Amateur On A SUPER Bike VS Ex-Pro On A £150 Bike

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  • Do you really have to buy a 'super bike' to set a fast time down the trails? We put this to the test by sending two riders down the same trail, one is Ex-Pro Racer Neil Donoghue and the other is our in-house amateur Mark Westlake. However, Neil will be setting his time on a £150 trail bike and Mark will be using the £5000+ custom Nukeproof Giga 290. Let's see if the bike really does matter or if it's all about the rider!
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    00:00 - Intro
    00:40 - Amateur (Mark Westlake)
    01:03 - The Super Bike
    01:42 - Ex-Pro (Neil Donoghue) + The Cheap Bike
    02:41 - Amateur's Run (Mark Westlake)
    04:51 - Ex-Pro's Run (Neil Donoghue)
    07:06 - The Results
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Komentáře • 147

  • @MikeNolan_councilman
    @MikeNolan_councilman Před 8 měsíci +104

    That wheel lift through the switchback at 3:52 was class

  • @Mark-Westlake
    @Mark-Westlake Před 8 měsíci +165

    Thanks for letting me borrow your bike Neil! Sorry for crashing it 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @KotakMeister
      @KotakMeister Před 8 měsíci +17

      "...who's that guy?"
      Danny did you dirty 😆😆😆

    • @richardpayne5176
      @richardpayne5176 Před 8 měsíci +5

      That’s my poor B-Twin 😂😂😂 your lucky the front wheel didn’t fall out

    • @Mark-Westlake
      @Mark-Westlake Před 8 měsíci +1

      Safety zip tie saving the day!

    • @AshfordMTB
      @AshfordMTB Před 8 měsíci +2

      Surely Neil has crashed it already?

    • @LaurentiusTriarius
      @LaurentiusTriarius Před 8 měsíci +1

      Great skills 👌😎

  • @Ali_Clarkson
    @Ali_Clarkson Před 8 měsíci +34

    Great to see Mark in front of the camera, I've known him for over a decade and he's a very decent chap indeed! Please use him in more videos :)

    • @ExplosiveNotes
      @ExplosiveNotes Před 8 měsíci +1

      Also nice of famous Donny Magooskl to appear. I hope you've finally checked him out 😁 (I know it's ages since that joke, but I still find it funny).

    • @Mark-Westlake
      @Mark-Westlake Před 8 měsíci +1

      Thali

  • @blurglide
    @blurglide Před 8 měsíci +39

    That bike looks shockingly good for $190. I'm surprised the fork even had damping for that price. I've paid more for a seat! I remember in the early 90's, MBAction tested a $100 huffy (more like $200 inflation adjusted) and it failed in a dozen comical ways.

    • @sprayy7519
      @sprayy7519 Před 7 měsíci +2

      160 used . the bike was 500 when it came out in 2018

    • @blurglide
      @blurglide Před 7 měsíci

      @@sprayy7519 Ahhhh- that makes a lot more sense.

  • @reluctantconformist
    @reluctantconformist Před 6 měsíci +4

    I'd love to see a blind/placebo test where people don't know if the bike is cheap or quality to see how they feel about their runs 😅

  • @liquidSpin
    @liquidSpin Před 8 měsíci +11

    GMBN: You guys have to do these videos where they swap the bike again. Ex-pro rider gets on the top level bike and the amateur rider gets on the cheaper bike (preferably one that is in new condition)
    The times I don't think will be as close :)

    • @Mark-Westlake
      @Mark-Westlake Před 8 měsíci +7

      I'm glad we didn't have that idea before we filmed this 😂 That B-Twin didn't look like the most fun bike in the world!

  • @floydblandston108
    @floydblandston108 Před 8 měsíci +4

    For anyone interested in these various 'bike/rider' permutations, there's an easy solution; go to a race! Enter it while you're there! There's always a 'beginner' class, and that means beginning racer, not rider- so give it a try and see where your skills are really at. There's no shame for being slow, the cameraderie is incredible, and it's huge fun....pretty addictive too.
    After that, if you want to justify some new bling for the bike, you just say, "well now, this will save 20 grams/be more aero/or otherwise make me faster". 😂

  • @jonmordecai7245
    @jonmordecai7245 Před 8 měsíci +3

    More of Mark please, great job taking on the pro’s

  • @TheresAntsInMyPants
    @TheresAntsInMyPants Před 8 měsíci +1

    Woah fresh video! Absolutely smashing these videos!

  • @bikeshredz
    @bikeshredz Před 8 měsíci +3

    Great to see Mark on the Channel or as we call him "Hardtail Mark" 👌

  • @themasonexpedition
    @themasonexpedition Před 8 měsíci +12

    Would be cool to see a bike swap as well, to see how much time difference a nice bike makes for an amateur vs a pro, since I suppose most people want to know if it's worth upgrading their bike for self improvement.

  • @iggalan
    @iggalan Před 8 měsíci +12

    Upgrade the Rockrider to 1x12, wider handlebars and see how it does. It could be quite a nice bike for a little investment.

    • @bibasik7
      @bibasik7 Před 8 měsíci +1

      It still has a steep head tube angle

    • @hananas2
      @hananas2 Před 7 měsíci

      Yeah! Although maybe 1x11 to keep the budget down a bit, 1x11 seeems nice enough for this bike.

    • @AdamThygerson-lm1gt
      @AdamThygerson-lm1gt Před měsícem

      @@hananas2 whos paying for a 1x11 with a bike like that, no offense but the suspension is practically crap.

  • @andyb5012
    @andyb5012 Před 8 měsíci +3

    I think mark would make a good addition to GMBN well done

  • @hardtailharry6812
    @hardtailharry6812 Před 8 měsíci

    hardly an amateur, he Smashed it! cool vid 👌

  • @thatraymond
    @thatraymond Před 8 měsíci +1

    Not sure I'd qualify Mark as amateur. I mean, technically maybe, but the guy has skills!

  • @Stobo33
    @Stobo33 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I have a new version of that btwin, with a 1x and a few choice upgrades, and my experience with the bike couldn't be further from Neil's! Great video nonetheless!

  • @maxbodifee3263
    @maxbodifee3263 Před 7 měsíci

    I am really impressed by how the btwin performed. It didn't even break really and you were flying over those tech sections

  • @jamesrawlings8080
    @jamesrawlings8080 Před 8 měsíci

    Brakeless challenge next, great work and more Mark content please!!!

  • @trailswithtrevor1509
    @trailswithtrevor1509 Před 8 měsíci +1

  • @gabrys187
    @gabrys187 Před 8 měsíci +10

    It would be nice to see how this B-twin does with some reasonable upgrades (wider bars, 1-by drivetrain, brakes, maybe suspension), as it is a very popular bike among beginners. Not the most expensive modifications, but good price to value.😉

    • @tubularmonkeymaniac
      @tubularmonkeymaniac Před 8 měsíci +4

      It's really annoying to see cheap bikes get written off. Wide bars, a dropper and 1x would have made a massive difference.

    • @Stobo33
      @Stobo33 Před 8 měsíci +1

      I have the newer version of that bike with exactly those upgrades and I believe better geo and it handles black trails quite handedly

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  Před 8 měsíci +4

      We've given it a couple of upgrades! You can check out how the guys changed things up here: czcams.com/video/2u3O4Ez2u5M/video.htmlsi=BWcuA-KaqQxiHQc2

    • @gabrys187
      @gabrys187 Před 8 měsíci

      @@gmbn Yeah, I've seen this one right after being releaed 😃 That's a good way 😉
      Maybe there is some potential in idea to make these bikes performing possibly best for a specified amount od money. Unnecesarily only one mod each 🤑

    • @kpsig
      @kpsig Před 7 měsíci

      Just get a good second hand front fork and middle shock absorber and that‘s it. Provided that it already has Aluminium stem and bar, crank arms and pedals.

  • @TE_53349
    @TE_53349 Před 8 měsíci +2

    as a person who used to own the btwin in this video, im stoked to see it. i now own a 2012 nukeproof scalp with over £1000 in upgrades

  • @ESP4762
    @ESP4762 Před 8 měsíci

    Which mudguards front and rear are these? Looks slick
    Of course I'm asking about Nukeptoof =)

  • @krehme
    @krehme Před 8 měsíci

    Good fun to watch! How about a main stream brand with a head to head bottom of the range to top?

  • @claudiufloroiu7957
    @claudiufloroiu7957 Před 8 měsíci +4

    Put an 1×11 on that btwin and its good enough to have fun on

  • @McSchwabl
    @McSchwabl Před 8 měsíci +9

    Just keep the bike, Neil has enough good bikes

  • @djbayr9516
    @djbayr9516 Před 8 měsíci +2

    What about upgrading the BTWIN into something interesting with proper cranks etc.

  • @KyriaxWitch
    @KyriaxWitch Před 8 měsíci +1

    i want to see that rockrider with an slx 2x12 and front suspension upgrade.
    this trend of wide bars sucks a lot for me because having 1,55cm ride an bike with 70cm+ bars is like drive an bus.
    on my two mtb 27.5 my bars have 66cm and ride like an dream

  • @mateimarconi
    @mateimarconi Před 8 měsíci

    Sick DnB tracks, love it!‼️

  • @edmundhodgson2572
    @edmundhodgson2572 Před 7 měsíci

    confidence is everything. period

  • @jon_lu4123
    @jon_lu4123 Před 8 měsíci

    Maybe upgrade that btwin with some affordable components and see how it fairs. Great content. 😎

  • @robtotoonchie3955
    @robtotoonchie3955 Před 8 měsíci

    What's that jacket Neil is wearing at the beginning? Looks nice and light!

  • @paulcole9636
    @paulcole9636 Před 8 měsíci

    I have a budget trek marlin 6 which seems to get a lot of flak. I bought it to get me back off road without breaking the bank until I have learnt the basics again. I'd be intrigued to see one tested. Mines a 2021 marlin

    • @Durwood71
      @Durwood71 Před 8 měsíci

      Marlins are solid bikes. I have a Marlin 8, and it has served me very well on my local chunky trails.

  • @jackcurzon1133
    @jackcurzon1133 Před 8 měsíci +2

    I like the concept of this video, perhaps run again without such a cheap cheapo bike😊

    • @MrMuz99
      @MrMuz99 Před 8 měsíci

      That would take away from the concept of the video!

  • @joevose6601
    @joevose6601 Před 6 měsíci

    Would have been nice to see Marks ride on normal his bike and Neil ride his bike for more context. Also would be intresting to see another video on the model or two above this to find where the value starts to come into it. is that £300 or £500 or £800

  • @youcanifyouwantto
    @youcanifyouwantto Před 8 měsíci +2

    Not a $160 bike if your tyres are swapped for tyres that are worth more than half the bike. Mazza tyres doing a lot of the work here ....

  • @012antrode
    @012antrode Před 8 měsíci +2

    Nice test! Now the same test on the same tyres / tyres sizes / rim widths :)

  • @Newbieriderr
    @Newbieriderr Před 8 měsíci

    lol, that suubtle cameo

  • @m4tt12
    @m4tt12 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Love that the pedals are worth as much as the rest if the bike 😂

  • @srstrand01
    @srstrand01 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Please have Mark on more often.

  • @SumGuyLovesVideos
    @SumGuyLovesVideos Před 8 měsíci +1

    I'd love to know the Ex-Pro on the super bike speed on the same course

  • @T0NI_
    @T0NI_ Před 4 měsíci

    Now I might just have a different definition of "amateur", but from his introduction, this Mike fella doesn't seem very "amateurish" to me

  • @Kim_Miller
    @Kim_Miller Před 8 měsíci

    Win or lose, the only diplomatic response would be to hand the win to the guy who manages your online content. 🙂

  • @barbedwirerat661
    @barbedwirerat661 Před 8 měsíci +2

    This is shocking to me. I mean it has been a few years since I have been looking at mtb prices, but if you were to spend less than $500 USD on a new full suspension bike in the States, it would be seriously damaged at the end of that first run down the mountain. I don't even think there is much in the way of full suspension options between $500-$1500.

    • @Durwood71
      @Durwood71 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Any full suspension bike in that price range always has stickers on it warning you not to ride it on mountain bike trails.

  • @djgolf3256
    @djgolf3256 Před 8 měsíci +3

    There's no way that cheap bike is $200. It has the same vittoria mazza tires your expensive bike has.

  • @levimaxwell7745
    @levimaxwell7745 Před 8 měsíci

    B twin pimp my ride edition 😎

  • @paolocipriani4762
    @paolocipriani4762 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Pretty inaccurate.. Actually the 540s is an old model (2017) that was selled for around 600€... maybe 850€ if still on the market now. The S stands for suspended by the way.

  • @Zombytes
    @Zombytes Před 8 měsíci +1

    Can anyone explain whats up with the yellow tap on the handlebars?

    • @andydtkd
      @andydtkd Před 8 měsíci +3

      Probably means you have paid to use the bike park?!

    • @Mark-Westlake
      @Mark-Westlake Před 8 měsíci +2

      It was the band we were given to get access to the uplift 👍

    • @Zombytes
      @Zombytes Před 8 měsíci

      Oh wow gotcha, where im at bike parks are free, so i couldnt imagine having to pay to ride one ha @@andydtkd

  • @xosece
    @xosece Před 4 měsíci

    rockrider has some decent products, but while the cheap bike wasn't that great, what surprises me the most is that it is a double suspension bike for that price. Ideally, the non pro guy could drive the cheaper bike too, just out of curiosity

  • @greengonzonz
    @greengonzonz Před 8 měsíci +1

    Plus's are the brakes actually work, the minuses are everything else 😂😂😂

  • @tmill2001
    @tmill2001 Před 8 měsíci

    I wouldnt have fun on a sketchy bike...now the nukeproof 😊

  • @goatsplitter
    @goatsplitter Před 4 měsíci

    My mate and I ride Enduro a lot and have the same bike (YT jeffsy). Usually we're pretty even. Until last year when he bought the YT Capra and he started super pulling away. I couldn't keep up no matter what. He says the bike is better than him. I think the type of bike can make a big difference.

  • @E.T_rode_bikes_As_well
    @E.T_rode_bikes_As_well Před 8 měsíci +2

    Btwin looks way funner to ride.

  • @pim962
    @pim962 Před 4 měsíci

    The S stands for suspension (refering to the rear one). As an ex Decathlete, on the bike department, I know this

  • @nunovitorino
    @nunovitorino Před 7 měsíci

    That's not a £150. It cost around $500 when it was new. It's curious how GMBN's stance on Decathlon's bikes changes depending on whether they're being sponsored or not.

  • @jamesmincher3435
    @jamesmincher3435 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Remember mark from Ali clarkson channel years back

    • @Mark-Westlake
      @Mark-Westlake Před 8 měsíci +1

      Have had plenty of good times on Ali's channel!

  • @Durwood71
    @Durwood71 Před 8 měsíci +1

    So a highly skilled "amateur" rides like a pro versus a former pro.

  • @126productions8
    @126productions8 Před 8 měsíci

    Get Mark on more often!

  • @DomFishingUK
    @DomFishingUK Před 3 měsíci

    so the btwin in £150 for the whole bike so your basically buying the tyres and the rest is of the bike is about 50 quid

  • @andyarchitect
    @andyarchitect Před 8 měsíci

    Maybe you can do a part 2 where you both swap bikes to see how well a pro rider can overcome the limitations of an inferior bike compared to an average rider.

    • @Durwood71
      @Durwood71 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Neither of these guys qualify as "an average rider".

  • @user-yv2cz8oj1k
    @user-yv2cz8oj1k Před 8 měsíci +2

    Well what would you expect for a bike costing 150, now try it with a bike costing 500-1000 range and tell me it's the same.
    You know it isn't,

  • @kevinmillet4914
    @kevinmillet4914 Před 8 měsíci +2

    The « S » is for « suspendu » suspended in French not for sport 😁

  • @JohanMagnusson1
    @JohanMagnusson1 Před 7 měsíci

    Less than 120mm travel 😂❤

  • @chibani_gl
    @chibani_gl Před 8 měsíci

    It would have been interesting that you swap the bikes for a second run

  • @rafaelalbertotorres8070
    @rafaelalbertotorres8070 Před 7 měsíci

    I wouldn't call Mark an "amateur", as he was a sponsored rider at some point. He can ride. Maybe the dude he passed would be considered an amateur.

  • @shanelewis7052
    @shanelewis7052 Před 7 měsíci

    £150 is a pretty good bargain for that level of bike. However when are you gonna do actually brand new ones for that price? I.E. Apollos and what not.

  • @StefanDrake
    @StefanDrake Před 8 měsíci +2

    might as well drop em here for the btwin ST540s, they're in the following order S,M,L,XL
    TT Length
    555 mm
    585 mm
    615 mm
    635 mm
    ST Length
    443 mm
    443 mm
    443 mm
    493 mm
    HT Length
    115 mm
    130 mm
    140 mm
    155 mm
    F Length
    508 mm
    508 mm
    508 mm
    508 mm
    Rake
    42 mm
    42 mm
    42 mm
    BB Height
    336 mm
    336 mm
    336 mm
    336 mm
    BB Drop
    15 mm
    15 mm
    15 mm
    15 mm
    Stack
    582 mm
    596 mm
    605 mm
    619 mm
    Reach
    377 mm
    403mm
    430 mm
    446 mm
    Cs Length (Horizontal)
    436 mm
    436 mm
    436 mm
    436 mm
    Wheel Base
    1082 mm
    1113 mm
    1144 mm
    1165 mm
    ST Angle
    73°
    73°
    73°
    73°
    HT Angle
    68,5°
    68,5°
    68,
    68,5°
    Stem Length
    70 mm
    80 mm
    80 mm
    90 mm
    Handlebar Width
    720 mm
    720 mm
    720 mm
    720 mm

  • @DickVanPaiton
    @DickVanPaiton Před 7 měsíci

    That Ergon grips on the cheap bike are worth more cash than the frame :-D

  • @googlepixel9pro
    @googlepixel9pro Před 8 měsíci +1

    Might be better 2k vs 9k bike.

  • @braidencarter9646
    @braidencarter9646 Před 7 měsíci

    Seeing the nukeproof bike😢

  • @6295607
    @6295607 Před 7 měsíci

    Lol this amateur is 10x better than me. 😸

  • @InitialP_Photography
    @InitialP_Photography Před 7 měsíci +1

    So the "amateur" is a seasoned trials rider who's friends with one of the best bike riders in the world, hardly a good comparison is it?

  • @steveptasznik6147
    @steveptasznik6147 Před 8 měsíci +1

    That was a pretty nice "cheap" bike foe $200.

  • @Michael_11
    @Michael_11 Před 8 měsíci

    Really great video idea but feels a little half arsed, i know it's not meant to be super scientific but if you are asking these questions that people are interested to watch, please put the effort in to come out with a more comprohensive conclusion, with the amount of disruption both runs had you really should of gone and done another run, lazy corner cutting not to, what about base times for pro on the pro bike and amateur on the cheap bike, it might of cost you half a day extra but quality matters.

  • @deanhayes98
    @deanhayes98 Před 7 měsíci +3

    I think the snobbery in mountain biking has reached ridiculous levels. It’s no longer about just getting involved, the scene demands you have a £3000 FS bike regardless of your skills which is disappointing. Sure, that BTWIN bike isn’t going to hold up at full pelt down a track like that and expecting it to would be ludicrous. But for some riders it may be all they can afford, and what’s actually stopping them using that bike on the trails? Nothing. And lets be honest those with hugely expensive rigs can’t afford it either and most are bought via cycle-to-work or on some kind of finance that eventually cripples them in an agreement on a bike that they’ve ruined and is now trash.
    Yeah it’s fun to watch a cheap bike get mullered by pros but as a starting point for someone developing into the sport/hobby it would be great and provide them experience over time of upgrading forks, drive chain and other components. Shame on GMBN for being such snobs

  • @godtiergodkiller8854
    @godtiergodkiller8854 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Those wheels alone are more than 200$. That bike is nowhere near as cheap as 200$

  • @dooleh84
    @dooleh84 Před 8 měsíci +1

    That's the cheapest bike you can find?

  • @chrisblackburn715
    @chrisblackburn715 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Pretty low effort video to not do more than one run to try and get a time that means somthing. I know its just a bit of fun but when you see the work other channels are putting in this is not great.

  • @user-jm2mt9hk8y
    @user-jm2mt9hk8y Před 8 měsíci

    Everyone's always laughing at rockrider but even the cheap bike DID do the trail AND was quicker at some parts ... And they do sell way more capable bikes with better components but offcourse at a higher price.

  • @vlbz
    @vlbz Před 7 měsíci

    How can a bike be made that cheap? That's nothing. Take the cheapest proper fs bike ~2k. Account for the usual profit margins, it's probably worth around half of that. That's still 6.5x as much. I'm surprised 150 covers stuff like taxes, salaries, storage and shipping.

  • @leonardgerz9388
    @leonardgerz9388 Před 7 měsíci

    Wait the whole bike was 150 quid? XD

  • @godtiergodkiller8854
    @godtiergodkiller8854 Před 8 měsíci +2

    That $200 bike is more like $1800. There is no way a bike like that is 200$. It has better components that a trek marlin 8.

  • @TheSpagecko
    @TheSpagecko Před 6 měsíci

    That’s no amateur 😂

  • @jonathanbrown6720
    @jonathanbrown6720 Před 8 měsíci +7

    You guys are always very scathing of cheap bikes, buts all that lots of people can afford. You're really lucky to be spoilt with the bikes you ride! You could have 40 riders having fun over less technical trails on the rockrider compared to the nukeproof at £6500. Just saying...

  • @henrikhedberg5922
    @henrikhedberg5922 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I think it would be even more interesting to see if a super bike would make an average rider faster compared to the bike he/she normally rides.

  • @raziel8321
    @raziel8321 Před 8 měsíci +5

    I find the comparisons on this channel very useless. there is always some cheating. gravel vs mtb, where everyone rides different routes, for example. and so again here. The cheap bike usually costs significantly more than stated here. over €700, so is that a used price again? A real cheap MTB would be significantly more dangerous and demand more from the rider. Above a certain price, the equipment of a bike is good enough that only professionals notice the differences to the high end and you can work well with it.

    • @Mark-Westlake
      @Mark-Westlake Před 8 měsíci +1

      The guys bought that bike for £160, it was part of the Cheap Bike Challenge series. It may have originally cost more, but if you can pick one up second hand for £160 it's still worth exploring it as an option instead of buying a brand new bike that would sell for £160.

    • @raziel8321
      @raziel8321 Před 8 měsíci +3

      @@Mark-Westlake Maybe, but it distorts the presentation again. and makes the title clickbait. Whenever cheap is compared with expensive, it is never really cheap. And the further you go up in price, the more the differences to high-end bikes become relativized. until in the end the difference in performance is almost 0.
      It's like comparing a €5000 car with a brand new compact car. only that the €5000 car is a Mercedes E Class that was brought in. Which is of course technically a completely different level as a new 5000€ Sandero
      Unfortunately, it's typical for the channel that a lot of comparisons are just for show. Pure entertainment, but little to no serious message. because every comparison has hundreds of variables that are not taken into account or are intentionally distorted.

  • @htonmusic
    @htonmusic Před 8 měsíci +1

    hehe

  • @cmdmd
    @cmdmd Před 4 měsíci

    This is not the best comparison.
    You need a CONTROL. You ride the pro on the super bike FIRST.

  • @kennethcampbell7263
    @kennethcampbell7263 Před 8 měsíci

    Nope the S stands for another word for when you want the silence to be so it so you say shhhhhhhhhit

  • @SergejGrabun
    @SergejGrabun Před 8 měsíci +2

    Amateur? Ok...

  • @Magoo71
    @Magoo71 Před 8 měsíci

    C'mon Neil....These cheap bikes are CHEAP for a reason!

  • @sapinva
    @sapinva Před 8 měsíci +1

    Yeah, surprise. Makes no difference. Spend your money on a squat rack and ride more.

  • @jankeydan9294
    @jankeydan9294 Před 8 měsíci +1

    If you need an actual amateur I’m free 😅

  • @fud1376
    @fud1376 Před 8 měsíci

    Not exactly an Amateur rider then.....Come on...do it properly ffs.....Ha !

  • @darkwinter-lll
    @darkwinter-lll Před 7 měsíci

    Cheap bike is okay for a skinny teen adults need better equipment 😂

  • @MozeysCrib
    @MozeysCrib Před 5 měsíci

    amateur my asssss

  • @SwordFighterPKN
    @SwordFighterPKN Před 8 měsíci

    You know you are spoiled with 8grand US is considered "cheap"

  • @cmpondeck33
    @cmpondeck33 Před 8 měsíci +11

    Literally a rip off, I can get a brand new motorbike for 6k.

    • @UnjustifiedRecs
      @UnjustifiedRecs Před 8 měsíci +12

      As a life long mtber the prices have always been stupid but it IS getting more and more unsustainable, the people paying 9k are the problem though, if people stopped buying, they'd have to bring the prices down because there sure as shit isn't 9k of gear and labour on an mtb

    • @alexplane5359
      @alexplane5359 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Or 3 second hand bmw's
      I've not bought a new bike since 2005
      Unbelievable the prices these days

    • @andreaTRY2FLY
      @andreaTRY2FLY Před 8 měsíci +2

      Just because i can, does not mean i want to. A 6k mtb in incomparable to a 6k motorbike. You don't have to buy a 6k mtb, just like you don't have to buy a 50k motorbike

    • @dave_clarke
      @dave_clarke Před 8 měsíci +4

      Apples to oranges. You're comparing a top spec race mountain bike to a cheap road spec motorcycle. Let's compare price vs. value of a race MTB vs a race motorbike. As someone else pointed out, you don't have to spend £6k on a bike.

    • @alexplane5359
      @alexplane5359 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Bikes never used to be up to 10 grand, they were top spec and cost under half the price, the manufacturers keep knocking out new stuff we don't need, like mobile phones etc. I seen a guy ride whistler a line I think on a BMX , they are forcing us to spend big, the gap between rich folk and guys just having fun is way getting bigger, hopefully a new brand comes out and keeps it real. Mtb'er since 1992, when top spec Bikes cost a grand. Sometimes technology should just pause for a year or 3. Focus on the original fun what got us into it, kids these days come straight into mint Bikes. Should have to do mtb course first on cantilever brakes to appreciate the fun is not just money. Eventually this will happen, people can't afford a 6 grand bike, think about the kids coming through needing pure coin to keep up. Anyhow this could run, pants discussion, most people realise it's out of hand now. Peace out 🙃