HOW TO BEAT RYU AND KEN in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

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  • čas přidán 8. 09. 2024

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  • @TravPlay
    @TravPlay  Před 4 lety +4

    Thanks for watching! Please like and subscribe if you enjoyed it. Who do you think is better? Ken or Ryu?

    • @avianflu4516
      @avianflu4516 Před 4 lety +2

      TravPlay both are good in there own Match UPS but overall ken is better because he has more positive traits.

    • @hunterzilla9385
      @hunterzilla9385 Před 4 lety

      I think Ken

    • @dorkusmaximus5765
      @dorkusmaximus5765 Před 4 lety

      I think it just depends on the matchup. Ryu is better at controlling the stage and breaking shields but Ken has some monster combos and can rack up damage in a blink.

  • @dorkusmaximus5765
    @dorkusmaximus5765 Před 4 lety +24

    5:45 - Here’s a quick tip from a Shoto Main: Normally you wouldn’t want to block ryu’s fireball like that. A trick that Ryu players will often try to pull is to throw a slow fireball from a distance, bait a shield reaction, and then chase in after the fireball and follow up with a guaranteed shield break combo as the fireball holds you in shield stun. You either want to parry the fireball, or you have to respect it altogether. Ryu has some crazy projectiles.
    Edit: also this is a really well made video! You earned my like :)))

    • @arthurnielsen2249
      @arthurnielsen2249 Před 3 lety +1

      wait cant ryu if he is close and you parry just shoryuken since it is so fast

    • @dorkusmaximus5765
      @dorkusmaximus5765 Před 3 lety +1

      @@arthurnielsen2249 I mean he could do that but if you’re parrying the fireball then auto parry will kick in and protect you

    • @arthurnielsen2249
      @arthurnielsen2249 Před 3 lety +1

      @@dorkusmaximus5765 I just asked since I was training my amibo and he then I used shoryuken I was just wondering if it also worked on projectiles

  • @Rortaa
    @Rortaa Před 4 lety +14

    Hi! Shoto specialist here. This video was great for people who really have zero clue about Ken and Ryu, and I love that, however for the people who need some more info I think there was some misinformation in here. I'll start with airdodging out of combos and escape options. 3:06 is a bad example considering that string is a true combo, but the player was late on inputting shoryu, thus letting out Link.
    Ken's main combo tool is crescent kick, and its essentially a mixup. A good ken will do crescent kick for the following reasons; they want to make you guess on how to escape, thus getting a follow up, or using it for a true combo like into down smash. But its mostly the first one. Mashing air dodge or jump to try and get out of their combos is a terrible idea, as any competent Ken player will know this and will punish you for it. This is where crescent comes in. If you airdodge away especially at lower percents, Ken is most likely going to chase your airdodge with a nair frame trap or run up heavy jab into another crescent. Once ken is out of down smash range for crescent, you're going to be eating mixups. You'll have to guess what the player is going to do, so sometimes air dodging in or jumping may be a good idea if they've caught another option. Just don't be obvious about it based on your habits during the match. Yes you can hit Ken out of tatsu, but that is only if he does HEAVY tatsu and your character has a frame 3 option or faster. Ken is -3 on hit when he does heavy tatsu but this changes as percent raises, and its also character dependent. (Bowser is a good example, as Ken is actually in frame advantage after heavy tatsu.) Ken will most likely do light tatsu at around 30 percent because it sends into a tech situation, and he can get a jab lock, so be ready for that. While i'm still on the topic of tatsu, you didn't mention that both of ryu and ken's tatsu has invul. Ryu has it on both of his legs, so its a lot easier for his tatsu to go through projectiles and hitboxes, obliterating zoning ( ryu is actually a partial zoner considering his playstyle is a patient bait and punish), while ken has it on his rotating leg. He can still go through many projectiles.
    When fighting Ryu, a good one is going to zone you out, actually. They'll use a lot of shaku hadoken to diminish your shield or get easy damage ( it does 14 percent ), so try to avoid contact with it. If you're going to jump, don't be obvious, because Ryu can actually use the slow version to run with it and confirm off hits. Ken's hadoken is slower in terms of speed, AND startup, and also has a lot of endlag. Use that to your advantage. Ryu's is quite fast.
    Ryu and Ken have insane amounts of invul on their moves, with key ones being light ftilt, heavy up tilt (and heavy jab), and shoryuken. If you try to jump in on them, they'll use heavy up tilt to beat out your option, since their entire upper body becomes invincible, and it's frame 7. Don't jump a lot! they'll punish you hard for it, especially ken.
    Back to escaping things, Ken is mostly the bigger problem. Here is the thing, up tilt and down tilt are safe on block, so don't try to mash against it unless your character (for example Lucina, marth), has an invincible option. If Ken does down tilt, jump out between them, and if he does up tilt, roll away. Don't make it obvious though, its easy to get frame trapped by Ken. When you are blocking and can't get away, Ken will lead into roundhouse or crescent inazuma as his block string enders. These are devasting shield breakers, and crescent inazuma is slower, so if you notice it coming out you can actually roll away. Respect his roundhouse by the way, its frame 10, and its hitbox is like two characters long or something. It's BS. he's also invincible on the leg. play a patient neutral, recognize how they approach and how they get close to you. Not every shoto is going to get bodied by mindless projectile spam and camping. They have really good counters and tools to capitalize on openings. Outrange them, space. Just make sure you don't do moves within their light ftilt distance, as it can actually beat moves like inkling back air out! That's just some information to add onto the cake that is this great video! hopefully it helped someone. Also if you're being hit by Ken shoryu, DI down and slightly away, and ryu shoryu is simply away. basically left or right on your stick depending on the direction.

  • @justacupomacaroni6387
    @justacupomacaroni6387 Před 4 lety +45

    As a Ken/Ryu main, I can confirm a lot of the info here is spot on. Well done!

  • @randombirb5911
    @randombirb5911 Před 4 lety +20

    I appreciate the quality content. You're the ONLY CZcamsr who posts content with this quality.

    • @TravPlay
      @TravPlay  Před 4 lety +1

      Thanks man. I’ll keep making good content

  • @maxime4930
    @maxime4930 Před 4 lety +10

    Hey travplay I have an important message for you. I think you saw it but, your channel is not really highlighted by CZcams, like, at all.
    At a point that when I am writing:
    How to beat ... in super smash bros ultimate
    I rarely see your video while before it was in the first recommandations. Not gonna lie I completely forgot about your channel at one moment because youtube didn't send me the notifs and I couldn't see you while reseaching things about smash on YT.
    I really don't know why because you have a concept that like no one is doing and that many people are searching for.
    So, all of that to say, keep it up and never give up, even if YT isn't great with you. You have an amazing content, don't forget it ^^

    • @TravPlay
      @TravPlay  Před 4 lety +4

      I appreciate the support. I plan to finish the series regardless of my YT analytics, and I will keep improving the quality of the content. Thanks for watching

  • @kylelove4078
    @kylelove4078 Před 3 lety +8

    My friend mains ken, I always blame the auto turn bc whenever he plays anyone else he loses lmao

    • @TravPlay
      @TravPlay  Před 3 lety +3

      That auto turn is tough to beat

  • @maxmiller9422
    @maxmiller9422 Před 4 lety +18

    my friend plays ken and most of the time he beats me so this was helpful

  • @hunterzilla9385
    @hunterzilla9385 Před 4 lety +32

    "This is why Ryu and Ken are great on WIFI."
    I'm sorry, but as a ken main, this is incorrect.
    In lag, the input timings are very different, so your moves almost never come out as intended.
    This is my only complaint, but the video was spot on

    • @nethxing
      @nethxing Před 4 lety

      Facts

    • @DiggThePump
      @DiggThePump Před 4 lety

      I was hoping someone mentioned this. Thanks for restoring my sanity

    • @CallofTheWindGod
      @CallofTheWindGod Před 4 lety

      Also did you say Ken and Ryu have terrible ledger pressure? I don’t agree, as a Ryu main i ledge pressure almost everyone i play using different speeds of Shankunetsu forcing an option i want them to commit to. Ken not so much but he can wave dash and shield pressure on ledge if you’re not careful with your options.

    • @emarythomp
      @emarythomp Před 4 lety

      Except you have the buffer system if you catch someone and just do your inputs right? I almost never see kens or ryus misinput on wifi. It might just be you man.

    • @nethxing
      @nethxing Před 4 lety +1

      @@emarythomp I can say I have missed input but I get your point but wifi shotos is still bad I can reck in offline better than WiFi

  • @Frosty-hj5fo
    @Frosty-hj5fo Před 3 lety +10

    I'm a ken and Ryu main and I'm just watching this to see what to watch myself for

  • @SuperMrmine
    @SuperMrmine Před 4 lety +2

    Finally a video when yesterday i was having issues, thanks travplay

  • @luckyshot6193
    @luckyshot6193 Před 4 lety +3

    @TravPlay please keep these vids going , and keep up your grind these vids are always helpful and exciting to watch so please keep making more

  • @siervodedios3139
    @siervodedios3139 Před 4 lety +2

    Love Ryu so much and I have a lot of friends who hate to fight against Ryu and Ken. So they might thank you for this video lol!

  • @kittycatlolzable
    @kittycatlolzable Před 4 lety +8

    as a ken main, im glad this isn't a great guide

  • @ss-pk5fy
    @ss-pk5fy Před 10 měsíci

    I missing the Stage picks, los sealings are very dangerous!

  • @leontelewis6780
    @leontelewis6780 Před 4 lety

    I usually main them both but this is helpful if I face another Ryu or Ken

  • @CA_Bidoof
    @CA_Bidoof Před 4 lety +1

    Their switch from jabs to specials are true if they are done fast enough. Idk why you are saying that. You should probably fix or specify that. The only time their jab to special transitions arent true is when they aren input quick enough or the have hit you with a strong jab. If you got out you they did one to many weak jabs or they werent close enough and you DI out

  • @avianflu4516
    @avianflu4516 Před 4 lety +5

    6th like second comment. Thank you for the shoutout and I still love your vids.

    • @TravPlay
      @TravPlay  Před 4 lety +1

      Thanks again for the advice

    • @avianflu4516
      @avianflu4516 Před 4 lety

      No problem. I play some other characters so I can still give some advice. And I know other people I play games with that play other characters.

    • @avianflu4516
      @avianflu4516 Před 4 lety

      So I can give more advice for other characters.

    • @kareemtamer4560
      @kareemtamer4560 Před 4 lety +1

      @Travplay I play pichu young link and sheik so if you want to do these characters I will be able to help

    • @kareemtamer4560
      @kareemtamer4560 Před 4 lety +1

      And thanks avian flu

  • @realwillsmith599
    @realwillsmith599 Před 3 lety +1

    As a ken main, I agree with everything except we’re dangerous in WiFi. The lag often messes up our inputs, as timing is everything for him

  • @Adrianolguinadrian
    @Adrianolguinadrian Před 4 lety +1

    Don’t... jump... above... Ken.

  • @illuzions1615
    @illuzions1615 Před 3 lety

    I like how it said option 2 when he said option 3

  • @ttv.De_Sgusting
    @ttv.De_Sgusting Před 4 lety +1

    DI I gotta our can result in a up air or nair. There is no real way to DI their combos. Just be sure to mix it up

  • @Sheamus1212
    @Sheamus1212 Před 2 lety

    I just never understood their side b attack like sometimes it sends me flying and sometimes it just barely hurts.

    • @grant2989
      @grant2989 Před 2 lety

      Ryu’s first hit box will kill pretty early but the later hit boxes are weaker, Ken’s is mainly for combos

  • @jblue88hoodgamer54
    @jblue88hoodgamer54 Před 2 lety

    I'm a Ryu Player in this game even though I also use other characters but you can defeat Ryu an Ken Player s you just gotta know what to do I've played against a Ryu player an destroyed him with DK even though You is one of my favorite character s in this game.

  • @lucasargandona4658
    @lucasargandona4658 Před 4 lety +3

    I hate these characters. They literally look like they don't even try and they do so much damage

    • @raiseanothermanskidsforlov4920
      @raiseanothermanskidsforlov4920 Před 4 lety +7

      Yeah makes up for the fact that they take more skill to learn than like 97 percent of the roster

    • @Venom-rr1vg
      @Venom-rr1vg Před 4 lety

      Yea i just got beat by a ken and he was dodging everything i did and he beat me at the end and teab@g me 😤😤

    • @raiseanothermanskidsforlov4920
      @raiseanothermanskidsforlov4920 Před 4 lety +1

      @@Venom-rr1vg lol that might've been me I just used Ken Online lmao

    • @joremiah6695
      @joremiah6695 Před 4 lety +5

      Ken/Ryu deserves all of the reward they get because of how hard they are to pick up and master bruh

    • @Red-np7wb
      @Red-np7wb Před 3 lety

      @@joremiah6695 inputs aren't hard lol

  • @jcapalot1716
    @jcapalot1716 Před 4 lety +1

    I'm a ken main watching this to become aware of possible weaknesses and manipulate it to have a game in my favor

  • @cakelord3002
    @cakelord3002 Před 4 lety

    Another thing to mention when fighting a ken if he does the side b that isn’t true so you can attack shield or counter

  • @bruhmoment5916
    @bruhmoment5916 Před 4 lety

    I have a friend that is a ken main and samus seems to bring him the most trouble. Or any character that is more projectile based

    • @Turnpost2552
      @Turnpost2552 Před 3 lety

      Ken hitstun is very broken. Its shouldnt be that strong honestly, you cant even properly play the game without single 5% jab leading to an automatic kill.
      Source Samus and Fox main.

  • @Inksploded
    @Inksploded Před rokem

    HOW DO I DEAL WH FOCUSSSSSS its his free to stage ticket

  • @SupitsMoses
    @SupitsMoses Před 4 lety +2

    Hayyyyy no fair , you know how long it takes to get good with these two???

    • @raiseanothermanskidsforlov4920
      @raiseanothermanskidsforlov4920 Před 4 lety

      There probably the hardest characters to use

    • @joremiah6695
      @joremiah6695 Před 4 lety +1

      EXACTLY
      But atleast the guide sucks

    • @Red-np7wb
      @Red-np7wb Před 3 lety

      @@raiseanothermanskidsforlov4920 wdym? Inputs aren't hard lol.

    • @raiseanothermanskidsforlov4920
      @raiseanothermanskidsforlov4920 Před 3 lety

      @@Red-np7wb for smash players they are there not hard for me but they are harder to use than every other smash character except maybe the ice climbers

    • @Red-np7wb
      @Red-np7wb Před 3 lety

      @@raiseanothermanskidsforlov4920 lmao I main peach, falcon, and somewhat ice climbers. They aren't too hard, it's just timing your attacks. Have a nice day though!

  • @tcjc2216
    @tcjc2216 Před 4 lety +1

    Is this pretty much the same for Terry?

  • @vincentdilworth3519
    @vincentdilworth3519 Před 4 lety +1

    Yo trav could you do a link guide because mine is struggling

  • @spiralanimations7736
    @spiralanimations7736 Před 3 lety

    It’s impossible to punish them online because spot dodge is broken online

  • @Kickbuttman3
    @Kickbuttman3 Před 3 lety

    I think that Ryu clip in the beginning was me. I'm a Ryu main and I always go for the orange alt because it makes me look like goku and that looked like my play style. damn I can't believe so one recorded my epic fail lol

  • @nottnert
    @nottnert Před 3 lety

    ima ken main and I just gotta say ken and ryu are probably the most satisfying charaters to get combos on (im saying that you combo as ken/ryu)

  • @Dexwin09
    @Dexwin09 Před 3 lety

    1.5k+ hour Ryu/Ken player here to see what you know and how I can teach others on how to avoid doing it.
    4:01 space properly and master the kara cancel shoryuken(high recovery) hadoken(if they roll in) tatsumaki(getup attack, invis frame are op, expecially Ryu's). If they stay on ledge, release your down smash, it will hit them if you are in positioned correctly (practice this spacing).
    6:27 only use this to close the gap on a tech chase, or to block 1 annoying arial and catch them (if you short hop focus vs marth/lucia/peach/daisy's fair you can quickly cancel AWAY from them and throw a fast fireball to catch them, do this a few times and they will stop doing fairs lol). Avoid using this vs characters with multi hits. Only use this when you conditioned your opponent to shield, you can quickly short hop and do a descending dragon for a free shield break. (more on this on Maktheknife's channel).
    9:05 - just throw a slow hadouken to the stage to cover you, focus cancel forward and either true shoryuken for invis frames or jump watch and quickly grab the edge. The slow fireball should give you enough coverage (if they are shielding in the corner waiting for you, the hadouken will stun them and push them back slightly).
    Most importantly, after you have a stock lead. Just do the Ken Flow Chart. It works wonders. ( i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/065/ken.jpg ) but instead of a jump high kick, this will be your jump neutral air lol
    Most of you do not know this but there is actually a Heavy, Light and MEDIUM input for all 3 hadouken, shoryuken, and tatsumaki.
    After you condition your opponent to fast(heavy) and slow(light) hadouken when doing your Ken Flow chart. Throw in a medium Hadouken HOVER! (short hop forward and medium hadouken) when you want to approach, the medium speed will throw most fighters off since they are conditioned to the fast/slow versions and they may either 1: double jump, 2: air dodge 3: shield
    If they double jump both Ken and Ryu's upair is deadly, so deadly it can beat Bowsers down air if timed properly, which can quickly be followed up by a shoryuken.
    If they air dodge, enjoy your free combo
    if they shield, the shield stun should be enough time for you to get as closed as you can, downsmash into (roundhouse for Ken, Tatsumaki as Ryu) This is a free shield break.
    remember, use the Ken Flow Chart when you have a lead. You want your opponent to do the approaching, you never want to approach.

  • @zebvv
    @zebvv Před 4 lety +1

    aS a KeN mAiN i shbould go and sell the game

  • @mellud23
    @mellud23 Před 4 lety +1

    How to beat luigi?

    • @TravPlay
      @TravPlay  Před 4 lety

      Eventually. I have poll for who to do next, and ZSS is winning right now.

    • @CinnamintSsb
      @CinnamintSsb Před 4 lety

      @@TravPlay tell everyone to vote shulk

  • @nofatchxplzthx
    @nofatchxplzthx Před 4 lety +1

    there is no single attack that can beat focus attack, no matter how strong it is

    • @PaiReza
      @PaiReza Před 4 lety +3

      focus attack has armor based on how long you charge it. I think the most notable difference is ganon side smash will go through focus 1 and 2 but not 3

    • @doctorfletch2646
      @doctorfletch2646 Před 4 lety

      Doriyah

  • @jaheimsmith8662
    @jaheimsmith8662 Před 3 lety

    All u have to do is pick a spamming zoning character

  • @BOunderBob
    @BOunderBob Před 4 lety +1

    As a Shoto main I just have to say NONE OF THIS IS TRUE. Just forget you saw anything and move on :)

    • @Renin_Reyulo
      @Renin_Reyulo Před 4 lety

      As a shoto main. This video has plenty true. Like Ken tatsu being minus frames on hit.

    • @TonyDGunner
      @TonyDGunner Před 4 lety

      That's only if you use heavy tatsu each time.

    • @Renin_Reyulo
      @Renin_Reyulo Před 4 lety

      @@TonyDGunner Okay? That's not the point. The idea was that this video makes points. Also Light tatsu is minus on hit under 10%.

  • @Flatzone_Kingdom
    @Flatzone_Kingdom Před 2 lety

    I like and respect the characters in their respective games...
    But in Smash are a royal Paint in the ass... so annoying

  • @sakuyaizayoi2441
    @sakuyaizayoi2441 Před 4 lety +1

    How to beat Luigi, King De de de plz

    • @grant2989
      @grant2989 Před 2 lety

      Camp Luigi (easier said than done)

  • @aztechero5304
    @aztechero5304 Před 4 lety

    I hope yall have fun trying to beat my Ken 😏😏😏

  • @ValiantSpear
    @ValiantSpear Před 3 lety +1

    Lol this character is broken

  • @siervodedios3139
    @siervodedios3139 Před 4 lety

    Everyone hates to play against my Ryu lol

    • @Turnpost2552
      @Turnpost2552 Před 3 lety

      its because your carried. Try playing as shiek, lucina or fox and see the hidden cheese.

    • @nep7939
      @nep7939 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Turnpost2552Lucina takes like no skill at all tho

  • @jrymanowski
    @jrymanowski Před 4 lety

    REPORTED.
    (ken main)

  • @felipechoy2156
    @felipechoy2156 Před 4 lety

    As a Ken main, DONT SPAM AIRD DODGE WHEN YOURE COMBOED, most of setup have that in mind, only bad kens keep spaming F-smash after crossing kick, but a good ken goda keep the pressure on you. This is not a very good guide, the best you can do is keeping the pressure in the edge for them

    • @emarythomp
      @emarythomp Před 4 lety

      Good to know I’ll leave a dislike