Weapon X - Barry Windsor-Smith's psychedelic, outlaw Wolverine origin
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Regarding the coloring. BWS hated the colouring in the collected edition. Marvel used the seps from the original series, but BWS had chosen those colours knowing they'd be on newsprint and be muted. If it was up to him, he would have re-coloured the trade, accounting for the new paper, but Marvel collected the series without his input.
I remember he said that he would have recolored it but Marvel didn't seem to care.
The reprints always look horrid. It reminds me of how gameboy advance games used bright palettes because the developers expected screens to not be backlit.
I love berserker rage James Rugg going off on complacent graphic designers.
He's so right! I have a similar bland, cropped image, black background ugly cover for my edition of God Loves, Man Kills. It's embarrassing that they published it.
He's not wrong lol we'd all have benefited if he was on that meeting where that cover was approved.
The suggestion that this is a Frankenstein story is reinforced with the Weapon X ending where the monster, in this case Wolverine, escapes into the arctic, as in the original Frankenstein novel.
Thats cool. Never thought of that.
I am so glad that I’m not the only one who was confused by the ending of the book. In fact, this is the first Kayfabe cartoonist’s video that I’ve ever watched. And I watched the entire video to hear your thoughts on the ending of the story.
One of the most beautifully drawn series of comics ever. I'm ashamed of myself that I didn't appreciate this art when I was little; when this first came out.
lol 100% agree and same here but there's no need to be "ashamed."
Jims rant on the trash cover for the trade 😂😂😂😂😂
You know what's better than a new CF video?
Not watching for a week and having a few hours of quality content pile up to binge.
OMG when Jim just layyyyys out the cover direction team for the weapon X book with the terrible cover it's utterly priceless lol
Jim railing against terrible design is the best!!! :D
Get 'em, Jimmy!
so fukkin good! " Shame on you! shame, shame shame!" DEep Sigh hahahha
There's a really awesome issue of Uncanny by BWS where he does a Weapon X style origin sequence for Lady Deathstrike's cyborg form. One of my all time favourite issues from that era.
205! I read it last weekend, amazing!
@@leonardokula5742 Wolverine 205?
Do you remember the part suggesting that Apocalypse was behind the Weapon X program ?!
57:12 This might be my favorite Kayfabe moment ever. Thank You Jim!
Honestly, I want Wolverine's debut in the MCU to be just like this, a hard R slasher horror movie with him as the slasher villain going after a group of scientists in the facility. The only problem though is for that particular movie concept I can't imagine anyone except Hugh Jackman playing him, and he's done.
Thank you for highlighting all of the finest art of old, that deserves all of our attention, from Frazetta to Mike Golden!! Hopefully your informative videos will remain cemented in the CZcamsverse for generations.
Can you guys spotlight the old Marvel Cards by Fleer and other companies... those cards had some fine art!
Perfect video! Like always! Wolverine is my favorite character and this comic, for me, it's his second best, only behind the Wolverine minisseries by Claremont and Miller. I dare to say that is my favorite comic of all time in artwork, it's just so perfect, the details, the colors and the emotions on the expressions and body language. Very touching to see a hero like Wolverine being treated like trash by the scientists. And by the way, you guys complained about the TPB cover, here in Brazil, where I live, the TPB hardcover is very beautiful. The cover is the issue number 79, with details that shine the helmet and claws. The logo also respects the Weapon X with the Wolverine font. Just amazing! I cannot post the image here, but if you guys want to research, look for "Wolverine Arma X Panini Comics" and you will find it!
BWS is the MAN and my favorite artist, the best wolverine artist hands down....Uncanny X-men #205 & 212 are the greatest covers of all time and got me into comics in the 80s...and definitely the greatest Wolverine covers/art. This Weapon X series is so underrated! I bought them all of the stand when they came out
Really great video! As much as I love early John Byrne, no one is better than Barry Smith in my opinion. He has evolved , thrived in over 50 years of artwork. Weapon X and Conan for me are his magnum opus.
Love this! One of my favorite comic ever. BWS is just amazing! Thank you guys for the walkthrough! U Rock!
I remember getting MCP off a news rack in a smoke shop because my comic book store didn't carry them for some reason. Reading Weapon X in those pages was a singular experience that I haven't had before or since in any medium. This wasn't just a Wolverine story...this was BWS taking the medium on his back and helping to blaze the way to make an artform of storytelling.
I remember seeing these from my uncle’s collection before I could even read. The images and art style stick with me to this day... so beautiful.
He wrote his Thing April Fool's Day story in Marvel Fanfare #15 which came out in 1984 so Weapon X is not his first script.
The subplot you mention about the Prof reporting to someone larger was actually supposed to be a future story based on the Claremont idea that Apocalypse was responsible for Weapon X. It was supposed to imply that it was Apocalypse of his organization that the prof is talking to.
It is a shame that story never got finished.
Issue 82 was my intro to this raw storyline too! Love yall videos, these are the type of topics I wished were taking place at the lunchroom table. Thanks guys for these awesome retrospectives...
I completely agree about that late reprint what a despicable cover! Devoid of skill and thought. The first tpb printing had an awesome cover
Jim’s “shame” rant will never get old. Mostly because its true!
Barry Windsor Smith is releasing a new graphic novel after 15 years and that is 35 years in making.
360 pages!
His magnum opus.
@@Mort7an Cool
44:21 Man, Dwayne Turner. Is it me, or is he highly underrated? I fell in love with his artwork on his really short Wolverine run. I think it was issues #70-73, I've since looked for more of his work. I picked up one of the issues on a whim from the quarter bin a few years back, and have since sought the rest of the run, even ordered a trade that had them in it, just so I can look at his artwork from those issues more often.
I loved Marvel Comics Presents. BWS is always a treat and this story is one of my favorites. Thanks for sharing guys. You rock.
You talked about Kent Williams..... Could you please do "Wolverine & Havok: MeltDown" some time in the future? Love that art and writing! By the way, good job! And greetings from Brazil :)
Meltdown is so amazing!
I became obsessed with BWS Storyteller when it came out. I got the two TPB of Freebooters and Young Gods, which had unpublished chapters. The Paradoxman TPB never came out, another in a long line of unpublished BWS projects. I hope you guys cover these one day. I'm excited that his Monster GN is finally going to see the light of day.
I first read this in late winter 1992. I had been reading the Wolverine series and had to find these issues. I gotta say it messed with my head. I read all the issues on a Sunday morning laying on my top bunk with the radio playing and it just hit me.
The last issue makes sense especially in light of the overall colors in the open for interruption ambiguity. Additionally, Marvel was really just presenting visual tasty treats that's why the redundancy of it doesn't translate in a trade paperback. They hit their target audience young boys growing up on video games etc. Awesome time to be alive- growing up in the 80s/90s was the peak for childhood nostalgia I can't imagine any generation that had a cooler time to transverse.
Next review X-Men #205, greatest X-Men issue ever!
The Lady you talk about who helped BWS with the colors could be Linda Lessman (now Lessman-Reinholds)
Good job bros👍,still remember when I first found these comics as a kid,lost my damn mind!,I can easily say that the WEAPON X series TRULY made me the huge WOLVERINE fan I am today,THANKS!
What a treat! Thanks for covering such an incredible comicbook 👌🏻👌🏻
I loved Barry Winsor Smith's works!!! I did not know about this stuff... thank you.
I have all these in a graphic novel and it's sitting on my book shelf, I will definitely check it out.
I remember reading in a BWS interview, that he had 60 extra pages for Weapon X that didn't make it into the comic.
After watching this video I was inspired to go back and re-read this work. I opted to but the individual issues of MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS from Comixology as opposed to the trade collection because I wanted all the other stories that JIm and Ed mentioned (Captain America by Steve Ditko, Daredevil by Marshall Rogers, etc.). BUYER BEWARE: the individual issues on Comixology are $.99 each but ONLY contain the Wolverine parts!
This was awesome. Gonna head over to my local comic store to pick these up.
Barry Windsor-Smith magic through and through.
To hear Jim be as mad at them over that trash cover on the TBP reprint as me was so cathartic thank you. I spent quite some time looking at that cover in anger and disgust until i was able to locate a first printing
BWS work is so beautiful and inspiring. This definitely my favorite comics short series and I'm working on putting the set together.
Jim Rugg ringing the "Shame" bell!
The solid background looks great, really frames the books - the other one is a bit busy. Love the channel, great job!
Guys I discovered your channel today and as comic books and their craft addicted I'm totally in love with what you do!
How come there is no Black & White deluxe version of this story, I would love that !!!
I remember hearing of an oversize b&w version published in France a while back. I think we need a big book, like the monster-sized Marvel collections.
I had to google search to see if there was one. This needs either a new version with more true to original colors or Black and White version.
We need a Stephen platt moon night run vid like this
I really like the visual presentation of your channel and of your content like this. It's a really simple but fitting style that is true to the medium your discussing - comic books - but also the perfect visual language for the medium you are using to share your ideas and discussions - ie youtube. I have respect for anyone who can stay minimal while being original and still standing out from the pack. And for anyone who doesn't think the quality of their content is directly tied to the number of post-production hours spent in After Effects
I bought 5 issues of weapon x from a garage sale in like 1991 for a buck a piece when I was like 10. That's what got me started reading comics.
Looking through Kayfabes that I've missed and this one delivered! Having read the Swedish translation I realize the edited out a lot of things. If I remember correctly, this was followed up with a Wolverine story where he's an X-man deciding to go on a solo mission to dig out what was real and what the true story of Weapon X really is. Nice one!
"SHAME!!!!" Damn right on that lackluster logo! You guys rock! I'm so glad I came across you guys.
I got these issues recently, found them quite cheap at my LCS two weeks ago.
His Iron Man issue would be worth an episode.
I saw a photocopy of Jim Lee's pencils for the X-men/Lady Deathstrike sequence you mention in this video. There's a notation by Jim on one of those pages in the pencils to the effect of 'This is my tribute to BWS'.... So, yeah, you're seeing it in Jim's stuff bigtime.
that ending adds so much more depth to the story. great sci fi story!
My understanding is Barry Windsor-Smith won't sign copies of the trade paperback reprints because he hates how the color looks on the glossy paper.
Can't blame him, looks like Willy Wonka's shit
Awesome stuff, now I wanna buy these. I still love Red Nails though.❤
It's no competition. Enjoy both.
The Werewolf by Night vs Sabertooth story in this series was also amazing
this is peak Marvel comics content.
Videos like this remind me why I love this channel.
Jimmy going all Feral Wolverine on the bad graphic design on the trade cover is priceless... & I agree with every word & sentiment he expressed.
I was drawing for Marvel UK in the early 90's (around the time this story originally appeared in Marvel Comics Presents) & I had just finished one mini-series, quit my day job working in commercial illustration (based on the assurance that there was going to be no shortage of work at MUK) & was about to start work on my next book when the operation axed all new UK generated content & returned to a re-print only model. All us freelancers were all promised an 8 pager in 'Presents as a kind of sweetener & door opener to US Marvel. Fortunately for me, before my 8 pager came in I had already started work on US titles like THOR & The Avengers so I was ok.
This book reads like a force of a nature. It's a brutal, primitive, but cognizant piece of work.
Just picked up the graphic novel collection. Not read it yet, but Christ is the art gorgeous!
It's the best origin story.
Guys-- the recolor of the new version is not "reprinted from the original". It's a new digital job done from zero imitating the original coloring by BWS. The values and saturation are completely changed. They ruined the new version and that's the one future generation will have the most access into.
This was the definitive Wolverine story. Finally gave backstory to Logan that kept up with the short pieces we got since the 70s. This is beautiful. The details are fucking insane.
IT WAS ALL A DREAM! I used to read marvel magazines!
It was a set aside thing that came around when magneto ripped his Adamantium. It set the scene! It was a subtext!
Wolverine is cool and all.... but I'm so fucking old I remember a Marvel Universe without him... Wolverine always was 2nd generation Marvel... your kid brothers favorite character... you know, Marvel Jr.,
LoL...
That being said, this has always been a favorite of mine. And it took BWS to get it done. If you think about it, the character is a lot like Conan, mysterious pass, likes to chop people up and all that shit...
Fucking great channel... keep this shit going... y'all have become a part of my day now...I'll apologize in advance....I can be a bit of a pain in the ass but that's just because I like you....
I really prefer the newsprint colours. The super-saturated colours are garish.
I just bought the Paper back of the complete sage, was very confused about the ending until I watched the video.
Some great Jim Rugg Shame! Hilarious!
The white lettering done back in the day was usually done by lettering normally and then getting a reverse stat of it.
Got this in a Walmart 7-pack last month reprint!
His abduction scene is insane.
I loved Barry Smith artwork on Conan the Barbarian (as well as John Buscema). I have most of the books books but I don’t have Weapon X. Definitely going to seek out those comics!
The human anatomy is perfect in these drawings
That Rugg rant on his trade paperback's bland cover design. Right on! 😂
I miss these books. Some of my favorite. I loved Excalibur too.
I was looking into buying the tpb a while back and was appalled at that cover as well
I still got most of these
I think it's absolutely tragic that BWS has been so absent from Comics for so long. He is one of the giants and yet has been much less prolific than the other greats.
Love the BWS love. He’s the best. A living legend. Gush
Well the Wolverine Origins series gave those answers
Wow I bought this MCP comic run 2 weeks ago. BWS rules.
100% agree with Jim's Cover Rant!
Issue 72 looks like a X-men Grand Design cover.
Jim Lee inked BWS on the Deathmate comic.
Yes! I say hell yesss!
Very timely! A classic!
29:35 Love that Iron Man write up for page 17 "When multi-billionaire industrialistS Tony Stark..." lol, it's like the writer has a lisp.
Awesome review. How about one on the Machine Man limited series/TPB by Barry Windsoe Smith. I love that one :-)
9x12 ...thanks Mr Piskor. Scooby~Doo mystery solved.
Professor X looks like Mr. X!
36:46 that style of piping on the outside of the sleeve and pant leg of the soldiers is something that *everybody* copied going forward to this day
I have the TBP of weapon x, one of the jewels on comic book art
i love these.. i have the 1st appearance in near mint
I can't believe there isn't a way to collect this in hardcover with the original colors.