catholic, nor Protestant, nor Orthodox
- Garbled American Christianity is merely the usual American dysfunction and shallow New World Babel, whether the New Age Christianity of the 7th Day Adventists, the Newer and Superior Supercessive Testaments of the Latter Day Saints, the Hare Krishna wannabe Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Diet Coke Christianity of the wannabe Anglican Episcopalians, the shrill harangues of Southern Evagelicals and Bible Belt Baptists who seek to outdo John the Baptist and Martin Luther by constructing a deeply flawed pseudo-Christian edifice on feeble stilts (or not at all) in Florida flood-risk and Bible Belt tornado counties, and not least, comically inept American academic attempts to interpret (read distort) the Bible and Scripture without benefit of 2000 years of tradition and Patristic interpretation, and instead variously through the twin Astigmatics of “literary criticism” cataract and “historical criticism” glaucoma.
@@viz8746 amongst the most well written comments ever written on the internet.
Just like you note around the 1hr:19min mark (pun intended) listening to your insightful talks has increased my faith. Thank you for all you do!
Would you address "the Magi" and Zoroastrian influence on Jesus movement?
Sounds awesome to have such an amazing tour guide. Could you give an approximate cost of a trip, just approximately between $? and $? round about figure so I know if I have any hope to go on one of your trips in 2024. Which country do you meet up with the group? I'm in Australia 🐨
@Dr. James Tabor. Im trying to get my nerve up to email, something i dont normally do. Leaving comments seems rude. I wish you would consider מערה as the "preparations" of the heart. Matk is among the other 70 and keeping notes of the lessons as taught to a beginner. I hope you can read it that way and see the consistent pattern in the gospels. The manuscrpts used by Tregelles are foundational. You can under stand that the "young man' wasn't around for the birth of Jesus.
Just finished your book, you emphasize the family of Jesus like no other author I have read.
They have been shoved into the background for 2,000 years.
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@@wilhelmlorenz5852 No, Jesus wasn't a Trinitarian. As a Jew it would have been the ultimate blasphemy.
@Robert Stephenson So... you mean like 2 Samuel 24? Nice, truthiness, like that?
Or Deuteronomy 32:8 - before editing? I think that, was, somewhat, revealing (err, like Genesis 3:22's original wording, seemingly was)
Hey, forget Q in Star Trek, what about Q in James Bond?? Far earlier than Star Trek, if we're talking about earliest sources! 😂✌🏽
In your Jordan trip would you be taking people to Tall al-Hammam? I know its not New testament related, but it would be interesting to have those excavations explained
““Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me.”” Isaiah 48:16
I'm seriously down to go to Jordan with you. Been to 30 countries. Would love to make it 31. I want to go to Lebanon too. That's where my family immigrated to Mexico from. How can I sign up?
What was the word sins in Hebrew or Aramiac?
Was he saying he can heal the discrepancies people were facing from their sins, such as cure illnesses? Or was he saying their sins were being exposed out in the open and that meant no one could be merciful towards a person exposed as a sinner, either by evidence or as being unclean through illness?
And for those misguided souls (and academics) nitpicking over “… but only the Father” in Mark 13:32, there is the emphatic rejoinder/consummation in 14:62 “I AM”… and you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Might One…” cf. Matt 26:64, Luke 22:69, and Stephen in Acts 7:55 - John has no reason to since 7 times “I AM” is mentioned emphatically and AGAIN 7 times “I AM” in passing.
Check out the Aramaic of the ‘I am’ statements. It is not in the Aramaic.
An unrelated question Dr. Tabor: Could you speak about the ornately flowery language in the King James Bible? This was the Bible presented to me as a kid attending the denomination of Baptists in my hometown. I left that constricted ideology ages ago, btw. Some (whomever ''some'' are) have speculated that this particular translation during the time of Shakespeare, may have been accomplished by William's contemporaries . . . or (gasp), by the Great Bard himself.
Further, could you speak about the myriad problems involved with translations, and ignoring of the use of cultural language during Yeshua's existence; of how various words and phrases of that time period are routinely debated ad nauseam?
Related (somehow - I digress): What are the problems that have evolved since the fourth century, and the banning of gnostic writings . . . of 'experience' vs. 'objectification' in Christian theology and ''practice''? I ask these questions because it's apparent that 'mankind' today is essentially lost in the wilderness; having lost direct integration . . . eons and eons ago; which is how Nature becomes naturally lost.
I should confess that I have been practicing meditation techniques for 50 years, as well as the TM-Sidhis techniques for 40 years. And, I, too can become lost at the vagueness of language as presented in 'the' Christian Bible . . . vs. the richness of inner/outer experiences that follow expanded awareness.
Nevertheless, I STILL find it utterly fascinating to equate various Bible descriptions - and language - to so-called higher states of awareness; even - as example - the phrase (paraphrasing, sorry), ''If thou has faith the size of a mustard seed . . . (the power inherent in faith) can move mountains.'' To me, this is an excellent example of how sutras are used, at finest level of inner awareness, i.e., ''Thinking within the transcendent.''
Thank you, sir . . . I always admire your research, thinking, and ideas, as you seem to speak so personally and in a timely manner.
@TheGreatGazoo and @DustinEllerbe - even without proficiency in Greek or Hebrew, it should be OBVIOUS to anyone with even a BASIC acquaintance of the Old Testament that (John) Mark does not arbitrarily start off his (Peter’s) Gospel with “Behold, I send my messenger…” as some wild abrupt madman coming from a desert whirlwind. The quote is a DIRECT lifting off (sensibly due to Roman rule and Pharisic persecution) the FIRST PART of Malachi 3:1 (last Old Testament Prophet along with Nehemiah and Ezra, some 400 years before Christ during Persian-Cyrus rule over Palestine)… Malachi 3:1 ENDS with “… and the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his Temple”.
Thank you
7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Psalms 45:7 (KJV)
About the Law/lying point. Here in the States there is the concept & code called the Necessity Defense.
I.e., it is a defense to violate a law if it is necessary to prevent a great harm.
Is source Q possibly Paul in Mark or other gospels?
Brilliant!
Dr Tabor in Botany what comes first the Root or the Shoot?
The root grow first, then the shoot right. The root sustains the shoot.
Why is the Messiah called the Root of Jesse? Isaiah 11:10
And how can the Messiah be the Root and the Shoot of David at the same time? Rev 5:5, 22:16.
I found this, I had down loaded a online app called Hebrew Bible study, and, I wanted to brouse as a beginner, to this learning I was going to be starting, and, looking around in the app, was formilurising is a good start, to learning, so to scrolled around, and came across, lots of, unexpected, extra stuff, other than, just the Jewish Bible study, so I looked at them, lists I never Evan seen before, all titles on subjects of topics, the divine name of God, Midrash, the holy One, exodus, Tafsir Rasag, Targum Jerusalem, Shaarei orah, Kabbalah, legends of the Jews, in the beginning, two thousand years before the Heaven and the Earth, seven things were created : the Torah written with Black fire on White fire, and lying in the lap of God: the divine Throne, erected in Heaven which later was over the heads of the Hayyot, Paradise on the Right side of, Hell on the Left side, the celestial sanctuary directly in front of God, having a Jewel on its Altar graven with the name of the Messiah, and a voice that cries aloud, " return, ye children of Men" .
Mark is the earliest source - in that it was the first recorded i.e. written down. But that's not to say that it was the earliest, or most accurate (for want of a better term). If John is indeed 'the disciple the Lord loved', the one who witnessed the crucifixion, then why would we not pay most heed to his account? Is there evidence that his account was not disseminated orally at the same time or even earlier than Mark's?
Amazing what man can do with word usage! Intellectualism is a language all it's own. We can probe and interject, but I prefer this gift called the Holy Spirit to help me find my faith. Walt
Who are the sanctified ones, is a key question. How do they become sanctified? Have we lost the Way that Jesus came to show us?
I worry about that very question myself
I know I'm commenting a lot on this one but it is a key book for me so...
From my layman's interpretation of why the high priest tore his robe, and claimed blasphemy is because throughout the story of Yeshua's conflict with the Sadducees/Pharisees, it seems to revolve around their belief that a man claiming the authority that Yeshua was, is claiming to be the Most High, or at least the equal of.
Yes - Mark clearly starts out that way.
Mark 1:1-3
"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
As it is written in Isaiah the prophet,
“Behold, I send my messenger before your face, who will prepare your way, the voice of one crying in the wilderness:
‘Prepare the way of the Lord,
make his paths straight,’”
"Son of God" was bracketed in the original Greek, per Tabor.
And some manuscripts do not have Son of God in that verse at all.
@@tayrowell - regardless of that, the quoted reference to Isaiah, that Mark begins with, is about the person/messenger that is preparing the way for "the Lord/Son of Man/Son of God." That person is John the Baptist and he believed Yeshua/Jesus was the Christ/Son of Man.
If it is bracketed it is likely only to help the reader understand what the reference to Isaiah is about.
Mark is saying that John the Baptist is who Isaiah 40:3 and Malachi 3:1 are about.
@@thephoenix0494 Sadly, most nonbelievers and Jews think you have misinterpreted Isaiah
@@thephoenix0494 Well, at any rate, straighter, hopefully, than that baloney in 2 Samuel 24, Leviticus 25, Deuteronomy 21, and so forth.
Or the somewhat sketchy premise, of Romans 1:18... (that failed, in heaven, with, many angels - somehow?)
Love the name James , named my youngest son James.
I listened to you but when I looked info in the Bible many things you SAID would be nice if you actually quote the Bible text and and analyze it as you go along.
Mark clearly is saying Jesus is God. And it’s in parable form to let those who don’t believe see what they want to see. Pretty cool stuff
Matthew's gospel doesn't say, "Hear ye him" at Jesus' baptism. That was on the Mount of Transfiguration when that was spoken by the Father (Mt. 17:5).
I would love going to Israel. A camping trip to Jordan? That would be great. Thanks mr Tabor from western North Carolina.......
To quote the great C S Lewis “I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher (perhaps anticipating Bertrand Russell in “History of Philosophy”, 1946), but I don’t accept his claim to be God. THAT IS THE ONE THING WE MUST NOT SAY (caps mine)…. you can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a Demon, or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come up with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. HE HAS NOT LEFT THAT OPEN TO US (caps mine). He did not intend to."
Jesus never claimed to be God.
@@ObjectiveEthics if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck...it's probably a duck!
@@PC-vg8vn Jesus didn't act like a God but I like that old analogy lol. Jesus actually said that his power came from God and he said he needed to pray to God the same way he told others to pray to God. The people who wrote the books of the Jesus movement each had their own ideas of how to present Jesus and so you don't get a very clear or consistent story about his life unfortunately. Jesus must have been a very charismatic preacher to have made such an impact on certain people. It shouldn't be too surprising since Jesus was a disciple of John the Baptist who was also a very charismatic preacher.
@@ObjectiveEthics He referred to His Father to whom He prayed. God the Father, the Ancient of Days. There is no actual evidence that Jesus was ever a disciple of John the Baptist, that's merely an assertion.
@@PC-vg8vn There is evidence that Jesus did not think he was a God. And there actually is evidence that Jesus was a disciple of John the Baptist. Most of it was written in books that the church decided to ommit from the canon.
Peter got it wrong in Mark 8:29 at Caesaria Phillipi, even AFTER Mark 8:21 “Do you still not understand”? - Mark 11:3 “Ho Kurios” (ὁ κύριος), also Matt 21:3, Luke 19:31 - There is NO CONFUSION on who/what “The Lord” refers to. Scripture is clear and unequivocal.
I find it very odd that in a discussion about how Mark portrays Jesus you failed to mention the first few verses where Mark quotes the Old Testament and applies it directly to Jesus. It is clear what Mark is implying. Note that 'Lord' in the OT passage of Isaiah refers to Yahweh. So John the Baptist is the messenger sent ahead of the God of Israel, who Mark clearly believes is Jesus.
I still wonder. If He wasn’t God Incarnate then why did all His followers die for him?
3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed? Amos
Wow- William and Mary! Did he watch Darren Sharper's collegiate defense?
The prophet Yczequiel was referred to as 'Son of Man' consistently; his message was each of us is responsible for our own actions/ no substituting another person to be punished (or rewarded) for what we have done. Here is typical spread of theological disease: my son preaches in Birmingham England and because I rely upon AL ILYUN (El Elyon) and do not rely upon the murder of Jesus for my salvation, I am 'not fit' to speak with his children my grandchildren because according to him, my trust in El Elyon is unmerciful and toxic. The preacher honors and preaches a resurrected corpse to justify willful decades of dishonoring parent(s)??????? It should be no surprise I'm not interested in returning to Paul's Christianity. ( Thanks for allowing me to share true perspective.)
Mark 5:41 “Talitha Koum” - who but God can raise the dead? What does “touching his clothes” have anything to do with it? - Mark 7:34 “Ephphatha” - who can do such things but God? - Mark 9:23 “If I can?” (Laughs). - Count on your fingers a mere mortal who can do such things.
Elijah and Elisha raised the dead 🤡 ALL of Jesus “miracles” are ripoffs of people in the OT
Jesus DID NO MIRACLES UNTIL HE WAS BAPTIZED. He is not God
This is exactly why is seems folkloric.
The Apostles raised people from the dead.
@@julesfalcone After Jesus endowed them with the Holy Spirit.
@@wungabunga what does that have to do with what we are talking about?
Another great discussion. Thank you for taking the time and sharing your hard work with us.
I honestly have no problem with the Trinity, and can't understand why many Christians seem to think that is proof the Christ was God.
God imbuing Yeshua with his authority is the "Holy Ghost" it is the spirt of God that has been given to & resides in him, the authority to boldly declare that God has forgiven a person of their sins.
It is a similar arrangement that allows a Christian to cast out demons, baptize, and heal spiritual wounds in Christ's name etc.,
Yeshua is the High Priest of God, and Lord of this Earth.
Love your presentation! Minute-40----Is the principle of the law most important or the fruits/results? For rulers like the scribes/Pharisees, no matter how small the infraction or how harmful the result, it was the principle that counted. For Yeshua it was the intended goal/fruit/results that fulfilled the law. Yeshua did not say, by their law keeping you shall know them but "by their fruit". Yeshua's "law of liberty" has the goal of prohibiting harm to neighbor and producing good fruit, the fruit of God's spirit. The way to keep God's law is the way/action that produces the best fruit/result. The goal of most of man's law is control through guilt and force. "Big Brother only wants to help you." The Christ was constantly condemning the heartless commandments of men that made the commandments of God "of no effect". (Good fruit not produced) He said they worship me (YHVH) in vain, teaching as doctrine/commandment the tradition of men. He pointed out this included Moses in the scriptures. This is why we must "rightly cut/divide" the scriptures. God delegated, as the Christ confirmed, authority to Moses' seat to make judgments, but not judgments contrary to God's law. Those laws of man would be null and void. Which is why he allowed the disciples to pick grain on the Sabbath. The Sabbath was meant to be a restful delight, not a burden.
All gospel writers are selective...not mentioning resurrection means nothing. No gospel writer mentions everything they ate at the last supper. Do you think the only thing they ate was bread and wine
David was also "found" by the LORD to be pleasing in his sight, and so choosing him:
[Act 13:21-23 NKJV] [21] "And afterward they asked for a king; so God gave them Saul the son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, for forty years. [22] "And when He had removed him, He raised up for them David as king, to whom also He gave testimony and said, 'I have found David the [son] of Jesse, a man after My [own] heart, who will do all My will.' [23] "From this man's seed, according to [the] promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior--Jesus--
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Here's my confusion, and it's one of the reasons I began deconstructing--I didn't know it called that at the time--if I was a follower of Jesus I would be utterly confused or maybe stop following. Reason: in the Old Testament God is strict about following his commandments and several examples of him killing people for disobeying a simple mundane command. Then there's the horrific warnings in Deuteronomy and Leviticus. If they do not obey every command, he will release such terror that even the nicest Jew will go mad and eat his children and refuse to share with his wife. Then Jesus comes along and not only tells them to work on the Sabbath but he becomes annoyed at those who didn't. I don't see why Jesus makes that rebuke when the Old testament makes it very clear that man was made to honor the Sabbath. Now apologist will argue that Jesus was making a point that God values the heart more. Ummm no the Old Testament shows otherwise.
But ..how can you explain all his miracles???
I believe that Jesus didnt preach to work on the Sabbath, he preached against the Pharasaic interpretation of work.
Picking grain to eat it is not work, picking grain to profit is.
The Pharisees created rules that burdened the Jews rather than made their lives easier. The Sabbath was created for people to rest and recover after 6 days of work.
Its a day for the people, not to make their lives inconvenient
The short answer: "no."
And neither did Jesus think he was God. No Jew would!
We wept and cried for seven days. This now makes sense why Mary his mother and Mary his wife went into deep grief according to John the new (based on regression and recovery of memories of John the Beloved.
I haven't done, James Tabor, courses on his findings, he has been researching, I fail to afford, luxuries, I'm poor not well off, I think too many people have prospered off God and his message far too long, life is short, and then God holds you account for how you lived it, I try to remember that God made everything, and he has the final say, as far as man and his treachery, I worry about how to make sure, that you are following, any rules God expected us to observe, when man is so untrustworthy, and does everything for self gain, the concept of course, is quite ridiculous, as we take nothing with us, after the breath of life within us, separates, from us from deaths kiss, the body is left behind, we, the essence of the energy, is released from the body, and then, the place where we go, is up to God, that is we crossed the Vale, and that is what worries me more than anything else, God hopefully has released already, that we don't have any clear understanding of what God, expected us to observe, because, otherwise, we are all in trouble, I don't want that to happen to humanity, I want people to go back to God, God our father
@@lisaking4291 Consider the One that made the universe as we know it, filled it with life out of love. The provision for us after death and our spirit with our personality complete, brilliant, with all our memories goes to place in the realm of the spirit more substantial and real than our life here. We are not 'judged' so much as treated in accordance with our own decisions that shaped who we are. We create ourselves. om [perfect ;pve and fairness we reap what we sowed in the afterlife. Now we have to live with what we created in ourselves.
On that, I consider, hesitantly, whether how I describe myself, is how God will see me, I have had, a life I describe, as filled with cruelty, as inflicted upon me, from others, say that I am too weak, easy pickings for others to bully, that I don't stand up for myself, I have been taken advantage of, by everyone I know and have ever known, and I have had I put my own brother, in front of me, so he can have whatever good things, I could have had, just so that I would avoid seeing him go without, life is so much more important than stuff, what I value is not riches and stuff, I want people to be lovely and kind, my experience of people means far more than anything I can ever be given, the treatment of innocent friendliness, is everything to me, so that is what I try to give to everyone, but, mostly I have been mistreated and suffered from people who enjoy the worst of behaviour humanity is capable of instead, I remember saying as a child that I want to treat everyone just like Jesus did, and in turn I have experienced, hate and cruelty as my gift from people.
I thought this was an interview, it was just James preaching with the odd but in by his guest, James, stop talking some times give your guest a chance
James was the guest
Joshua the Chosen from the New Testament was Joshua Son of Nun in the Old Testament.
The catch is that Joshua Son of Nun (originally Hoshea Son of Nun) was from Tribe of Ephraim, not Judah.
So it's the Samaritan Chronicle from the House of Israel 🇮🇱, not the Book of Joshua from the House of Judah.
[Note]:
Moses changed Hoshea's name to Joshua with the implied meaning "May God save you from the conspiracy of the scouts".
@HistoryAndReviews below “Elijah and Elisha raised the dead” - you are referring to 1 Kings 17:17 “The LORD listened to the voice of Elijah and the life of the boy returned to him…etc.” - Elijah does not raise the dead, HE IS NOT THE AGENT - it is GOD who raises the dead for Elijah… similarly with Elisha and Shunem where he “Prays to the Lord” (2 Kings 4:33) - and the third with Elisha's bones 2 Kings 13:31 - no where do THEY resurrect either on their own or on Carmel - Jesus is HIS OWN AGENT , Jesus COMMANDS - what Jesus instructs HAPPENS - there is a BIG DIFFERENCE in the manner of resurrection and AGENCY - Jesus is explicitly shown as Sui Generis in the Gospels in ALL his 3 resurrections, not least his own (Nain Widow’s Son Luke 7:14 “young man, RiSE”, Jairus’s daughter Mark 5:41 “Talitha Kumi!” Luke 8:54 “Child RISE", Lazarus John 11:43 “Lazarus, COME OUT!” - Jesus “prays” to the Father more for those around Him that they may believe despite perfect Homousis (Nicea Council) and Hypostatic Union. - 2 more In Acts indirectly where Peter resurrects Tabitha (Acts 9:40) through prayer (to Christ by obvious deduction) and Paul resurrects Eutychus (Acts 20:10).
Really, it is sad American “Christians” have to be instructed on something so BASIC - The clue is there right at the start in the first chapter when (John)Mark quotes Malachi 3:1 and Isaiah 40:3 - (John)Mark knew EXACTLY what he was talking about, albeit in coded language for the Hebrews to understand WITHOUT DOUBT - “Make straight the path for our God; Highway for our God” etc. - Handel’s Messiah’s Scene 1 starts off with it, something which most people here should have heard several times during Christmas! - “And the Glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together”.
Thank you for the prompt of Mark 1:1-3 back to Malachi 3:1 - using NKJV - in Malachi says 'before Me' in Mark we have 'before You' the interplay between Me and You speaks that the two are One - as in deed Jesus says in John 10:30
Indeed, Ive just made a similar comment myself about them ignoring the very beginning of Mark. It is clear what Mark is implying.
WHO WAS the author of the "Gospel of Mark"??
Mark
He probably had a story idea and got many to input and write
The idea that Jesus NOT being a priest yet FORGIVING sin AND able to read their minds WAS the implication that he WAS divine. It can be argued that this act was NOT contextual however with the theology of Christology/Christianity itself because it was only the SACRIFICIAL act of the DEATH of Christ on the Cross that allowed or provided the mediation for the ATONEMENT and thus the FORGIVENESS of Sin. The fact that the Levitical rituals ALSO did that PROVES that Levitical Judaism IS NOT compatible with NOR originative of Christianity. Similarly, the context of Jesus resurrecting the dead BEFORE his own Resurrection (as DID the Hebrew prophets) is INcompatible with the REQUIREMENT of HIS OWN for doing that as designated "FIRSTBORN from the Dead"!!
The Judes in the "Gospel of John" made a big deal of Jesus simply healing a blind man saying NEVER BEFORE was it heard of making the blind able to SEE; NOT the BIGGER deal of making the DEAD live AGAIN!
These contradictions support my estimation of the religion as "ChristINANITY".
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Dr Tabor seems very disingenuous here regarding whether the author of the Gospel of Mark thought Jesus was God. Even if you leave out the "son of God" in verse 1 of Mark, you only get to verse 3 before the author is equating Jesus to YHWH. Tabor just skips down to verse 9 in this discussion. The second and third verses quoting Isaiah tell you who the author thinks John and Jesus are (the voice in the wilderness and YHWH respectively).
And that is the problem with most theologians and indeed with all doctrines they all pick and choose, rarely do we get the whole counsel of God balanced!
Move on folks, there’s nothing here, after 10 munites meandering about weather, trips, books, they kind of get started on the topic, but not really. It’s painful.
In the Eastern view, of India, Tibet, etc, there is no question but that Jesus is God. Nor that you are God, only probably not realized as such, more as potential divinity in terms of realization. After many successive incarnations, the soul gradually puts on full divinity, as that one reunites in supreme consciousness with the omnipresent Lord. Moreover, all are God behind the veil of mortal appearances, all that is. All existence is divine, masquerading as other things and distinct entities, and this is indicated in Jesus's teachings as well. Ultimately, nothing exists but divinity, One vast ineffable Being, in which all beings share as drops in the ocean of pure Reality. The Avatar, one such as Jesus, is the one fully realized as this Reality who takes human form. But we are all, essentially, God in human form. And this is why Jesus said, "Inasmuch as you have done to the least of these my brethren, you have done it done unto me."
Similarly: "In Him, we live, move, and have our Being."
Love it. “I am the bubble, make me the sea.” Aham Brahmasmi.
"Are Ye not god's?"
The Gospel of Mark sounds more like a slightly toned down version of Yeshua’s intended rhetoric.
John is told by the angel in Rev. when he bows down to worship him for some reason, don't do that, I'm a fellow servant and prophet. Ok, didn't John know better? This is the son of man, not ashamed to call you brethren. Rev. 10 and 19, same guy.
31:30 YEP.
IAM
I don't watch Paul's channel but I see him lots in speakers corner and no offense dr. Tabor but he is one of the most dishonest and has bad faith arguments consistently. But he is better interviewer for sure
This is not complete …you are leaving out many scriptures that talk about JESUS the Christ….
A beautiful mythology that inspired so many of the people in the world…..for over 2000 years! It is amazing; because there really is so little factual underpinnings. Then Paul got onto it…well the rest truly is history….at least for Pauline Christians. Most Christians believe that Paul knew Jesus and was one of the original apostles….at least that is how it seems to me. I am a member of the United Methodist Church. I enjoy and sing solos and in choir in the church. I am at peace with the mythology vs what we know based on historians and archeology - but it is not easy. One side bar, without Christianity, we would be missing an incredibly huge body of music in this world. I will say that I am attracted to the teachings of Jesus, according to the gospels, and really that is enough for me. It is not easy to reconcile, but I have tried to do this since I was 30 y.o., and I am 74 now. Thank you for your videos.
What? But it is obvious if you read the Bible it is full of extermination of the other nations to steal land and gain little girl sex slaves , slavery, claims of the end of the world within the lives of of the apostles ( real ones Not Paul). And there is communism ( Acts 2) demanded by Yesuha & Easier for a camel to pass thru the eye of a needle then a rich man to enter heaven . Then there is the horror and murder, slavery and land grabbing using the Doctrine of Discovery by “ Christian’s ‘’. Not worth the overt emotional “Christian” music .
Paul is a fraud and never an Apostle.
A very confident NO. "Biblical Unitarians" have also come to understand that absolutely NO New Testament author, and subsequently 1st century christians, thought that Jesus was literally the God (Yhwh) in any way shape or form.
He was reflective of him, authorized by him, empowered by him, in service to him, his son, his promised Davidic King, but never ever ever him.
That's interesting. How do they take many of the explicit statements in John's gospel?
@tydy5266 Well, there are no "explicit" statements, let alone "many". However most likely you are referring to John 1:1, John 20:28, and perhaps John 8:58 as well.
John 1 they understand to be referring to the Jewish concept of God's "word". His previous statements/promises, his wisdom/instruction, even something like his presence. These things, summed up in the phrase God's "word", became embodied by Jesus. This is well known in scholarship, see Dr. Michael Brown, himself a Trinitarian, but who understands the Jewish background of such a phrase.
John 20:28, they understand to certainly be calling Jesus "God" however they believe this is in a representative sense not a literal one. Thomas finally recognized that the Father was truly in Jesus picking up the theme of John 14:8-18 (how can you say "show us the Father?"). Also, they factor in the Biblical reality that human beings and beings in heaven may also be called "God" as a title like in Psalm 82. Jesus himself references this as an argument against the reasoning of the Pharisees in John 10:33-38 (see also Psalm 8/Hebrews 2:7, see Psalm 45/Hebrews 1:8).
Finally in John 8:58, they think Jesus is speaking of his notional pre-existence in God's plan and mind, not literal pre-existing. It was a popular belief that God pre-planned the world in his mind with 7 things taking priority, one of those things being the Messiah (his name). Note the following excerpt - "the Babylonian Talmud, tractate Pesahim 54a:
Seven things were created before the world was made, and these are they: Torah, repentance, the Garden of Eden, Gehenna, the throne of glory, the house of the sanctuary, and the name of the Messiah. Torah: “The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before the works of old” (Prov. 8:22). Repentance: “Before the mountains were brought forth, of even [before] you had formed the earth and the world…you turn man to destruction and say, Repent, you sons of men” (Ps. 90:2). The Garden of Eden: “And the Lord God planted a garden in Eden from aforetime” (Gen. 2:8). Gehenna: “For Tophet is ordained from old” (Isa. 30:33). The throne of glory: “Your throne is established from of old” (Ps. 93:2). The house of the sanctuary: “A glorious high throne from the beginning is the place of our sanctuary” (Jer. 17:12). And the name of the Messiah: “His name shall endure forever and has existed before the sun” (Ps. 72:17)."
P.S. - Explicit statements are statements like "You are the Christ, the son of the living God" or "All this was written so that you may believe Jesus is the Christ, the son of God" or "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the son of God", or "Tell us plainly, are you the Christ, the son of the blessed? I am."
I have many of the same interpretations as you've stated, however I disagree with the unitarian approach on John 8:58 in context.
They asked "when" had Jesus met Abraham. This is talking about meeting him on a personal level. Interpreting it as "God's plan" is something I've tried to understand, but in light of the surrounding verses it simply doesn't work.
John 10, the Good Shepherd parable draws from several references of the title that God holds as the "Shepherd" of his people.
He purposely parallels Ezekiel 34. There's no other way to render this. It's clear it's not about prophethood.
John 17:5, Jesus prays to once again be glorified with the glory Jesus shared with the Father before the world was created. This suggests an eternal nature. Perhaps you can interpret this as God's plan having glory, but it seems like a reach to take it that way.
Also yes, Jesus references Psalm 82, but he's not identifying himself with the "gods" of that passage. Jesus elevates himself and claims his relationship with the Father is more unique than anything referenced in Tanakh.
Happy to have an in-depth conversation elsewhere if you're down for it because I like to get outside perspectives.
Do you have IG perhaps?
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@tydy5266 I would like to refer you to some Biblical Unitarian resources. You will find all the information to consider there. On youtube, if you search for "Dr. Dustin Smith" or "Sir Anthony Buzzard" you can find their CZcams channels or those featuring them (one is "christianvirtualfellowship"). One Google, you can simply search "Biblical Unitarian" and find a few links, one of which is "restorationfellowship" but may be named "focusonthekingdom" now. These sources are even more knowledgeable then me and more expansive, you can even ask to see if they would communicate with you. However I will still respond, if briefly, below.
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1) (John 8:58) To be honest, I'm actually not certain what John meant Jesus to mean in John 8:58. However, Johns purpose statement at the end of his narrative (John 20:30-31) encourages me in understanding that he is not intending his audience to think that he's claiming to be God. That would be combative to his claimed narrative goal in his purpose statement. Rather, I think it's more persuasive that John is presenting Jesus as claiming to be of more value and rank than Abraham in God's plans. At most we can see John presenting Jesus as pre-existing here, but I think we can run into problems even thinking that (Biblical Unitarians mostly do not think Jesus pre-existed his own birth, like everything else). I'm trying to be brief so I won't go into other relevant factors regarding this topic, however if you'd like to pn your own I'll write them below (Johns theme of misunderstanding, understanding God's name in the Septuagint vs John 8, the greek phrase "ego eimi" and it's use in literature and John, further narrative conflicts both internal to John and external toward the rest of the New Testament).
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2) (John 10) It probably is a reference to Ezekiel. However, same as above, to think this means that John is portraying Jesus is God would conflict with John's own purpose statement. Secondly, scripture is ok with sharing some titles of God. Despite what we may hear in some churches, or from some websites, or from some enthusiastic but mistaken pastors, being granted to share in some of god's titles is not an indication by the author that you are secretly God too. Jesus himself in John 10 says outright "other people authorized and sent by God were called God/God's son and it was ok, why can't I be called God/God's son like them?".
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3) (John 17) At most, this may teach pre-existence but I doubt that too. I think he's asking for the "notional" glory he has waiting for him that is currently "with" God. For example, remember elsewhere where Paul says we too (Christians) were chosen before the foundation of the world for our destiny in Christ, which includes our coming immortal glory. Me and you were not alive before the world began, but in God's mind and foreplans we "existed" and so did our coming resurrection glory and cosmic status. This is very classic Jewish thinking. We too have had our glory waiting for us "with" God since before the world even was.
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4) (Psalm 82)
Yup, in the context of the entire gospel of John and in the context of the entire New Testament Jesus is claiming an even more unique relationship with God, the Father, than all previous agents of God. Pretty obvious.
@tydy5266 No insta rn. Maybe in the future we can chat. I am educated, but Dustin Smith and Anthony Buzzard (among others) are biblically educated juggernauts. Dustin is a PhD. Sometimes they also are willing to have chats (Anthony used to alot). If you are serious about testing your own beliefs/understanding, and learning about why B Unitarians believe what they do, you have all the resources you need out there.
I would like to add I am a former trinitarian and former believer that Jesus is God. Many B Unitarians I know were not born into it, we all had to read our Bible's, pray for truth, and do legitimate or formal academic study into the Bible (ie learning the languages, learning the history the Bible is set in, proper Hermeneutics).
Thanks for your responses, civility, and hopefully genuine humble curiosity.
The truth is plain to hear and see if you love the truth.
YOU'RE NOT TRUTH
Seth Postel
Nobody knows who or what Jesus the Christ was or is or continues to be. We have theories, circumstantial evidence, dubious testaments from people with biases and personal desires. What we do know for a fact is that we have been given new guidance by beings we do not understand. it’s pretty simple. Love your neighbors, do unto others, give aid and help to others. When death comes…. We all hope for the best.
Where are the biases in the Gospels?
The last lines you used are extrapolated directly FROM the gospels
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Mark 14: 61-64
Never read that one before.
@@grantsmythe8625 I'm sorry, I don't know if I had copied the chapter wrong by mistake or if someone had edited it and changed the info I meant to share, anyway the correct chapter and verse should have been Mark chapter 14 verses 61 to 64. Thanks for the heads up :)
@@wrippley103 Well, c'mon now, I knew it was something like that. It isn't the end of the world, is it!!?? Of course not.
Why does God need man to put him up on a pedestal or speak for him for meThat would make this God weak. And also the man who speaks.
More of your opinions as gospel truth no actual evidence or only enough to fool people your invited to your opinion if you state. It as opinion other wise it's misleading
Are you really planning to go to Israel now? Wow. I want to come.
Author of Mark - fooled the world through the telling of a fable. Amazing!
Paul wrote first. Gosh....
@@vegadog3053 if we only had Paul’s writings, it’s quite probable Christianity would look very, very different (if it would had survived).No Christmas, Easter, miracles etc….gosh
@@leighmelnychuk8859 follow the scholarship, don't make up your own history and then berate people's beliefs. Either follow the historical evidence, which means we have a pretty good grasp on the 7 undisputed epistles of Paul, or be a pseudo-historian. If you chose the later, your claims are just as valid as any Christian's belief.
Of these 7, Paul mentions almost nothing of the life, miracles, birth and on and on of Christ. Marks gospel (some of Paul’s writing are evident within) kicked off the ‘story’ of Christ. Not sure how you think I’m ‘not’ following the scholarship. Please elaborate on how you see Christianity without ….Mark (no Mathew/Luke, maybe no John etc)
Jesus is rad
I labored under the impression that Paul Williams was Roman Catholic until Tabor revealed the contrary at video conclusion. I trust Tabor because he knows how to make sure everyone on the good ship Circle Jerk wears matching socks.
John : 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Jesus Is Equal with God
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath,
but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
The Authority of the Son
Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Philippians 2: 5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Colossians 1:15-20 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
The Rider on a White Horse Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Not god?
Likely Joseph of Arimithea is actually Joseph the father of Jesus.
assertions without evidence.
"son" means offspring or descendant.
Or one who carries the spirit of the ‘father.’ Jesus became fully Son of God by the intimate relationship he had with God and his spirit born again by God’s love and those who follow his way will have right to become children of God by doing the same.
@@geoattoronto thanks for the reply. 🙏
It looks to me like everyone comes from the Netherworld, or Abyss. In the beginning, the world, the people, became a wasteland, empty, and void of understanding, because they were corrupted by sin. The Spirit of Christ hovered over the Abyss or Netherworld, their kingdom, and he shielded them as the apple of his eye. As the first Adam, Jesus began his work of salvation. The sin of Adam is when he wields the fiery sword guarding the way to the tree of life on the day of vengeance AS judgment, setting up the abomination of desolation in is, the temple without one stone left standing upon another. Hethen returns from this Holocaust, within the same generation, with the chastisements of God upon him, the just demands of the law according to the spirit, after death, and judgment, so too Christ.
God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law (Gal 4:4 NABO)
the law might be fulfilled in us, who live... according to the spirit. (Rom 8:4 NABO)
Is God unjust, humanly speaking, to inflict his wrath? Of course not! For how else is God to judge the world? (Rom 3:5-6 NABO)
in their unawareness of the righteousness that comes from God and their attempt to establish their own (righteousness), they did not submit to the righteousness of God. (Rom 10:3 NABO)
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Is Jesus God? Sure. There are many gods and many lords. But, for us, there is one God, the Father, David, the Ancient One. The Ancient Serpent of Old has his senses restored, his kingdom returned, and he becomes much greater than before, as the Ancient One of Days taking a seat upon a throne onthe Mount of Assembly. The Son of Man is presented before him and, in a last gesture of his work of salvation, washes his feet. David then subjects himself and his kingdom to the Son of Man. Jesus' sacrifice justifies David when he speaks and vindicates him when he condemns.
the Lord God will give him the throne of David his Father (Luk 1:32 NABO)
Blessed is the kingdom of our Father David that is to come! (Mar 11:10 NABO)
then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father (1Co 15:24 NABO)
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Satan is the ruler of this world. The Father you spring from is the Devil.The king of Babylon is the ruler of the world. The king of Babylon is the Morning Star. David is the Morning Star and your king who will be raised up for you. Abraham set out from Babylon. Jesus addresses Peter as Satan. Jacob is born 'striking' at the heel of Esau, the firstborn, whose blessing is far from the earth. The gates of hell (Netherworld/ Abyss) will not prevail against Peter, the Rock or, Cornerstone, as the one who was healed.
In (Jesus') name this man stands before you healed. He is 'the stone rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone.' (Act 4:10-11 NABO)
I am the root and offspring of David, the bright morning star. (Rev 22:16 NABO)
At this he turned around and, looking at his disciples, rebuked Peter and said, "Get behind me, Satan. (Mar 8:33 NABO)
And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the Netherworld shall not prevail against it. (Mat 16:18 NABO)
You belong to your father the Devil (Joh 8:44 NABO)
now the ruler of this world will be driven out. (Joh 12:31 NABO)
the ruler of the world is coming (Joh 14:30 NABO)
You, O king, are the king of kings; to you the God of heaven has given dominion and strength, power and glory; men... wherever they may dwell... making you ruler over them all; (Dan 2:37-38 NABO)
You probably are not going to agree with my conclusions. After listening to you Dr Tabor , it seems that Mark was written to dispel all the teachings that Jesus was God. I think Mark was written to remind the followers of Jesus that Jesus was a preacher who could be described as a wild teacher, who preached that He was right wnd the teachers in the temple were leading the people in a wrong path. Mark probably was a little wild eye follower of Jesus. To make things worse Paul is teaching that non Jews do not to obey the Torah. I think that Mark ws written in small pages written to make a point about Jesus really was teaching. You read Jesus as telling Peter Shh but I think Jesus was yelling at Peter to shut up. Jesus was a person, that is all. You must read Mark as being in small anecdotes, written to pain a specific picture of Jesus. Jesus was a man, that is all.. And He died.
The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own.
The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story.
It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.
@@termination9353 I don't think you got all your marbles. But I'll defend your right to believe whatever you want. All scholars believe Mark was the first gospel.
@@rico1357 " All scholars believe Mark was the first gospel." No that is a rumor based on misconstruing the evidence. You only have Carbon Dating of these COPIES, and of those COPIES, Mark is the oldest Carbon Dated. It is erroneous to claim the original authorship dates for any of these scrolls. Copy of a copy of a copy and the date you have is of THAT copy that has been left to you in time but does not represent when the original authoring was. All these gospels were plagiarized from the ONE original around the same time as a counterintelligence/ counterevidence against the true testimony. So that the testimony "does not altogether agree".
Read the first verses of Mark which quote the Old Testament regarding the God of Israel (Yahweh) and apply them to Jesus. Then explain to me how Mark does not view Jesus as God in person.
Oh thank you, James Tabor, for telling us what you know, that Jesus and we all are children of God, and you said that Jesus was an anointed, and you have put much effort to get the actual fact, of mark, And no virgin birth of Jesus, which means that Joseph is the actual father of Jesus, wow what a turn of events, I myself have been saying that to people and so I'm correct by saying that, thank you for your words, and Jesus ate so he must have gone to the toilet too, comment you said, and you state that Paul is making statements, that are dream type notion, and Jesus was a profit, telling of God, know of God and you've got the key to the kingdom of God, wow how profound, and that the modern world Christian statement, that, Jesus as God is incorrect, and, the no resurrection of Jesus death, Mathew is quoting wrong statements in our Christians Bible, we have been told of today, that people have changed the writings of Mathew, I feel so much more reassured now, about my feelings I have been having about, the Bible is inaccurate today is changed, that was done long ago, my biggest sadness is why did they, destroy Mathews word's, and tell so many lies with the changes they made, with this Bible that we have today, it's such a tragedy by doing that, disingenuous without our permission, were not reading the real truth anymore, why Mathew is so much questions when you read it today as it is now in the Bible we have today.
You have good intuition as to the truth.
The misinterpretation of the angel's comments and what he is explaining in Daniel 7 is awful. Please be more careful. You seem to be approaching these verses with a bias and/or a presupposition that the early believers didn't think Jesus was the second power in heaven in Judaism (or the second person of God's being). If he never claims to be God, then why does the high priest tear his robes? This agent in Daniel 7 comes on the clouds of heaven, something ONLY YHWH does, and he is given glory and WORSHIP due only to God, who does not share glory OR worship. I question the intellectual honesty of this so-called scholarship.
Mark 1:1 doesn't say, "Son of God" because that would give away the "secret". That's a conspiracy theory. Mark isn't keeping the divinity of Jesus a secret from anybody. The next few verses in Mark 1 reveal that John was making straight the way of the LORD (Jehovah, YHWH). It's a passage right out of Isaiah 40.
Mk 1:3 - The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
(The word "Lord" in Isaiah is the tetragrammaton YHWH (Yahweh or Jehovah). That means, "God", by the way. John was making the path straight for God - i.e. Jesus.
Furthermore, this big "secret" is completely blown in Mark 3 when Jesus commanded the demon to be silent - "And he straitly charged them that they should not make him known." (Mark 3:12)
Mark reveals his "secret" throughout. Some ancient Chinese secret, huh?
Following Christ is to become a revolutionary. That’s heavy.
First of all Iust say thanks I appreciate your youtube-series, especially those on the so-called "eternal soul".
But in this video I suspect some sort of circular reasoning. As a historian your presupposition is the "development" of ideas, so as you take it for granted that Mark's gospel is the earliest, your logical consequences are thereof. It even gives you the "prove" that you presupposition is so!
But if you take the position of some judaistic scholars Mark's gospel might be the latest. Why? Because it is a condensed, a summarized version of the gospel, which can only stand at the end of the story. If so the the lack of some details (I.e. the virgin birth) show that he doesn't repeat what everybody already knows. As you continue (I don't want to say cherry-) picking verses you are not laying out the narrative of the gospel. Mathew wants to show that Jesus is "The prophet" spoken of in Deuteronomy, that Jesus is the better Moses. Looking from this perspective the accentuation of certain stories in Matthew get their meaning. Just comparing synoptical passages completely miss the Jewish background and the intentions of a specific gospel.
Even so your expounding the "son of man" passages. They are undoubtedly an allusion to Daniel. But what is the contemporary Jewish theology of the son of man and what it's development? You completely miss this. As the high priest represents Israel at Yom Kippur, so the son of man represents Israel's being vindicated. And you can sense this theology by the high priest question, "are you the Messiah, the "son of god" "?
Who can forgive sins? Who can heal lepers, who can raise the dead, who can give a law - the answer ist obvious to a jew: only god can!! So who is the Christ?
I believe we westerners with our greek-analytical thinking are missing out so many points because we don't know Jewish culture, logic and thinking - just as the churchfathers did. And by the way, Paul was a Jew who didn't invent anything new.
For comments see Joseph Shula or Seth posted.
Brotherly greetings
This interview is a good example of why *believers need "HE The Counselor/Advocate"* sent in Jesus' Name!
*Mark* and Jesus' Disciples *failed* to fully understand Him!
Hence: 25 “These things I have spoken to you, while I am still with you. 26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, *He will TEACH you ALL things, and bring to YOUR REMEMBRANCE all that I have said to you.* 27 Peace I leave with you; My Peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, *neither* let them be afraid". John 14, John 16:7-13.
I really wish your host would stop leading you to certain conclusions and just let you talk. I’m much more interested about what Mark says than I am about how triggered Christians can get. Lol
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It always seems to be when people are at their lowest when they ‘find Jesus’ 🤷♂️
We know that the gospel writers knew of the other writings that were floating around. To assume the Mark's gospel was the one and only original text is to assume more than any of the gospels reveal. Even the "guess" that the Q writings were around destroys that assumption. It's safer to assume that Mark was aware of other writings just like Luke and John admit knowing. He chose not to include details of those other writings.
Secondly, Mark never says that his account is the complete record and that the reader should empty his mind of any other account. For me to do that would be to put an artificial limit on what I'm reading. Some have stated it this way:
The absence of evidence does not prove the evidence of absence. Did Mark intend to include other details? Who can say that he did or didn't?
Did you not understand what Dr. Tabor explained about how historians look at things?