What Makes the Best Utopia? | Fate & Fabled

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  • čas přidán 10. 04. 2024
  • Utopias are the everything bagel seasoning of myth devices because they are born out of something everyone everywhere can relate to: the desire for a better existence, even one currently out of our mortal reach.
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    Hosted by Dr. Moiya McTier & Dr. Emily Zarka, FATE & FABLED explores the stories and characters of mythologies from all around the world - why they came to be and how they impact us still today.
    Host: Moiya McTier, PhD
    Writers: Moiya McTier, PhD
    Director: David Schulte
    Executive Producer: Amanda Fox
    Producer: Thomas Fernandes
    Editor / Animator: Steven Simone
    Illustrator: Sophie Calhoun
    Script Editors: Emily Zarka, PhD & Moiya McTier, PhD
    Fact Checker: Yvonne McGreevy
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    Music: APM Music
    Executive in Charge (PBS): Maribel Lopez
    Director of Programming (PBS): Gabrielle Ewing
    Assistant Director of Programming (PBS): John Campbell
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Komentáře • 223

  • @CausticLemons7
    @CausticLemons7 Před měsícem +43

    This discussion made me think utopia is not a place but a people. When people have empathy, respect, kindness, courage and all those good values we strive to live by then there is utopia.

    • @styrax7280
      @styrax7280 Před měsícem +3

      The inverse of "hell is other people"

    • @LuisSierra42
      @LuisSierra42 Před měsícem +4

      Maybe the real utopia was the friends we made along the way

    • @okonh0wp
      @okonh0wp Před 19 dny +1

      It's a place too. The utopia people envision would obviously be free of sprawl, traffic, and pollution.
      However, I see your point is that utopia is attainable if people reform.
      I think that's why it's good to discuss Utopia, as a theoretical exercise

  • @violetlight1548
    @violetlight1548 Před měsícem +85

    Honestly, Star Trek's future is probably the closest to an achievable utopia. Yes, there are still problems and dangers, but everyone in the Federation can pursue their dreams, free from worry of getting enough food, affording their home, etc. Jake Sisko can decide out of the blue that he wants to be a writer, and he can go ahead and do it! His grandfather runs a restaurant for fun! Not everyone's going to be in Starfleet, but the Federation is a society *worth* fighting the Borg for!

    • @gastonmarian7261
      @gastonmarian7261 Před měsícem +12

      Love Star Trek's post-scarcity, fully automated, luxury, gay, space communism. So many issues of the world mentioned at the start of this video are explicitly the fault of greedy capitalists who never learned the human empathy necessary to live in a utopia. Young souls who need many more cycles of incarnation to get it through their thick skills that they're not the only being in existence

    • @Mike-kw5xv
      @Mike-kw5xv Před měsícem +7

      Star Trek touches on the issue of diversity much as this video does as well. I like how Star Trek shows how things get better when you start seeing diversity as a good thing all around rather then just for those who might otherwise be excluded.

    • @roysteves
      @roysteves Před měsícem +3

      Not looking forward to the eugenics wars between here and there...

    • @ludovico6890
      @ludovico6890 Před měsícem +1

      I'm not big on utopias. They tend to be totalitarian in execution, if not in nature. In fact I don't think there's any intrinsic difference between an utopia and a dystopia.

    • @TheGrifhinx
      @TheGrifhinx Před měsícem

      @@ludovico6890 then how in the world are you here in this video's comment section? This is clearly not for you, and you clearly shouldn't be anywhere near here if you don't like any and all of it.

  • @suzannestrickland1586
    @suzannestrickland1586 Před měsícem +83

    I love how you reasoned out all the aspects of your utopia.
    Your reasoning for who played what roles was well thought out.
    I love how you can cover SO many different beliefs and cultures without bashing or belittling any of them.
    10/10 content. I am so glad I found Monstrum and have stayed to see how things evolved from there.

    • @jessicaclakley3691
      @jessicaclakley3691 Před měsícem +2

      Agree with every word of this!! I hope to work with Dr. Z one day!!

  • @danielkover7157
    @danielkover7157 Před měsícem +7

    When I was young, I was quite taken with James Gurney's Dinotopia. I spent hours dìving into his books about a utopia where humans and dinosaurs coexisted in harmony. It wasn't a perfect world, but they managed. In his imaginative world, dinosaurs hade there own languages and published their own books, such as The Care and Feeding of Humans. Dinosaurs, being so ancient, had great wisdom to share with humans, and the humans had their energy and ingenuity to share with the dinosaurs. I also just love Gurney's artwork; it's so engaging. If you happen to have never heard of Dinotopia, I recommend picking up the books. I'm not sure how many he made, but I owned two: Dinotopia, and its sequel, The World Beneath.

  • @elizabethdavis1696
    @elizabethdavis1696 Před měsícem +107

    Please consider doing a companion video on dystopias

    • @aayanahmedkhan7775
      @aayanahmedkhan7775 Před měsícem +5

      I think they just did

    • @rakinh
      @rakinh Před měsícem +8

      "Yer in one!"

    • @FaysalElAddouti
      @FaysalElAddouti Před měsícem

      In paradise, one can wish to drink coffee, and that the coffee makes him go through historic or future events.

  • @StephMcAlea
    @StephMcAlea Před měsícem +31

    My favourite idea of Eutopia is Afallen/Avalon. A sunlit meadow with peaceful animals, bubbling brooks, and tall trees. The Morrigan or Bloduedd is a tall, naked tattooed red haired goddess who spreads love and comfort as she passes.
    Every day is a warm summers day, each nighttime a warm spring night with scented winds and your family and friends keeping your place at a nearby table.

    • @ludovico6890
      @ludovico6890 Před měsícem +3

      An eternal summer is my idea of hell.

  • @ChaosBlond
    @ChaosBlond Před měsícem +43

    This honestly couldn’t be more perfect timing with writing a TTRPG Utopia

    • @MaryamMaqdisi
      @MaryamMaqdisi Před měsícem +2

      That's awesome, good luck with that!

  • @johnwalsh5393
    @johnwalsh5393 Před měsícem +15

    As a very lazy anarchist I am drawn to the Big Rock Candy Mountain a paradise for hoboes where food and drink is free and
    pre-cooked and no one tells you what to do.

    • @ludovico6890
      @ludovico6890 Před měsícem +3

      I tend to think that to maintain a state of permanent happiness, you would need an utopia to be an anarchy. Which would be easier to maintain if there's no shortage of food and resources.

  • @hannahchristinah
    @hannahchristinah Před měsícem +12

    Nerd moment: "Utopia" is likely a pun on BOTH "good place" (eu-topos) and "no place" (ou-topos). It seems More may have intentionally omitted either vowel (o or e), inventing a whole new, highly ambiguous word to describe his fictional island.

    • @ludovico6890
      @ludovico6890 Před měsícem

      Good point. I think utopias are in essence ambiguous at best. Even if one is free from work, hardship and worries, wouldn't that be such a blissful state on the long run? Without suffering and need, can there be pleasure? I think many would end up being bored.

  • @FlagCutie
    @FlagCutie Před měsícem +24

    I just started, but I had to comment on your beautiful dresses!

  • @frederickhidayat137
    @frederickhidayat137 Před měsícem +30

    I'm half way in and I know illustrators and editors have done a great job, they greatly picture the utopia !

  • @eomguel9017
    @eomguel9017 Před měsícem +20

    6:26 I love how you incorporate the notion of inclusion and acceptance of everyone and everything in this utopia. It reminds me of an Italian author who has thoroughly studied Dante Alighieri's work, especially the Divine Comedy. Speaking about Paradise as Dante imagines it, she says it can be very accurately described by a modified version of the French Revolution's motto. Instead of "liberty, equality and fraternity," Dante's Paradise is better described as "liberty, diversity and and fraternity." In contrast to the Purgatory, where all the spirits sing in unison in a monotonous choir, in Paradise each spirit sings to their own melody creating a mystical and glorious harmony of immense beauty. It's brilliant because each individual's nature is celebrated and, if you think about it carefully, liberty and equality contradict one another, whereas diversity fits much better, allowing for individual freedom, whilst countering abuse and hierarchy with fraternity. That's the utopia I aspire to.

    • @rabidwallaby84
      @rabidwallaby84 Před měsícem +1

      But immediately after she says that it should be "selective" which is restrictive and non-inclusive.

  • @Auryce
    @Auryce Před měsícem +9

    Betterhelp has broken my brain. Upon hearing the end with, “You might be wondering why we need therapy in utopia…” to lead into a betterhelp ad

    • @spino-ace
      @spino-ace Před 8 dny

      Thank god there isnt one…

  • @dawntavishflynn8802
    @dawntavishflynn8802 Před měsícem +8

    Some people do want anarchy in their utopia, thank you very much

    • @darkstarr984
      @darkstarr984 Před měsícem +4

      I deeply want anarchy in my utopia. No leaders needed, rules aren’t the same thing.

    • @dawntavishflynn8802
      @dawntavishflynn8802 Před měsícem +3

      @@darkstarr984 yeah, anarchism isn't a lack of rules or oder, it's a rejection of heirarchy. My utopia would have a rotating democratic counsil that, where no one has more power than anyone else.

  • @Tygertyger8008
    @Tygertyger8008 Před měsícem +23

    Living island, eh? This tracks with Marvel comics' X-Men -- Krakoa, the mutant nation, is a living island and is portrayed as a flawed utopia.

  • @youremakingprogress144
    @youremakingprogress144 Před měsícem +3

    I love the note you ended on - that utopia doesn't mean a lack of hardship or conflict, but the ability to overcome them. I like to say that happiness isn't like ice skating at a rink - always flat, with no variation, everything always perfectly in place; that's a very fragile happiness that ends as soon as anything changes. Happiness is instead like surfing - the waves are always changing, and it's our ability to navigate these changes and stay upright despite the difficulty that makes life fun and fulfilling.

  • @tumejorpose
    @tumejorpose Před měsícem +12

    Alright...loving these descriptions and illustrations!!

  • @sapphirII
    @sapphirII Před měsícem +7

    I realized I'm kinda shocked the cute critter from South America(Kasogonagá) wasn't drafted as a god of the place. He sounds perfect for the place.

  • @germanomagnone
    @germanomagnone Před měsícem +15

    I saw the beautiful three-part TV miniseries inspired by the book Dinotopia created by the imagination of the author and illustrator James Gurney. personally it is very nice to see where dinosaurs are not the "usual monsters" devouring humans (the carnivores), but to see that (the herbivores and omnivores) are the "pillars" of the law and the large pterosaurs which are the "guardian angels" of the island.

    • @thehomeschoolinglibrarian
      @thehomeschoolinglibrarian Před měsícem

      I never saw the miniseries but I love the Dinotopia books and Gurney's art is amazing.

    • @germanomagnone
      @germanomagnone Před měsícem

      ​@@thehomeschoolinglibrarian I could say that it's a nice cross between Jurassic Park and The Chronicles of Narnia

  • @LittleBitVic
    @LittleBitVic Před 22 dny +2

    I hope this is just the beginning of an already beloved addition to Storied! Seeing Dr. McTier and Dr. Zarka have fun while teaching fables, parables, and the overall moral has been a delight as an amateur scholar fascinated by world cultures, myths, and history. I look forward to learning more, especially if some detailed deep dives are part of the journey.

  • @oO0catty0Oo
    @oO0catty0Oo Před měsícem +13

    I made a Utopia too. It's an Animal Crossing island.

  • @elizabethdavis1696
    @elizabethdavis1696 Před měsícem +12

    Please make more playlists for the videos on your channel!!!!

  • @aaronhedgesmusic
    @aaronhedgesmusic Před měsícem +4

    Best version of fantasy football ever ❤😂

  • @ellabartal4652
    @ellabartal4652 Před měsícem +7

    I love this exercise. Great Utopia y'all.

  • @rukbat3
    @rukbat3 Před měsícem +2

    The show The Good Place does a great job of exploring the idea of utopias and what one should look like!

  • @andiskene7346
    @andiskene7346 Před měsícem +1

    I love the idea of going to different dimensions of being, a way of existing that we can't imagine right now.

  • @bnthern
    @bnthern Před měsícem +6

    well presented ideas and ideals

  • @EMNstar
    @EMNstar Před měsícem +3

    My utopia would include food and beverage as an experience but not a necessity

  • @madelynbright2912
    @madelynbright2912 Před měsícem +3

    Garden on Enlil ≈ Garden of Eden is totally something I could see

  • @Prestonhlt
    @Prestonhlt Před měsícem +3

    I just began the video, but i very much love the concept of trying to imagine and envision of Utopia here on Earth

  • @Myself-yf5do
    @Myself-yf5do Před měsícem +4

    Do you make videos based on what viewers request to see, or do you just make videos about whatever you feel like?

  • @sandradermark8463
    @sandradermark8463 Před měsícem +4

    Weather bubbles remind me of tía Pepa in Encanto and Elsa and Olaf in Frozen

  • @reaperman111
    @reaperman111 Před 10 dny

    i love how you guys started creating ocs like the jewel bird and the cute worm. this is a super cool utopia

  • @tylergagnon8658
    @tylergagnon8658 Před měsícem

    Drs. McT and Z, thank you both. Absolutely fantastic and beautiful video.

  • @vagenaut69
    @vagenaut69 Před měsícem

    As a dungeon master who grew up on PBS, gotta say I loved your world building. You guys got to nerd out and teach history.

  • @leonkenedy2988
    @leonkenedy2988 Před měsícem

    Videos like yours always made me smile when I watch it. Also, loved the talk and creation of Utopia, I like the discussion that you're having.

  • @windlessoriginals1150
    @windlessoriginals1150 Před měsícem +1

    Thank you

  • @Raya-xw5ud
    @Raya-xw5ud Před 20 dny

    The best utopia I think I've ever seen or heard of was what they got to eventually in The Good Place. It did a great job of addressing the diversity of what humans would want too.

  • @GiacomodellaSvezia
    @GiacomodellaSvezia Před měsícem +5

    Interesting subject. I would think in a paradise on Earth there would be:
    No leaders: people are responsible and feel responsibility for the ones they care about, people can hold a leading position only temporarily
    No needs: everyone helps to provide what 's necessary, people feel no need for luxury, meaning no unnecessary waste is created
    No exploitation: resources are either infinite (natural) or used as little as possible (mining), to preserve what Earth has to offer for future generations as well
    No exclusion: we're in this together, non-human beings are no less important in the global ecosystem
    These are things I can think of right away, but the list undoubtedly continues. My conclusion is that people need some level of enlightenment to make it possible, which means proper education is essential for everyone to grow, both intellectually and spiritually.

    • @ThemermaidPearl
      @ThemermaidPearl Před měsícem +3

      Literally anarchist idea of how the world should be. We can work towards that with learning about non hierarchical forms of society. Having a library of things for things to share. From books to tools. And working towards changing the mindset of people and generations after

    • @GiacomodellaSvezia
      @GiacomodellaSvezia Před měsícem +1

      @@ThemermaidPearl I thought of it as a humanistic idea, but the one probably will lead to the other.

  • @alysysysabasalalal
    @alysysysabasalalal Před 17 dny

    Many of the Norse Gods had their own "Halls" that served very specific people and this reminds me a lot of the utopia being created here. For instance, half the warriors went to Valhalla and the other half to Folkvangr. Helheim has the dishonorable dead, those who die at sea may stay in Ran's realm, etc. Cool video!

  • @allisonhomiak2336
    @allisonhomiak2336 Před měsícem +2

    I found myself disagreeing so much with some of the terms of your utopia (mine would be much more radically accepting and anarchic), but that's okay! That illustrates one of the main features of utopian stories that you talked about: no two people will have the exact same ideals of perfection.

  • @adrienkingson2889
    @adrienkingson2889 Před měsícem +1

    I loved this! I hope y’all do a dystopia one! Bring some chaos in the world lol

  • @Uncleed251
    @Uncleed251 Před měsícem +1

    Listening to this reminds me of me and my childhood friends fantasizing about the perfect place while eating junk food 😂.

  • @GravesRWFiA
    @GravesRWFiA Před měsícem +3

    you are both too young to remember an early 70's cartoon where yogi bear captained a flying ark of hannah barbaera characters looking for a 'perfect place' . They realized in the pilot no such place existed and they had to make it themselves and so would confront people like 'Lotta Litter'
    but your lead in title made me think of their theme song
    We're on our way to a perfect place..."
    it probably says more about me that i think yogi bear instead of JS Mill

  • @-RONNIE
    @-RONNIE Před měsícem

    Thanks for the video 👍🏻

  • @Sondos-br4mm
    @Sondos-br4mm Před měsícem

    I wish that one day the conflicts and wars around the world would stop. I also kind of have my own utopia and I imagine it a lot.

  • @sneed472
    @sneed472 Před měsícem

    I don't think I can exist without anarchy, the struggle is part of the fun

  • @markadams7046
    @markadams7046 Před měsícem

    You can't have a paradise that will always be perfect, because you can't have joy without sadness, it's a matter of contrast.

  • @LavenderOShaugnessy
    @LavenderOShaugnessy Před měsícem

    I’m really glad that The Morrígan is included alongside Idunn

  • @somerandomgal3915
    @somerandomgal3915 Před měsícem

    Thinking about it... I think personally I wouldn't necessarily want an (e)utopia but rather the ability/skills to enable people to make the best out of the places and worlds they already live in. A journey and stories that help teach that and learn these things as well.
    and the skills would by default also contain keeping the utopia as it is... and knowing when to change it when necessary
    keeping things as the are at all cost is after all what turns many utopias into dystopias. And the anarchist inside me certainly wouldn't like that or stand for that! We after all won't know if what we think is the greatest thing ever is going to actually be that, even far after one self is gone.

  • @Demonslayer232
    @Demonslayer232 Před měsícem

    Sounds like a great utopia to me! Sign me up!

  • @bw6603
    @bw6603 Před měsícem +1

    This is the Good Place.

  • @kimberlyterasaki4843
    @kimberlyterasaki4843 Před měsícem +2

    All of the descriptions of jewel encrusted plants as being parts of utopias makes me wonder if the land across the lake in l the 12 dancing princesses is also a utopia.

  • @YakuzaSRC
    @YakuzaSRC Před měsícem

    Amazing episode... !!
    But I am also disappointed that they didn't mention "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" by Ursula K. Le Guin, when talking about the problems of utopia. Maybe it would have been a very common reference, maybe other writers and thinkers have written and talked about Utopia a lot, but for me personally, it is one of the most impactful piece of literature, and I can't talk about utopia or dystopia without mentioning it.

  • @Bdear1
    @Bdear1 Před 28 dny

    Equality, respect, & books, but there are so many things that can be amazing in specific weather, & geography, that if someone could go to any, w/out conquering, fighting, or taking from anyone...

  • @Wolfy39565
    @Wolfy39565 Před 16 dny

    each person is different. people have their own needs and wants through or experiences showing we are still different. it meas people have their own version of utopia. It also means the meaning of life also depends on their personal wants and needs

  • @merlapittman5034
    @merlapittman5034 Před měsícem

    You've imagined a beautiful utopia. I'd be happy to move in immediately!

  • @leonandre7210
    @leonandre7210 Před měsícem +2

    Every ying has to have a yang

  • @CrisSelene
    @CrisSelene Před měsícem

    You are like two creator goddesses discussing how they want to create their new world

  • @shannons.5476
    @shannons.5476 Před 25 dny

    Does anyone know the name of the piano tune that starts around 16:00? It isn't listed in the credits.

  • @Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache
    @Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache Před měsícem +87

    Valhalla just seems wild, man. Everyone is your enemy. For me, paradise is a place where I have no enemies. Call me old fashioned like that. Sorry, Vikings. You had cool hats but terrible afterlives.

    • @cattachi681
      @cattachi681 Před měsícem +3

      Totally agree but to them it made sense. So I can see why it seemed like paradise to them.

    • @LeChaunce
      @LeChaunce Před měsícem +15

      And they didn't even have those cool hats.

    • @ecurewitz
      @ecurewitz Před měsícem

      I’d prefer Elysium

    • @WormBurger
      @WormBurger Před měsícem +15

      You have it a little wrong.
      When the sun shines, everyone is your enemy. Fight for eternity.
      Once the sun goes down, everyone are your brothers and sisters, and you drink and celebrate till the sun comes up,
      Rinse and repeat.

    • @MisterCynic18
      @MisterCynic18 Před měsícem +14

      They are enemies as much as kids on a playground are enemies. It's all just good fun, well until Odin summons you to fight Loki's armies in a battle to end this cycle of the world. But until then, that axe to your skull just means you've been tagged out until the next banquet is over.

  • @mm3fredeluces490
    @mm3fredeluces490 Před měsícem

    I want to live your utopia! It sound like a beautiful place to stay.

  • @Pottery4Life
    @Pottery4Life Před měsícem

    When choosing what your Utopia looks like, you will need either diversity (which the mind you are now using needs), or a new Utopian mind that can handle the Wonders of the Grand Bejeweled Plane of Existence (that never varies). Best wishes and good luck.

  • @IAmTheAce5
    @IAmTheAce5 Před měsícem

    "Selective but not Restrictive"- I have an idea for you ladies.
    There's a video game called The Airborne Kingdom, where you manage a flying city, picking up immigrants, allying with grounded kingdoms, and altogether completing a "Prophecy".
    When "The Prophecy" is completed by game's end, you get a visit from a sage, one of those Ancients who 'ascended' before you by completing "The Prophecy". It's revealed as a ritual-as-test that allows a flying community to prove their worthiness to Ascend.
    "...Those who could find the old machines, and unite the world, would be worthy of the Infinite..."

  • @johncosco2348
    @johncosco2348 Před měsícem +2

    You should do Monstrum episode about the Kamaitachi

  • @Myself-yf5do
    @Myself-yf5do Před 27 dny +1

    For the next pantheon pick, you should pick the flying spaghetti monster.

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 Před měsícem

    this a bit of a golden oldie but Shangri-La from Hilton's Lost Horzion is one of my favourite utopias

  • @maisygracey9928
    @maisygracey9928 Před 25 dny

    I think a perfect afterlife would have the option to work (as in fun challenges like crafting stuff) and earn currency for bonus things rather than always having them available instantly. Maybe some conflict like something to battle but like a video game you respawn if you “die”. Just to prevent it from getting boring after a while.
    As horrible as suffering is sometimes we need it sometimes we need a challenge and sometimes we need something simple easy and relaxing.
    Video games already have that ability to be the utopias we desire thats why we escape the real world to them.

  • @Kram1032
    @Kram1032 Před měsícem

    A lot of your utopia sounds like Steven Universe's Mask Island, right down to the cute worms
    It's possibly sentient (assuming it's the same island as the one hinted at in Cat Fingers) and after initially being practically desert (Island Adventure), it eventually becomes home to an incredibly diverse set of sentient watermelons (Watermelon Steven, Super Watermelon Island, Escapism)
    The jewel theme also works out as there are *massive* geodes that are basically the hills and caves

  • @robertblackwell1350
    @robertblackwell1350 Před měsícem

    If mom’s not happy, no one is happy.
    Sounds fair, Tiamat gets the gold.

  • @donnguyen1107
    @donnguyen1107 Před 23 dny

    People rag on Disney's Wish (2023) praising Magnifico for creating the utopia Rosas based on his personal traumas where people willingly give him their wishes in bubbles to be granted, painlessly forget their wishes and the pain they can bring, and go on to lead happy lives in Rosas with hope they'll be granted even though most wishes are left ungranted and "safeguarded" because they're "dangerous" while vilifying Asha when she realizes most wishes won't be granted, including her dear 100 year old Saba, and suggests giving the wishes and thus the people's basic agency and human drive back until deciding to take back the wishes back to her family and community with help from a magical star, which leads Magnifico down a villainous path to secure the wishes and a defeat for him and the wishes returned to the people.
    But this reminds that a utopia is pretty much impossible, and there are flaws in creating one. Magnifico creates a utopia through giving based on his personal strife but associates the strife and pain with misery "making sure THAT never happens again" when he's forgotten that without that strife he wouldn't have gained magic nor created a home for him and the people, thus the people give him their wishes willingly and he takes them, calling it an act of mercy when he's actually trying to make everyone homogenous. But Asha giving them their wishes back not only gives them basic human drive to pursue their dreams themselves, but "if they're dangerous then they can be stopped" and thus reevaluated based on individual needs. And while we see her mother's wish get crushed and her heart break, she continues pushing on despite her grief, showing how as bad as the strife we try to avoid is, we need it as a test of our strength of character and to grow.
    While everyone wants a utopia, we need to remember sometimes we NEED the strife in our lives. For all his points, Magnifico's flaws include entitlement, pride, paranoia and fear of his past, and thus strife and so he's trying to control it and others' strife, forgetting that it's a humbling moment that allowed him to grow. And even though with his queen Amaya trying to support him, encouragement and feeding an ego isn't enough to round out a person, and in trying to avoid his past he isolates himself further and further resorting to darker, forbidden magic to maintain the "utopia" he's created which leads to his downfall.
    Asha taking the wishes back to the people may sound like strife to some, but the strife is what's needed to round out people, which Asha recognizes from losing her father but remembering his guidance and the pain of loss giving her drive to look out for both family and community. In returning the wishes to the people, it grants not the wishes themselves, but the basic drive and agency to pursue and evaluate them without relying soley on magic, with help from each other as a community. She doesn't wish for perfection nor a utopian place, but just a chance for others to find and evaluate their own personal utopia and it isn't automatically granted by Star, but instead the power of her wish summons him as a helper to guide her and offer comfort and reminders along the way. In the final battle, as the people unite as a community, they're all recognized as "stars" with Asha recognizing herself as one of them in her and their humbling moment of being knocked and held down, showing her own star as well, as opposed to Magnifico singling himself out which leads to his downfall, a humbling moment that puts him in a space of reflection that he needs as a reminder of what he needed to not only reach his dreams but evaluate himself.
    Similar to both Scar AND Simba, Magnifico ignores what struggles bring and how to handle them which prove detrimental to his "utopia." While Scar thought he as an elder and more experienced deserved to be king instead of formerly petulant little Simba, once he became king (after killing his brother and banishing his nephew) he was ignoring what his own struggles growing up gave him and it led to his defeat. Simba also avoided his traumas, but in a space of reflection on them and facing them was able to become the king he needed to be, yet in the sequel we see him avoiding his traumas yet again with projecting his prejudices and anger over what Scar put him through and nearly falling to darkness himself and forgetting that his traumas gave him his friends, his growth and his stepping into his place as the king that was needed. However you find your place, malevolently or benevolently, you can't run from the struggles that brought you there nor ignore yours or others' personal growth as you build that place.
    In the end Asha becomes a fairy godmother, but as a fairy godmother she's not keeping, granting and withholding wishes to maintain a utopia like Magnifico. She becomes a guide to give people the extra push to reach their dreams themselves and evaluates their needs to grow into themselves while the world continues on. Pinocchio's blue fairy doesn't automatically grant nor withhold Geppetto's wish but gives Pinocchio the sentience and basic human drive that sends him on his journey and struggles to learn humanity and grow into a real boy. Cinderella's fairy godmother doesn't wave her wand and make Cinderella's stepfamily go away but gives Cinderella the comfort and extra push she needs when she's at her low point in her struggles and to catch a little break at the ball, which gives her the confidence to take her chance at her great escape with her glass slipper and friends. Flora, Fauna and Merriweather don't grant any wishes but are guardians to Aurora, giving her her best chance at life with gifts of character and changing Maleficent's death curse to a curable sleeping spell. Merlin himself says magic won't solve all problems, but uses his magic to educate and guide Arthur in the struggles and ways of the world and gain the power of knowledge before taking his destined place. Beauty and the Beast's enchantress doesn't just make the prince a better person, but gives him the humbling experience and space of reflection he needs as the Beast for the chance at personal growth, which leads to Belle fulfilling her dreams of stepping out of her home life and living out the adventures she reads and dreams about. Aladdin and his Genie present the problems relying soley on wishes magically granted can bring, which only add to the struggle Aladdin needs to prove and grow into himself while Genie shows the only thing worse than making a wish that isn't granted is never being able to make them at all as he grants others' wishes but can't make his own happen unless he's freed from the lamp. Jasmine herself never wishes on Genie at any point, seeing as she wants the independence and agency to make her own choices and exercise her freedom of movement and can't do that if she's relying on someone else making it happen for her. Even Silver in Treasure Planet is a fairy godmother to Jim when even as he's "keeping up an act" he considers Jim's interiority, his needs, his wants, and struggles and becomes a father figure to him and provides comfort and encouragement, not automatically granting or depriving him a wish. Even Aladar in Dinosaur is a fairy godmother in helping and providing hope to those who are struggling and encouraging the herd to stand together as a community as opposed to survival of the fittest (seen in Magnifico being selective with wishes granted rather than letting and helping people work through struggles and needs) which leads to their happy ending. Mama Oodi rather than granting wishes, helps them evaluate their needs in order to round themselves before reaching any goals.
    While people may want a utopia, we forget that the strife and pain are needed for us to grow and reach for certain goals and needs. And sometimes there is a very villainous flaw in trying to forge a perfect world and running from struggles, however you go about it. Wish reminds us that everyone has their own personal utopias to reach and evaluate, and that there are flaws and even villainy in trying to project your own ideal utopia onto a collective community.

  • @davidsoule8401
    @davidsoule8401 Před měsícem

    As long as the rent is reasonable, I;m there!

  • @Aettaro
    @Aettaro Před měsícem

    You know a part of me can see a reason for a utopia being white. The color white reflects all light, which could be construed as giving up all covetousness, whereas the color black absorbs all light, thereby could be said to be trying to possess all things. I have no idea if that lines up with any mythology, but could be interesting for worldbuilding purposes.

  • @barbarajeanne8351
    @barbarajeanne8351 Před měsícem

    I'd move there in a second!

  • @dwija1325
    @dwija1325 Před měsícem

    I've watched Jigokuraku and i know trying to find a paradise in mortal world is something you should never do 😅

  • @historybuff7491
    @historybuff7491 Před měsícem

    Yes

  • @AFLoneWolf
    @AFLoneWolf Před měsícem

    I think a perfect world would be just like this one, except it wouldn't have pain, fear, doubt, and hatred.

  • @comiccid1
    @comiccid1 Před měsícem +1

    You should have covered Valinor as a utopia that could accommodate mortals and immortals.

  • @seanarmstrong5684
    @seanarmstrong5684 Před dnem

    i would love to live in your utopia!:3

  • @grandthanatos
    @grandthanatos Před měsícem

    If I can't live there, I would like you two to write a novel or a series of novels set in that utopia. Can you please write that for us?

  • @evolancer211
    @evolancer211 Před měsícem +2

    How do you guys know the gods will get along? Who says they won't fight, cause you know gods always fight

  • @leslietonn3181
    @leslietonn3181 Před měsícem

    4:27 but there are some things we all want such as kindness.

  • @tgcid2018
    @tgcid2018 Před měsícem

    LeGuin is screaming rn

  • @mattiarenzi5673
    @mattiarenzi5673 Před měsícem +1

    I think I want you two to oversee the UN decision 😂

  • @Ryonin3627
    @Ryonin3627 Před měsícem

    Harmony is impossible among any group that has more than 1 human, and very very hard if there is only 1 human

  • @russellneitzke4972
    @russellneitzke4972 Před měsícem +2

    hummingbirds are jeweled bird creatures

  • @alisonselje2809
    @alisonselje2809 Před měsícem

    I'm moving in

  • @joeyoung431
    @joeyoung431 Před měsícem

    Like the series, but I'm faintly disappointed that your discussion of utopias doesn't mention E.R. Eddison's Zimiamvia at all.

  • @roxyamused
    @roxyamused Před měsícem

    Your island reminds me of a Pure Lands of the Buddhas like Amitabha's Sukhavati/Dewachen born from his wish that all beings can have a perfect place that supports dharma practice to go up the ten stages/bhumis of the bodhisattvas. There is a sort of velvet rope in that one must have the wish to liberate all beings as limitless as space- a supreme wish. Sukhavati has jewels on plants, sparkling flower pedals raining from the clear sky, the smell, sound, taste touch of euphoria; Avalokiteśvara standing proudly on his lotus and moon seat in his glowing crystal palace of Potala somehow making every gust of wind, babbling brook, birdcall, anything makes the sound of the six syllables "OM MANI PADME HUM". Sukhavati is said to be the most accessible, as a person just have to go west, remember Amida or Avalokita, or thier mantras during the stages of death. However, there are more Buddhas and their pure lands than there is sand in the Ganges.

    • @roxyamused
      @roxyamused Před měsícem

      "If, when I attain Buddhahood, sentient beings in the lands of the ten directions who sincerely and joyfully entrust themselves to me, desire to be born in my land, and think of me even ten times should not be born there, may I not attain perfect enlightenment. Excluded, however, are those who commit the five crimes with immediate retribution and abuse the Right Dharma" -Amitabha
      I go to Sukhavati, with its groves, resplendent with gold,
      The delightful, adorned with the sons of awakened beings,
      I go to it, which is full of many jewels and treasures;
      And the refuge of thee, the famous and wise -opening prayer to the Sukhavativyuha Sutra

  • @The.Crystal.Clods.
    @The.Crystal.Clods. Před měsícem +1

    Ain’t no love for anarchy?😢 “of course not” @10:37

  • @alexconn7473
    @alexconn7473 Před měsícem

    There are some utopias described by earlier civilizations and generations that would actually be described as dystopias nowadays

  • @snowballeffect7812
    @snowballeffect7812 Před měsícem

    Please put me on your waitlist for Storied Utopia, thanks.

  • @NovaSaber
    @NovaSaber Před měsícem +1

    Literally the only reason anarchy doesn't work is because the lack of official authority means there's no one to stop selfish people/organizations from becoming unofficial ones.
    So a world without selfishness arguably should be an anarchy.
    If not, then at least a democracy where everyone's equal.

    • @akhragee
      @akhragee Před měsícem

      there is someone to stop them though: everyone else. doing so (and understanding why it's necessary) needs to be an actively-maintained cultural cornerstone for enduring anarchy, but that's not a tall order; education is a fundamental human behavior. the sticking point isn't really a catch-22 of base human nature, it's a world built on two thousand years of imperial power consolidation maintaining _its_ cultural cornerstone that prosperity is zero-sum and thus reliant on taking from others.

  • @ryanpmcguire
    @ryanpmcguire Před měsícem

    Power process is necessary.

  • @Clarke.Beatriz.Griffin

    Great

  • @bethanysmith5856
    @bethanysmith5856 Před měsícem

    My perfect world has easy and safe access to the city, no crime there or troubles. But my main area is on the edge of a forest with a nice roomy house with plenty of place my mom and I can do verious hobbies at our leisure. Plenty of space in fertile land for gardening. Work is optional, everyone else has similar conditions.

  • @mikakestudios5891
    @mikakestudios5891 Před měsícem

    This feels a little bit like Themyiscra in a good way

  • @MisterCynic18
    @MisterCynic18 Před měsícem +1

    10:35 but peaceful anarchy IS my utopia. See now you've already failed to satisfy everyone

  • @NitroIndigo
    @NitroIndigo Před měsícem

    "Where the wolf not snatched the lamb."
    Is that where the Bible got the "lion shall lie with the lamb" thing from?

  • @MrDowntemp0
    @MrDowntemp0 Před měsícem +1

    Utopia for all.... as long as you like and subscribe (Come on, it was right there!)