A Detroit Lions fan here. Came here after deciding to explore who Amon Ra St Brown's dad was, and wow - what a legend! I know nothing about bodybuilding but I surely loved this interview, so interesting. Three nice guys, too. A fascinating listen.
John Brown, the Legend! So cool to finally hear the stories from the man himself. Been listening to stories from Melvin, Milos, Shawn, etc for so many years. Now we know hes real and not just a myth 👍
I didnt know John Brown was 6’2. He is a living legend but a bit mythical too. Not a lot is shown about him but the stories are vast and told often. Great finally hearing from him directly! This is one ofy favorite interviews yet!!
Great podcast !!! The Ifbb would do themselves a favor if they hired Mr. Brown to mentor their athletes at the least teach them how to pose and learn muscle control and train for beauty not just size all you gurus do your athletes a favor a get Mr. Brown involved with them !!! Mr.Brown is a treasure he was featured on HBO hard knocks , Dennis we need more of Mr. Brown and Milos is always great . Thanks again I didn’t want it to stop !!! SR.
Great interview and glad to see John in this one as well I haven't seen him since late 90's , I'm not a professional bodybuilder but loved working out years ago and back then John taught me a lot about nutrition and working out , he's a good dude
I was about 15 and at the Night of Champions in NYC with the guy who owned my gym, Charlie, and his girlfriend Cathy, who (literally) had an equal or better body than Rachel Mclish who I've seen her standing next to. We're in the lobby, it was packed with bodybuilders and fans. Mike Christian was running around like a madman wearing a bright orange cutoff Golds gym sweatshirt...he actually did what we call a photo bomb these days, jumping into a pic Charlie was taking of me and Cathy. It was a wild energy filled place, not like the tense uptight shows I've been to a few times in the last 10 or 15 years. Then this dude walked in. He was tall, well dressed...like a perfect fitting polo shirt and slacks. He was so confident in himself, even in a room filled with bodybuilders he stood out. I remember how wide he was, but he had this ridiculously small waist, probably not 30 inches on a 250 lb body. He looked EXACTLY the way a bodybuilder should look and there wasn't an awkwardness or weird hunchiness to his physique. It was John Brown. He came over to us,introduced himself. I remember what a cool and polite guy he was. He wanted to know if Cathy, Charlie's Girlfriend, was interested in doing mixed pairs posing, which was becoming popular at the time. (In retrospect, I think Charlie discouraged her, because, let's face it...John Brown is hard to compete with). I've met and trained alongside (and trained with) quite a few pros in the NYC/Long Island/NJ area...Chuck Williams, Jimmy Quinn, Steve Micalich, Chris Dickerson....honestly, John Brown's physique still impresses me the most. Size is one thing,but his physique had perfect shape and flow on a big frame. And if you've ever seen him pose, which I did later that night when he was the NOC guest poser, you know how he's the ABSOLUTE MASTER of that art. I'm glad to see he's alive and well and looking great 40 years later. He definitely was and is an inspiration to me.
John, was one of the first bodybuilders I followed religiously back in the day, I was watching NFL this past Sunday and they did a short piece on Amon St Brown and he mentioned his father was a professional bodybuilder and they had video of John Brown, so I googled Amon and sure enough there was John. Nice to see his seeds succeed and garner their own success, still looking ready John.
Heck yeah. He was one of my favorites as a kid. Was such a thick guy. Had posters up in my buddies shed of him we trained in to motivate us. Middle school, those were the days. 😂
"Bodybuilder's today don't know how to train" - Why on earth do they all come out with this generic shite statement, just makes them sound extremely arrogant and condescending.
The mean comparatively. They don't know how to train hard- a lot of them. But, a lot of these guys aren't training the newer guys like they once were. So, there's a knowledge gap. You have to train with a hard trainer,to really see how to step it up
and this statement "they dont train hard" is based on what data? lol if anything there is less of a knowledge gap than ever with the internet... absolutely incorrect statement to make and literally made me stop watching the podcast straight away, even though i love denis podcast, when the guest literally comes out with this verbal garbage and continualky repeats it, its a see ya from me.
@@dannymccrory4288 missed a lot of good content. The thing is, it's important to remember that a lot of their comments aren't directed at top pros. Also, their method is not ideal for all Out mass
Milos looked so happy throughout the interview. You can tell he is in aw of the guy. As he should. Crazy to finally have an interview with him. Next step would be the impossible. Getting Mohamed Makkawy another legendary poser John Hansen tried but couldn’t get him.
I idolized John and became good friends with him... I absolutely love the guy and we haven't kept in touch for awhile - so this was a great opportunity to catch up...
At 6'2' myself, John was a real inspiration at a time where almost all pros were much shorter. He was a revolutionary poser but long before I got to see him live at Night of Champions, I admired his physique from a Muscle Digest article. The posing seems to overshadow any credit to his physique and even here at 7:30 the discussion of his physique started up but Dennis swung it back to posing 30 seconds later. John was X-frame long before Tony Freeman and his potential was perhaps cut short by the constant demand of guest posing and later, the pec tear. Great to see him here.
What a beautiful interview so good to see John Brown again haven't seen him for so long. I remember watching him on CZcams talkin about his boys it just brought a smile on my face to see just how successful he really became being a father is much more than being mr. Olympia. Dang I remember going to Fullerton College with Hal Klein and talking to him he was as friendly as could be he didn't know a stranger. He's always been so pleasant to me and came up to me and said hi and every scenario when our paths crossed such a delightful person👍👍👍 and of course it's always good to see Milos and Dennis I used to train a Powerhouse I was always in awe when I saw Milos such a beautiful classic physique😊👍🏆🏆 damn these stories are legendary I remember hearing about it and John talking about it briefly back in the day talk about interesting!!
He had one of the most impressive looking physiques, I remember trying to find anything I can in magazines about him when I was a teen getting into bodybuilding.
I didn't know Milos was into guys like that...touching John's arms lol..I have to say I started weight training in 1986 and John Brown's physique was my model as he has an exceptional proportions and symetrie
When you live in Serbia (former Yugoslavia) and you've never seen anything like it....and there is right there in front of you - you'd probably want to touch it too...😜
If the more you trained the more results you achieved with that logic then you should train 8 hours a day. But this is not the case. Long distance runners are slim and sprinters are very muscular
So fascinating to listen to the different training styles. Lee Haney was the opposite stimulate don't annihilate! Haney said he looked his best ever when he cut back his training for the 91 Olympia.🤔
I recalled JB saying something a while ago about over training. He said over training is relative. If you sleep 8-9 hours a day and do 20-30 sets per body part, that’s not over training. He has a very good point. Of course genetics and ability to recover plays a role. Nonetheless, great point!
What I don't understand is that if I take very short breaks between sets, I don't manage to move the same weight. If the pauses get shorter, then logically it's okay for the weight to go down, right? So if I do 4 sets, the first set and the last set are not the same or it decreases with each set?
@@kaizersoze2606 Hmm... how should I explain this. For example, I do 3 sets. 38, 40, 42kg dumbbell bench press with max 1,15-30min rest and 8-12 reps. If I minimise the rests to say 45 seconds, I assume I can't increase the weight and stay at 38kg. OR should I start with 42 and do say 45 seconds to 1 minute rest and then 8-12 in the first set. And then see if I can do 8-12 reps again and if not, reduce the weight?
@@italokurdo I would keep doing what your doing but don’t worry about how many reps your getting or maybe try medium moderate weight and don’t go up and do 4 sets of 10 reps and try to bump it up every week or last set push til failure most guys aren’t waiting any longer than a minute or so between sets I would say switch it up and don’t worry about the count so much concentrate on movement squeeze and muscle contraction burn them fibers my friend
@@kaizersoze2606 Okay, I will start on monday with that. I alwaya wondered what they mean when they talked about this. Because they didn' give examples. Only advises with no advises haha :D I appreciate your support, thank you :))
Great interview with the great John brown with all he has done and continues to do. On the downside you lost sound at about the 1hr 20 minute mark, as soon as Milos began talking about the sprinter and balco. Go figure 🤷🏾♂️🤔
John brown was born in 1959 the same year as Lee Haney, same age. I am their age and i remember a poster of john brown in my local gym where i were training and i remember John brown had the same as me but had a better physique than me. lol When he won his first M. Universe he was 22 years old and this year Haney just turn pro and in 1982 got third to Samir banout and Makkawi and after that in 1983 he won his first M.Olympia and after that the rest is a just a good story. When Johwn Brown was famous in Europe, Haney became famous in America.
WBF was made of the late 80's early 90's guys that we're getting magazine coverage and placing and shows, exept the giant killer and he had just made a great comeback! Mike Quinn took 6th in 88. He was pretty awesome that year until they drug tested him in the WBF!🙈🤣
Gotta yank it and jerk it. Who's giving Jim Brown game? It's important to overload the muscle. Strategy in the boardroom isn't the same as strategy formed using experience from the trenches
Legend but another old guy complaining about how the old times are best. Promote the sport & get with the New Generation & help out. Rather than do nothing, just complain, and talk bad about the current athletes. If not Shut up.
Bodybuilding now is a science experiment to recreate the hulk 🧪 it’s not doing your best with what you’ve got. So to me it takes away from the true beauty of the sport . I do agree with TRT for optimizing but keep it between the lines. Ps: such a great and interesting discussion 😊
Loved this one! So nice to hear John being acknowledged for all of his accomplishments!!
How can you hate Milos? So appreciative and expresses how influential people were to him.
Milos is awesome, and depresses me as well ... I just wish I were as passionate about something as Milos is about Bodybuilding and UFC .
A Detroit Lions fan here. Came here after deciding to explore who Amon Ra St Brown's dad was, and wow - what a legend! I know nothing about bodybuilding but I surely loved this interview, so interesting. Three nice guys, too. A fascinating listen.
The legendary John Brown! We have heard so much about him!
Milos is the most passionate person in bodybuilding! A walking bodybuilding encyclopedia!! 🔥💯
When he pulled that picture was proof of that - amazing💪
@@renejakobsen7444 Exactly!! 💯😁
Would u chew lightly on his wang?
I'm justing waiting for his diary with all the meals reps and workouts
I swear Milo's memory is underrated.
The legendary John Brown. Now if only they could find Brian Buchanan.
Totally agree two Legends and would be cool to know whats going on with Phil Hill :)
@@andrejavuckovic6735 Indeed.
JOHN BROWN isnt shy to tell how great he is
For real 😂😂😂😂
Exactly
When he tells you that he tells you .... well .... He's telling you :-P
John Brown, the Legend! So cool to finally hear the stories from the man himself. Been listening to stories from Melvin, Milos, Shawn, etc for so many years. Now we know hes real and not just a myth 👍
I absolutely love these podcasts with the true legends of the sport!!
I didnt know John Brown was 6’2. He is a living legend but a bit mythical too. Not a lot is shown about him but the stories are vast and told often. Great finally hearing from him directly! This is one ofy favorite interviews yet!!
Great podcast !!! The Ifbb would do themselves a favor if they hired Mr. Brown to mentor their athletes at the least teach them how to pose and learn muscle control and train for beauty not just size all you gurus do your athletes a favor a get Mr. Brown involved with them !!! Mr.Brown is a treasure he was featured on HBO hard knocks , Dennis we need more of Mr. Brown and Milos is always great . Thanks again I didn’t want it to stop !!! SR.
Watching Milos talk about bodybuilding is amazing he’s so passionate and his bodybuilding knowledge is absolutely insane
Great interview and glad to see John in this one as well I haven't seen him since late 90's , I'm not a professional bodybuilder but loved working out years ago and back then John taught me a lot about nutrition and working out , he's a good dude
Milos is a true student of the game and gives credit where it’s due. No jealousy just admiration and respect. Salute to Milos!
I was about 15 and at the Night of Champions in NYC with the guy who owned my gym, Charlie, and his girlfriend Cathy, who (literally) had an equal or better body than Rachel Mclish who I've seen her standing next to. We're in the lobby, it was packed with bodybuilders and fans. Mike Christian was running around like a madman wearing a bright orange cutoff Golds gym sweatshirt...he actually did what we call a photo bomb these days, jumping into a pic Charlie was taking of me and Cathy. It was a wild energy filled place, not like the tense uptight shows I've been to a few times in the last 10 or 15 years.
Then this dude walked in. He was tall, well dressed...like a perfect fitting polo shirt and slacks. He was so confident in himself, even in a room filled with bodybuilders he stood out. I remember how wide he was, but he had this ridiculously small waist, probably not 30 inches on a 250 lb body. He looked EXACTLY the way a bodybuilder should look and there wasn't an awkwardness or weird hunchiness to his physique.
It was John Brown.
He came over to us,introduced himself. I remember what a cool and polite guy he was. He wanted to know if Cathy, Charlie's Girlfriend, was interested in doing mixed pairs posing, which was becoming popular at the time. (In retrospect, I think Charlie discouraged her, because, let's face it...John Brown is hard to compete with).
I've met and trained alongside (and trained with) quite a few pros in the NYC/Long Island/NJ area...Chuck Williams, Jimmy Quinn, Steve Micalich, Chris Dickerson....honestly, John Brown's physique still impresses me the most. Size is one thing,but his physique had perfect shape and flow on a big frame. And if you've ever seen him pose, which I did later that night when he was the NOC guest poser, you know how he's the ABSOLUTE MASTER of that art.
I'm glad to see he's alive and well and looking great 40 years later. He definitely was and is an inspiration to me.
John, was one of the first bodybuilders I followed religiously back in the day, I was watching NFL this past Sunday and they did a short piece on Amon St Brown and he mentioned his father was a professional bodybuilder and they had video of John Brown, so I googled Amon and sure enough there was John. Nice to see his seeds succeed and garner their own success, still looking ready John.
Great indepth interview with a bodybuilding legend! Thank you Dennis and Milos! Looking forward to the next one with John! 😊👍
It would be cool to bring another legend Jeff King
Heck yeah. He was one of my favorites as a kid. Was such a thick guy. Had posters up in my buddies shed of him we trained in to motivate us. Middle school, those were the days. 😂
Derek, loved your comment.
@@ralphcoccio3799 I agree 👍
Thanks for this interview
"Bodybuilder's today don't know how to train" - Why on earth do they all come out with this generic shite statement, just makes them sound extremely arrogant and condescending.
The mean comparatively. They don't know how to train hard- a lot of them. But, a lot of these guys aren't training the newer guys like they once were.
So, there's a knowledge gap.
You have to train with a hard trainer,to really see how to step it up
and this statement "they dont train hard" is based on what data? lol if anything there is less of a knowledge gap than ever with the internet... absolutely incorrect statement to make and literally made me stop watching the podcast straight away, even though i love denis podcast, when the guest literally comes out with this verbal garbage and continualky repeats it, its a see ya from me.
I've seen the old videos, and the majority of the top guys wouldn't be able to keep up with the modern pro bodybuilders. Let's get real.
@@eldragon4076 Those old, days from contest videos? Naw- not the same.
@@dannymccrory4288 missed a lot of good content. The thing is, it's important to remember that a lot of their comments aren't directed at top pros. Also, their method is not ideal for all Out mass
2:20 Milos is an encyclopedia in person!! He remembers every thing, even the songs. Love it
And he always has a photo in his album. If there is ever BB hall of fame, I hope his photos end up there.
@@MrRaitziMilos needs to share those photos. He is crazy detailed and passionate
Milos on a podcast is always super
JB did revolutionize the sport. Salute to JB
Milos looked so happy throughout the interview. You can tell he is in aw of the guy. As he should. Crazy to finally have an interview with him. Next step would be the impossible. Getting Mohamed Makkawy another legendary poser John Hansen tried but couldn’t get him.
I idolized John and became good friends with him...
I absolutely love the guy and we haven't kept in touch for awhile - so this was a great opportunity to catch up...
@@MilosSarcevOfficialCZcamsPage happy birthday Milos !!!
Milos is someone who should be so much bigger than he is. A true bodybuilding thesaurus
At 6'2' myself, John was a real inspiration at a time where almost all pros were much shorter. He was a revolutionary poser but long before I got to see him live at Night of Champions, I admired his physique from a Muscle Digest article. The posing seems to overshadow any credit to his physique and even here at 7:30 the discussion of his physique started up but Dennis swung it back to posing 30 seconds later. John was X-frame long before Tony Freeman and his potential was perhaps cut short by the constant demand of guest posing and later, the pec tear. Great to see him here.
What a beautiful interview so good to see John Brown again haven't seen him for so long. I remember watching him on CZcams talkin about his boys it just brought a smile on my face to see just how successful he really became being a father is much more than being mr. Olympia. Dang I remember going to Fullerton College with Hal Klein and talking to him he was as friendly as could be he didn't know a stranger. He's always been so pleasant to me and came up to me and said hi and every scenario when our paths crossed such a delightful person👍👍👍 and of course it's always good to see Milos and Dennis I used to train a Powerhouse I was always in awe when I saw Milos such a beautiful classic physique😊👍🏆🏆 damn these stories are legendary I remember hearing about it and John talking about it briefly back in the day talk about interesting!!
John brown,had one of the best physiques,this guy was a Charles clairmonte,Frank zane,flex wheeler.
He had one of the most impressive looking physiques, I remember trying to find anything I can in magazines about him when I was a teen getting into bodybuilding.
I hope you can interview Dennis Newman. Greetings from Peru.
Love u milos and d.j..both big assets to bodybuilding community
Best episode ever
Please have John back on Dennis!!
Great podcast, with one of the greatest!!!😇
Just fantastic interview so damn good talking bodybuilding not as John said muscle building, keep up the awesome work I love these life stories.
Great episode!!! 😎
Best podcast yet 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I imagine John Brown and Puddin hung out together in Compton.
This was a great episode, I’ve always wanted to hear JB speak!!!
I didn't know Milos was into guys like that...touching John's arms lol..I have to say I started weight training in 1986 and John Brown's physique was my model as he has an exceptional proportions and symetrie
When you live in Serbia (former Yugoslavia) and you've never seen anything like it....and there is right there in front of you - you'd probably want to touch it too...😜
One of the best posers ever. I read all the bodybuilder magazines back in the seventies i follow his workout routines. Happy to see him.
Great to hear about his relationship with his kids.
So glad you had John on Bodybuilding legend. Not to mention produced 2 elite NFL receivers.
Milo’s is always good to have him he talks the truth about steroids how he talks about it good podcast Dennis well done
What a great guy John Brown is, fantastic interview!
This is POWERFUL. Iykyk
Respect his career, especially how he raised his son, but man is there any humility
You want some Strawberry protein, just throw some GD strawberries in it then 😆
Pure Realness. Best man.
All the mimimi guys in the comments, go cry in the corner.
John Brown: Exemplifier, Teacher & all the while staying humble!
Yea, Shawn said his name all the time
Real old school nice
Battle of the green screens; John vs Dennis
please come over to Australia it would be massive
Love it,John says it how it is 🫡
If the more you trained the more results you achieved with that logic then you should train 8 hours a day. But this is not the case. Long distance runners are slim and sprinters are very muscular
When I tell you that I watched this podcast.... yes , yes , I watched this Podcast :-D
get this man on a cutler podcast. We need to hear more from him
If I remember right Doyle Washington was a Natural WNBF pro.
😂 this dude was hilarious
So fascinating to listen to the different training styles. Lee Haney was the opposite stimulate don't annihilate! Haney said he looked his best ever when he cut back his training for the 91 Olympia.🤔
John Brown looked great from the front , but he had a weak back.. glaring weakness... When he tried competing at the 85 Mr. OLYMPIA, He placed 14th
This is why I love Milos so much and he is one of the best coaches he knows bodybuilding history!
I love Milos passion about bodybuilding!
I almost thought John Brown was Kevin Samuels
Was John a friend of Chris Cormier? I bet Chris is bummed not to join, today on the video!
One of his sons gets hurt a lot. I think both.
I recalled JB saying something a while ago about over training. He said over training is relative. If you sleep 8-9 hours a day and do 20-30 sets per body part, that’s not over training. He has a very good point. Of course genetics and ability to recover plays a role. Nonetheless, great point!
How did they spell protein wrong? And why is Dennis drinking vegetable oil? Lol
Milos is a legit legend
1:21:00, to about 1:25:00 was spot on. Have this conversation quiet often
What I don't understand is that if I take very short breaks between sets, I don't manage to move the same weight. If the pauses get shorter, then logically it's okay for the weight to go down, right?
So if I do 4 sets, the first set and the last set are not the same or it decreases with each set?
Are you doing sets beginning with heavier weight down to lighter weight or are you trying to go up but can’t because of shorter pauses ??
@@kaizersoze2606 Hmm... how should I explain this.
For example, I do 3 sets.
38, 40, 42kg dumbbell bench press with max 1,15-30min rest and 8-12 reps.
If I minimise the rests to say 45 seconds, I assume I can't increase the weight and stay at 38kg.
OR should I start with 42 and do say 45 seconds to 1 minute rest and then 8-12 in the first set. And then see if I can do 8-12 reps again and if not, reduce the weight?
@@italokurdo I would keep doing what your doing but don’t worry about how many reps your getting or maybe try medium moderate weight and don’t go up and do 4 sets of 10 reps and try to bump it up every week or last set push til failure most guys aren’t waiting any longer than a minute or so between sets I would say switch it up and don’t worry about the count so much concentrate on movement squeeze and muscle contraction burn them fibers my friend
@@kaizersoze2606 Okay, I will start on monday with that. I alwaya wondered what they mean when they talked about this. Because they didn' give examples. Only advises with no advises haha :D
I appreciate your support, thank you :))
Great interview with the great John brown with all he has done and continues to do. On the downside you lost sound at about the 1hr 20 minute mark, as soon as Milos began talking about the sprinter and balco. Go figure 🤷🏾♂️🤔
Mr. Brown is very interesting and intelligent. ..
¡!¡The lost Art of Bodybuilding¡!¡
Where is Melvin to corroborate all these claims John is making? This would be the perfect podcast to bring Melvin on.
Melvin would corroborate all of that.
I trained with both of them and at Powerhouse /Koloseum from 1991 to 2001.
I go into to the gym and see fat girls doing deadlifts and squats. 😂😂😂.
Milo's Dirty Diana wasn't out 40 years ago it must have been another song🤣 are those photos scanned Milo's you got to post them somewhere?
You know...
You are right....I messed it up - It was Billie Jean!!!
John brown was born in 1959 the same year as Lee Haney, same age. I am their age and i remember a poster of john brown in my local gym where i were training and i remember
John brown had the same as me but had a better physique than me. lol When he won his first M. Universe he was 22 years old and this year Haney just turn pro and in 1982 got third to Samir banout and Makkawi and after that in 1983 he won his first M.Olympia and after that the rest is a just a good story. When Johwn Brown was famous in Europe, Haney became famous in America.
Wow training with John's Brown you got to be prepare to use the whole box of tissues.. lol...
WBF was made of the late 80's early 90's guys that we're getting magazine coverage and placing and shows, exept the giant killer and he had just made a great comeback! Mike Quinn took 6th in 88. He was pretty awesome that year until they drug tested him in the WBF!🙈🤣
milos all day!
Is this the John Brown whose sons are in the NFL? Or is that another Bodybuilder named John Brown?
Yes, that’s him.
Keep this guy on ur show
🎉
I think I saw this already months ago
The most unsympathetic guest so far
Milos don't miss a Beat he's a bodybuilding expert
Nice one. That he inspired FIBO ? Man, if he had known how it would become the world’s main BB event ? Shiiiiiiiiiit brother. Thx anyway.
Their is no overtraining it's all overreaching and lack of recovery
They got to make it more exciting and start counting poser rounds as points
Gotta yank it and jerk it.
Who's giving Jim Brown game?
It's important to overload the muscle.
Strategy in the boardroom isn't the same as strategy formed using experience from the trenches
#milosforathletesrep
I'm a 51 year old who has been obsessed with bodybuilding since 13. I'm not a fan of this guy honestly. He's too full of himself. Just my opinion.
Over training
Mike menzer,, said it first,, fact.
Zero humility
Legend but another old guy complaining about how the old times are best. Promote the sport & get with the New Generation & help out. Rather than do nothing, just complain, and talk bad about the current athletes. If not Shut up.
When he started his racial bs, lost all credibility.
Bodybuilding now is a science experiment to recreate the hulk 🧪 it’s not doing your best with what you’ve got. So to me it takes away from the true beauty of the sport . I do agree with TRT for optimizing but keep it between the lines. Ps: such a great and interesting discussion 😊