To be honest, what most people remember about that movie is Rutger Hauer's performance and the amazing production design. Strip that away and your left with a noir-style detective story with no central mystery. The sequel is the superior film. By a long margin.
@@CatNerfer3000 Wow :I The original isn't even that original, it was adapted from the Philip K. Dick novel and otherwise heavily inspired by Noir films
@@CatNerfer3000 That wasn't rhetoric, it was genuine confusion and bewilderment. Whatever. If you think, BR 2049 is dog shit, then good for you, I'm not gonna reply anympre, nobody ever changes their opinion because of an internet argument
Fun fact, it was EXACTLY that emperor who fought in the gladiator arenas, and just like his movie counterpart, he was not a battle hardened conquer, but a smarmy and spoiled brat.
It's true that Commodus staged gladiator fights (starring himself), but according to the histories, he was murdered while in the bathtub (or his bed depending who you believe).
The Roman emperor who wanted to be a gladiator was Commodus. He set up all kinds of ridiculous combat scenarios where he always won. "Citizens of Rome missing their feet through accident or illness were taken to the arena, where they were tethered together for Commodus to club to death while pretending they were giants."
0:52 that's literally what Dan O'Bannon originally intended for the alien. The alien race was originally this advanced civilisation, but they're children were born wild with a ravenous desire to feed, so what the adults did was lower cattle into the pits with the eggs, the facehugger would latch onto the animal, then be birthed. The adults would keep the infant in the pit until it's urges stopped, then the adults would raise it. Unfortunately, the civilisation collapsed and all the adults died, leaving the infants without anyone to raise them, and this is where the crew of the Nostromo find them.
Yeah the portrayal wasn't bad. Commodus loved the games and almost bankrupted Rome putting them on, had inferiority complexes, did participate in the games but only because he rigged them so he would be in no danger and would always win (and he does this in Gladiator, but because it is a Hollywood movie he has to lose).
I just watched this film for a first time in 15 years and one thing i really liked is when they controlled the ship or computers it really felt like a prosecure. Nowdays in movies you just press one button on a holographic screen and thats it, its in the details...
Thank you! I just watched Face/Off yesterday and I thought that the computer's/User interfaces (maybe even the overall production design) looked so bland and dated and I immediately thought of movies like Alien and others, were technology and procedures that are presented still seem timeless.
I have to defend Gladiator for a bit here, at the beginning of the movie they show Joaquin Phoenix as being a very competent fighter, possibly even overconfident in his ability. Hes also shown as being desperate for attention and love, so there was no way he would back out from such a public challenge, not when Maximus was once again taking it from him. Everything we know about him points to him taking the bait, especially knowing he can (and does) cheat.
Yeah, of all the issues of historicity Rich would have with Gladiator, I find it strange that an already historically neurotic emperor acting insane was what did it for him.
yeah. this seemed totally in his character to me. he is a lil dick man with a lot to prove, and because he values approval through the arena audience, this ending made perfect sense.
Except, that while the best gladiators we know of had no more than 20 victories, Commodus did fight in the arena and had over 300 victories--in other words, they were all staged. Also, There was no such person as the character played by that antipodean lout whose name escapes me for the moment, and the idea of restoring the Republic in the mid-second century is not even school boy level stupidity. In other words, though some research was done, i'll grant you, on recreating the arena, the film is absolutely historically illiterate. Also, there is no way a man standing in the Imperial box could have made himself heard by even a tiny fraction of the audience--they had a billboard on which the emperor would paint messages.
@@helenaconstantine How is any of that relevant to the argument? It's like you just said "Supermans powers don't obey the laws of physics, therefore he shouldn't have killed Zod", I'm not following your logic.
I'm glad Ripley and Jonesy were buddies and that she saved him. Too many movies make cats into assholes and kill them off because people care more whether or not dogs die in movies.
You know, as much as I appreciate Mike's focus on plot points and story structure, as it can be very enlightening, especially in some of his Star Trek best episodes reviews, I think they've blinded him a bit from the differences between Alien and Aliens. Because while there are many mirrored plot elements (to greater and lesser extent, I think some of the similarities he mentioned were used to such different effect in the two that they shouldn't be compared), the themes, atmosphere and tone are so different that I don't think it's fair to call them the same movie at all. Alien doesn't have a clear protagonist until the end, whereas Aliens is all about Ripley's mental state and her journey. For its theme, at best Alien has a lot more sexually suggestive undertones that are very subtle, whereas Aliens is a lot more obvious with its theme of motherhood, for instance. The creepy computer/android stuff is pretty subtle in Alien, whereas the corrupt corporate guy is pretty obvious in Aliens. The culture of the crew in the Nostromo vs. that of the marines also feels very different and Ripley has a different relationship with both crews in the movies. Heck, in the Aliens she actually has to prove herself to them, which fits more in with her character arc, whereas Alien she's just a part of the crew. That's not even mentioning the way the aliens themselves are treated differently in the two movies because of the different equipment available to each crew. I know of at least one person who kind of hates Aliens because they are so much less powerful-seeming in it. Sure, there are lots of similarities, but I think it's too simplistic of a statement to say that they're the same movie. If structure is very important to you, as it obviously is to Mike, and you don't like how many plot points echo each other, fair enough. I just think "same movie" is an overreach.
@Derek McCumber I like the scene where we see that the alien has been turning people into eggs. It's way more, well, Alien than them having a queen bee and suggests the xenomorph has an ability to break down and rearrange organic matter, at least in this specific way, and while your conscious,which is very unsettling.
@@jasonfenton8250 in the DC version ... i like how after Brett is killed, we see ripley and parker run into the room and jussssst miss all the action. because in the theatrical you see Brett get killed.... the cat stare at the carnage... then it just cuts to everyone at the table and parker going "man it was big... big as a man.. it was huge!" ... i always felt like how did he see it? where did he see it??
The best part is them theorizing about Alien civilization, ballet and office buildings.. Which is a parallel to the AVP commentary where they talk about predators actually wearing monocles and top hats, and just put on monster costumes for their hunting trips hahaha
2:00 Mike's semi-irritated "What?" gets me every time. Like he was actually getting drawn into the scene and was subtly saying it in that tone as a way of going "Shut up about dumbass Alien vs. Predator."
Alien was one of the my earlier DVDs and I still remember watching it with Ridley Scott's commentary. During the space jokey scene he was theorizing about who the SJ may have been and why he was there,etc. .. and I thought what an interesting movie this guy's backstory could make. Little did I know that a few years later, that thought in Ridley's head would give us that glossy turd of a movie called "Prometheus". Today, I'm fairly convinced that the first big mistake in the franchise was to expand the mythology and backstory of the Alien. We don't need any of that shit ... in fact: Part of the reason why Alien works so well, is that the creature is so mysterious and, well, alien to us. Not everything needs a backstory.
The problem is that Ridley Scott is an excellent director when it comes to visuals, but plots and concepts? Not so much; this is the guy who, after all, insists that Deckard has to be a replicant when it makes *so* much more sense for the plot and themes of Blade Runner that Deckard is a human who has lost and has to regain his humanity while Batty is a replicant that has found humanity but cannot retain it.
6:29: "And then Ripley sneaks off into another room to put on a suit..." It's partially the phrasing, but that is a truly funny (and obviously perceptive) line.
The worst part about that Christmas light room where they talk to the computer is, if one of those lights goes out, the crew has to check them all out by hand.
ironically, phoenix's character in Gladiator was literally a back stabber. He stabs Russell Crowe in the back near his lung while he is chained up. Its the only reason he has the guts to fight Crowe because he knows he's weakened him.
yeah. this seemed totally in his character to me. he is a lil dick man with a lot to prove, and because he values approval through the arena audience, this ending made perfect sense.
Commodes in Gladiator is actually a very tragic character, not like the real Commodus. Gladiator Commodus is someone starved of love by his father with a desire to be loved by the people like a father, who tries to appease them with lavish games. The real Commodus has no interest in ruling and spent all his time fighting in rigged matches designed for him to win, not even the mob bought it. But the famine caused by him selling the grain reserves has long been thought to be a contributing factor in the fall of the western Empire.
Haha yeah, they act like he fought him straight up.. When he shanked him and put his armor on, totally like his character Plus, the real Commodus DID do that shit He had staged fights against guys with dull weapons who obviously let him win And wasted a shit ton of money on the colliseum That ending is great haha, even dying Maximus still kicks his ass Marcus Aurelius was a total conquerer not a sweet old Dumbledore though
As for the Gladiator comments.....Commodus was a real Roman emperor. He was really the son of Marcus Aurelius. He actually did fight in gladitorial combat (he always won....#rigged). However, he was not killed in any games. One of his wrestling partners was recruited by conspirators to assassinate him. He was strangled in his bath after a failed poisoning. There was liberty taken artistically to simply tell a more compelling story that wasn't mean to be historically accurate.
The fact people found Alien: Isolation suspenseful despite how much of a joke the xenomorph has become in the Alien movies gives me hope. It's still a beautiful cosmic horror creation, it just needs to be used well.
Coincidentally, I was just watching a clip of Kurt Vonnegut talking about Kilgore Trout writing about intelligent aliens who communicated by farts and tap dancing.
He exclusively fought against dwarves, amputees, and opponents with ead swords though. Never a fair fight so Rich is right that it doesn't make sense for his character to fight in that scene.
@@TheSekdu eh, given his character and how everything plays out, i could see his arrogance getting the best of him without it seeming shmultzy. Especially because of how unempowered he'd look if he turned down the fight. Also, when it isnt even clear he will lose but that it may be more than he can handle, he does start begging for the help of his peers.
Phoenix played an emperor named Commodus. In ancient Rome there was an emperor who fought rigged fights in the colosseum. That emperor was named Commodus.
Yeap He made all the other gladiators swords dulled so he wouldn’t get hurt. So he actually was a coward. However he wasn’t killed in the arena, he was murdered by narciuss I think in his own bath?
0:57 Wow Rich is always right. I remember reading some original lore from back when the original Alien came out and apparently one of the things about The Alien was it did have a civilization at one point, structures, math, culture, and art but when they are newborn they vicious and homicidal, so must be kept in some sort of stone temple in isolation with a cow-like creature that'd also provide enough meat for it to eat, when it comes out it'll be as civilized as everyone else. Something wiped them out and the space jockey's took their eggs to weaponize or study, not knowing these aliens true nature. As wild and as much as that Lore has been swept under, still interesting that it's almost tragic that the first contact with human and Alien was simply because of lack of understanding. And due to it's highly aggressive nature it'll likely never be truly understood because everyone would be shit scared and too busy running away or killing it to study it.
Rich needs to see the Final Cut of Bladerunner in a theater, I didn't care for it either the first time I saw the directors cut on dvd, saw the final cut in a theater and it became my favorite movie;)
It took me longer than I like to admit to realize the title card loops for the duration of this video, and they didn't talk about *all* this during the opening credits!
The ending of Gladiator is perfectly setup throughout, it's completely in character he would do that, narratively it's the obvious and earned conclusion and he mortally wounds Gladiator Man before getting in the arena with him. This is what happens when one hack has seen the movie once a decade ago, one schill has dementia and one fraud has crippling diabetes.
Alien opera singers! They sing the tenor parts with the big mouth, and the soprano parts with the little extend-o-mouth..! And like the bagpipes, they generate harmonic overtones through the big tubes coming out of their backs, which are connected directly to their lungs...! It's perfect!
For similarities, they forgot running through blowing steam just before everything explodes. "Why did you open the f%^% doooooooorr..." "Sorry in space I can't hear you yell."
Fun fact, in one of the alien comics there was a composer that volunteered to get facehugged so he could make a xenomorph orchestra to attract tourism. It doesn't go well.
Ridley Scott is a cinematic genius and knows how to set a shot, and a tone, and get the most of a musical score... ...but I question his seemingly blind respect for every screenwriter he agrees to works with, and the producers he’s given. It’s like he refuses to question their decisions and just keeps the camera rolling.
From Ripley’s perspective she’s having one long bad fucking string of days because every movie she wakes up from a hypersleep and has to fight off the alien or aliens, no fuckin breaks either...poor Ripley
After Alien, my favorite story in the franchise/universe/lore is the one from Dark Horse Comics where a dude gets captured inside a dying alien nest, and everything he has to ensure until his escape.
I wonder if he could've made a Sequel Trilogy that repeats a lot of similar beats of the OT, but manages to make it work well on its own like Aliens and T2.
I saw AVP Requiem and all I remember is there is a Predator Alien killing people in a dark hospital at some point, it takes place in a small midwestern town, and it sucked shit. I think my mind blocked it out so as not to despoil the good parts of the respective franchises.
Next you're doing a re:view of Gladiator right? Btw, the Emperor was depicted practicing with a gladius in the movie, just a bit, like you should think he's like a hot headed semi skilled swordsman. In real life he was present in the Marcomannic Wars. He did however war much less than his father before him.
It's weird how wrong these guys are when they get it wrong: Commadus is in a scene showing how he's buff as hell and sword sparring with three soldiers. He's also crazy and has a bruised ego so he tries to dispatch his rival Maximus in public.
From the Alien’s perspective, this is “Die Hard.”
Hahaha it really is
Imagine the Alien stating in Bruce Willis’ voice “Ho ho ho, now I have a Captain.”
Yippee-ki-yay, mother-fleshbags!
''Come out of the chest! Eat a few crewman! Have a few laughs"
@@gordondavis6168 truly a refreshing rlm comment. not the usual repetitive memes rlm fan's spout off in the comment section of each new video.
I can't tell if Jay's "Ripley Scott's Alien" is a joke or he just had a brain fart.
Beer
Ridley, Ripley, it's an excusable mistake.
maybe it's a joke that the "star" of the movie is named after him.
0:40
When in doubt: soft reboot
"Who's the guy with the big ugly face?"
"Oh, Ron Perlman."
Killed me
Poor Ron :-( But yeah, that shit thoroughly slayed me.
"Yeah, I know I'm ugly!"
Come on, we all thought it. Though I love Ron Perlman.
@@GramLikesBread Oh me too, hes one of favorite VA's and actors in general
"Big ugly CLAYface"
Star Trek reference after just 0:24 seconds may be a record.
They're doing a commentary on a movie that takes place on a single spaceship. I'm surprised Mike lasted 24 seconds.
Jay: “I don’t like Blade Runner.”
*Silence*
Jay: “I don’t like Gladiator.”
Mike: WAAT
To be honest, what most people remember about that movie is Rutger Hauer's performance and the amazing production design. Strip that away and your left with a noir-style detective story with no central mystery.
The sequel is the superior film. By a long margin.
@@CatNerfer3000 The kool aid man scene? What the fuck are you talking about?
@@CatNerfer3000 Wow :I
The original isn't even that original, it was adapted from the Philip K. Dick novel and otherwise heavily inspired by Noir films
@@CatNerfer3000 ... I don't even know what to say to that
@@CatNerfer3000 That wasn't rhetoric, it was genuine confusion and bewilderment.
Whatever.
If you think, BR 2049 is dog shit, then good for you, I'm not gonna reply anympre, nobody ever changes their opinion because of an internet argument
Fun fact, it was EXACTLY that emperor who fought in the gladiator arenas, and just like his movie counterpart, he was not a battle hardened conquer, but a smarmy and spoiled brat.
It's true that Commodus staged gladiator fights (starring himself), but according to the histories, he was murdered while in the bathtub (or his bed depending who you believe).
NANI?
I came here to say this. Thank you.
@@desmondd1984 maybe he slept in the bath
yup gladiator is a truly great film, and the ending does not kill it, the ending is very great as well
The Roman emperor who wanted to be a gladiator was Commodus. He set up all kinds of ridiculous combat scenarios where he always won.
"Citizens of Rome missing their feet through accident or illness were taken to the arena, where they were tethered together for Commodus to club to death while pretending they were giants."
Is that where the scientific name for "the shitter" came from?
@@pretorious700
Lol yes. Commodus means like "agreeable" or "easy" in Latin. The word "commode" is descended from it.
When you think about it, a planet is just a really big space ship.
Sephiroth plz...
That's why it's called Spaceship Earth I believe
SHUTCHYOBITCHMOUTH
@Stellvia Hoenheimname?
what?
0:52 that's literally what Dan O'Bannon originally intended for the alien. The alien race was originally this advanced civilisation, but they're children were born wild with a ravenous desire to feed, so what the adults did was lower cattle into the pits with the eggs, the facehugger would latch onto the animal, then be birthed. The adults would keep the infant in the pit until it's urges stopped, then the adults would raise it. Unfortunately, the civilisation collapsed and all the adults died, leaving the infants without anyone to raise them, and this is where the crew of the Nostromo find them.
Holy shit that sounds so good
way better story idea than prometheus.
You're an idiot.
Steven O'Brien No need for that here
@@Ammoniumbicarbonat how else will the idiots learn?
0:10 “we’re watching _Ripley_ Scott’s film, *Alien”*
Are we, Jay? Are we?
Rich: The emperor Commodus was based on wasn’t a fighter, he was a backstabber.
Commodus: **literally stabs Maximus in the back**
Yeah the portrayal wasn't bad. Commodus loved the games and almost bankrupted Rome putting them on, had inferiority complexes, did participate in the games but only because he rigged them so he would be in no danger and would always win (and he does this in Gladiator, but because it is a Hollywood movie he has to lose).
And Commodus *was* the crazy Emperor who used to compete in the arena. Mainly fighting animals, admittedly.
@@danielkellyuk And disabled people.
Yes, Rich was incorrect about that.
I just watched this film for a first time in 15 years and one thing i really liked is when they controlled the ship or computers it really felt like a prosecure. Nowdays in movies you just press one button on a holographic screen and thats it, its in the details...
Thank you! I just watched Face/Off yesterday and I thought that the computer's/User interfaces (maybe even the overall production design) looked so bland and dated and I immediately thought of movies like Alien and others, were technology and procedures that are presented still seem timeless.
*procedure
that's due to each piece being handcrafted by different departments Who worked seperate from Giger to give It a distinct-feel.
7:19
"Who's the guy with the bug ugly face?"
"Oh, Ron Pearlman!"
HAAAAHAHAHAHAH!
If you make the orange juice magnetic, the glass doesn't need to be.
500 IQ
that would cause space cancer
Then you'd have to go to the space doctor and get space cancer treatment!
I have to defend Gladiator for a bit here, at the beginning of the movie they show Joaquin Phoenix as being a very competent fighter, possibly even overconfident in his ability. Hes also shown as being desperate for attention and love, so there was no way he would back out from such a public challenge, not when Maximus was once again taking it from him. Everything we know about him points to him taking the bait, especially knowing he can (and does) cheat.
Well said and very true.
Yeah, of all the issues of historicity Rich would have with Gladiator, I find it strange that an already historically neurotic emperor acting insane was what did it for him.
yeah. this seemed totally in his character to me. he is a lil dick man with a lot to prove, and because he values approval through the arena audience, this ending made perfect sense.
Except, that while the best gladiators we know of had no more than 20 victories, Commodus did fight in the arena and had over 300 victories--in other words, they were all staged. Also, There was no such person as the character played by that antipodean lout whose name escapes me for the moment, and the idea of restoring the Republic in the mid-second century is not even school boy level stupidity. In other words, though some research was done, i'll grant you, on recreating the arena, the film is absolutely historically illiterate. Also, there is no way a man standing in the Imperial box could have made himself heard by even a tiny fraction of the audience--they had a billboard on which the emperor would paint messages.
@@helenaconstantine How is any of that relevant to the argument? It's like you just said "Supermans powers don't obey the laws of physics, therefore he shouldn't have killed Zod", I'm not following your logic.
Jones the cat, my favourite. He made it and lives a long healthy live.
I'm glad Ripley and Jonesy were buddies and that she saved him. Too many movies make cats into assholes and kill them off because people care more whether or not dogs die in movies.
He’s technically over 57 years old, plus other time spent in and out of hypersleep. Not bad for a kitty cat.
Jonesy*
@@garethross8890 cats suck
There is even an spin of Comic of Jonesy called "Jonesy nine lives on the Nostromo"
Rich Evan's laugh is mana from heaven
You know, as much as I appreciate Mike's focus on plot points and story structure, as it can be very enlightening, especially in some of his Star Trek best episodes reviews, I think they've blinded him a bit from the differences between Alien and Aliens. Because while there are many mirrored plot elements (to greater and lesser extent, I think some of the similarities he mentioned were used to such different effect in the two that they shouldn't be compared), the themes, atmosphere and tone are so different that I don't think it's fair to call them the same movie at all. Alien doesn't have a clear protagonist until the end, whereas Aliens is all about Ripley's mental state and her journey. For its theme, at best Alien has a lot more sexually suggestive undertones that are very subtle, whereas Aliens is a lot more obvious with its theme of motherhood, for instance. The creepy computer/android stuff is pretty subtle in Alien, whereas the corrupt corporate guy is pretty obvious in Aliens. The culture of the crew in the Nostromo vs. that of the marines also feels very different and Ripley has a different relationship with both crews in the movies. Heck, in the Aliens she actually has to prove herself to them, which fits more in with her character arc, whereas Alien she's just a part of the crew. That's not even mentioning the way the aliens themselves are treated differently in the two movies because of the different equipment available to each crew. I know of at least one person who kind of hates Aliens because they are so much less powerful-seeming in it.
Sure, there are lots of similarities, but I think it's too simplistic of a statement to say that they're the same movie. If structure is very important to you, as it obviously is to Mike, and you don't like how many plot points echo each other, fair enough. I just think "same movie" is an overreach.
Mike's explanation of Aliens being a remake of Alien is pure genius!
Mark Keogh except it’s not, because a lot of it hinges on the directors cut and not the theatrical release
@@iksarguards Yes, the director's cut which is the version truist to the original vision. So i don't know what youre talking about
@Derek McCumber I like the scene where we see that the alien has been turning people into eggs. It's way more, well, Alien than them having a queen bee and suggests the xenomorph has an ability to break down and rearrange organic matter, at least in this specific way, and while your conscious,which is very unsettling.
@@jasonfenton8250 in the DC version ... i like how after Brett is killed, we see ripley and parker run into the room and jussssst miss all the action. because in the theatrical you see Brett get killed.... the cat stare at the carnage... then it just cuts to everyone at the table and parker going "man it was big... big as a man.. it was huge!" ... i always felt like how did he see it? where did he see it??
The best part is them theorizing about Alien civilization, ballet and office buildings..
Which is a parallel to the AVP commentary where they talk about predators actually wearing monocles and top hats, and just put on monster costumes for their hunting trips hahaha
2:00 Mike's semi-irritated "What?" gets me every time. Like he was actually getting drawn into the scene and was subtly saying it in that tone as a way of going "Shut up about dumbass Alien vs. Predator."
Back of the box description for Alien - "You won't believe the crazy switcharoos in this futuristic bug hunt!"
A movie of An Alien with the inner dialog of Mike would be gold!
An alien that just roams the space ship, finding props that were reused from Star Trek and complains about it.
Alien was one of the my earlier DVDs and I still remember watching it with Ridley Scott's commentary. During the space jokey scene he was theorizing about who the SJ may have been and why he was there,etc. .. and I thought what an interesting movie this guy's backstory could make. Little did I know that a few years later, that thought in Ridley's head would give us that glossy turd of a movie called "Prometheus".
Today, I'm fairly convinced that the first big mistake in the franchise was to expand the mythology and backstory of the Alien. We don't need any of that shit ... in fact: Part of the reason why Alien works so well, is that the creature is so mysterious and, well, alien to us.
Not everything needs a backstory.
Alien was the first dvd I got, and I also remember watching it with the commentary (which was exciting at the time).
The problem is that Ridley Scott is an excellent director when it comes to visuals, but plots and concepts? Not so much; this is the guy who, after all, insists that Deckard has to be a replicant when it makes *so* much more sense for the plot and themes of Blade Runner that Deckard is a human who has lost and has to regain his humanity while Batty is a replicant that has found humanity but cannot retain it.
"There's Rich as a baby..." lolz
6:29: "And then Ripley sneaks off into another room to put on a suit..."
It's partially the phrasing, but that is a truly funny (and obviously perceptive) line.
-“But how do you count the Alien vs Predator movies?”
-“You just don’t”
The worst part about that Christmas light room where they talk to the computer is, if one of those lights goes out, the crew has to check them all out by hand.
ironically, phoenix's character in Gladiator was literally a back stabber. He stabs Russell Crowe in the back near his lung while he is chained up. Its the only reason he has the guts to fight Crowe because he knows he's weakened him.
yeah. this seemed totally in his character to me. he is a lil dick man with a lot to prove, and because he values approval through the arena audience, this ending made perfect sense.
Commodes in Gladiator is actually a very tragic character, not like the real Commodus. Gladiator Commodus is someone starved of love by his father with a desire to be loved by the people like a father, who tries to appease them with lavish games. The real Commodus has no interest in ruling and spent all his time fighting in rigged matches designed for him to win, not even the mob bought it. But the famine caused by him selling the grain reserves has long been thought to be a contributing factor in the fall of the western Empire.
Haha yeah, they act like he fought him straight up..
When he shanked him and put his armor on, totally like his character
Plus, the real Commodus DID do that shit
He had staged fights against guys with dull weapons who obviously let him win
And wasted a shit ton of money on the colliseum
That ending is great haha, even dying Maximus still kicks his ass
Marcus Aurelius was a total conquerer not a sweet old Dumbledore though
Aurelius was also incredibly intelligent and a scholar. It’s not his fault he just love killing and conquering.
The real Commodus DID fight in the coliseum too
As for the Gladiator comments.....Commodus was a real Roman emperor. He was really the son of Marcus Aurelius. He actually did fight in gladitorial combat (he always won....#rigged). However, he was not killed in any games. One of his wrestling partners was recruited by conspirators to assassinate him. He was strangled in his bath after a failed poisoning. There was liberty taken artistically to simply tell a more compelling story that wasn't mean to be historically accurate.
Also, I doubt anyone would want to watch naked Crowe choke nude Joker to death in a sweaty Roman bath
I’d watch that
@@marc1732 Yeah, and shot with 1000 rounds until his head was jelly. I saw the footage the troops brought back, it definitely happened.
Aliens, despite being amazing, does take the complex and mysterious nature of the xenomorph and turns them into basically ants
Yeah, the fact that 1 alien was horrifying really gets amplified when you find out their supposed to be part of, and work as, a macro colony.
Didn't Aliens borrow rather directly from the 1954 film Them! which is about killer ants?
Assiman it sounds right lol
@@Assimandeli well since Them! is based on ants and Aliens is also vaguely based on ants it was probably more like parallel thinking.
The fact people found Alien: Isolation suspenseful despite how much of a joke the xenomorph has become in the Alien movies gives me hope. It's still a beautiful cosmic horror creation, it just needs to be used well.
RIP Yaphet Kotto 😔
Coincidentally, I was just watching a clip of Kurt Vonnegut talking about Kilgore Trout writing about intelligent aliens who communicated by farts and tap dancing.
Commodus did fight like a gladiator Rich you fraud
However Emperor Commodus wasn't Marcus Aurelius's son or direct successor.
Blair Buskirk uhh Wikipedia’s disagreeing with you big dawg
He exclusively fought against dwarves, amputees, and opponents with ead swords though. Never a fair fight so Rich is right that it doesn't make sense for his character to fight in that scene.
Blair Buskirk, Marcus Aurelius’ son was Commodus.
@@TheSekdu eh, given his character and how everything plays out, i could see his arrogance getting the best of him without it seeming shmultzy. Especially because of how unempowered he'd look if he turned down the fight. Also, when it isnt even clear he will lose but that it may be more than he can handle, he does start begging for the help of his peers.
I can't believe my brain immediately went to alien ballet right before he said it.
Phoenix played an emperor named Commodus. In ancient Rome there was an emperor who fought rigged fights in the colosseum. That emperor was named Commodus.
Coincidence? 🤔
Yeap He made all the other gladiators swords dulled so he wouldn’t get hurt. So he actually was a coward. However he wasn’t killed in the arena, he was murdered by narciuss I think in his own bath?
Mike's Alien voice sounds like Tom Waits
oh god your right!!!
Finally! I can go to sleep! Wake me up when they do a new one!
Davidinopeople *Play’s wake me up when September ends.*
This is by far the best Jay and Silent Bob commentary I’ve heard so far!
Aliens is a masterpiece.
0:57 Wow Rich is always right. I remember reading some original lore from back when the original Alien came out and apparently one of the things about The Alien was it did have a civilization at one point, structures, math, culture, and art but when they are newborn they vicious and homicidal, so must be kept in some sort of stone temple in isolation with a cow-like creature that'd also provide enough meat for it to eat, when it comes out it'll be as civilized as everyone else.
Something wiped them out and the space jockey's took their eggs to weaponize or study, not knowing these aliens true nature.
As wild and as much as that Lore has been swept under, still interesting that it's almost tragic that the first contact with human and Alien was simply because of lack of understanding. And due to it's highly aggressive nature it'll likely never be truly understood because everyone would be shit scared and too busy running away or killing it to study it.
That was an early concept, and I do wonder what would've become of those movies if they'd gone through with that planned lore.
Man this channel is so amazing thanks for taking your time to do this for the rest of us RLM fans
I love how Mike found a way to bring up Star Trek almost immediately
I love listening to the commentary ^w^ these guys are so funny
Rich needs to see the Final Cut of Bladerunner in a theater, I didn't care for it either the first time I saw the directors cut on dvd, saw the final cut in a theater and it became my favorite movie;)
Alien commentary track that goes on about Gladiator and Robin Hood lol
He wasn't an android, he was just really really gay. I died 😂🤣
Ironically that was the guy who fought in the gladiator fights! Same Roman Emperor
It took me longer than I like to admit to realize the title card loops for the duration of this video, and they didn't talk about *all* this during the opening credits!
The ending of Gladiator is perfectly setup throughout, it's completely in character he would do that, narratively it's the obvious and earned conclusion and he mortally wounds Gladiator Man before getting in the arena with him. This is what happens when one hack has seen the movie once a decade ago, one schill has dementia and one fraud has crippling diabetes.
Seriously, I understood this when I was 12 years old the first time I watched it.
8:09 new message sound FX
Alien opera singers! They sing the tenor parts with the big mouth, and the soprano parts with the little extend-o-mouth..! And like the bagpipes, they generate harmonic overtones through the big tubes coming out of their backs, which are connected directly to their lungs...! It's perfect!
I really appreciate how they gave Mike a bunch of painkillers before recording this
This is the best commentary on every movie besides the one its about.
The cat is the only one who lives...🤣🤣🤣 I'm dead!!! LMFAO!!! 🤣🤣
I remember "How It Should Have Ended" used that "Ripley accidentally sucks everybody into space" ending
I love this one
"What if theyre highly intelligent on their planet"
That was literally the original idea! You're a wizard.
Ridley Scott also did American Gangster. It's been awhile since I've seen it, but I remember enjoying it the first time I watched it.
1:30 The chemistry between these guys is unparalleled.
8:45 He wasn't a back-stabber... he was a side-stabber...
What RLM calls 'Alien wants a hug' scene I always just think 'JAZZ HANDS' or 'MAMMY' - which was probably from Rifftrax...
The fart joke legitimately made me laugh.
Commodus was the Emperor who fought in gladiator fights. They were against injured people with inferior equipment, amputees, or even little people.
I was sold the moment Mike said "Rich in space" (0:32). That's a concept I can get behind.
Omg thank you
Very cute giggle from Rich at 2:40
For similarities, they forgot running through blowing steam just before everything explodes. "Why did you open the f%^% doooooooorr..." "Sorry in space I can't hear you yell."
Aliens is in my top 5 fav films. This though was hilarious.
Guys, I think you can include the Duelists on the list of good Ridley's movies
you and I are the only two people who have seen it
I love that movie!
‘You are under arrest - for dueling - you ape!’
“I wish my head wasn’t so big”
That made me lol.
The only reason he's able to fathom the impracticality of his own biological design is BECAUSE his head/brain is so big.
Mike: "Who's the guy with like, the big ugly face?"
Jay: "Ron Perlman?"
Mike: "Oh yeah, Ron Perlman." LMAO
7:40 Jay has a bit of a southern accent
He has a little of native american inside of him
@@sansnom5269 only on weekends at the Manhole
Fun fact, in one of the alien comics there was a composer that volunteered to get facehugged so he could make a xenomorph orchestra to attract tourism. It doesn't go well.
Ridley Scott is a cinematic genius and knows how to set a shot, and a tone, and get the most of a musical score...
...but I question his seemingly blind respect for every screenwriter he agrees to works with, and the producers he’s given. It’s like he refuses to question their decisions and just keeps the camera rolling.
Freemasonry.
12:35 are we entirely sure that that cat isn't the same cat from Captain Marvel tho?
From Ripley’s perspective she’s having one long bad fucking string of days because every movie she wakes up from a hypersleep and has to fight off the alien or aliens, no fuckin breaks either...poor Ripley
That is condensation - that's one of the struts for the legs - it's water vapour from LV-426.
Aliens: shares themes with its parent movie
Mike: these films are identical
After Alien, my favorite story in the franchise/universe/lore is the one from Dark Horse Comics where a dude gets captured inside a dying alien nest, and everything he has to ensure until his escape.
James Cameron is the master of repeating movies as sequels and making them awesome.
Terminator and T2, are essentially the same movies too.
I wonder if he could've made a Sequel Trilogy that repeats a lot of similar beats of the OT, but manages to make it work well on its own like Aliens and T2.
Jay not liking Blade Runner is the biggest surprise
You know what... If anybody is up to the challenge of doing movie riffs ala MST3K, it's these guys.
I always find it weird that Mike pronounces "Engine" as "Injin".
I saw AVP Requiem and all I remember is there is a Predator Alien killing people in a dark hospital at some point, it takes place in a small midwestern town, and it sucked shit. I think my mind blocked it out so as not to despoil the good parts of the respective franchises.
7:25… just wow! So good!
Commodus did indeed fight in the coliseum, his fights were fixed, of course.
Next you're doing a re:view of Gladiator right? Btw, the Emperor was depicted practicing with a gladius in the movie, just a bit, like you should think he's like a hot headed semi skilled swordsman. In real life he was present in the Marcomannic Wars. He did however war much less than his father before him.
Ron is freaking awesome
Aliens Vs. Gremlins! This should happen!!
That Sir Robin of Loxley movie fucking rules
Maybe its a big ass room? Some aircraft hangers are big enough for condensation to start falling from the rafters.
More of these please. Also more of allyour other videos too. Htfu. Godamit. Im serious
5:20 Can we say that Bishop subverted Weyland-Yutani's expectations?
It actually was Commodus that fought in the Coliseum.
Agree with Mike. The Ridley Robin Hood wasn't bad!
or if the queen had have stepped out of the drop ship when they got back to the sulaco and bishop says "you never should have trusted me"
It's weird how wrong these guys are when they get it wrong: Commadus is in a scene showing how he's buff as hell and sword sparring with three soldiers. He's also crazy and has a bruised ego so he tries to dispatch his rival Maximus in public.
Commodus did fight in the arena as a gladiator... He always won since his opponents always had wooden swords
6:36 Rich secretly trying to boost his singing career at the end of his laugh
in both movies, Ripley sneaks off to secretly put on a "suit" LOL