1260S is fantastic. I do not like the looks of the V4 without the panniers, the mounts are too visible and the single arm rear suspension is way cooler on the outgoing 1260S model. The Desmo torque is addictive in the 1260, I can ride along very fast friends on sport bikes and even took it to the track. My two cents, Ducati Multistrada is awesome regardless of V4 or 1260 engine differences.
I’ve got a 1260 enduro with 30 litre tank get 600 kms plus Termi exhaust, re-mapping now 169 hp and 140 Nm of torque and absolute beast and the 1260 looks better
Crazy that people can’t remove their saddlebags. Dealer needs to demonstrate the proper method of bag removal. Nothing wrong with the bag attachment points.
Bike of the Year. No question. But it's important to mention that to invoke the radar and blindspot features, there's an additional $850 fee (excluding labor and taxes), that is 'not' covered within the MSRP. Aside from the panniers being easier to remove, their main new benefit is they no longer fall over when you put them on the ground! The MTS is much faster than the old bike in roll-on tests, which highlights the V4 spins up faster and the gearing is better too. The Full model is more expensive than the travel and radar, but gets a dedicated paint scheme, carbon front mudguard, and homologated Akrapovic exhaust canister.
Um the key fob feature you talked about...? Same thing as the old bikes. If you want to unlock the bags or the tank... ya need to pop out your key and do it... otherwise if you are just jumping on and off the bike... same as 2010.
What a beautiful bike. I had one about years ago but stuck with my roadglide. Sure do miss the weight difference between these Duckati and the big Harley touring bikes.
The V4 S sacrifes performance, handling and fuel econmy. To get a 17 in front wheel and signle side swing arm you have to spend close to 32 K to get a V4 Pikes Peak. More torque at a lower rpm is a huge advantage for the 1260 S. I have 25 k miles on my 2020 1260 S and have averaged ~ 50 mpg. The V4 has an advantage for off-road riding.
“I’m going to take my Ducati multistrada off road” -said no one ever. That’s what BMW and KTM is for. Losing that v twin Ducati sound is going to be a bummer.
actually, there is a lot of off roading marketing involved to the ducati, probably on the states will not be as common, but one of the most important off road school in colombia uses ducati (Capital Riders), and here in spain the Ducati team, took a group of people that i know and make them do some crazy off road stuff (cabras sobre ruedas, twin trail, trail dreamer) you can look them up, and they all have something good to say about the ducati off road, being all of them KTM riders... so maybe it will impress...
@@MotorDanko very interesting. Most people in the states wouldn’t even consider taking a multistrada out for any kind of off roaring. We consider them more of a sport tourer here. I don’t see many of them at all out and about. BMWs and KTM to a lesser extent are king here.
@@JonBecker81 yes, there is a lot of people, I can say over 90% that will consider the multistrada a sport tourer, but the same people with put a 1250 gs on the same bag...
Both are great.. the v4 is spawned by emissions. 1260 is lighter , quicker and handles better! Mileage is night and day! 1260 mid 40mpg all day! The v4 is very low 30s mpg!!
To answer the title of the vid. Its not. The 1200, specifically 10 to 15 was the last itteration of the 1198 that was worth a shit, especially if you want to tune it, or have it last. Mines a 13, tuned, makes the V4 look weak with its piddly "170hp". Sure the new bikes got all the fancy suspension and goodies, but that engine breaks the deal for me.
i'll take the old one.. why the engine is better build... you shut off a cylinder you'll have tons of problems... look at gm/chevy when they did that with there v8 problem after problem after problem..... no thanks....reliability with no PROBLEMS!!!!
its ducati, you don't put "reliability" and ducati on the same sentence... they are nice built bikes, but they always have a ton of stuff going on... and more stuff means more thing to fail, even the old one.. it could look simple on the side of the new one, but is not simple at all.
Cylinder deactivation is already used without issues on all Ducati V4 straddle engines (Panigale / Streetfighter), it reduces a ton of heat compared to the MTS 1260.
Old Multistrada? Neither of these bikes has any chance of getting me off of my 2004 1000DS Multistrada as my two up bike. It's a lot better off road too.
It seems the main reason reviewers are getting such low gas mileage on the v4 is that they are whacking the throttle open a lot more often. I saw a video of some guys that did a road trip with one on a 1260 Multistrada and the other on a v4, and they said the range per tank was about the same.
The internet is a wash with reviews of the Multistrada V4 and some BMW or other European so called premium or exotic bike but they never seem to mention why these manufacturers constantly run at the bottom of the customer satisfaction and reliability tables .Have i missed something ? or is reliability not important anymore ?
I realize this is an old comment but my 2010 Multistrada passed 70000km today. Other than the useless Brembo rear brake, completely trouble-free. Much better quality all around than my 2016 Africa Twin.
Definitely not the new one! Cylinders deactivation, heavier, MPG, 8sec from key-on to engine run, 60K km service myth with no sense, much lower torque and power compared to GT with DDS kit...maybe wait till next revised model...
I love it; they want to sell you a motorcycle with features that aren't active. Yet. Never, ever buy anything with the promise of features coming later. And remember, this company is owned by Volkswagen Audi.
I had a 2015 Multistrada. It was a POS. The Skyhook suspension wanted to do tank slappies at moderate cornering speeds. The throttle maps let any old lady in a Prius out drag me at the lights, but once in a while would go bananas wheelieing me into the car in front. At 5,000 miles there was a pile of metal filings on the oil pan drain bolt, the longest 3/16 inch. The clutch slave cylinder leaked so it had to be bled every month. The cost of maintenance and repairs was ridiculous. I now have a 1290 SAS. Better in every way. I hear VW wants to sell Ducati. Pity the fool who buys it.
1260S is fantastic. I do not like the looks of the V4 without the panniers, the mounts are too visible and the single arm rear suspension is way cooler on the outgoing 1260S model. The Desmo torque is addictive in the 1260, I can ride along very fast friends on sport bikes and even took it to the track. My two cents, Ducati Multistrada is awesome regardless of V4 or 1260 engine differences.
Excellent! I’ll take both.
I’ve got a 1260 enduro with 30 litre tank get 600 kms plus Termi exhaust, re-mapping now 169 hp and 140 Nm of torque and absolute beast and the 1260 looks better
I have the same ands it’s an amazing bike but I tested the v4 and it’s also an amazing bike that feels so easy to ride as it was a bycicle…
You don’t really need to service the valves that much as long as your belts are good
Crazy that people can’t remove their saddlebags. Dealer needs to demonstrate the proper method of bag removal. Nothing wrong with the bag attachment points.
That is exactly what I was thinking. Getting 2018 1260s with like 10k worth of accessories.
Please do a review on the new KTM 1290 Super Adventure S.
Bike of the Year. No question. But it's important to mention that to invoke the radar and blindspot features, there's an additional $850 fee (excluding labor and taxes), that is 'not' covered within the MSRP. Aside from the panniers being easier to remove, their main new benefit is they no longer fall over when you put them on the ground! The MTS is much faster than the old bike in roll-on tests, which highlights the V4 spins up faster and the gearing is better too. The Full model is more expensive than the travel and radar, but gets a dedicated paint scheme, carbon front mudguard, and homologated Akrapovic exhaust canister.
Um the key fob feature you talked about...? Same thing as the old bikes. If you want to unlock the bags or the tank... ya need to pop out your key and do it... otherwise if you are just jumping on and off the bike... same as 2010.
What a beautiful bike. I had one about years ago but stuck with my roadglide. Sure do miss the weight difference between these Duckati and the big Harley touring bikes.
Lol please tell me you didn't pick the pile of junk Harley over a Ducati.
Fuel range is a downside of the new bike vs the old from what I understand. Anyone have experience with this?
ohhh yes! I Had one V4. and now a 1260S! another world!
Really nice review Kase.Very informative and professional.Look forward to you guys reviewing the bike in California.
Be careful on your California trip. We have sunny roads , beautiful beaches, and top notch restaurants all day long. You may just decide to stay!
Problem is that restaurants and beaches have been closed in the Republic of Cali.
Seems like TFL needs to relocate their bike department to a sunny state for year round ride impression reviews. ;)
I don’t think they have enough of a following for a stand alone thing like that.
The V4 S sacrifes performance, handling and fuel econmy. To get a 17 in front wheel and signle side swing arm you have to spend close to 32 K to get a V4 Pikes Peak. More torque at a lower rpm is a huge advantage for the 1260 S. I have 25 k miles on my 2020 1260 S and have averaged ~ 50 mpg. The V4 has an advantage for off-road riding.
“I’m going to take my Ducati multistrada off road” -said no one ever.
That’s what BMW and KTM is for. Losing that v twin Ducati sound is going to be a bummer.
actually, there is a lot of off roading marketing involved to the ducati, probably on the states will not be as common, but one of the most important off road school in colombia uses ducati (Capital Riders), and here in spain the Ducati team, took a group of people that i know and make them do some crazy off road stuff (cabras sobre ruedas, twin trail, trail dreamer) you can look them up, and they all have something good to say about the ducati off road, being all of them KTM riders... so maybe it will impress...
@@MotorDanko very interesting. Most people in the states wouldn’t even consider taking a multistrada out for any kind of off roaring. We consider them more of a sport tourer here. I don’t see many of them at all out and about. BMWs and KTM to a lesser extent are king here.
@@JonBecker81 yes, there is a lot of people, I can say over 90% that will consider the multistrada a sport tourer, but the same people with put a 1250 gs on the same bag...
Both are great.. the v4 is spawned by emissions. 1260 is lighter , quicker and handles better! Mileage is night and day! 1260 mid 40mpg all day! The v4 is very low 30s mpg!!
1260 more beautiful bike..
To answer the title of the vid. Its not. The 1200, specifically 10 to 15 was the last itteration of the 1198 that was worth a shit, especially if you want to tune it, or have it last. Mines a 13, tuned, makes the V4 look weak with its piddly "170hp". Sure the new bikes got all the fancy suspension and goodies, but that engine breaks the deal for me.
Give me an older Pikes Peak with all Ohlins and the 1299 motor!
Just a quick question. Has anyone seen a Multi proper offroading lol?
My V2 pikes peak 2014 is the best.
Cylinder deactivation never makes a better vehicle. No matter who implements it. Especially Italians.
Ducati is German, owned by Volkswagen
Yep German ownership now with the Audi group filtering down electronics from their cars.
i'll take the old one.. why the engine is better build... you shut off a cylinder you'll have tons of problems... look at gm/chevy when they did that with there v8 problem after problem after problem..... no thanks....reliability with no PROBLEMS!!!!
Isnt that feature optional?
its ducati, you don't put "reliability" and ducati on the same sentence... they are nice built bikes, but they always have a ton of stuff going on... and more stuff means more thing to fail, even the old one.. it could look simple on the side of the new one, but is not simple at all.
@KTMARV 1 for me too...
Cylinder deactivation is already used without issues on all Ducati V4 straddle engines (Panigale / Streetfighter), it reduces a ton of heat compared to the MTS 1260.
Hmmmm.... Kinda want this...or a PanAm
This video fails to properly address the true differences between the two different models.
Which are ?
I have a black 2011 1200S. Looks better than both of these. Akrapovic exhaust and fully pimped with carbon. Not trading....plus I have a Diavel 1260S.
30 bikes sold a week, can't be wrong!
The front looks like optimus prime
Has a heated seat--IF you BUY the heated seats. $500.
Old Multistrada? Neither of these bikes has any chance of getting me off of my 2004 1000DS Multistrada as my two up bike. It's a lot better off road too.
what a lovely joke !
34 miles per gallon. No thanks
More like 30 mpg
It seems the main reason reviewers are getting such low gas mileage on the v4 is that they are whacking the throttle open a lot more often. I saw a video of some guys that did a road trip with one on a 1260 Multistrada and the other on a v4, and they said the range per tank was about the same.
The price is ridiculous....
The internet is a wash with reviews of the Multistrada V4 and some BMW or other European so called premium or exotic bike but they never seem to mention why these manufacturers constantly run at the bottom of the customer satisfaction and reliability tables .Have i missed something ? or is reliability not important anymore ?
I realize this is an old comment but my 2010 Multistrada passed 70000km today. Other than the useless Brembo rear brake, completely trouble-free. Much better quality all around than my 2016 Africa Twin.
Definitely not the new one! Cylinders deactivation, heavier, MPG, 8sec from key-on to engine run, 60K km service myth with no sense, much lower torque and power compared to GT with DDS kit...maybe wait till next revised model...
I love it; they want to sell you a motorcycle with features that aren't active. Yet. Never, ever buy anything with the promise of features coming later. And remember, this company is owned by Volkswagen Audi.
The Radar system software is active in Europe, it's just the US agencies (FCC) that had a delay in approving it. (Covid backlog)
I can’t stop seeing a freaking
“ROBOTIC BIRD” every time I look at it...😳😖
I had a 2015 Multistrada. It was a POS. The Skyhook suspension wanted to do tank slappies at moderate cornering speeds. The throttle maps let any old lady in a Prius out drag me at the lights, but once in a while would go bananas wheelieing me into the car in front. At 5,000 miles there was a pile of metal filings on the oil pan drain bolt, the longest 3/16 inch. The clutch slave cylinder leaked so it had to be bled every month. The cost of maintenance and repairs was ridiculous.
I now have a 1290 SAS. Better in every way. I hear VW wants to sell Ducati. Pity the fool who buys it.
Learn to ride, fool.