DEBATING THE ARNOLD CLASSIC | Fouad Abiad, Iain Valliere, Mike Van Wyck & Paul Lauzon | BC
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- DEBATING THE ARNOLD CLASSIC | Fouad Abiad, Iain Valliere, Mike Van Wyck & Paul Lauzon | BC #157
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I love the fact that Fouad and Iain doesn’t agree it makes for a better show neither of them is a yes sir nor a no sir !!! lol
And that’s why so many ppl watch 😊
And guys if Fouad didn’t root for his friend/athlete to win even when he doesn’t
He wouldn’t be a very good friend now would he!!
That’s why we all love this show. They demonstrate how our country at large should behave. Imagine that. Just a group of meatheads right? Wrong. 💯 with ya man.
Huge shout out to Iain for being spot on with his analysis of physiques and not scared of going against Fouad’s biased takes
💯💯💯💯💯💯 Love Fouad but he's SO biased and STUBBORN. Sometimes he gets on Ian and doesn't even rebut IV"s takes and gets short with him especially when he realizes Ian is 100% right and it seems like he just has an issue admitting he's wrong. Fouad one of my favorite people out there but he gets so defensive sometimes and I don't get it. Lol.
@@matthewpinson4208he admits hes emotional and stubborn. They all know too. And now that theyre all really good friends hes just actin how he acts.
Iain's analysis was bang on throughout this episode. I wish Fouad would hear him out more, especially when discussing Samson
Fouad never hears him
I hear him, I don't agree. Very simple.
@@FouadAbiadahahahahhaha true true
Agreed on Iain's analysis.
Fouad is bias
I love how Fouad is questioning Iain around 1:08:00 ish, as if Iain didn't just destroy him on predictions. Iain is so much better at analyzing physiques.
And he’s so dismissive! Iain is being perfectly nuanced, not overstating the case and pointing out specific elements of the physiques to compare. To just dodge his points and roll his eyes is so disrespectful. Fouad just seems bummed out and tired on this pod, everyone has bad days. He deserves some grace
Whenever he said horse Md’s waist wasn’t an issue in some poses in the episode before the Arnold I lost it 😂 Iain was spot on about it
I completely agree with Iain on the front lat
Iain backed up EVERY SINGLE one of his opinions/critiques and does EVERY SINGLE TIME. Perfect analysis everytime.
@@JohnSmith-eo2yxnot that deep. They’re friends and they just got back from arnold weekend. Prob just burnt out
Iain nails his analysis, and respect for not getting swayed. I agree 100% with all of it.
Honestly I only listen to bro chat now to hear Iain analyze physiques and shows. Non biased, non bull shit, just cut and dry.
He talks like a man who truly loves the sport more than any individual competitor
Ian as usual bang on with his analysis. No bias at all!
Agree with Iain, Rafa is very comparable with Samson. Sorry Fouad, you r probably a bit biased😂
55:25 Iain understands this shit so well man, thank you Iain! 🔥
I agree with Ian on Rafa/Ssamson debate.
me too.
There isn't a human on earth, that isn't part of the HOSSTILE team, that doesn't agree with Iain here to be honest.
Fouad has been so wrong about Rafa for 3 months lol
and still in denial lol
It's incredible that Fouad always tries to discredit Rafael Brandão. I think this is something more than a simple opinion.
He’s very impartial, or blind !
Fouad's entire role in the podcast is to disagree so he gets people talking, he's doing a good job in that sense, if he wasn't there the rest would just agree and podcasts wouldn't last nearly as long, Mike Van Wyck barely speaks, Ian speaks too much sense, Paul is there for laughs and giggles lmao
It’s crazy
1:53:30 Again, I agree with Iain on this one. And so does Tyler according to his video. I seriously don't like how those other judges have treated Breon, and I don't like Fouad discrediting everything for "flow".
Urs is a fan favorite = Better promotion for the IFBB
Urs is on the podcast = Fouad is going to like him a bit more
Simple
All you need is shape 😂😂😂😂 this podcast is getting ridiculous fouad is getting insane.
Yeh that’s a really bad take.. Breon looked outstanding.. he’s just in the land of the giants and his quads don’t have enough sweep., urs shape isn’t pretty at all
Iain has crazy potential when it comes to judging. His ability to look and judge what's in front of him is unparalleled on this podcast in my opinion.
Facts
I agree with Iain on Rafa front shots being very close to samson.
Iain knows a lot about judging and breaking down physics. This episode especially, he was bang on flawless. He should either comment shows or judge them. That’s definitely his calling, besides being a renowned track-star of course.
Couldn’t agree more. Thank God he was on this episode otherwise I don’t think we’d have gotten nearly as much of an athlete by athlete breakdown…which is what I was most looking forward to!!! I love hearing these guys’ assessments and debates! Marine Mike 🇺🇸 💪
Agreed, iain is my go to guy in the podcast when I need help with issues related to Newtonian mechanics and thermodynamics.
I disagree with Fouad completely. I don’t think it was close at all. I think they ran them through 4 rounds because they wanted to see if Samson would close the gap at all and sharpen up.
It wasn’t Tyler manion even said it
Thats a possibility but even if thats true that still means it was close enough for them to attempt that. If it wasn't close they wouldn't have bothered.
@@FouadAbiad That IS a fair argument... 100%
did you expect them to do just one round and be done? that wouldn’t have been a good show
scorecard shows that it wasn’t even close
@@FouadAbiad Tyler said there was no need to compare pose for pose in this show because it was obvious right away. I would recommend watching his video
Why was Fouad being such a prick to Iain in this one😅
Cause he’s a prick lol why do u think he’s got so many burned bridges
It's the Dumbass lil dog stressing him 😂😂
Think he was just too tired and easily agitated haha happens to everyone... Just happy it really wasn't 30 mins 😂
Because he was wrong all the way
I hope you mean Fouad and not Iain@@mariohermes2115
Fouad, come on bro, it wasn’t close at all. I get it, Samson is your guy, but even Tyler Manion Said it wasn’t close. They did those rounds for the crowd, that’s about it.
They've never done four rounds for the crowd. It was close for someone on that panel.
@@FouadAbiad the scorecards and the lead judge say different. And let’s face it, if it was Hadi on the loosing end, you wouldn’t even bring up it being “close”. I respect you having your guys back though.
@@TakinProfit It doesn't matter who the two bber's are that they're comparing. It is very rare to see two guys compared 4x back to back. IMO that doesn't have unless there is some level of uncertainty somewhere on the panel.
Yes you're right, the head judge could have been 100% sure but someone else on the panel needed more time. Unless it was all for show.
@@FouadAbiad Arnold has mentioned several times that he values posing and hates unconditioned people who can't pose, it therefore makes sense that they would make 2 of the best posers go through the ringer to earn best poser and most muscular awards. Not to mention the hype it provides the fans, thats what they are there to see after all.
@@FouadAbiad The fact that Hadi got straight firsts and Samson got straight seconds along with the fact that the lead Judge said Hadi won without a doubt leaves no room for debate or speculation on the subject. Add to the fact that everyone in the world who saw that live stream could clearly see it wasn’t close , (except for you I guess) and it’s clear that you’re biased. Nothing wrong with it, Samson is your guy, I get it, you have both personal and financial incentive to be biased, But let’s not be delusional, or disingenuous by trying to fool viewers into thinking it was anything other than what it was, Samson was defeated handily, and I say that as someone who was rooting for him to win.
Anyhow, huge fan of the podcast. Keep up the great work! 👍
Sorry Fouad but De La Rosa is 3 points not 2 😅 22 points same of Jay
And he has not a single placing correct, therefore he lost the bet
His punishment should be taking a weekend to figure out how the Excel is actually supposed to work 😂
@@tylerforget7649😂 it was killing me seeing him summing the points
I spotted that too. Iain said it and he pretended to not hear. 😅😅
Fouad tied with J. Please ask Summer to show you autosum in excel. Like the easiest thing in the world. Saves time and zero room for error
Iain keeps it real. Rafael was sharpest in the show besides Hadi
Iain is always on point when analyzing and breaking down the physique.
Fouad needs to listen more and stop riding the Samson train so much. It’s annoying and we all see it.
Where exactly did I "ride the Samson train" where i was inaccurate?
@@FouadAbiadThe comparisons with Rafa on the front poses. It is completely wrong to say that Rafa had nothing on Samson which you did say.
Iain was absolutely correct. The front poses were very close and Samson was losing on some of them. From the back, Samson completely blew out Rafa.
You failed to acknowledge that simple fact.
@@muhammadfahimwasee7552 I did say that you're right. I don't think Rafa is better than Samson on those poses. I still stand by that, that doesn't mean I'm "dick riding" lol
At 11:39 Fouad counted his score wrong. Placed Delarosa in 7th and he came in 4th. On spreadsheet it should’ve been a 3 and not a 2. Jay and Fouad both tied for last
Let’s not forget Paul was going to swap his top two and Fouad talked him out of it by threatening to tell Samson on him lmfao
Ya that must be why he kept it. SMH.
@@FouadAbiad It literally was why he kept it but I was just shit talking man no harm intended lol
“I only got 30 minutes in me” -Fouad *is on for 2.5 hrs** 😂
Tbf idk if he had 10 minutes in him, he was just floating through this one
I think Paul is a solid stand-up guy . He will do his best in judging the show without bias
I’m with iain, I think the front shots are closer than people think with Rafa and Samson, exclusively the front shots 1:07:00
Fouad glazing Samson as usual
@@Brose_Canseco yea his waist seems wider, more bubbly lately, still really good, front lat is not a pretty shot for him imo. Still clearly better but Rafa is getting really good
@@Brose_Canseco Dude, its not bias just because I think Samson is better. He is better. His score was better and he placed bettter. Its not really a debate.
@@cuminyermumcome on man thats harsh😂
Hadi made improvements that I thought would have been impossible for a guy his age.
This late in a bodybuilders career you don't expect them to show with a waist that is clearly smaller and legs that are clearly larger(or at least have the illusion of looking larger).
Lol Hadi is younger than Samson m8.
Hadi is only 36 he's in his prime. Samson is older, so I'm smdh ...why people keep saying Hadi is old
Iain was totally right about breon and urs .
Fouad argues with Iain sooooo much bro. Iain saying he was there at the Arnold watching breon and said when he was there he had him winning allllll he was doing was showing a video to try to have fouad see what he saw and fouad is saying that it’s a bad representation of who is better. What do you what home to do fly breon over to his house and show you or something 💀
Thats the fun part of the show ;-)
Fouad, just chill, it’s ok to agree with Ian sometimes. You’re stubborn and you know it 😂
Fouad was aggravated in this one
I get Samson is fouad's athlete but to be honest Fouad is really bias sometimes. Fouad always want Samson to be dominant over others. Fouad really doesnt like when someone is close to Samson. Also when Samson doesnt win Fouad always want Samson to be super close to the winner.
Not sure if it’s said later on in the podcast but Fouad scored himself wrong, he was off on Delarosa by 3, not 2. Fun maths fact: the scores always add up to an even number
Jeez Fouad gets so defensive. We all love Samson but he’s allowed to get critiqued like everyone else 😅
I wonder what Mike thinks about when Iain and Fouad argue for 35 minutes. Does he just black out and think about uncrustables or is he thinking “guys, shut the fuck up” haha
Can you please bring back the time stamps even tho it takes time it makes the video 10 times better
Samson has a midsection issue. Very soft, and no control in his abs. He will get punished for it soon. Is Fouad seeing something no one else is seing?
Ya except the judges who placed him.
Preface this by saying I’m only a couple minutes into the episode. But remember that time when Fouad said during prejudging that it was probably a one point difference between Hadi and Samson 😂
Iain knows bodybuilding . He can be a very good judge , pro judge . He can judge bodybuilding and classic phisique . Breon was better than Urs , i believe Iain . 👍 Much respect for Iain , great bodybuilder and has a good analysis on the shape of bodybuilders , he can be a great judge .
Been waiting for this to drop! Thanks gents
Seeing you four on a thumbnail when I opened this app put the biggest smile on my face. I love the podcast, esspecialy when it’s the squad.❤
Ive been here since your first podcasts of just you talking about anxiety and your career with no one else on the podcast. Its been great to see how it has transformed
Fouads bias while he was commentating was ridiculous, clearly favored Samson to a fault. Really took away from the show that he couldn’t be objective when it wasn’t close at all.
Clearly favoured Samson even though I said Hadi was winning? Not sure how that works.
Dude what was Fouad on this one? Dude was giving the craziest comments and came at iain so hard.
Iain showing his judging skills to boost his judge career haha reminded me of Tyler Manisons recaps.
Couldn’t agree more with Iain about Urs vs Breone
100% with Iain on this Rafa debate.
“There not measuring body parts for the winner” come on bro.. Breon had it..
Are you ok, Fouad? Seemed a bit in a bad mood in this one :/
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Found and crew ! So glad I got to meet you Guys at the Arnold and thanks for the pics ! Fouad you stepped out of the booth to get a quick pick with me while I was in line thank you so much ! 🤘🏼
I like Fouad, but I'm with Iain on classic physique criteria
Saying Rafael Brandao looks like a rectangle is one of the most insane bodybuilding takes I have ever heard lol.
mike not being top left, iain not being bottom left, and paul not being bottom right instantly started bugging me. i either love this podcast, or im autistic. probably both.
No hate or shade but I’m glad Samson is leaving Milo’s. They did great things but his vision what he wants to see vs what’s rewarding to be me Olympia is just different. Samson has no issue being big he needs someone who can get him diced not just focus on his size and structure
New ep finally !!!! Loves the Arnold booth
Thanks for the podcast guys!
Pisses me off that Fouad can't seem to acknowledge Samson's flaws, it just makes me dismiss more of his judgement, he says that the only issue Samson has is conditioning, which, is not true, Rafa had clearly a better set of arms, delts, more flaring lats from the front, striations on his chest, better midsection definition and control. Do i think he should have beaten Samson? No, but i think a former pro and a big bodybuilding personality should have a more nuanced analysis than "Samson bigger".
If Rafa had "clearly better" anything he wouldn't have gotten straight 3rd's. You seem to think viewpoint is bias when in fact its the same viewpoint of the judges.
So is it bias or is it correct? Samson and Hadi were clearly separated from the rest of the pack, hence why they judged them separately.
@@FouadAbiad You are assuming that my logic is > better bodypart = better overall, wich is not true. The scoring doesn't reflect the nuances that go into judging. By that logic, it would be the same thing as saying Samson should not have gotten straight second because his arms are better than Hadi's
@@WexChannel Thank you, I think I understand how judging works. I don't agree that Rafa is better than Samson except maybe in the shoulders. You can have your opinion I can have mine.
@@FouadAbiad Sure man, all love
Fouad is seeming very dismissive of Ian..like every time ian opens his mouth, cutting him by way of finishing Ian's statements smh..
I kinda agree with Fouad on the Rafa vs John debate, Rafa wasn't close to the top 2, but Akim placed ahead of John in the finals so it's safe to say that Rafa was closer to the top 2 than John was to Rafa
Love hearing Iain's opinion.
Hell yeah just got home from training back- a meal, a bowl and bro chat to start a great day💪🏼 Always appreciate the content fellas!
I would like to offer Fouad a custom Excel sheet for scoring competition points.
Instead of manually calculating the offsets.😂
Got a cardio session due. So will watch this
Rafa is comparable to Samson and Breon should of been third in this one, completely agree with Iain,
Finally dropped
Can't wait
Been waiting for this.
Not sure why you don’t just pull up the final results when tallying points 😂 you don’t have to keep questioning placement. Can take it even further and make the code for you to just enter the final placements and the software will run the calculations itself.
i was just looking for something good to watch, right on time
Love this crew, look forward to this podcast!
That prayer at the end had me DEAD!😂😂
Never miss an episode ❤
Youre only favouring Samson as your athlete. As Manion said it wasnt close. It was great judging
Manually adding things on Excel is giving me anxiety. Other than that, amazing show as always lol
So painful!😂
You would think that at some point while building HOSSTILE he would learn how to use Excel :)
Finally!!! I needed this!!!
Perfect timing on the elliptical
Guys, Fouad and Jay had the same points, Delarosa in Fouad list is given 2 instead of 3 points!!!
Fouad doesn’t get enough credit, my man has paved the way for bodybuilding podcasts and CZcams. Never stop Hoss🫶
100%. Leading the industry
💯
100%
Fouad is the Joe Weider of this generation
Pretty sure he gets credit all the time
Brandao’s shape is way better than Samson’s
It's incredible that Fouad always tries to discredit Rafael Brandão. I think this is something more than a simple opinion.
I hate to say it but Ian's right Rafa wins the upper body in that front double bicep. biceps are much more shapely. Lats have much more sweep than Samson. I noticed that knot in Hadis glute from the side too I thought it was a sight injection then I realized it was just one of his thick glute striations!🤯
Loved the results in classic. I was pulling for Sampson in open
Enjoyed the training talk about heavy weights. When you’ve lifted for 10+ years you’ve become a virtuoso that can do spontaneous solo riffs and connect perfectly with the rhythm like a great musician. No need to follow text books at that stage of excellency.
Great work on the Arnold stream commentary Fouad, hope to see more of this…I was just waiting for you to ask Janet and DJ some BC fan questions 😅
A lot to get into! Boys are back!
Thanks fouad for taking the time to meet me at the Arnold you were so nice man thanks :)
You can do the math to calculate the placings off by using a formula with reference to the actual placings, would make it a lot more easier, quicker and avoid mistakes
Perfect timing, Fouad. Will watch this during my flight.
Less goooo!!!! Good work guys, great content over the weekend! Hope Samson is all good and gets better asap.
Surely the Sam sulek panel was recorded???
Just listened to this all the way through, another amazing podcast Fouad!
Hasn't even been out long enough to be able to do that haha
@@suprempuk you're a punk thug
Been waiting for this pod 🙏
They call Milo’s “Biased” coach. Fouad is the ultimate “Biased” Boss/owner but in the best way possible.
I‘m at work right now but I will be high as f*ck watching this later
Iain is right regards to the front lat. Samsons front lat looks awkward as hell. Rafa not too far behind. Fouad sounded super rattled
Fouad is malding, Rafa was very close to Samson.
no.
hearing that intro song gets my blood pumping!
With his showing at this Arnold Classic, Hadi made it into the Mount Rushmore of Bodybuilding, like, legendary status. Samson is on his way to achieve the status as well, just needs a little bit more time
I really don’t blame people for speculating with Samson. He was extremely low in that string of videos. I think he was run down emotionally and physically but he said a lot of doomsday statements. Hinting at retiring, an urgent visit to the hospital, haters on his family, rethinking his career/life, and pushing himself dangerously beyond his limits to battle with Hadi. I’m glad he’s okay but he said a lot:
Yeah, the response online was pretty dramatic but his video kind of lent itself to that reaction
Are we sure your dog isn't named Arnold's?
LOL😂
Analysis would not be worth watching without Iain! He is most real & knowledgeable by a mile 👏
I think episodes where Mike is more involved are my preference. When you guy argue over the most minute details Mike is bored to death😅😅😅
Analyzing their conversations, you see a pattern where Mike is more inclined to interfere with, and directly answer, Paul and Iain more than Fouad. If the talking order is Fouad - Paul - Mike, for instance, Mike would be a more active speaker than if it’s Fouad - Mike for instance.