This is how to properly install or replace your AR-15 gas key onto your carrier for your bolt carrier group or BCG. www.brownells.com 100-018-079WB Bench Torque Tool Kit, 10-85 Inch Pounds - goo.gl/eyc5fB 080-000-638WB Carrier Key Staking Tool - goo.gl/TC5kax Learning Firearms CZcams Channel: goo.gl/fTZ0Z4 ------------- Looking for AR-15 parts? goo.gl/E75RmK
Hey nsz85, I have been building my first AR and I've gotta say, I can't begin to tell you how much assistance your videos have given me. Thanks a ton for the informative, quality videos you put out!
@@nsz85 As per your video on installing a gas key. I noted you didn't apply any liquid gasket. What is your philosophy on that? Nice but can be skipped due to cost or totally unnecessary? Your video on installing an extractor was excellent and very informative.
After watching so many reviews of bolt carrier groups and seeing so many people say they wish the gas key had better staking, I was just thinking last night about checking into seeing if anyone made a jig. Then I see this video today.
Good instructions and video. I do prefer the milled one piece carrier/ gas keys like found on LWRC and HK rifles. LMT used to have milled gas keys also but they decided to cheap out like most everyone else and now stake theirs too.
absolutely great vid'! I love all things mechanical, cars, guns, pocket watches.The movement and the interaction between levers and gears and bolts and screws etc. Electronics can do wonders, but they're just cold and uninspiring to me.I want to see pieces work together almost like a skeleton and muscles, tendons and so forth, is just fascinating and mechanical skills aren't appreciated as much as they should be. I was 'taught' by my dad and my grandfather who owned trucking companies, but who's offices were in the garages, with their equipment. they helped build highways streets curbs Etc. It was fascinating to see my father conceive of something in his mind, and then translate it with ease to his hands and tools to either fix, assemble or improvise and adapt pieces of metal and other materials into what he needed or had to be fixed. He tested tanks before the US entered the war, that were sold to Britain and made by Pullman Standard railroad cars and drove everything that moved on wheels or tracks.Was an 'an-hoc' company armourer on the front lines at Normandy, and the Battle of the Bulge before being captured. M1 rifles, carbines, submachine guns, and Browning 1917's and 1919's of which, he was a squad leader for the gun crews. I love working on this kind of stuff as much as using or driving them. Thanks for these vids, it gives me encouragement to expand my involvement with these mechanical devices. I truly believe that those who design make assemble, and repair or take care of these things actually Infuse part of themselves into seemingly lifeless material parts.
Thanks for the informal video. There are tons of videos & opinions of how to "properly" stake a gas tube. Torquing seems to be the most important part. I've seen so many people say that if its not staked into the rim of the fasteners to the point that rim is deformed then its improperly staked. Thanks again, makes total sense
Love your videos. We obviously share a similar approach to tasks. Research, proper equipment, prepared workspace, attention to execution, a tendency towards anal retention but really it's just a desire to do it right the first time. The Brownells staking tool is a very nice addition to any AR enthusiasts bench, i will have to order one of these for sure. Now, as far as the actual staking, i am not convinced that the material deformation that took place in this video is sufficient to "lock" the gas key screws into position. I will accept that the tool appeared to be used correctly and there was a relocation of bolt carrier material towards and against the gas key hex screws. While pausing your video to get the best possible view of the "staking" performed, I myself would not feel comfortable that the staking was sufficient. Please don't view this as a personal attack. I truly enjoy watching your videos and feel that your channel is simply one of the best for clear, concise, well ordered information regarding all aspects of owning, maintaining and modifying an AR15. If I hadn't had to stake so many parts on Road Racing motorcycles, including a lot of safety wiring, over the years, I wouldn't have the experience to suggest that the staking performed in this video was, IMHO, a little on the light side. Perhaps, a few additional rounds of the staking screws until they cause some deformation of the grade 8 hex screws of the gas key would be sufficient. Sorry if I seem to be splitting hairs, but I believe you can google images of well staked gas key screws and compare them to what we have here and the differences will be readily apparant. Congrats on the channel, looking forward to many more....
In full disclosure, I am one of those guys who critiques and knit picks everything someone does wrong. In this case I would say that you really don't need to torque twice. I would think it takes it out of torque, but... Maybe you did so because you slipped off. I also know that I'm so anal that I double check everything to death. So I'm guilty of it too. I loved the video, I too have not seen a gas key properly staked so this was very informative. Midwesterners are just salt of the earth good people. And most that I know take the time to do things the right way. Great Video, Good job! I am wondering about the comment about permatex and if it's is mil-spec. Not sure, but I Thought permatex was used as anti-seize. I know there are many variants of it, so maybe I'm not thinking of the same stuff. The takeaway for me is that anytime you buy a new BCG it's good to know whether it has been properly staked. I think one I just purchased is not after watching this. So this helps for people to check their new BCG's as well.
I read you can stake your gas block set screws to keep them from loosening up so came on CZcams to see exactly what staking is. And now I know. Thanks!
ARGH! YFS screws!! Should be using Grade 8 with knurled edges to help the staking bite into it. In addition, use Permatex #3 Aviation Forma-a-Gasket around the gas hole in the carrier. Doesn't require huge amount, just an even, light coat completely around the hole. Then lube the screws before putting them in and season them a couple times at about 30 in-lb before tightening to 55-58 in-lb to get proper torque. Won't torque properly if you don't. The Brownell's is a decent staking tool. Torque the pointed staking bolts to 55-58 in-lb, same as the carrier key screws. Should provide good staking without over-staking and creating burrs that have to be removed (with a file) to prevent bolt carrier from scoring upper.
To avoid over-torquing, when it says between 50 and 58, why would you go all the way to 58? There's no room to screw up if you give it too much torque, or if you set it wrong (or your tool isn't 100% accurate). Inch pounds is a pretty tiny measurement.
Great video that answers many questions I've had about this process. I especially like that torque tool being demonstrated. Love your channel! Thanks and Take care
Although I'll probably never perform this operation, I now know whats involved. Great video as usual. Any chance you could show the "in field " version also?
Mine came loose last weekend so I'm looking at videos just to see if there is anything special. Mine didnt have anything between the key and carrier at all. It's odd looking. My key has slots in it like it was staked but the bolts werent touched. Almost looks like a cut out made to line it up and make it easier. I'm going to torque them back up and do it the garage way and see what happens. Worse case it backs off again and I'll make sure it stays.
Thanks for your very comprehensive and well-done video. One of the gas key screws of my Smith&Wesson M&P15 Sport II broke. How should I do to replace it?
YFS fasteners are not really a good choice for gas keys. Thay are very hard fasteners and they tend to fail from the repeated stress of slamming back and forth inside the reciever.
No permatex sealant, using YFS fasteners instead of ocks screws, staking looks kinda mediocre and didn't gauge the inside diameter of the gas key for function. The torque spec used was proper though so there's that.
Again, as I stated in the video, I did this as per the technical manual. If you are interested, this is the product that some manufacturers claim assists with creating a "better seal". goo.gl/33n0ch My privileged information is many reputable manufacturers do not use any sealant or gasket and follow the same process that you see in this video. Rather than using a jig like the one you see me using, they would typically use a more commercial staking process but the results are the same.
I'm a little late to your video but I appreciate you posting this video was wanting to see the staking jig in action I read the comments down below and can't believe how many snowflakes watch these information filled videos and just criticizes the person that took the time to post it and I'm willing to bet they really don't have a clue WTF there talking about I'd like to see one of them put a 1000 continuous rounds thru a non staked bcg with some locktite that would be a video worth heckling
www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/697684_How_to_fix_a_loose_gas_key___with_pictures.html Use Torx Plus head screws and it is about impossible to strip anything out.
@@900stx7 - Really? I'm the knit-pick police and this is not rocket science and c-hair tolerance stuff. So give the guy a break. We are all human and once the screw is properly staked it doesn't make a bit of difference if he barely scuffed the allen screw or not. The only time he'll have to deal with that, if he even does, is if he ever removes that screw, which is highly unlikely after staking. I've see a lot of DIY'ers on utube who should not be coming anywhere near a firearm and this guy is not one of them. He takes the time to do things the right way.
@@pistol777 maybe its just me ? I'm sure his bolt will work just fine. I'm just particular about how i do things. If i was going through the trouble, i would have just spent the extra minute and replaced the buggered up screw.
What's the advantage of building your own bolt carrier instead of buying a pre built one? Is it cheaper or just more fun to do everything yourself? Good video. Thanks for sharing.
I enjoy learning and understanding things more in-depth. I like to ask why and I like to do things myself if I can either for the challenge or for the sake of learning. I still go to the grocery store to buy chicken, but I have also raised and butchered my own. Know what I mean?
nsz85 ..... tbh ... there's NOTHING you can place under the KEY to act as a seal/ that the high pressure gas wouldn't blow out first round. ( I'm just saying )
Where did you get a plastic ring bound copy of the TM? I’ve searched and haven’t had any luck. Hell, I can’t even find an 8.5x11 pdf so I could make my own...
@@850spirates3 I'm planning on doing all of the above. However, I have to ask what have you found is the best way to apply the 27010? Obviously there isn't much room there. So it's pretty important to not get carried away and end up getting the 27010 where you don't want it.
@@nastystang113 yes, don't get carried away with it. I always use the thread locker with a qtip and spread over the bcg only. Then place the key on top and give slight pressure down on the key. I make sure to run a pipe cleaner thru the key to make sure there isnt any in the hole. Wait 30 mins or so then apply locker to bolts tighten down with in/lbs torque wrench. Wipe any excess off and in an hour its rock solid. 24 hour full cure time. GTG. I've been doing it for a long time with no fail rates. I do suggest good American steel keys and bolt from BCM. 20 bucks for quality is a no brainer
i had just got a ruger $650 ar and my bolt carrier group is not staked should i do it my self & do i need a vice it dose not seem like it just need the kit for it?
dammond696 I would be better if your gas key was staked. The staking tool in this video is nice, but not really necessary. Do a little research and you will find plenty of info and video's doing it with just a punch or chisel. I used a chisel to do mine and many thousands of rounds later its still holding tight.
Hey I've watched over 15 videos trying to figure out what size hand gueard should i get for a 10 1/5 barrel and a 7 1/2 barrels sbr...do i go a size over...under???
1in under will let you run a muzzle device with a flash can, suppressor, etc. one of my ars has an 11.5 barrel with an 11in barrel n i cant run a surefire warden with it. but theres a pretty big gap between the warden n the handguard on my 16.5in with 15in handguard... 1in shorter seems about right... imo. hope that helps.
Excellent video, thanks. I saw you use YFS screws and someone had mentioned that they are inferior and from Asia. Is this true? I have YFS on my carriers and haven't had any issues. I know Y/M uses them and they are considered the best BCG'S. Your thoughts? Thank you.
juggernaut429: You might want to take a look at Instructor Chad who has his own line of instruction videos. For an example try czcams.com/video/bmsFGTDZrKU/video.html where he mentions his favorite screws at about 12:25. In other videos he talks about not liking YFS but I couldn’t find that one.
@@escapedfromnewyork Yes, I now agree and use only US made McMaster-Carr Torx head screws on all my BCG's. Red loctite on the threads and high temp gasket seal on the bottom of the key. Thank you for the response.
I would suggest cross posting to Rumble. As a verified content creator, you can simply sync your CZcams content and it will automatically upload. CZcams isn't a fan of informational videos regarding this subject, and they make no guarantee that they will preserve your videos in perpetuity. The wrong admin finds them and they will delete them. Rumble does guarantee your work will at least exist and they got funded recently to advance their platform, to the tune of $400M.
$80 bucks for the brownell's jig. For the guy that does one of these every few years, seems like its alot of money to spend. Is there a way to do the staking without the jig? I see getting the jig if you are doing a few a day as a smith or armorer, but for the regular guy that shoots 1k rounds a year, doesn't seem like it is a good purchase.
YFS fasteners are not to be used for a gas key Chinese pot metal junk. Looks like the front fastener started to strip already other than that use permeated to create a seal god job on everything else
who is going to be crazy enough to buy a staking jig that costs $60 or more to do the job for one time! just crazy! there has to be a much cheaper alternative!
I'll completely re-key your carrier for $35 which includes the key, non-yfs grade 8 screws, and proper staking with a MOAKS tool. The bownells tool doesn't even do that great of a stake job
YFS(Fang Sheng Scew Co.) screws are in fact Taiwanese but are made to spec.. Although I would rather have other screws, I have yet to see any problems with them(but have heard of problems)
Great video. After watching this even an all thumbs guy like me could do this job. I liked everything about it. Ignore the whiners, don't change a thing! Thank you very much for these videos.!!!!
+k88hendrix 12 minutes to give detailed instructions on installing 2 fasteners correctly on something to do with the reliability and safety of a firearm.
Your narrative is way too flamboyant for me. Your too repetitive....I can barely stand to listen to the video. Listen to yourself on the video and count how many times you repeat things you say....jeeeeesss. Ill never watch another of your videos.
absolutely great vid'! I love all things mechanical, cars, guns, pocket watches.The movement and the interaction between levers and gears and bolts and screws etc. Electronics can do wonders, but they're just cold and uninspiring to me.I want to see pieces work together almost like a skeleton and muscles, tendons and so forth, is just fascinating and mechanical skills aren't appreciated as much as they should be. I was 'taught' by my dad and my grandfather who owned trucking companies, but who's offices were in the garages, with their equipment. they helped build highways streets curbs Etc. It was fascinating to see my father conceive of something in his mind, and then translate it with ease to his hands and tools to either fix, assemble or improvise and adapt pieces of metal and other materials into what he needed or had to be fixed. He tested tanks before the US entered the war, that were sold to Britain and made by Pullman Standard railroad cars and drove everything that moved on wheels or tracks.Was an 'an-hoc' company armourer on the front lines at Normandy, and the Battle of the Bulge before being captured. M1 rifles, carbines, submachine guns, and Browning 1917's and 1919's of which, he was a squad leader for the gun crews. I love working on this kind of stuff as much as using or driving them. Thanks for these vids, it gives me encouragement to expand my involvement with these mechanical devices. I truly believe that those who design make assemble, and repair or take care of these things actually Infuse part of themselves into seemingly lifeless material parts.
The milspec is to use permatex to seal the key to the carrier before bolting/staking.
What kind?
This is how to properly install or replace your AR-15 gas key onto your carrier for your bolt carrier group or BCG.
www.brownells.com
100-018-079WB
Bench Torque Tool Kit, 10-85 Inch Pounds - goo.gl/eyc5fB
080-000-638WB
Carrier Key Staking Tool - goo.gl/TC5kax
Learning Firearms CZcams Channel: goo.gl/fTZ0Z4
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When it comes to the AR platform there is no better channel on youtube period! Thx NSZ!
Haha thanks!
Hey nsz85, I have been building my first AR and I've gotta say, I can't begin to tell you how much assistance your videos have given me. Thanks a ton for the informative, quality videos you put out!
+WRARRior I'm happy I could be of assistance 😊
@@nsz85 As per your video on installing a gas key. I noted you didn't apply any liquid gasket. What is your philosophy on that? Nice but can be skipped due to cost or totally unnecessary? Your video on installing an extractor was excellent and very informative.
After watching so many reviews of bolt carrier groups and seeing so many people say they wish the gas key had better staking, I was just thinking last night about checking into seeing if anyone made a jig. Then I see this video today.
:-)
Good instructions and video.
I do prefer the milled one piece carrier/ gas keys like found on LWRC and HK rifles.
LMT used to have milled gas keys also but they decided to cheap out like most everyone else and now stake theirs too.
Very interesting, I've never seen that done before.
I am glad I could show ya!
absolutely great vid'! I love all things mechanical, cars, guns, pocket watches.The movement and the interaction between levers and gears and bolts and screws etc. Electronics can do wonders, but they're just cold and uninspiring to me.I want to see pieces work together almost like a skeleton and muscles, tendons and so forth, is just fascinating and mechanical skills aren't appreciated as much as they should be. I was 'taught' by my dad and my grandfather who owned trucking companies, but who's offices were in the garages, with their equipment.
they helped build highways streets curbs Etc. It was fascinating to see my father conceive of something in his mind, and then translate it with ease to his hands and tools to either fix, assemble or improvise and adapt pieces of metal and other materials into what he needed or had to be fixed. He tested tanks before the US entered the war, that were sold to Britain and made by Pullman Standard railroad cars and drove everything that moved on wheels or tracks.Was an 'an-hoc' company armourer on the front lines at Normandy, and the Battle of the Bulge before being captured. M1 rifles, carbines, submachine guns, and Browning 1917's and 1919's of which, he was a squad leader for the gun crews.
I love working on this kind of stuff as much as using or driving them. Thanks for these vids, it gives me encouragement to expand my involvement with these mechanical devices. I truly believe that those who design make assemble, and repair or take care of these things actually Infuse part of themselves into seemingly lifeless material parts.
I love how you do these really in depth projects, although I would rather buy a complete BCG from BCM or Spikes.
Thanks! There is certainly nothing wrong with purchasing BCGs. I purchase mine too.
Thanks for the informal video. There are tons of videos & opinions of how to "properly" stake a gas tube. Torquing seems to be the most important part. I've seen so many people say that if its not staked into the rim of the fasteners to the point that rim is deformed then its improperly staked. Thanks again, makes total sense
Make sure you have the allan wrench tool bit placed all the way in the screws before you start torquing as well otherwise you will mar the screws.
Just FYI, Next time torq in increments, maybe 20, 35, then 58. Works better.
Love your videos. We obviously share a similar approach to tasks. Research, proper equipment, prepared workspace, attention to execution, a tendency towards anal retention but really it's just a desire to do it right the first time. The Brownells staking tool is a very nice addition to any AR enthusiasts bench, i will have to order one of these for sure. Now, as far as the actual staking, i am not convinced that the material deformation that took place in this video is sufficient to "lock" the gas key screws into position. I will accept that the tool appeared to be used correctly and there was a relocation of bolt carrier material towards and against the gas key hex screws. While pausing your video to get the best possible view of the "staking" performed, I myself would not feel comfortable that the staking was sufficient. Please don't view this as a personal attack. I truly enjoy watching your videos and feel that your channel is simply one of the best for clear, concise, well ordered information regarding all aspects of owning, maintaining and modifying an AR15. If I hadn't had to stake so many parts on Road Racing motorcycles, including a lot of safety wiring, over the years, I wouldn't have the experience to suggest that the staking performed in this video was, IMHO, a little on the light side. Perhaps, a few additional rounds of the staking screws until they cause some deformation of the grade 8 hex screws of the gas key would be sufficient.
Sorry if I seem to be splitting hairs, but I believe you can google images of well staked gas key screws and compare them to what we have here and the differences will be readily apparant.
Congrats on the channel, looking forward to many more....
In full disclosure, I am one of those guys who critiques and knit picks everything someone does wrong. In this case I would say that you really don't need to torque twice. I would think it takes it out of torque, but... Maybe you did so because you slipped off. I also know that I'm so anal that I double check everything to death. So I'm guilty of it too. I loved the video, I too have not seen a gas key properly staked so this was very informative. Midwesterners are just salt of the earth good people. And most that I know take the time to do things the right way. Great Video, Good job! I am wondering about the comment about permatex and if it's is mil-spec. Not sure, but I Thought permatex was used as anti-seize. I know there are many variants of it, so maybe I'm not thinking of the same stuff. The takeaway for me is that anytime you buy a new BCG it's good to know whether it has been properly staked. I think one I just purchased is not after watching this. So this helps for people to check their new BCG's as well.
I read you can stake your gas block set screws to keep them from loosening up so came on CZcams to see exactly what staking is. And now I know. Thanks!
Good information. Tough to watch 8:40 where the torque bit in not inserted fully and the front fastener gets chewed up.
ARGH! YFS screws!! Should be using Grade 8 with knurled edges to help the staking bite into it. In addition, use Permatex #3 Aviation Forma-a-Gasket around the gas hole in the carrier. Doesn't require huge amount, just an even, light coat completely around the hole. Then lube the screws before putting them in and season them a couple times at about 30 in-lb before tightening to 55-58 in-lb to get proper torque. Won't torque properly if you don't. The Brownell's is a decent staking tool. Torque the pointed staking bolts to 55-58 in-lb, same as the carrier key screws. Should provide good staking without over-staking and creating burrs that have to be removed (with a file) to prevent bolt carrier from scoring upper.
To avoid over-torquing, when it says between 50 and 58, why would you go all the way to 58? There's no room to screw up if you give it too much torque, or if you set it wrong (or your tool isn't 100% accurate). Inch pounds is a pretty tiny measurement.
That also is the SHEER LIMIT OF THE CARRIER KEY SCREWS.
AT 58 inch pounds, you create the MAXIMUM LIMIT FOR the Screws to SHEER.
Great video that answers many questions I've had about this process. I especially like that torque tool being demonstrated. Love your channel! Thanks and Take care
Need to put grade 8 Allen bolts then stake them. You'll never have problems afterwards. Good info keep up the good work.
Although I'll probably never perform this operation, I now know whats involved. Great video as usual. Any chance you could show the "in field " version also?
Mine came loose last weekend so I'm looking at videos just to see if there is anything special. Mine didnt have anything between the key and carrier at all. It's odd looking. My key has slots in it like it was staked but the bolts werent touched. Almost looks like a cut out made to line it up and make it easier. I'm going to torque them back up and do it the garage way and see what happens. Worse case it backs off again and I'll make sure it stays.
Was yours not ejecting the rounds?
love all the stuff . just need more of it, thanks Doug
that is excellent workmanship, my gas key has a flat spot on the tube
Can you tell me ware I can get your armor’s manual that you have
Good vid. Got a bcg that has crap staking, so I’d like to do this
Thanks for your very comprehensive and well-done video. One of the gas key screws of my Smith&Wesson M&P15 Sport II broke. How should I do to replace it?
remove gas key, follow the video.
Just buy a new bcg haha
there is NO sealer that will hold back the heat and pressure of gases coming into the key.......
just make sure key has a FLAT surface (using a stone)
YFS fasteners are not really a good choice for gas keys. Thay are very hard fasteners and they tend to fail from the repeated stress of slamming back and forth inside the reciever.
I've had those YFS bolts snap off before made in Taiwan. Checks out Forward Design Controls OCKS premium gas key bolts better than Grade 8.
I cringed when I saw "YFS" as I've heard stories of those shearing on gas keys.
Their ok for something like my Railscales but besides that I prefer American made screws and I've been switching out to Titanium screws for some parts
No permatex sealant, using YFS fasteners instead of ocks screws, staking looks kinda mediocre and didn't gauge the inside diameter of the gas key for function. The torque spec used was proper though so there's that.
What about the sealant? BCM, DD, Noveske use a sealant under the key to prevent any potential gas leaks to ensure its sealed air tight.
People usually do lap the gas key and/or use sealant to help seal the gas key well.
Again, as I stated in the video, I did this as per the technical manual. If you are interested, this is the product that some manufacturers claim assists with creating a "better seal".
goo.gl/33n0ch
My privileged information is many reputable manufacturers do not use any sealant or gasket and follow the same process that you see in this video. Rather than using a jig like the one you see me using, they would typically use a more commercial staking process but the results are the same.
I'm a little late to your video but I appreciate you posting this video was wanting to see the staking jig in action I read the comments down below and can't believe how many snowflakes watch these information filled videos and just criticizes the person that took the time to post it and I'm willing to bet they really don't have a clue WTF there talking about I'd like to see one of them put a 1000 continuous rounds thru a non staked bcg with some locktite that would be a video worth heckling
Excellent explanations and videography, thanks!
Great job!I've learned so much from you're videos.
Dave would be proud
Sir what kind of torque tool are you using? I would like to buy one like yours!
So alot of companies dont stake their bcgs what is really the difference between staked and unstaked assuming i keep the fasteners tight?
were can i purchase the book ¿
takes skill to round an Allen head :) ....like to see someone do the field/repair staking
www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/697684_How_to_fix_a_loose_gas_key___with_pictures.html
Use Torx Plus head screws and it is about impossible to strip anything out.
Haha! You can actually see when it takes place in the video. It is after I double check the torque and the bit slips. I never claim to be perfect ;-)
M Blake Jr
I noticed that too.
If your going through the trouble, you may as well replace that messed up screw.
@@900stx7 - Really? I'm the knit-pick police and this is not rocket science and c-hair tolerance stuff. So give the guy a break. We are all human and once the screw is properly staked it doesn't make a bit of difference if he barely scuffed the allen screw or not. The only time he'll have to deal with that, if he even does, is if he ever removes that screw, which is highly unlikely after staking. I've see a lot of DIY'ers on utube who should not be coming anywhere near a firearm and this guy is not one of them. He takes the time to do things the right way.
@@pistol777 maybe its just me ?
I'm sure his bolt will work just fine.
I'm just particular about how i do things.
If i was going through the trouble, i would have just spent the extra minute and replaced the buggered up screw.
What's the advantage of building your own bolt carrier instead of buying a pre built one? Is it cheaper or just more fun to do everything yourself? Good video. Thanks for sharing.
I enjoy learning and understanding things more in-depth. I like to ask why and I like to do things myself if I can either for the challenge or for the sake of learning. I still go to the grocery store to buy chicken, but I have also raised and butchered my own. Know what I mean?
nsz85 ..... tbh ... there's NOTHING you can place under the KEY to act as a seal/
that the high pressure gas wouldn't blow out first round. ( I'm just saying )
This is perfect timing! Thank you!
Sure thing! :-)
nsz85 Who would dislike this information, oh yeah perhaps the zombies that support Hitlery
Haters gonna hate.
Ancapistan fren
Fewer companies are properly staking gas keys these days. WTFO?
Where do you get a copy of the tech manual?
Jeff Cooper the internet
Excellent Process. Your the Man!
Ha! I don't know about that...
Awesome. Thank you for sharing.
You are welcome!
Great video!! Crisp and clear!
I have that staking tool. Amazing.
When you stake is there any certain amount of pressure you need to apply?
Where did you get a plastic ring bound copy of the TM? I’ve searched and haven’t had any luck.
Hell, I can’t even find an 8.5x11 pdf so I could make my own...
Very nice, video quality is awesome
+Charles Bayles thanks!
That is weak staking on that bolt carrier key. Better off using a punch and hammer.
I was thinking the same thing. It doesn't look very secure and perhaps he should have staked a touch deeper. And yes, a punch and hammer will work.
All staking is improper and the process should be eliminated.
PickCity1474 stacking isn't needed, permatex 27010 red thread locker and 56 inch pounds. Permatex per milspec my friend.
@@850spirates3 I'm planning on doing all of the above. However, I have to ask what have you found is the best way to apply the 27010? Obviously there isn't much room there. So it's pretty important to not get carried away and end up getting the 27010 where you don't want it.
@@nastystang113 yes, don't get carried away with it. I always use the thread locker with a qtip and spread over the bcg only. Then place the key on top and give slight pressure down on the key. I make sure to run a pipe cleaner thru the key to make sure there isnt any in the hole. Wait 30 mins or so then apply locker to bolts tighten down with in/lbs torque wrench. Wipe any excess off and in an hour its rock solid. 24 hour full cure time. GTG. I've been doing it for a long time with no fail rates. I do suggest good American steel keys and bolt from BCM. 20 bucks for quality is a no brainer
where did u go brother, no more videos??
terrific video. Thank you!
What kind of vise you got there?
Love your videos! Where do you get that technical manual?
I am glad you enjoy them! Thank you for watching :-)
Thanks! I have one that needs to be staked but I don't want to buy the jig. Wanna do it for me?
I appreciate you wanting to give me the opportunity but I will have to decline. A gunsmith local to you should be able to perform the task.
That stacking tool is nice, but unless you plan on assembling lots of carriers a punch or chisel will work fine.
Oof. Vid needs to be updated. No Permatex or green Loctite and YFS screws.
Thanks for this!
That staking jig costs too damn much! It should be $20 not $60
A totally unneeded tool. A punch and hammer work fine.
So the fastener/bolts don’t need to be deformed themselves??
I was wondering that myself. Ive heard so many say yes & so many say it doesn't matter. Lol🤷♂️
This tool makes the Key look like puddy.. So simple and effective.
i had just got a ruger $650 ar and my bolt carrier group is not staked should i do it my self & do i need a vice it dose not seem like it just need the kit for it?
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I would be better if your gas key was staked.
The staking tool in this video is nice, but not really necessary.
Do a little research and you will find plenty of info and video's doing it with just a punch or chisel.
I used a chisel to do mine and many thousands of rounds later its still holding tight.
Hey I've watched over 15 videos trying to figure out what size hand gueard should i get for a 10 1/5 barrel and a 7 1/2 barrels sbr...do i go a size over...under???
1in under will let you run a muzzle device with a flash can, suppressor, etc. one of my ars has an 11.5 barrel with an 11in barrel n i cant run a surefire warden with it. but theres a pretty big gap between the warden n the handguard on my 16.5in with 15in handguard... 1in shorter seems about right... imo. hope that helps.
definitely did thanks
What manual is that?
Do the gas key ever go out i have a dpms just like to now new to ar15 ?
Its possible but not probable unless the gas key was manufactured wrongly or assembled badly
Excellent video, thanks. I saw you use YFS screws and someone had mentioned that they are inferior and from Asia. Is this true? I have YFS on my carriers and haven't had any issues. I know Y/M uses them and they are considered the best BCG'S. Your thoughts? Thank you.
juggernaut429: You might want to take a look at Instructor Chad who has his own line of instruction videos. For an example try czcams.com/video/bmsFGTDZrKU/video.html where he mentions his favorite screws at about 12:25. In other videos he talks about not liking YFS but I couldn’t find that one.
@@escapedfromnewyork Yes, I now agree and use only US made McMaster-Carr Torx head screws on all my BCG's. Red loctite on the threads and high temp gasket seal on the bottom of the key. Thank you for the response.
WELL DONE! get it lol steak, well done
I would suggest cross posting to Rumble. As a verified content creator, you can simply sync your CZcams content and it will automatically upload.
CZcams isn't a fan of informational videos regarding this subject, and they make no guarantee that they will preserve your videos in perpetuity. The wrong admin finds them and they will delete them. Rumble does guarantee your work will at least exist and they got funded recently to advance their platform, to the tune of $400M.
good job
You're supposed to apply a gasket maker between the carrier body, and the gas key. Otherwise a good video.
$80 bucks for the brownell's jig. For the guy that does one of these every few years, seems like its alot of money to spend. Is there a way to do the staking without the jig? I see getting the jig if you are doing a few a day as a smith or armorer, but for the regular guy that shoots 1k rounds a year, doesn't seem like it is a good purchase.
good video
YFS fasteners are not to be used for a gas key Chinese pot metal junk. Looks like the front fastener started to strip already other than that use permeated to create a seal god job on everything else
How about something new. Been a long time since you uploaded a video.
Cool video
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who is going to be crazy enough to buy a staking jig that costs $60 or more to do the job for one time! just crazy! there has to be a much cheaper alternative!
+F James I do it more often than one time.
Im going to re stake all of my BCG,s
I'll completely re-key your carrier for $35 which includes the key, non-yfs grade 8 screws, and proper staking with a MOAKS tool. The bownells tool doesn't even do that great of a stake job
its kinda dumb the way they designed it to stake the key you wreck the top of the bolt,that looks messy and unfinished.
Lol ok
I see your point but I also feel the need to mention you really only need to remove the gas key when its broken
those yfs screws are tawainese junk man get you some better screws
When may I expect to receive said "better screws" from you?
YFS(Fang Sheng Scew Co.) screws are in fact Taiwanese but are made to spec.. Although I would rather have other screws, I have yet to see any problems with them(but have heard of problems)
Does brownells really sell yfs fasteners for gas keys? Eww
Great video. After watching this even an all thumbs guy like me could do this job. I liked everything about it. Ignore the whiners, don't change a thing! Thank you very much for these videos.!!!!
12 minutes to install 2 screws
+k88hendrix 12 minutes to give detailed instructions on installing 2 fasteners correctly on something to do with the reliability and safety of a firearm.
you just said the same thing
For christ sake get on with it man!
Waste of time I put jb weld on mine them fuckers will never back out
Yeah that’s not properly staked lol
Shit stake job.....
that staking is not right at all it needs to be slightly over the bcg also use red loctite dude cmon
Your narrative is way too flamboyant for me. Your too repetitive....I can barely stand to listen to the video. Listen to yourself on the video and count how many times you repeat things you say....jeeeeesss. Ill never watch another of your videos.
E Irizarry it's an instructional video. Things are repeated so that aren't missed. Troll
absolutely great vid'! I love all things mechanical, cars, guns, pocket watches.The movement and the interaction between levers and gears and bolts and screws etc. Electronics can do wonders, but they're just cold and uninspiring to me.I want to see pieces work together almost like a skeleton and muscles, tendons and so forth, is just fascinating and mechanical skills aren't appreciated as much as they should be. I was 'taught' by my dad and my grandfather who owned trucking companies, but who's offices were in the garages, with their equipment.
they helped build highways streets curbs Etc. It was fascinating to see my father conceive of something in his mind, and then translate it with ease to his hands and tools to either fix, assemble or improvise and adapt pieces of metal and other materials into what he needed or had to be fixed. He tested tanks before the US entered the war, that were sold to Britain and made by Pullman Standard railroad cars and drove everything that moved on wheels or tracks.Was an 'an-hoc' company armourer on the front lines at Normandy, and the Battle of the Bulge before being captured. M1 rifles, carbines, submachine guns, and Browning 1917's and 1919's of which, he was a squad leader for the gun crews.
I love working on this kind of stuff as much as using or driving them. Thanks for these vids, it gives me encouragement to expand my involvement with these mechanical devices. I truly believe that those who design make assemble, and repair or take care of these things actually Infuse part of themselves into seemingly lifeless material parts.