Sparrows Challenge Vault Review
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- čas přidán 22. 11. 2019
- Well, THIS is something interesting and new! It’s really great to see a well thought out kit to help you learn the art of safe cracking. I’ve enjoyed my time with this one, that’s for sure :-) Sparrows sent me this kit for review, thanks Sparrows :-) www.sparrowslockpicks.com/pro...
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Well, THIS is something interesting and new! It’s really great to see a well thought out kit to help you learn the art of safe cracking. I’ve enjoyed my time with this one, that’s for sure :-) Sparrows sent me this kit for review, thanks Sparrows :-) www.sparrowslockpicks.com/product_p/sdail.htm
Another excellent video.
A question many of us have is;
In the downloadable text manual, does it reference how to defeat false gates ?
@@torchofkck4989 no it doesn't.
@@TonySLocks ,
Thank you for response & the information.
@@torchofkck4989 I have a copy if you want to see it
@@TonySLocks ,
Thanks anyways
I do appreciate the offer.
Currently only my phone
has Internet access &
Not much storage.
Thanks again.
This is a great system for learning safe lock manipulation. It is based on the manipulation principle created by Harry Miller the inventor of the modern safe lock. In the 1950s he created the company Lockmasters, which at the time was a mail order correspondence course for locksmiths to learn safe lock manipulation. What better person to teach you how to exploit the weaknesses of a lock, but the guy who invented it.
Sparrows is freakin awesome! This is exactly why I love that company! They come up with the coolest ways to separate me from my money.
They do :-)
If I wasn't self employed, I'd be talking to Accounting to arrange a direct payroll withdrawsl for Sparrows.
I bought mine yesterday for my dad, this is extremely cool product from Sparrows. Safe Manipulation has remained off limits for most locksport enthusiast until now. Will hopefully be doing a review when I get it in.
Hope you enjoy it :-)
Just got it in...yes I cheated. I gave to my dad, may not see it again. Looked well made, hopefully I'll get a chance to do a video on it.
An excellent explanation with a beautifully done video tutorial on a very complex mechanism! You’ve certainly put in a large amount of personal time for the rest of us that are interested in safe cracking! Thank you!!!
A great new product from Sparrows! Would keep people busy for hours, and they’ve got everything included. Love it! 😁🥚
It’s cool 😎
That looks brilliant, just like the old movies I used to watch as a kid, with the bank robbers doing it
It’s very cool
I saw UK Lockpickers post Sparrows introduction last night.
I'm very intrigued by it, eventhough I've never encountered such a vault yet.
Thanks for your indepth review!
Ahhh... 🤔 ordered it 😎
Thanks 🙏
Sparrows made a video about it yesterday. Looks like a very interesting product. Good thing the hinge pin can be pushed out in case of emergency
They think of a lot
Yes, that’s going to save a lot of smashed boxes lol
First one on the CZcamss with a review... designing products for Sparrows has it's perks! More than the community can buy them!! ;)
First for once feels good :-)
Outstanding review Lock Noob. I love that Sparrows is constantly doing new things. Which is one of many reasons I always recommend Sparrows to newcomers. Thank you for sharing this
Thanks friend 😊
I bought this about a year ago and I have had a great time learning how to decode a safe, I do admit that after using this for a year I have got much better but I don’t see a future as a crook. LOL
Great video thank you for sharing.
Great video! I bought this after watching the Sparrows video they put out yesterday and watching this made me glad I did!
Makes you wonder how someone can dislike such a great video... Don't take it to heart Lock Noob, it's not your fault their safes got cracked, HA!
Lol
Interesting idea. It's great that sparrows are diving deeper into different locks.
I'm still waiting for the sparrows disc detainer pick to be realeased.
Thanks for the great review mate.
Thank you 😊
That looks fun 😂👍🏻 & a great review 👍🏻
Such a cool way to learn safe manipulation, great review.
Thank you Daz you rock!
Looks great, especially with the different levers.👍🏼👍🏼
It’s really cool 😎
Thanks for a fantastic review Ash. Looks like a great piece of kit. Thanks for sharing and take care mate.
Thanks Gazz mate 😊
Nice video. Seen a couple of videos on this so far but I like your approach of showing the back of it and how the mechanism is working as it works. Great idea.
Thank you 🙏
The relocker is there because the old weak point of many safes was too use a hammer push cam and wheel pack out of the lock via the cam and spindle. Then open. If that technique is now used, and the back plate is broken, the relocker engages keeping the safe locked. Not sure if that made sense in my explanation, but trying to channel my inner MHM :P
Cool looking product. Although the dial didn't sound super smooth when you were turning it, I thought I heard scraping and thought I saw friction, it really should be super smooth. Though maybe I was just seeing things and maybe your mic setup is just too good :)
I went out an bought a 2nd hand S&G 6730 from ebay to practice on , which wasn't cheap either, so the price in my opinion is rather good actually!.. so long as the quality is there.
Love the increments they've come up with, great idea!
Thanks for the comment: -)
Great video. It's awesome that you took the time to explain how it works, which was just interesting on its own regardless of the product (which looks cool)
Thanks 🙏
Fantastic review, Ash! I love this educational product. 👍
Thanks Enzo :-)
Now that a real innovative product from Sparrow well done to the design team for coming up with that.
It’s very cool :-)
I bought one straight away, after Tipene posted the sparrows video.
I didn't think to check if LN had reviewed it, but wasn't surprised as Jwrm mentioned that Sparrows had a demo model at lockcon.
Great review, cant wait to get my hands on it now. I always need a beginners' kit to help me understand new lock types, and this is exactly what I need to get into safe locks.
Thanks for sharing this Ash !
Thanks for watching friend :-)
I watch everything you do ( except when you are with Mrs Noob, of course ) 😊
That thing is added to my list now. Clear review. Keep it up with those great videos that you do!
Thank you 😊
$129.00 US Cheap enough if you want something different to play with. People more than likely have spent more on lockpicking set's over time without much thought.
It's all in the fun and challenge of it and a interest. I'm only new to it all,something I never thought about until I came across it on CZcams.
I agree
Great review as always. This is such a nice compact learning tool for all levels
Thanks 🙏
This is coming in the mail soon! I’m excited to try it out!
Thank you for the excellent video. It was the perfect balance of explaining the rudiments of safe crackimg from the lock sport perspective, and product demonstration. I had already seen the Challenge Vault on the Sparrows website, was intrigued, but filed it under Later. This video pushed it up a lot closer to Now. I already have a rather significant number of items in my Sparrows shopping cart, because I get a lot of play time from my first three Sparrows orders. Order four will fill in some spaces to expand my abilitoes but probably won't result in as many hours of play. After that, I'm keen to get the Challenge Vault on Sparrows order number five!
Thank you 🙏
Gonna be ordering my 'Challenge Vault' soon. Thanks for the great review.
Awesome, have fun ! 👍😃
Haven't any reason to learn to pick safes but I will buy one because it looks like fun. Thanks for the review.
Thanks 🙏
That was very interesting and helpful. Awesome video.
Thank you 😊
Think you figured it out, but the re-locker only activates when the back of the lock is either remove or broken off in an attempt at forcing the lock to open by pushing the dial shaft thru . That half of the lock cover is designed to break off when forced and has no screws.
All true 👍
Sparrows wow! This fits in with all the the unique stuff they produce. Looking 4ward 2 seeing that delivery
👍
@@LockNoob BTW you did a great job on that video
Great review!! I think this is something that a lot of us have been curious about!!
Thanks :-)
It's well thought out no doubt & was nicely done Ash. Have a great one.
Thanks you too :-)
Great review and explanation. Thanks
Thanks 🙏
Your tutorial is really good.
I have a digital push button safe that users a similar mechanism as a backup to open the safe. Some safes use a key as backup but mine uses a triple disk tumbler mechanism like on this safe. The difference is you only have to turn it anti clockwise many many times and eventually all the disks line up and a hook drops into a slot on the disks and drops the pin on the solenoid allowing the bolts to retract.
thanks Roy :-)
What a great product, looks nice and a great educational product. Very well explained and great review. Saving up for one now lol.
Have a great day my friend👍😀✌️
You too friend :-)
Very cool, very interesting, thanks for sharing!
Thanks 🙏
I'm definitely interested since I first saw an inquiry about it in Lock Picking group. I realize you have a close relationship with Sparrows, Noob, but I always trust your reviews :) I've always found Sparrows exceptional in their tools and service. Thanks for another great introduction.
Thank you 😊
This is amazing. I always wanted to learn that skill!
It’s cool 😎
I think the vault and the revolver are some of the coolest practice tools. Do you still use the revolver much?
what a very cool bit of kit Ash my friend great review👍👊😊😎🇬🇧
Thanks Leon :-)
Wow ... That's awesome! Great review of what looks like a very fun way to spend a few hours :)
It’s great fun :-)
That is very interesting and cool. It is not something I expect to ever need but for many, this will be fascinating. It is a bit pricey but that can be justified IF that is a good quality lock with good tolerances. Something as good as and as difficult to open as a real lock in the proverbial field.
It seems very well made as far as I can ascertain :-)
@@LockNoob Is the lock body actually real steel? The looks of all the lock parts look okay to be used in real safe. Considering that similar S&G lock costs around $80 on ebay and this comes with additional parts + box + well designed materials the pricing seems sensible. I wish it were closer like $80 for this set, though.
That is pretty cool. I really like that look and style the have done with that. And it is very practical in design. Awesome review ash my friend 👍🤘🖖🍻
Thanks DALP :-)
Been awhile since I've been excited about a training lock
It’s cool 😎
After seeing this video I was intrigued. Thursday I went ahead and placed my order (I needed to order some more picks anyway). I am looking forward to adding a new skill.
Cool 😎
Super review!!!!
Will have to pull the trigger on this one🤣
Thank you for sharing this!!!
Very cool 😎
🐈👍👍🐈👏👏👏
Thanks 🙏
Lock Noob 😀 got one! Love it!!
👍🐈👍👍🐈👍
Thanx for the review. I also saw the sparrows video on there channel. What first got me interested in this are the several S&G 8088 Padlocks I have without a combination. On the 8088 Padlock, it's three wheels in the pack, and the 4th disk that allows the shackle to open. Because of the padlock design, graphing won't work from the shackle, but I have seen a video (in Spanish and I don't speak Spanish) of a shim method to read the wheels from the closed change key port. Watching this, I think I might be able to graph the Padlock if I can get the shim in. Great Video. I will send it to the Kids as a Christmas gift idea.
Nice gift!!
Excellent review of a pretty unique product. A little pricey for me but I’m intrigued.
Thanks 🙏
Thanks for posting this. Already an area of interest for me , as I bought three S&G Dial mechanisms a while ago. I'd better get cracking , then. Lol.
You’d better lol 😂
Thanks for the great review 😎
Thank you 😊
I'll LET YOU IN ON A SECRET and it's well worth noting. In playing around with my sparrows challenge vault, I FOUND A BACK DOOR COMBINATION. There are two combination to open the lock or any lock I would assume. And the way you get the combination is to reverse Direction starting out clockwise instead of anti-clockwise. Start by adding 2 to the clockwise numbers and subtract 2 from the anti-clockwise numbers, and increase these numbers by 2 every time it fails to open the lock. That will get you in the ballpark, but it's unpredictable. Mine looks like: Clockwise +4, anti-clockwise -4, clockwise +3. But that won't get you in yet. You need to go anti-clockwise until you hear a loud thunk, because the lock is being worked in reverse and the nose is dropping hard. It's harmless to the lock. But when you hear this noise you need to stop and reverse Direction going clockwise until you pull the bolt back. To make this work you've got to play with the positive and negative numbers until you get a working combination. It also helps a great deal to take the lock apart and watch the wheels in motion as you work, you might find it much faster this way. And one last point, if you operate the lock in the reverse direction the gates are a lot louder when the lock is operated in the reverse direction, because the gates are a lot sharper, so they're easier to find and plot on the graph provided by Sparrows challenge lock. Catch you later.
:D if you learn about actual safes with mechanical combination locks, you'll find out that they also *always* have secondary combination that is entered with reversed moves and the numbers a slightly different.
This is a great puzzle, as well as a locksport toy. Lots of fancy puzzles near this price point.
It’s cool 😎
Nice review and quite interesting product.
Thanks 🙏
Thank you for video! Can you explain why we need the re-locker?
A picker doesn’t, it’s a security measure to lock the safe if the back plate is manipulated
Great review! What is the pick you are holding in the video?
Am I the only one who kept hearing ‘once, twice, three times a lady’ as the wheel was being turned?
Anyway, nice idea from Sparrows. Don’t see many of these where I am but a cool skill to have for those just in case moments.
Lol
All I need now are 3 mini cars let’s do the bank job , great video
Thank you 😊
Haven't been able to download the instructions you mentioned, can't find them anywhere
I think you get a link when you buy the safe 👍
Very, very cool product, looks very interesting
It’s cool 😎
Just ordered mine, looking forward to trying something completely different
👍
Awesome video really cool!!
Thanks 🙏
Probably a good thing that wasn't there when I ordered my crimbo pressies from Sparrows a few weeks ago.
Will this teach how to do the small combination locks? Or is there something else I should be looking for? (I barely discovered locksport yesterday from a Facebook ad for this safe cracking item.)
This looks fantastic, just wish it was more affordable. Going to have to wait a bit to pick this up. This is something that’s always fascinated me.
It’s good value if not cheap:-)
Another very interesting review! I'm new to lock sport, I only started just before summer, but find your videos helpful. Although my skills are not improving, frustratingly!
It happens slowly over time. You are most likely improving without even noticing. Keep at it!
@@targuscinco I'm trying my best to be patient and get the feel. I'm great on these tutorial plastic practice locks with eyes shut! Lol.. but I understand REAL locks are a different level. I've got a few union assa abloy and yale. No further forward. Hear clicking but don't get that magical moment when the core turns. Maybe I need to go back to basics again. I dunno. I'd like to learn to start pinning so I can gradually get the feeling of different security pins. Thanks for your reply. At this stage every little helps!
It does take sometime, you’ll get there!
@@LockNoob Hopefully! But with little success at the moment!
@@PeterMurphyceltic , sounds like you did actually practice with the transparent locks...that might have been your mistake.
One shouldn't spend more than an hour or two on those, just to understand the mechanism: not, practice!
As soon as you understand how the locking mechanism works, jump on real locks, and abandon the plastic ones completely.
Then you'll improve, with practice, at a "normal" rate.
Very very cool toy there, Sparrows knows what lock pickers like ;o))
Thanks for showing, great review again my friend ;o))
Thank you Tallan Pick :-)
I wish doctor practice with that myself can't afford one it looks amazing😮
Nice Vid and well explained apart from the slight misunderstanding of the relocker lever purpose already explained by a previous comment - to prevent forced entry.
However, it is incorrect to presume that you can start searching for your first number on the third wheel (closest to the camera in your video). In the real world, any of the wheels can show up first as this is dependant on other wheels 'masking' your readings because of various inconsistencies during the manufacture of the wheels and the lever. Still a nice video giving a hint at the world of manipulation of combo safe locks.
Gotta have it
You do lol
Thanks for the comprehensive review! Very cool. The mechanism seemed a bit rough when turning the dial. Do you think it will smooth out with use?
Merlin I wouldn’t say it’s rough, maybe a little tight but it is very new :-)
@@LockNoob thanks!
It's definitely tight. So much so that the dial stutters when you turn it slowly.
***IMPORTANT UPDATE***
I changed the combination, and things smoothed out after that. Sparrows packs The Vault VERY well. When you get it, you open a box. Inside, there's some padding material which is packed around another box. You open this second box, and there is a dense foam (several pieces) which are form fit around The Vault itself. When I received mine, the outermost box had several holes and a couple dents where it had obviously been treated VERY roughly by the postal system. The inner box was undamaged. My thoughts are, despite how well Sparrows packs The Vault, the obvious mishandling it endured in transit may have caused something to become misaligned. I contacted Sparrows when I first received and started playing with mine, and they responded quickly, but I had already tried changing the combination and found that seems to have resolved the problem.
Very cool new toy
It sure is 😎
Would the relocker really do anything while the plate is on? Feels more like an anti tamper mechanism
Awesome! I need one ^^
You do lol
Super video are u an engineer, your knowledge is amazing and very informative. Don’t forget take pin out of hinge lol
Lol
Nice overview of the set! Thanks for showing it and how the mechanism works. I just received mine today and haven't had a chance to play with it.
I'm curious how this compares to the vault I maintain. The fence drops in through gravity and a separate lever is used for the bolts, so there's no cam.
Happy cracking! :-)
Thanks! It's actually pretty fun. There are some minor build issues with mine (loose screws and metal shavings on change key and levers) but easy enough to fix.
That hooky pick you're using as a pointer/indicator has a really nice looking handle. Where did that awesome looking pick come from and why haven't you introduced her to us yet??
Very interesting ! Hope retailers get it soon, Xmas is close !
Thanks 🙏
Dang. That is cool for sure.
👍
How safe locks work is fascinating however for me personally I think the process involved to crack it would be more of a chore than the enjoyment I get from picking locks.
Looks like a great product for those who want to learn this skill though.
I think it is too :-)
Thanks for this video! So cool to see this unit in action. It’s a shame that the body of the safe is plastic, though. It would have been nicer if it was made of metal.
That might make postage an issue... :-)
Man that dial doesn’t look like it’s a smooth rider 🤷🏼😂😳. I was just thinking getting one. But I think I’ll look for a second hand one(only because I’m a poor picker😂).Cool content. Has me wanting one. Even though it looks a bit stiff. Did ya continue to play around with it? Was it simple to learn? Is it worth it I reckon is what I’m asking. Not that I’d ever come across one in wild. But was it hours of entertainment and learning? Hope this isn’t to many questions. And Ofcource answer anything ya can without upsetting Sparrows😂🤷🏼.
I've always been fascinated with combination safe locks, but never managed to get my hands on one! On my Christmas list now!!!!!!
Good present :-)
I purchased the Sparrow Vault and it appears to be of high quality. The problem I have is the manual is riddled with typographical errors and Sparrow gives you the answer to the vault on the last page of the manual so there's no need to open the package with the safe numbers.
Well the numbers are one thing, but I don’t think it matters if you know the numbers so much
Very kewl I hope Santa has one for me 😂🤣😂
Lol
OMG I just got a vision while watching this video I stopped at 4 minutes into the video to post this but the vision I got is how a safe lever combination wheels of some sorts work and how to improve it so it can't be cracked with a listening device. This is where I make my millions of dollars cash in life now!
Look up the workings of Manifoil safes :-)
Interesting. I have a S&G 6730 and learned how to crack it a couple of years back... debating if this will be much different though.
Short answer. No. The only advantage to this kit is the short and stepped arms on the swap out levers to make learning easier.
I would say that this safe lock basically is an S&G 6730, although the levers are custom.
This will be easier :-)
I just made an order from sparrows a few days ago. I always search for new thing but I didn't see this. Is it available now?....... Nevermind. It turns out the link you provided takes me right to it. Open my eyes and shut my mouth. Got it!
lol
Looks like a very cool practice tool! Is there actually any room inside safe to actually use it as a safe? 🤔
As far as I can see, not really. But also keep in mind that the hinge is exposed and the pin is removable. They mentioned that on their website. I personally wouldn’t keep more than the tools in here, but that’s up to you
where did you get the pick from? Theres not a link in the description
Cool puzzle safe from them, but I do agree on the price. A little high. Great review!
Thanks! :-)
from my understanding its slightly different from the standard 5 quid rotary padlock?
A little lol
I’m having difficulties manipulating the second wheel on my Sparrows safe. I know the principle of what I need to do, but I always get confused when I need to turn passed the third wheel combo to feel my contact points. I’ve looked at a lot of resources (including the National Locksmith Guide to Manipulation), but it isn’t clear about that specific problem. Do
you have any tips?
I think the Sparrows instructions cover this
Thanks for replying! They do, but it took awhile to understand the instructions because they worded it in such a weird way.
@@mattt4080 Try the CZcams series by "Lock Manipulator". He includes a review of the Challenge lock, and critiques the instructions too :-)
czcams.com/channels/gsNWtGhWOlabLIBzBzbD8A.html
They are sent out with different combinations.
Cool 😎
I’m seeing that the initial combinations are very close. The 4 I have seen are all within 3 digits on each of the three numbers.
That sounds like tollerances :-)
That is interesting
It really is 👍
neat!
Thanks 🙏