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AFD seen as whole is actually not "far right". And most criticism is not "hate". I'm very much on the left myself, and I think it's important that especially our side does not mislabel anything. It only breeds confusion, negativity and aggression - because no one likes to be misunderstood. For example, how would anyone on the left feel about being called a "communistst" all the time, no matter what we talked about? Hainbach - your intentions are clearly good, but please don't use the wrong words, terms and labels. Because so many other artists and creative people do, and it's so destructive for important societal debates.
@@PerChristianFrankplads From Wikipedia: „It (AfD)is positioned on the radical right, or far right, of the political spectrum within the family of European political parties.“ I am correct in putting it as I put it.
@@Hainbach: Did you really delete my reply to your comment with the Wikipedia quote? If so, that's very disappointing. As I said, I'm very much on the left myself, and it's this kind of censorship and dislike of rational discussions that plagues our political side today. I really thought you would be better than this, but if you deleted my previous comment (and especially this one as well), I guess that says something significant.
Its strange for me as a person from the other side of the world, to hear Germans speak negatively about avant-garde music, saying it has nothing to do with the national heritage etc when, again from the other side of the world, Germany is totally identified with avant-garde and experimental music and art. To us, this music and art is EXTREMELY German.
@@thelo-fidelityarchive597 Post-War German music was also largely made by people who didn't support the Nazis and were now trying to find a new way forward. The AFD represent the kind of people who thought the Nazis were right and Germany needed to go back to that. Fascists tend to be pretty shit artists.
@@drpibisback7680 But it was also the music of the late 19th and early 20th century. That's mainly due to how music was publically funded and also how the academic study of music was established. All the German speaking microstates started to establish research Universities after Prussia had done so in Berlin and Bonn and started to compete by adding new departments. As a result you got the first departments of music and then to keep up more of them started to pop up. But you are right in that the Nazis opposed these styles of music as well, anything that came after the late Romantic period, really (and that's the same for other types of art as well).
Indeed, even sticking to the late 20th century German avant-garde was extremely influential on an enormous amount of new music styles. If you listen to interviews or documentaries about virtually any band from the UK from the 70s or 80s doing something new, there’s almost inevitably a moment where they say the moment their understanding of music change was something like “I heard Kraftwerk for the first time on the radio, and that took me to Can/Faust/Stockhausen/etc.”
"I know that art should be seperate from the state, but if we, the state, are funding it then we have a right to decide what they do." -the political party that definetly wants to decide who gets to do what
They’re not even trying to hide the “degenerate art” rhetoric, are they? Very frightening and sad to see this happening. I’m in admiration of the tenacity and bravery of you and all involved in this wonderful festival.
I was going to say that the actions of the AfD bear a horrible resemblance to the Entartete Kunst ("degenerate art") activities of the 1930s. The irony is that this period virtually wiped out all native German culture up to that point, and a "new" German culture had to be constructed from the ashes of WW2. This rebuild led directly to the avant-garde and electronic music of Can, Neu, Tangerine Dream etc. that we, outside of Germany, so admire to this day! Art and music need to be presented and tested before the public without fear, and if it becomes "niche" - well, so be it. After all, the critics rushed to criticize Mozart, Bach, Beethoven etc. as they were creating their greatest works. Meanwhile, the "destructive tape loops" idea is a brilliant way to counter their sour rhetoric. Well done, Mr Hainbach, I salute you. Music transcends all this BS.
For real,when I was hearing the story I thought it was going to be the typical far right rhetoric with dog whistles to hide their real,hateful message. But it surprised how BLATANT some of these people were
@@MirlitronOne "the actions of the AfD bear a horrible resemblance to the Entartete Kunst ("degenerate art") activities of the 1930s" That is not an accident, in fact, that's the intention. These people are just trying to recreate a horrible regime that killed many.
the "guys we're nazis, like literally we're saying it to your face" coupled with the 'wow it seems like these guys are doing some things that have troubling echoes from a certain past regime, seriously do better guys this is pretty yikes' response pattern is getting pretty grating tbh
"the most unpolitical art form, music" even Goebbels acknowledged in his fight with Furtwängler that there is no such thing as unpolitical music. Thank you for fighting back Hainbach.
With all confidence: Music has no purpose whatsoever beyond _being good to listen to._ Political writers can only parasitize upon music and the arts by denying the the sublime; through attempting to subordinate any and all potential of the art form into the service of an ideological goal or statement. Truly a reductive and fateful mistake, imho. _Life and music can be much more beautiful than that._
The part where you are agreeing with Goebbels should cause pause, not affirmation. He was a propagandist. Propagandists politicize everything. When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
@@shaft9000 Let me take your claim that music must be good to listen to at face value (music can be abrasive sometimes or downright painful, but it's still music). Even then, if we define music as something that is good to listen to, and people think that political music is good to listen to, then what's the problem? You don't have to enjoy it to accept that it is music We must also recognize that attempts by the right (or anyone really, but it's usually the right) to make art apolitical is itself a political decision. Art or music that is sympathetic to their cause is not considered political and therefore allowed, while opposing politics is not allowed
@@shaft9000 Sorry, I couldn't hear you over me listening to the DEATH track from Cruelty Squad's OST. No, seriously though, as a hobby musician I can tell you with all confidence: Music has no purpose but to be art. It is, by nature, political, as it is influenced and shaped by your ideas, worldview and ethics. You don't have to make it explicitly political, obviously, but just like any form of art, it is mere communication from an artist to a consumer via a medium. And they can chose whatever it is they want to communicate and in whatever shape and form. And if you don't like it, that's fine. But music is most definitely NOT made to "be good to listen to".
Music is art. Art is language. Language expresses ideas. Ideas cause introspection. Introspection is the enemy of fascism. Look at how the Nazi Party treated art in the 30s, they had museums to portray how "degenerate" the art of Jewish, Romani, African, and other cultures were. We teach and learn history to recognize patterns. And when patterns are recognized, we act. Great video! Much love
@@heartache5742 Yes, art is language. Art communicates ideas, emotions, concepts, humor, terror, anger, hope and more. Art communicates the thoughts of the artist, and generates new thoughts in those who experience it. This is language. Communication is the only utility of language, language is anything that communicates information from one mind to another or many. Of course art is language. It can be nothing else.
@@Kazemahou but the author is dead and the ideas are scrambled beyond any possibility of recognition and that language is communicative/representational is a common misconception animals communicate perfectly fine without language the world runs on non-linguistic communication between various bodies
Not much moves me these days. I'm 78 years old. Spent time "defending" Germany in the 60's. learned the language and almost stayed ...but returned to the US and went back to school. Point being, at the time it never occurred to me that the right would rise again, either there or here in the US. Thank you Hainbach for doing your part to stand and let your voice heard! When you mentioned the woman and her daughter connected with your work, it brought me to tears.
Well, why _is_ the US Army is still occupying Germany after 75 years? And how do we have 'a left' without also having more or less of 'the other side' to compare it to? This is far more nuanced than merely wanting to be 'on the right side of history' - which is an odd goal if one is decidedly "left". That simplistic attitude is just what kicks the can down the road to future generations. _.....thanks, boomers!_
@@domdraper3221 not sure you realise why "defending" is in quotes like that in @walterinpv comment. Maybe give it another think, or you've got another THING coming.
Having been subjected to so much pointless, artless, contextless, German speeches over one pulsing oscillator power electronics over the years, its so refreshing hearing hate speech in the german language turned on its head in this way. Hainbach, youre a national treasure.
The fascists haven't progressed from the Entartete Kunst exhibition of the 1930's. And it really annoys me the way fascists have hi-jacked Folk music for their own ends.
It’s not Folk Music it’s Neofolk Music, a specific genre devised by fascists to spread their aesthetics of violence. Death in June, Boyd Rice, other satanists and psychopaths infest that scene. Down with them!
Of course they haven't progressed. Fascism and conservative ideologies in general are diametrically opposed to progress. "Reject modernity, embrace tradition" is a guiding principle for reactionaries. Their ideal society is one in which they never have to experience anything new or be challenged intellectually. That's why despite the far right being ever present they've never been at the forefront of any artistic movement.
@@TayTayMakesBeats that's not strictly true - look up the Italian poet Marinetti who founded the Futurist movement, which is a vital part of the story of the avant garde, but also he an early proponent of fascism, a huge supporter of Mussolini and I think even wrote the fascist manifesto. Plenty of other early modernists with similar leanings - D'Annunzio, Wyndham Lewis, Ezra Pound...
I guess that if a political party wants the new music to disappear it is the best proof of how powerful and "dangerous" that music can be. I feel that their effort to silence the festival only makes the artists work harder. I agree, destruction loops is probably the most powerful musical performance I've ever experienced. Thank you.
Man, IDK. I'm ignorant about German politics, but it looked to me that the problem to them is the festival being funded with public money. Their manifests are kinda hateful, yes, but are them against the music or the public money being put on it?
@@PastelComGini Every single country in the world has a public arts fund of some kind, their problem isn't with public money being used for the arts, but with that money going to art which challenges their reactionary worldview, anti-fascist art is an overwhelmingly positive force.
It's a sad form of irony given how instrumental Germanic composers were in the development of early synthesizers and electronic music. To minimalize their musical history to forms of folk, as great as that genre of music may be in its own right, is a disservice to their own country's advancements Quite an awesome piece you made in response, I'm glad that in the end you were able to share at least one nice, human moment through it. Very strong statement behind it and I'm glad that someone said it. It's sad to see large groups hold such strong, visceral, and influential opinions over an increasing amount of seemingly non-disruptive "issues" (as if a musical festival could even be labeled as such)
It's eye-opening when the far-right movement in Germany mentions the former US president. Good to see you stood your ground and did something productive with such hateful comments.
Democrats in the USA are insane. They are the party founded on Slavery. They are the party of Racism, Segregation, anti Woman Voting, Redlining (keeping minorities is garbage communities), etc... There is more, but CZcams always censors the facts. The left is evil. They suppress freedom of speech. They are history revisionists. They cancel anyone they disagree with.
"There is some sort of perverse pleasure in knowing that it's basically impossible to send a piece of hate mail through the Internet without its being touched by a gay program. That's kind of funny." Eric Allman, openly gay programmer who developed sendmail
@@ChaosSwissroIl claiming that 'use of a piece of software written by a white person = bad' is a leftist value is constructing a straw man larger than the eiffel tower lmao
@@ChaosSwissroIl Bruh I am 'a leftist' (tho i imagine this term has a different meaning between us) and do not advocate this nor have i ever heard a claim like that from any of my peers. Of course i agree that this specific quip is absurd. Claiming that this is a mainstream leftist view though is just silly. There are real issues around cultural appropriation and avoiding anything created by white people does not solve them and is not part of any political agenda i've seen, but feel free to prove me wrong
There are so many things I want to say, but foremost is admiration. Not only did you defy narrow minded bigots and their petty hatred, but you repurposed that hate into the instrument of defiance. Bravo!
Calling any artform non-political smacks of complete ignorance. Art is inherently political because (among loads of other reasons) many political ideologies are anti-art. Self-expression is a challenge to fascism because fascists believe self-expression is a defect to be stamped out.
@@drpibisback7680 There have been studies on this to examine it more closely. Researchers identified five "moral foundations" people have... and the results varied quite a bit with political affiliation. Specifically, the studies found that people on the left place very high value on: A. Fairness (integrity, justice, proportionality) B. Caring (empathy, doing no harm) People on the right also value these things, but to a lesser extent. Instead, people on the right (especially far right) placed a higher priority on: C. Ingroup loyalty D. Obedience to authority E. Purity (order, cleanliness, disgust toward differences and disorder) The researchers considered these last three to be good things, and concluded or at least hinted that people on the right are more ethical because they have more values. However, traits C+D+E add up to a strongly conformist value system which considers uniqueness and self-expression to be defects. It's basically the core of what enables fascism. If you're interested in more detail, look up Moral Foundations Theory. It's a fascinating look at humanity.
@ The Pack Rat Basically, while moving from left to right on the political spectrum, the studies found that the weight of A and B decreased and C, D, and E increased. There was a point in-between where the lines crossed, but that doesn't mean it's an optimal balance. Being half-caring and half-fascist is better than being entirely fascist, but it's still not great. FWIW, the intersection point was near the right edge of the graph. The vast majority of the population scores higher on A and B than on the other traits... and basically only criminals, psychopaths, and right-wing authoritarians scored higher on C, D, and E.
As for self-expression vs fascism, there were other studies which looked at right-wing authoritarianism and found some curious results... Like, after establishing a given trait as bad or undesirable, a study asked people how much of that trait a person should ideally have -- less than average, an average amount, or more than average. Almost everyone answered "less than average", of course... but people with right-wing authoritarian traits answered "an average amount". Like, they didn't care if it was bad... they just cared if it was common. They recognized that they had that trait, and wanted to believe everyone else did too. They needed to believe they were normal. This is probably a big part of why the far right spends so much effort saying everyone else is "equally bad". And why the previous president cared so much about crowd sizes. And why, when no one agrees with them, they call themselves "the silent majority". And why that one lady calls herself "One Million Moms" even though it's just one person and a few twitter followers. They call people "sheep", but yet are very deeply uncomfortable with being different, and are obsessed with being part of a flock. Meanwhile, the rest of the population views uniqueness and self-expression as good things. In any case, one key finding from the study was that, when dealing with an extremist of that sort, it's pointless to argue that what they're doing is wrong. They probably are well aware of that, and just don't care. Instead, it's more effective to show them that they're alone, that what they're doing is weird or aberrant. So Hainbach's destruction tapes, and the widespread positive response to it, are a great answer. It may seem a bit like public ridicule, but it speaks their language. It hits on a level much deeper than any rational or empirical argument ever could.
@ The Pack Rat Left-wing authoritarians are too rare to really measure. However, the moral foundations researchers later added a sixth trait called "liberty", because Libertarians were upset about being lumped in with other conservatives. So there are a couple more categories on the spectrum... there are conservatives who value liberty above everything else, and they're usually called Libertarians. They tend to vote the same as other conservatives, but for different reasons. There are also progressives who value liberty above everything else, and they're usually called anarchists. They tend to vote differently, and often support right-wing policies for much the same reasons as Libertarians do.
This destruction loop is a great message in favour of the freedom of expression. Political parties openly opposing art that is critical of them is fundamentally undemocratic.
@@CampVictoria Well, seeing as usually the right-wing bands are actively being homophobic/xenophobic, then yes they should be defunded. Because hate isn't an opinion. And don't pretend it is.
@@CampVictoria This is a 'what aboutist' argument and it seems you're comparing apples with oranges. I don't know which events you're refering to but pushing to defund a festival because they are critical of your political party is something very different than defunding events that promote things like homophobia/xenophobia etc as Amara points out. A political party should be open to criticism no matter where it finds itself on the political spectrum.
It's funny that these are almost always the types to cry about cancel culture (usually when people call them out for being prejudiced) when they're more than willing to shut down harmless artistic expression because it doesn't align with their views.
Destruction-looping far right hate comments might be one of the most beautiful ideas to deal with this whole situation from an artist's perspective. I love how you use your voice as an artist to speak against the far right movement, really important in times like this. That last anecdote was really heartwarming and gives hope in this dark times.
I'd like to see a visual interactive one with printouts you can place into a shredder, perhaps pulling a lever drops one on a conveyor belt leading them to the mouth of the machine. Then use the bits to make papier maché or something useful like that.
@@mixiekins it opens up so many possibilities for so many uses in so many other ways (such as shredding, like you suggested) - I can see this as an excellent tool for mental health therapy, for example
"This tape machine kills facists" Thank you for this piece 🖤 Especially love the fact that it was really intended to engage with the people of Halle. That's how antifacism works, it's a long and sometimes tiring work of engaging with people locally, trying to counter and slowly erode the facists and far-right hate that keep getting spewed on a loop by the media and political parties. All the while strengthening mutual aid networks, sharing knowledge, art and ideas, cultivating each other's openeness to new experiences and our ability to build solidarity beyond borders. ✊ Well now it motivates me even more to go work on my "leftist readings on cassette tape" ambient project ! Thank you for the inspiration ! 🏴
@@mister2628 My own people are the workers of the world and it is for this very reason that I'm an internationalist. Your borders and national "pride" are the smokes and mirrors designed to keep the working class in a state of servitude by pitting us against each other, while we should unite to fight the capitalist exploitation all over the world and stand in solidarity with each other. You're just doing the bidding of the capitalist class (the actual 1%), and if you're hoping to gain some benefits from the exploitation and suffering of other working class people, well you won't gain anything in the long run unless you're a capitalist yourself. So please stop licking the boot that will ultimately crush you and join the struggle for liberation of all people. Otherwise you can take your thinly veiled xenophobic and antisemitic take elsewhere thank you.
It's weird because artistic expression is always tied to politics just by existing. Not to mention Neo folk notoriously has a high percentage of artists who use fascist and nationalistic sentiment and themes in their music, so also quite political.
Your thoughtfulness, kindness, courage, and intellect in your art are very much appreciated. Thank you for making and sharing it so well! You’re my new favorite.
Thank you for using your voice to bring peace. As someone within multiple communities that the far right would like to get rid of, it's comforting when fellow composers use their work and platform to speak out against the hate.
Hi Hainbach. Just wanted to say how much I appreciated this. In my own country of the UK there are worrying signs that the ruling right wing Conservative government are trying to engineer ‘culture wars’ around the making of art, funding of the national broadcaster the BBC, and so on, using all the spurious ‘populist’ arguments about how there is a need for a proper, ‘patriotic’ national art. It is almost as if these people have no conception of where attacks on ‘Entartete Kunst’ might lead… (except, of course, they do…) You have taken a brave stance and are fulfilling the true obligation of the very best art, to speak truth to power, with this latest iteration of your inspired, transformative ‘hate loops’. More power to you. :;
I am so glad I clicked on this. The concept is brilliant! I am a bit in awe of the power I see in it. I am in America and constantly struggling to think of ways to fight against the rise of authoritarianism. Your efforts are inspiring.
Wow, this is really powerful. Those recordings from the AfD honestly sound like they're from the 1930's... The funny thing is that so far my music has never been political, but the far right trying to cancel an experimental music festival makes me want to do something with that.
A neighboring state was awarding musicians for their composition. My college professor was asked to be a judge. As he spent time with the organizers, he started asking questions about their program. In the 80s, their state had a 5 million dollar taxpayer funder budget for music. Each year, they handed out $50,000 in grants and awards to musicians. $50,000 of the $5,000,000 budget was given to musicians. Where did the other 99% go? After that point, he became an advocate against the NEA and various state sponsored music programs. It is interesting to hear that in your story, once the state no longer sponsored the festival - private industry took its place to keep the festival going. ...and the love of the community to support the festival directly shows its true worth. That is very likely the way it should be.
@@BluePlanetMedia As someone from the US it also worries me as well. There is a similar pall over the U.S. with people mistakenly thinking that you’ve got to choose undemocratic/fascist thinking because the power structure is pushing that narrative. We live in times of great despair and it’s a problem all of us are dealing with- so I don’t understand what you mean.
@@BluePlanetMedia I didn’t say that the US was causing issues there or that they were causing issues in the US. The underlying problem is alienation, disenfranchisement and lack of opportunity are causing politicians to push a populist/nationalist agenda to those people who will accept an easy boogeyman. Whether it’s “ethnic replacement,” “mass migration,” “critical race theory” or “government sponsored festivals that aren’t nationalist enough,” most of these topics, and the conversation surrounding them are very similar between Europe and the US. It is myopic to think that right-wing movements don’t have a similar core or goal. The right wing constantly sees the same issues as the rest of us but evaluates the problem to cherry pick data and back up their existing ideology instead of possibly questioning what they believe- and the far-right has some of the most bone-headed takes I’ve ever heard. If I’m not seeing something clearly here, please inform me- I’m actually willing to question my beliefs. I only really care about improving the material conditions for all, maintaining our rights, stop arguing about bullshit and just actually do something.
"Whoever forces political messages into music shows that he understands nothing of art". Beautifully stated by somebody who clearly doesn't understand anything about art or politics.
I would tend to agree, though. Setting out to make a message and then tethering the musical form to it like tentpoles is the method of propaganda. But, you could certainly have statements with serious political implications well up within you and manifest through song. Perhaps it isn't always column A/column B, though?
@@Mahaveez I'd say propaganda is the opposite, using a popular medium and attach politics to it: the "forcing political messages into music" part. What that guy doesn't understand is that art has (more often than not) political value, with no need to "force" a message.
agree with all thats said, but I do feel that music is better enjoyed aesthetically & emotionally instead of ideologically & intellectually. both left and right leaning people tend to contribute massively to the current division instead of bringing people together.
Since I'm not a German citizen I won't comment on your politics but something you said piqued my curiosity. You said that private interests stepped in and funded the festival. Shouldn't that be how these things are funded in the first place? That way, taxpayer money isn't spent on things they might not agree with.
Hainbach you bloody genius! Good for you! I've always loved your concept behind the Destruction Loops. I'm glad to see that you've taken it to the next plateau, and given it significant meaning that speaks to the world that we live in. What makes it even better is that you have perked curiosity in a younger generation. Much love from Canada.
What an absolutely haunting project. It is absurd to me that the reaction to avant-garde works has been roughly unchanged for, what, 200 years? Every time a different voice emerges there is always a reaction of 'this is no longer art'. Now, I understand that not everyone likes the same things, there are people who like old art and there are people who like new art, but time and time again progressive and avant-garde artists have been painted as the death of art. Then there's also the aspect of protest in art. This political party is presenting this festival as if all art before has been compliant with the status quo. Protest against and critique of a (let's say) ruling class in music has been going on for centuries. I understand your apprehension to go to this festival, given that these people are quite vocal about their disgust for music they deem un-musical, but it must feel great to have been able to show a work like this in an environment like that. Keep up the great work. You're truly an inspiration.
Such a great point. An example being many from that political spectrum pointing to specific classical music, which at the contemporary time could have been composed by a deeply critical composer (Chopin, Beethoven in his later years, etc) and was scrutinized at the time
People on the far right always claim they want free speech while doing everything in their power to silence the ones they don't deem worthy. I'm so glad the festival happened and that you chose to speak about it on your channel. I imagine it might attract some quite nasty comments - but, this is worth talking about and pushing back against for sure!
the far right isn't representative of "people on the right" in the same way that i hope you're not representative of the soviets or modern day chinese communists.
@@toiletfriend420 they didn't mention "people on the right", they mentioned "the far right" I think you should consider why you jumped to that conclusion.
Some years ago in Finland, local 'right-ish wing' party proposed ending the public funding of, literally, 'postmodern fake art'. You know, these tax payer funded forms of art that draws audience mainly consisting of artist's parents. Anyway, the proposal was pretty strictly defined. As an end result, everybody, including the most mainstream pop artists were deeply worried that their basic human rights were now endangered. Literally, to produce publicly funded 'postmodern fake art'. I really loved that tongue-in-cheek crafted proposal and the obvious knee jerk shitstorm that ensued. Since then the party has degenerated into this populist Ukraine warmongering that seems to be the norm these days.
This is a sad but fantastic video. Content and communities like this can become the sand paper to some of the hate loops of the ignorant people in the world. Well done
Hey man, that's an important project. Thanks for taking a stance on the fascist destruction of modern European culture and lifestyle. I give you double thumbs up as well. Cheers from embattled Poland.
This isn't about the art or "Germanness". Typical of fascists, it's just an excuse to make people they hate comply and bend to their power. It's the only thing that gives pleasure to their miserable lives.
Thanks for making this video, Hainbach. I'm not German and don't directly have a stake in this issue, but it's always bolstering for one's sense of humanity to see influential people using their reach to promote goodness in the world. Edit - I just realized this is 2 years old. Oh, well. Still a wonderful project.
Honestly, hearing that story of the defunding of a music festival, because the far right didn't approve the music and messages, makes me sad, scared and ashamed of being a part of this country. Still, it's really important that you shared this story and the beautiful ending let me hope. It's really awesome that you made this performance and it's really important that those performances continue. Thank you!
Congratulations on delivering such a great response to the AfD's attacks. This is an incredibly powerful artwork. Claiming art is apolitical just shows immense ignorance - art does not exist in a vacuum, it exists in a social context - challenging and questioning that context has been a core part of art since postmodernism, at the very least. Resisting criticism of one's own ideology and blindly following reactionary rhetoric can lead to a very dangerous path.
@@aaronjsolomon That user is basically going into every post that mentions right-wing politics and saying "but it's the left who are the bad guys!". It's rather comical.
I am paralyzed by such events for different reasons. In a bad way by backstory that led you to create this, but then there is the good way: your creation. My admiration for how you handled this.
I support the right to free speech irregardless of its content, it's both laughable and cowardly that the AfD can't face criticism for their views when they are constantly crying about their own views being misrepresented and silenced.
as you know i was there for every minuet of this live and recorded it in case youtube took it down im so glad you have found this way to help show off this tragedy I'm sure i can say a lot of people are grateful for what community's can do when they put there minds to it
"Butcher music on the altar of politics" is awfully grand coming from the guys publicly campaigning to shut down a festival. What is it with facists & claiming to love their culture, yet actively trying to suppress artist expression?
Man, this is so good. Like, good in an ethical and cathartic way. My own country (Brazil) elected a president that leans very closely to the far-right, and he defunded a lot of art programs, especially those deemed "leftist". The Minister of Culture, an actor chosen by the president, supported all of this. It's heartbreaking. I'm currently in Europe, and it's very hard to see the catatonic state of the country from afar. People are still fighting back, but unless they can elect better politicians next year, it's a losing battle, at least in its current form.
On the street there's more people than we think willing to fight fascism. Constitutional representation is what makes them seem more in numbers and power. Keep up the good fight and don't give them an inch of public space. ✊
I wish more humans where as rational, empathic, thoughtfull, effective - and just overall lowkey and lovely, in their artistic endeavours. This is 'hero stuff'. Thank you, from Denmark ❤
I experienced so many different emotions watching this… powerful stuff! Hianbach’s video always inspire me to try different techniques. I know many of them have been done before but his attitude and approach always makes me want to give it a try… destruction loops are next on my list.
Yet again, the supposed opponents of 'cancel culture' set about literally trying to cancel culture itself. Well done for tackling this in the way you have Hainbach 🙌🏼 what you've done is brilliant. Much love from Scotland 🏴🇩🇪
What I think is a real shame is that it has become a bad thing to have pride in your country. I am an American, and I am proud to be American. I know that very bad things have happen in our history, but we have done many good things as well. We have tried to overcome the sins of our past. Germany has a lot to be proud of as well, and you also have taken steps to overcome your past. There will always be hateful people in every group until the end of time, but we should not let those hateful ones control the narrative. It's alright to love your country, and to proclaim so should not earn you the moniker of hater.
unfortunately americas past is also americas present. the grand daughters and sons of slave owners benefit from their ancestors past. and those who arent white experience systematically attacks and oppression based on their identities.
I am an American currently living in Germany. Thank you for this video. I find the rise of nationalism disturbing and disappointing. I see it happening in my home country, and I see it here in Europe as well. Standing up to it is very important.
@Hainbach , I hope you... as well as all the other Europeans reading this... appreciate that your governments fund these types of festivals in the first place. As a US resident, the idea of our government sponsoring avantgarde/progressive/etc music festivals just seems so unrealistic. I don't mean to suggest that this video isn't anything short of great. it is! I loved watching it, and completely support the message within it. I guess I'm just trying to say.... things can become FAR worse, and that transition to a far worse place can happen right under your noses without many people even noticing. Its important that you fight back, even against the things that might not affect you directly, as well as against the things that might not even seem super important at the time. In the US, we'd LOVE to have the relationship with our government that the German people have with their government. Don't take it for granted. Appreciate it, fight for it, defend it, support it. Do what you can to ensure democracy and freedom outlive the toxic forces that are trying to destroy us. Much love, Hainbach. thanks!
Bless you for doing this. My ancestry goes back to Ukraine, Poland and Hungary: Eastern European Jews. Thank you for standing up and using the weapon of your art against these horrible people.
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AFD seen as whole is actually not "far right". And most criticism is not "hate".
I'm very much on the left myself, and I think it's important that especially our side does not mislabel anything. It only breeds confusion, negativity and aggression - because no one likes to be misunderstood. For example, how would anyone on the left feel about being called a "communistst" all the time, no matter what we talked about?
Hainbach - your intentions are clearly good, but please don't use the wrong words, terms and labels. Because so many other artists and creative people do, and it's so destructive for important societal debates.
@@PerChristianFrankplads From Wikipedia: „It (AfD)is positioned on the radical right, or far right, of the political spectrum within the family of European political parties.“ I am correct in putting it as I put it.
@@Hainbach The AfD is clearly fascist. And yes, you are correct in putting it as you did.
@@Hainbach: Did you really delete my reply to your comment with the Wikipedia quote? If so, that's very disappointing.
As I said, I'm very much on the left myself, and it's this kind of censorship and dislike of rational discussions that plagues our political side today. I really thought you would be better than this, but if you deleted my previous comment (and especially this one as well), I guess that says something significant.
I'm left wing but I am a gun lover.
Its strange for me as a person from the other side of the world, to hear Germans speak negatively about avant-garde music, saying it has nothing to do with the national heritage etc when, again from the other side of the world, Germany is totally identified with avant-garde and experimental music and art. To us, this music and art is EXTREMELY German.
I was about to say myself! Post-War German music is extremely forward thinking, and I cannot imagine it existing anywhere else but Germany.
@@thelo-fidelityarchive597 Post-War German music was also largely made by people who didn't support the Nazis and were now trying to find a new way forward. The AFD represent the kind of people who thought the Nazis were right and Germany needed to go back to that. Fascists tend to be pretty shit artists.
@@drpibisback7680 But it was also the music of the late 19th and early 20th century. That's mainly due to how music was publically funded and also how the academic study of music was established. All the German speaking microstates started to establish research Universities after Prussia had done so in Berlin and Bonn and started to compete by adding new departments. As a result you got the first departments of music and then to keep up more of them started to pop up. But you are right in that the Nazis opposed these styles of music as well, anything that came after the late Romantic period, really (and that's the same for other types of art as well).
Yeah, I find the organ scene in France and Germany to be very avant-garde when it comes to new compositions as well as the design of new pipe organs.
Indeed, even sticking to the late 20th century German avant-garde was extremely influential on an enormous amount of new music styles.
If you listen to interviews or documentaries about virtually any band from the UK from the 70s or 80s doing something new, there’s almost inevitably a moment where they say the moment their understanding of music change was something like “I heard Kraftwerk for the first time on the radio, and that took me to Can/Faust/Stockhausen/etc.”
"You shouldn't put politics in music" - the political party trying to change music.
"I know that art should be seperate from the state, but if we, the state, are funding it then we have a right to decide what they do."
-the political party that definetly wants to decide who gets to do what
"We want to promote GERMAN music!"
*Germans make anti-fascist music*
"Wait no, not like that"
oh Bella, ciao!
Shitting on fascists is more German than being fascist. Objectively.
@@AndrossUT they used to have to have a wall to keep it out even
@@AndrossUT Marx was german, after all.
@@theothertonydutch lolololol got 'em.
They’re not even trying to hide the “degenerate art” rhetoric, are they?
Very frightening and sad to see this happening. I’m in admiration of the tenacity and bravery of you and all involved in this wonderful festival.
I was going to say that the actions of the AfD bear a horrible resemblance to the Entartete Kunst ("degenerate art") activities of the 1930s. The irony is that this period virtually wiped out all native German culture up to that point, and a "new" German culture had to be constructed from the ashes of WW2. This rebuild led directly to the avant-garde and electronic music of Can, Neu, Tangerine Dream etc. that we, outside of Germany, so admire to this day! Art and music need to be presented and tested before the public without fear, and if it becomes "niche" - well, so be it. After all, the critics rushed to criticize Mozart, Bach, Beethoven etc. as they were creating their greatest works.
Meanwhile, the "destructive tape loops" idea is a brilliant way to counter their sour rhetoric. Well done, Mr Hainbach, I salute you. Music transcends all this BS.
For real,when I was hearing the story I thought it was going to be the typical far right rhetoric with dog whistles to hide their real,hateful message. But it surprised how BLATANT some of these people were
time to go make some of that neo folk music, but make it progressive protest music.
@@MirlitronOne "the actions of the AfD bear a horrible resemblance to the Entartete Kunst ("degenerate art") activities of the 1930s" That is not an accident, in fact, that's the intention. These people are just trying to recreate a horrible regime that killed many.
the "guys we're nazis, like literally we're saying it to your face" coupled with the 'wow it seems like these guys are doing some things that have troubling echoes from a certain past regime, seriously do better guys this is pretty yikes' response pattern is getting pretty grating tbh
"the most unpolitical art form, music" even Goebbels acknowledged in his fight with Furtwängler that there is no such thing as unpolitical music. Thank you for fighting back Hainbach.
With all confidence: Music has no purpose whatsoever beyond _being good to listen to._
Political writers can only parasitize upon music and the arts by denying the the sublime; through attempting to subordinate any and all potential of the art form into the service of an ideological goal or statement. Truly a reductive and fateful mistake, imho.
_Life and music can be much more beautiful than that._
The part where you are agreeing with Goebbels should cause pause, not affirmation. He was a propagandist. Propagandists politicize everything. When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
@@shaft9000 Let me take your claim that music must be good to listen to at face value (music can be abrasive sometimes or downright painful, but it's still music). Even then, if we define music as something that is good to listen to, and people think that political music is good to listen to, then what's the problem? You don't have to enjoy it to accept that it is music
We must also recognize that attempts by the right (or anyone really, but it's usually the right) to make art apolitical is itself a political decision. Art or music that is sympathetic to their cause is not considered political and therefore allowed, while opposing politics is not allowed
@@shaft9000 Sorry, I couldn't hear you over me listening to the DEATH track from Cruelty Squad's OST.
No, seriously though, as a hobby musician I can tell you with all confidence: Music has no purpose but to be art. It is, by nature, political, as it is influenced and shaped by your ideas, worldview and ethics.
You don't have to make it explicitly political, obviously, but just like any form of art, it is mere communication from an artist to a consumer via a medium. And they can chose whatever it is they want to communicate and in whatever shape and form.
And if you don't like it, that's fine. But music is most definitely NOT made to "be good to listen to".
:/
The speech from the AfD could be straight outta Goebbels mouth. What the f* happens in Germany? Thank you for your effort Hainbach!
Same thing happening in the usa
"WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH MUSIC?"
absolutely everything
Even in ancient Greece the music was political.
Harmony ✔️ rhythm ✔️ melody ✔️ 🤔
In this case harmony has a double meaning 😉
maybe not much with music but everything with art
When someone says art is not political, it only means they have never seen art.
Music is art. Art is language. Language expresses ideas. Ideas cause introspection. Introspection is the enemy of fascism.
Look at how the Nazi Party treated art in the 30s, they had museums to portray how "degenerate" the art of Jewish, Romani, African, and other cultures were. We teach and learn history to recognize patterns. And when patterns are recognized, we act.
Great video! Much love
art is language?
@@heartache5742 from a difrent point of view
So are memes
@@heartache5742 Yes, art is language. Art communicates ideas, emotions, concepts, humor, terror, anger, hope and more. Art communicates the thoughts of the artist, and generates new thoughts in those who experience it. This is language. Communication is the only utility of language, language is anything that communicates information from one mind to another or many. Of course art is language. It can be nothing else.
@@Kazemahou but the author is dead and the ideas are scrambled beyond any possibility of recognition
and that language is communicative/representational is a common misconception
animals communicate perfectly fine without language
the world runs on non-linguistic communication between various bodies
@@heartache5742 in an abstract way yes, and in a very concrete way it is a way to express something.
Not much moves me these days. I'm 78 years old. Spent time "defending" Germany in the 60's. learned the language and almost stayed ...but returned to the US and went back to school. Point being, at the time it never occurred to me that the right would rise again, either there or here in the US. Thank you Hainbach for doing your part to stand and let your voice heard! When you mentioned the woman and her daughter connected with your work, it brought me to tears.
Dude you were occupying Germany. If you think the right is a threat today you have another think coming.
Well, why _is_ the US Army is still occupying Germany after 75 years?
And how do we have 'a left' without also having more or less of 'the other side' to compare it to?
This is far more nuanced than merely wanting to be 'on the right side of history' - which is an odd goal if one is decidedly "left". That simplistic attitude is just what kicks the can down the road to future generations. _.....thanks, boomers!_
@@domdraper3221 The right is a threat. If you're unaware of the threat, that's your own personal failure.
@@shaft9000 Yeah, such a terrible motivation not to allow america or the world at large to slide into regressive right-wing fascism/theocracy.
@@domdraper3221 not sure you realise why "defending" is in quotes like that in @walterinpv comment. Maybe give it another think, or you've got another THING coming.
Having been subjected to so much pointless, artless, contextless, German speeches over one pulsing oscillator power electronics over the years, its so refreshing hearing hate speech in the german language turned on its head in this way. Hainbach, youre a national treasure.
The fascists haven't progressed from the Entartete Kunst exhibition of the 1930's. And it really annoys me the way fascists have hi-jacked Folk music for their own ends.
@@CampVictoria They’re literally the far-right mate, sorry if the label fits
It’s not Folk Music it’s Neofolk Music, a specific genre devised by fascists to spread their aesthetics of violence. Death in June, Boyd Rice, other satanists and psychopaths infest that scene. Down with them!
Of course they haven't progressed. Fascism and conservative ideologies in general are diametrically opposed to progress. "Reject modernity, embrace tradition" is a guiding principle for reactionaries. Their ideal society is one in which they never have to experience anything new or be challenged intellectually. That's why despite the far right being ever present they've never been at the forefront of any artistic movement.
@@TayTayMakesBeats nailed it
@@TayTayMakesBeats that's not strictly true - look up the Italian poet Marinetti who founded the Futurist movement, which is a vital part of the story of the avant garde, but also he an early proponent of fascism, a huge supporter of Mussolini and I think even wrote the fascist manifesto. Plenty of other early modernists with similar leanings - D'Annunzio, Wyndham Lewis, Ezra Pound...
I guess that if a political party wants the new music to disappear it is the best proof of how powerful and "dangerous" that music can be. I feel that their effort to silence the festival only makes the artists work harder. I agree, destruction loops is probably the most powerful musical performance I've ever experienced. Thank you.
Man, IDK. I'm ignorant about German politics, but it looked to me that the problem to them is the festival being funded with public money. Their manifests are kinda hateful, yes, but are them against the music or the public money being put on it?
@@PastelComGini Every single country in the world has a public arts fund of some kind, their problem isn't with public money being used for the arts, but with that money going to art which challenges their reactionary worldview, anti-fascist art is an overwhelmingly positive force.
Be KIND.
Rewind!
@@BluePlanetMedia You can be kindly critical.
@@ChaosSwissroIl Yeah, that's why they are labeled like that... 🙄
@@ChaosSwissroIl Pls. Just think about the logic of your comment for a sec. it makes no sense.
@Alfie why are you interested in that?
It's a sad form of irony given how instrumental Germanic composers were in the development of early synthesizers and electronic music. To minimalize their musical history to forms of folk, as great as that genre of music may be in its own right, is a disservice to their own country's advancements
Quite an awesome piece you made in response, I'm glad that in the end you were able to share at least one nice, human moment through it. Very strong statement behind it and I'm glad that someone said it. It's sad to see large groups hold such strong, visceral, and influential opinions over an increasing amount of seemingly non-disruptive "issues" (as if a musical festival could even be labeled as such)
It's eye-opening when the far-right movement in Germany mentions the former US president. Good to see you stood your ground and did something productive with such hateful comments.
Republican mainstream political policy places them in the far right of most of Europe.
@@deadlightdotnet American Politics in general is far right lol
@@dylanroemmele906 Yeah, it's very skewed. The Democrats, in terms of policy, are pretty much the same as our Conservative party in the UK
@@deadlightdotnet Maybe more on the lines of Ukraine lol
Democrats in the USA are insane. They are the party founded on Slavery. They are the party of Racism, Segregation, anti Woman Voting, Redlining (keeping minorities is garbage communities), etc... There is more, but CZcams always censors the facts. The left is evil. They suppress freedom of speech. They are history revisionists. They cancel anyone they disagree with.
"There is some sort of perverse pleasure in knowing that it's basically impossible to send a piece of hate mail through the Internet without its being touched by a gay program. That's kind of funny."
Eric Allman, openly gay programmer who developed sendmail
But he's also white, so guilty of original sin in IdPol circles. Does that mean sending emails is also cultural appropriation? 🤔
@@chetatkins6008 yikes edgy
@@ChaosSwissroIl claiming that 'use of a piece of software written by a white person = bad' is a leftist value is constructing a straw man larger than the eiffel tower lmao
@@ChaosSwissroIl Bruh I am 'a leftist' (tho i imagine this term has a different meaning between us) and do not advocate this nor have i ever heard a claim like that from any of my peers.
Of course i agree that this specific quip is absurd. Claiming that this is a mainstream leftist view though is just silly.
There are real issues around cultural appropriation and avoiding anything created by white people does not solve them and is not part of any political agenda i've seen, but feel free to prove me wrong
@@ChaosSwissroIl That's not what cultural appropriation is. You got mad at something you invented in your head.
There are so many things I want to say, but foremost is admiration. Not only did you defy narrow minded bigots and their petty hatred, but you repurposed that hate into the instrument of defiance. Bravo!
Thank you, Hainbach. Art is life, and life is art; of course politics is included -- whether we want it to be so or not.
Of course they hate it.
It involves more creativity and experimentation than they're capable of.
Avant garde is a dirty word to these people.
Music is "the most unpolitical art form"? Has whoever said that ever actually heard of music before...?
Calling any artform non-political smacks of complete ignorance. Art is inherently political because (among loads of other reasons) many political ideologies are anti-art. Self-expression is a challenge to fascism because fascists believe self-expression is a defect to be stamped out.
@@drpibisback7680 There have been studies on this to examine it more closely. Researchers identified five "moral foundations" people have... and the results varied quite a bit with political affiliation. Specifically, the studies found that people on the left place very high value on:
A. Fairness (integrity, justice, proportionality)
B. Caring (empathy, doing no harm)
People on the right also value these things, but to a lesser extent. Instead, people on the right (especially far right) placed a higher priority on:
C. Ingroup loyalty
D. Obedience to authority
E. Purity (order, cleanliness, disgust toward differences and disorder)
The researchers considered these last three to be good things, and concluded or at least hinted that people on the right are more ethical because they have more values. However, traits C+D+E add up to a strongly conformist value system which considers uniqueness and self-expression to be defects. It's basically the core of what enables fascism.
If you're interested in more detail, look up Moral Foundations Theory. It's a fascinating look at humanity.
@ The Pack Rat Basically, while moving from left to right on the political spectrum, the studies found that the weight of A and B decreased and C, D, and E increased.
There was a point in-between where the lines crossed, but that doesn't mean it's an optimal balance. Being half-caring and half-fascist is better than being entirely fascist, but it's still not great.
FWIW, the intersection point was near the right edge of the graph. The vast majority of the population scores higher on A and B than on the other traits... and basically only criminals, psychopaths, and right-wing authoritarians scored higher on C, D, and E.
As for self-expression vs fascism, there were other studies which looked at right-wing authoritarianism and found some curious results... Like, after establishing a given trait as bad or undesirable, a study asked people how much of that trait a person should ideally have -- less than average, an average amount, or more than average.
Almost everyone answered "less than average", of course... but people with right-wing authoritarian traits answered "an average amount". Like, they didn't care if it was bad... they just cared if it was common. They recognized that they had that trait, and wanted to believe everyone else did too. They needed to believe they were normal.
This is probably a big part of why the far right spends so much effort saying everyone else is "equally bad". And why the previous president cared so much about crowd sizes. And why, when no one agrees with them, they call themselves "the silent majority". And why that one lady calls herself "One Million Moms" even though it's just one person and a few twitter followers. They call people "sheep", but yet are very deeply uncomfortable with being different, and are obsessed with being part of a flock.
Meanwhile, the rest of the population views uniqueness and self-expression as good things.
In any case, one key finding from the study was that, when dealing with an extremist of that sort, it's pointless to argue that what they're doing is wrong. They probably are well aware of that, and just don't care. Instead, it's more effective to show them that they're alone, that what they're doing is weird or aberrant.
So Hainbach's destruction tapes, and the widespread positive response to it, are a great answer. It may seem a bit like public ridicule, but it speaks their language. It hits on a level much deeper than any rational or empirical argument ever could.
@ The Pack Rat Left-wing authoritarians are too rare to really measure.
However, the moral foundations researchers later added a sixth trait called "liberty", because Libertarians were upset about being lumped in with other conservatives.
So there are a couple more categories on the spectrum... there are conservatives who value liberty above everything else, and they're usually called Libertarians. They tend to vote the same as other conservatives, but for different reasons.
There are also progressives who value liberty above everything else, and they're usually called anarchists. They tend to vote differently, and often support right-wing policies for much the same reasons as Libertarians do.
This destruction loop is a great message in favour of the freedom of expression. Political parties openly opposing art that is critical of them is fundamentally undemocratic.
@@CampVictoria Well, seeing as usually the right-wing bands are actively being homophobic/xenophobic, then yes they should be defunded. Because hate isn't an opinion. And don't pretend it is.
@@CampVictoria Why would he? Why should he?
@@CampVictoria lmao
@@CampVictoria This is a 'what aboutist' argument and it seems you're comparing apples with oranges. I don't know which events you're refering to but pushing to defund a festival because they are critical of your political party is something very different than defunding events that promote things like homophobia/xenophobia etc as Amara points out.
A political party should be open to criticism no matter where it finds itself on the political spectrum.
It's funny that these are almost always the types to cry about cancel culture (usually when people call them out for being prejudiced) when they're more than willing to shut down harmless artistic expression because it doesn't align with their views.
This is important. You are making an effort for the arts to be free and uncensored and fighting back on political oppression. Keep it up Hainbach.
Danke für das wichtige Thema! 🙏
Destruction-looping far right hate comments might be one of the most beautiful ideas to deal with this whole situation from an artist's perspective.
I love how you use your voice as an artist to speak against the far right movement, really important in times like this.
That last anecdote was really heartwarming and gives hope in this dark times.
I'd like to see a visual interactive one with printouts you can place into a shredder, perhaps pulling a lever drops one on a conveyor belt leading them to the mouth of the machine. Then use the bits to make papier maché or something useful like that.
Yes!
@@mixiekins it opens up so many possibilities for so many uses in so many other ways (such as shredding, like you suggested) - I can see this as an excellent tool for mental health therapy, for example
"This tape machine kills facists"
Thank you for this piece 🖤
Especially love the fact that it was really intended to engage with the people of Halle.
That's how antifacism works, it's a long and sometimes tiring work of engaging with people locally, trying to counter and slowly erode the facists and far-right hate that keep getting spewed on a loop by the media and political parties. All the while strengthening mutual aid networks, sharing knowledge, art and ideas, cultivating each other's openeness to new experiences and our ability to build solidarity beyond borders. ✊
Well now it motivates me even more to go work on my "leftist readings on cassette tape" ambient project ! Thank you for the inspiration ! 🏴
Nope, it is about working for the 1% to destroy your own people. You are globalist or not globalist, everything else is just smoke and mirrors.
@@mister2628 My own people are the workers of the world and it is for this very reason that I'm an internationalist.
Your borders and national "pride" are the smokes and mirrors designed to keep the working class in a state of servitude by pitting us against each other, while we should unite to fight the capitalist exploitation all over the world and stand in solidarity with each other.
You're just doing the bidding of the capitalist class (the actual 1%), and if you're hoping to gain some benefits from the exploitation and suffering of other working class people, well you won't gain anything in the long run unless you're a capitalist yourself.
So please stop licking the boot that will ultimately crush you and join the struggle for liberation of all people.
Otherwise you can take your thinly veiled xenophobic and antisemitic take elsewhere thank you.
It's weird because artistic expression is always tied to politics just by existing. Not to mention Neo folk notoriously has a high percentage of artists who use fascist and nationalistic sentiment and themes in their music, so also quite political.
Yeah, but that's the good kind of politics. /s
Your thoughtfulness, kindness, courage, and intellect in your art are very much appreciated. Thank you for making and sharing it so well! You’re my new favorite.
Thank you for using your voice to bring peace. As someone within multiple communities that the far right would like to get rid of, it's comforting when fellow composers use their work and platform to speak out against the hate.
Hi Hainbach. Just wanted to say how much I appreciated this. In my own country of the UK there are worrying signs that the ruling right wing Conservative government are trying to engineer ‘culture wars’ around the making of art, funding of the national broadcaster the BBC, and so on, using all the spurious ‘populist’ arguments about how there is a need for a proper, ‘patriotic’ national art. It is almost as if these people have no conception of where attacks on ‘Entartete Kunst’ might lead… (except, of course, they do…) You have taken a brave stance and are fulfilling the true obligation of the very best art, to speak truth to power, with this latest iteration of your inspired, transformative ‘hate loops’. More power to you. :;
A genius way of dealing with negatively, thoughts are with my many German friends 💗
This is a beautiful and powerful project. A perfect, peaceful way to fight back!
I am so glad I clicked on this. The concept is brilliant! I am a bit in awe of the power I see in it. I am in America and constantly struggling to think of ways to fight against the rise of authoritarianism. Your efforts are inspiring.
That was a great story, and a great thing you did by participating in this festival.
Wow, this is really powerful.
Those recordings from the AfD honestly sound like they're from the 1930's...
The funny thing is that so far my music has never been political, but the far right trying to cancel an experimental music festival makes me want to do something with that.
Everything in German sounds like from 1930.
That's how they sound.
Thanks for your contributions toward a kinder world - may compassion prevail.
A neighboring state was awarding musicians for their composition. My college professor was asked to be a judge. As he spent time with the organizers, he started asking questions about their program.
In the 80s, their state had a 5 million dollar taxpayer funder budget for music. Each year, they handed out $50,000 in grants and awards to musicians. $50,000 of the $5,000,000 budget was given to musicians. Where did the other 99% go?
After that point, he became an advocate against the NEA and various state sponsored music programs.
It is interesting to hear that in your story, once the state no longer sponsored the festival - private industry took its place to keep the festival going. ...and the love of the community to support the festival directly shows its true worth. That is very likely the way it should be.
This is very important, and worries me greatly here in the US currently as well. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this Hainbach.
🙄🙄🙄
@@BluePlanetMedia As someone from the US it also worries me as well. There is a similar pall over the U.S. with people mistakenly thinking that you’ve got to choose undemocratic/fascist thinking because the power structure is pushing that narrative. We live in times of great despair and it’s a problem all of us are dealing with- so I don’t understand what you mean.
@@BenWard29 exactly.
@@BluePlanetMedia I didn’t say that the US was causing issues there or that they were causing issues in the US. The underlying problem is alienation, disenfranchisement and lack of opportunity are causing politicians to push a populist/nationalist agenda to those people who will accept an easy boogeyman. Whether it’s “ethnic replacement,” “mass migration,” “critical race theory” or “government sponsored festivals that aren’t nationalist enough,” most of these topics, and the conversation surrounding them are very similar between Europe and the US. It is myopic to think that right-wing movements don’t have a similar core or goal. The right wing constantly sees the same issues as the rest of us but evaluates the problem to cherry pick data and back up their existing ideology instead of possibly questioning what they believe- and the far-right has some of the most bone-headed takes I’ve ever heard. If I’m not seeing something clearly here, please inform me- I’m actually willing to question my beliefs. I only really care about improving the material conditions for all, maintaining our rights, stop arguing about bullshit and just actually do something.
"Whoever forces political messages into music shows that he understands nothing of art". Beautifully stated by somebody who clearly doesn't understand anything about art or politics.
It is also nicely ironic that they also want to have music that is, nationalistic.
@@authorless That's easy: just appropriate folk music. Unless it's in some kind of way "communist" folk music :D
I would tend to agree, though. Setting out to make a message and then tethering the musical form to it like tentpoles is the method of propaganda. But, you could certainly have statements with serious political implications well up within you and manifest through song. Perhaps it isn't always column A/column B, though?
@@Mahaveez I'd say propaganda is the opposite, using a popular medium and attach politics to it: the "forcing political messages into music" part. What that guy doesn't understand is that art has (more often than not) political value, with no need to "force" a message.
agree with all thats said, but I do feel that music is better enjoyed aesthetically & emotionally instead of ideologically & intellectually.
both left and right leaning people tend to contribute massively to the current division instead of bringing people together.
It's funny cause i really identify Germany with avant-garde music and art that pushes limits.
For me that's part of the German DNA
Since I'm not a German citizen I won't comment on your politics but something you said piqued my curiosity. You said that private interests stepped in and funded the festival. Shouldn't that be how these things are funded in the first place? That way, taxpayer money isn't spent on things they might not agree with.
Promotion of culture in general is in the public interest even if specific instances of that culture don't appeal to everyone.
Absolutely fantastic! Solidarity with you all.
The moment when you realize the man is as sweet as his voice.
Hainbach you bloody genius! Good for you! I've always loved your concept behind the Destruction Loops. I'm glad to see that you've taken it to the next plateau, and given it significant meaning that speaks to the world that we live in. What makes it even better is that you have perked curiosity in a younger generation.
Much love from Canada.
"Too many protest singers. Not enough protest songs." That came to mind when seeing this.
The far rights rise around the world is terrifying.
@Stromberg Thornton - Understood.
Although for me, the far right don't terrify me. They often make me sad and sometimes make me laugh!
@@NewRomancer37the reason is that political propaganda has become more accessible and that foolish people eat it up.
Gut gemacht.
Ich bin froh das wir noch Menschen in Deutschland haben die mutig genug sind.
Ein großes fettes "Dankeschön" von mir.
What an absolutely haunting project. It is absurd to me that the reaction to avant-garde works has been roughly unchanged for, what, 200 years? Every time a different voice emerges there is always a reaction of 'this is no longer art'. Now, I understand that not everyone likes the same things, there are people who like old art and there are people who like new art, but time and time again progressive and avant-garde artists have been painted as the death of art. Then there's also the aspect of protest in art. This political party is presenting this festival as if all art before has been compliant with the status quo. Protest against and critique of a (let's say) ruling class in music has been going on for centuries. I understand your apprehension to go to this festival, given that these people are quite vocal about their disgust for music they deem un-musical, but it must feel great to have been able to show a work like this in an environment like that. Keep up the great work. You're truly an inspiration.
Such a great point. An example being many from that political spectrum pointing to specific classical music, which at the contemporary time could have been composed by a deeply critical composer (Chopin, Beethoven in his later years, etc) and was scrutinized at the time
People on the far right always claim they want free speech while doing everything in their power to silence the ones they don't deem worthy.
I'm so glad the festival happened and that you chose to speak about it on your channel. I imagine it might attract some quite nasty comments - but, this is worth talking about and pushing back against for sure!
the far right isn't representative of "people on the right" in the same way that i hope you're not representative of the soviets or modern day chinese communists.
@@toiletfriend420 they didn't mention "people on the right", they mentioned "the far right"
I think you should consider why you jumped to that conclusion.
@@anessenator no jumping done. i just wanted to remind everyone that extremism does as extremism does no matter its polarity.
@@toiletfriend420 Extreme socialist libertarianism?
@@anessenator yes, that well known extreme entity "Extreme socialist libertarianism". come on.
Some years ago in Finland, local 'right-ish wing' party proposed ending the public funding of, literally, 'postmodern fake art'. You know, these tax payer funded forms of art that draws audience mainly consisting of artist's parents. Anyway, the proposal was pretty strictly defined. As an end result, everybody, including the most mainstream pop artists were deeply worried that their basic human rights were now endangered. Literally, to produce publicly funded 'postmodern fake art'.
I really loved that tongue-in-cheek crafted proposal and the obvious knee jerk shitstorm that ensued. Since then the party has degenerated into this populist Ukraine warmongering that seems to be the norm these days.
As an American, it's at least nice to know we're not alone in dealing with these fascists.
Bless you, sir. Thank you for standing up to hatred and fascism.
This is a sad but fantastic video. Content and communities like this can become the sand paper to some of the hate loops of the ignorant people in the world. Well done
So um... We're literally doing Entartete Kunst again, huh...? Guess 90 years was enough time to forget...
Hey man, that's an important project. Thanks for taking a stance on the fascist destruction of modern European culture and lifestyle. I give you double thumbs up as well. Cheers from embattled Poland.
“The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters.”
przydałoby się takie coś w Polsce
Literally the opposite is true, don't see right wing people tearing down statues or melting ancient artifacts.
@@anessenator You can stick your corporate communism up where the sun doesn't shine.
@@mister2628 "wahhh this is communism, everything i dont like is communism. antifa are the real fascists wahhhh" thats what u sound like. 161!!!
This isn't about the art or "Germanness". Typical of fascists, it's just an excuse to make people they hate comply and bend to their power. It's the only thing that gives pleasure to their miserable lives.
We asked for flying cars and teleportation, instead we get the return of 1930s fascism. Thanks I guess?
Are you talking about all the tyrannical governments and how they are dealing with covid?
@@domdraper3221 Unless governments started gassing non-vaccinated people and putting them into ovens, no.
@@Copperhell144 Ok I’m not sure you know what a tyrannical government is. Nice try though.
@@domdraper3221 I feel like I gave a pretty good example of one tho?
@@Copperhell144 Not way. There have been way worse.
Herr Hainbach, you are magnificent! You tape installation is brilliant, danke sehr!
Bravo my friend. It's important to "get political" during this time of far -right resurgence. Well done.
@@CampVictoria If you're going through these comments just to spread right wing talking points, will you kindly leave? We don't care.
@@CampVictoria In my mind, I'm destruction looping everything you just said. Farewell.
every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction.
@@V3xxe I get that it's pretty disturbing for you see an opposing viewpoint.
@@gctechs It's more funny than anything tbh. Keep going so I can laugh some more.
Thanks for making this video, Hainbach. I'm not German and don't directly have a stake in this issue, but it's always bolstering for one's sense of humanity to see influential people using their reach to promote goodness in the world. Edit - I just realized this is 2 years old. Oh, well. Still a wonderful project.
Honestly, hearing that story of the defunding of a music festival, because the far right didn't approve the music and messages, makes me sad, scared and ashamed of being a part of this country. Still, it's really important that you shared this story and the beautiful ending let me hope. It's really awesome that you made this performance and it's really important that those performances continue. Thank you!
This is why I like private funding of art. It removes it from the whims of politicians seeking to make cheap points.
Congratulations on delivering such a great response to the AfD's attacks. This is an incredibly powerful artwork. Claiming art is apolitical just shows immense ignorance - art does not exist in a vacuum, it exists in a social context - challenging and questioning that context has been a core part of art since postmodernism, at the very least. Resisting criticism of one's own ideology and blindly following reactionary rhetoric can lead to a very dangerous path.
'since postmodernism'
Not much time tbh
@@CampVictoria Says the guy commenting on every post he can find haha
@@V3xxe I don’t get it.
@@aaronjsolomon That user is basically going into every post that mentions right-wing politics and saying "but it's the left who are the bad guys!". It's rather comical.
@@V3xxe It's another potential art project.
This is so heartwarming! ❤ thanks hainbach, you truly inspire me!
Thank you Hainbach, this exactly what we need. Well done and well said. My honest admiration and support.
Such a powerful instrument: taking the voices and messages of hateful people and instead of ignoring them symbolically erasing them. Thank you!
I am paralyzed by such events for different reasons. In a bad way by backstory that led you to create this, but then there is the good way: your creation. My admiration for how you handled this.
I support the right to free speech irregardless of its content, it's both laughable and cowardly that the AfD can't face criticism for their views when they are constantly crying about their own views being misrepresented and silenced.
as you know i was there for every minuet of this live and recorded it in case youtube took it down im so glad you have found this way to help show off this tragedy I'm sure i can say a lot of people are grateful for what community's can do when they put there minds to it
"Butcher music on the altar of politics" is awfully grand coming from the guys publicly campaigning to shut down a festival. What is it with facists & claiming to love their culture, yet actively trying to suppress artist expression?
Thank you from the USA, where we have our own fascist problem.
When fascists want to censor your art you know that you are doing something right.
Man, this is so good. Like, good in an ethical and cathartic way. My own country (Brazil) elected a president that leans very closely to the far-right, and he defunded a lot of art programs, especially those deemed "leftist". The Minister of Culture, an actor chosen by the president, supported all of this. It's heartbreaking. I'm currently in Europe, and it's very hard to see the catatonic state of the country from afar.
People are still fighting back, but unless they can elect better politicians next year, it's a losing battle, at least in its current form.
On the street there's more people than we think willing to fight fascism. Constitutional representation is what makes them seem more in numbers and power. Keep up the good fight and don't give them an inch of public space. ✊
I'm not gonna be kind to fascists
You are such a tender and beautiful being. I hope my two young boys will grow up to be as kind and open as you are.
I wish more humans where as rational, empathic, thoughtfull, effective - and just overall lowkey and lovely, in their artistic endeavours. This is 'hero stuff'. Thank you, from Denmark ❤
Hainbach - you're one of the good guys. Thanks for all that you do. Love from London UK!
Maybe they all need to be strapped to chairs, with their eyelids forced open, and be made to watch TECHNOVIKING on a loop for 24 hours... 🤣
Dabbing on the rightwingers, Hainbach style. Just brilliant.
I experienced so many different emotions watching this… powerful stuff! Hianbach’s video always inspire me to try different techniques. I know many of them have been done before but his attitude and approach always makes me want to give it a try… destruction loops are next on my list.
Yet again, the supposed opponents of 'cancel culture' set about literally trying to cancel culture itself. Well done for tackling this in the way you have Hainbach 🙌🏼 what you've done is brilliant. Much love from Scotland 🏴🇩🇪
isn't right-wing an absence of government and left-wing nothing but government?
No, that's Anarchy and Totalitarianism you're describing, in that order
Dude as soon as I heard the word neo-folk lmao I was like ohhh boy that's all I need to know
thanks for this - I needed to see and hear this today
Hate will never win. America is so full of hate right now and it’s disgusting. I hope we can overcome this as a global community. Love you!
I love neofolk but it’s super sad that the far right believes that neofolk exists for them.
It does, it's great.
They don't think it exists for them. You are just delusional.
It's traditional and that's why they think it's good. Simply as that.
Good for you Mr Hainbach 👍👍👍 Namaste my friend 🙏
This is so damned great. I'm so glad you did this.
What I think is a real shame is that it has become a bad thing to have pride in your country. I am an American, and I am proud to be American. I know that very bad things have happen in our history, but we have done many good things as well. We have tried to overcome the sins of our past. Germany has a lot to be proud of as well, and you also have taken steps to overcome your past. There will always be hateful people in every group until the end of time, but we should not let those hateful ones control the narrative. It's alright to love your country, and to proclaim so should not earn you the moniker of hater.
unfortunately americas past is also americas present. the grand daughters and sons of slave owners benefit from their ancestors past. and those who arent white experience systematically attacks and oppression based on their identities.
been following you since nevada in my dreams vid. You've got the right idea here hainbach! full support!
Cheers for standing up!
I am an American currently living in Germany. Thank you for this video. I find the rise of nationalism disturbing and disappointing. I see it happening in my home country, and I see it here in Europe as well. Standing up to it is very important.
Hainbach, you are awesome. And so is that little girl and her mom.
Thank you Hainbach. This is a a very creative artful and valuable contribution.
Thanks for the absolutely beautiful story Hainbach
Fascinating how in their effort to go back to the "german roots" they actually destroy everything that makes it unique
Thanks for taking the time to make the video and share
@Hainbach , I hope you... as well as all the other Europeans reading this... appreciate that your governments fund these types of festivals in the first place. As a US resident, the idea of our government sponsoring avantgarde/progressive/etc music festivals just seems so unrealistic. I don't mean to suggest that this video isn't anything short of great. it is! I loved watching it, and completely support the message within it. I guess I'm just trying to say.... things can become FAR worse, and that transition to a far worse place can happen right under your noses without many people even noticing. Its important that you fight back, even against the things that might not affect you directly, as well as against the things that might not even seem super important at the time. In the US, we'd LOVE to have the relationship with our government that the German people have with their government. Don't take it for granted. Appreciate it, fight for it, defend it, support it. Do what you can to ensure democracy and freedom outlive the toxic forces that are trying to destroy us. Much love, Hainbach. thanks!
Bless you for doing this. My ancestry goes back to Ukraine, Poland and Hungary: Eastern European Jews. Thank you for standing up and using the weapon of your art against these horrible people.
I f your art has touched one person you have done something.