The State of Guilty Gear Strive in 2022.
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
- Even after Baiken and the Combo Maker was released, it seems like this game can never catch a break when it comes to heated discussions online. We're gonna take a step back and talk about the state of Guilty Gear Strive going into 2022, why people still seem to "hate" it, and what could be done to make people happy with this game. Come sit down and let's talk.
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Arc System Works (Arcsys) has recently made Guilty Gear Strive, the latest entry in the Guilty Gear franchise! This fighting game is heralded for its use of Rollback Netcode, included on all platforms Playstation 4 (PS4), Playstation 5 (PS5), and PC (Steam). Recently Arcsys has released it's latest season pass character, Baiken, alongside a brand new combo maker tool!
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i would also really like the replay system from GGAC+R. being able to hop into a replay and test out block strings and interactions would be so much better than setting it up in training mode. especially if its against hard to use characters like Zato, Happy Chaos, Jacko, etc.
Every game should have it, it's such a great tool
Only way to learn defense against aba lol
Yeeeeees please also a way to go straight from a match to the replay of the match would be legendary in combination
i think it's nearing the point of significant diminishing returns in proportion to the amount of work needed to be done to implement such advanced training tools. combo maker and easy recording in training is good enough for a lot of people.
@@billyerasmo8194 damn I felt this comment 😭.
I work at an insurance company as a developer on their multiple platforms, the rushed comment and the one after that couldn't be more accurate.
Usually, as a developer you need to assess a lot of things, to make plans, a roadmap to follow, etc. But the commercial department makes miraculous promises to the clients, and that means that you're gonna take shortcuts, _a lot of shortcuts_ , to make things work in the time the commercial department promised to the client.
Then, of course, _things will look and work like they were rushed_ : "oh but this part isn't working", "this one doesn't look like we wanted", "are the servers down? i'm not getting any response". And as a developer you have to do the equivalent of fueling a jet mid air, which is possible and has been done, but both jets are on fire, and the fuel is on fire, and everything is on fire because you're under a hell of pressure because the commercial department doesn't care about things working for neither the client or the developers, they just want to seal the deal and take the money as fast as possible.
It sounds like building a plane while flying it is something to consider i like what they have done.
Well said and I hope soon they slow down the speed and focus on the quality
@@Kizzie_Kay for real been waiting on slayer but I agree more system mechanics is what we really need
Man the talk about floors is so real, I can't count how many times I've bounced between 9 and 10. Go up to 10, get 0-3'd by a lvl 3000 player that just dropped out of celestial and go back down again, I've just come to accept that betwen 8-10 I can expect the same level of competition (and randomness)
Same bro same
I got up to celestial then lost 0/3 - went down to 9, lost another 0/3, then went down to 8. Then I just dominated floor 8 for like 6 games and went up to 9
They need to keep people in their respective floors for longer instead of bouncing people.
@@Cressx I've lost count of the times I've gone from Celestial challenge down to 9. Too good for 9, whereas 10 is a complete crapshoot...I either have decent competition or I get rolled by some one who got exiled from celestial
Completely understandable
brooo holy shit like i'm not bragging but i can easily get above floor 8 or 9 but I get kicked by those who are really fuicking good at 10 and i keep going back and forth between 8 9 10 it's frustrating
i honestly feel like the ranking system also feels better if we floor up per set instead of single matches
About the Tower System: in other regions, lobbies outside of floor 10 have few to none players, meaning that even if you're at a lower floor sometimes you will have to go to floor 10 to get some matches. I don't think that adding more floors will fix the skill disparity in those regions, but also won't hurt as much.
Edit: oh someone actually said this in the vid but ok. Also please bring Answer back with the jabs.
Lmao hahaha the edit part is so good
I agree with both of these lmao
Regarding tower, this really resonates cause I have to play in a region that isn't mine just to play on closer floors to me. America West Coast isn't as popular as America East Coast so I find myself having to always try and shuffle between servers to find people to fight or I have to just go on floor 9 or 10 when I'm only floor 8 (it feels like over half the playerbase is floor 9+ cause of it, and even moreso when you check park), and honestly I don't know how fighting people of higher floors affects your ability to rank up cause istg when I fight people on the same floor as me it only takes like 4 wins in a row to rank up, but when I'm on a floor that isn't mine it takes like 7 or 8 in a row... Like what?
@@syundown6005 Soooo true! I'm at floor 8 rn and I always have to fight in floor 10 because most of the time it's the only floor there's people playing in my region and it takes me ages to rank up, just to get demoted in 5-6 matches. Another thing I've noticed is that you get less exp fighting against them. The grinding don't stop tho, we will make it there eventually
in all fariness, if you go to any floor, e queue in training... then you literally have a SFV experience
Big agree on this. Adding more floors doesn't fix the issue, it just moves all of the floor 10 people to floor 12 and makes it seem scarier for new players because there are even more deserted floors.
Adding more floors + putting new restrictions on those floors is a different story though. i.e. easier to de-rank from 11 to 10 than from 10 to 9 or putting a mini-celestial challenge where you have to win maybe 4/6 against someone on floor 11 to get there.
I wish they would change the Gatling system. I was new to fighting games, and strive was my first actual game. Now that I’ve played some older games, it feels a little constricting.
Park needs a giant screen in that stage area where you can spectate whoever is on the battle station there. Kind of like a primetime match type of vibe.
That’s a sick idea
Just imagine
That's a lot of info to be streaming... but making it a toggle should circumvent that
That's actually amazing
@@qlasalle hypothetically should it just be the same amount as if you were in that match (two people's inputs, only this time your computer recieves both instead of sending one and receiving one)
I saw Damascus on twitter talking about the floor 10.5 problem and it’s a real struggle. Having to beat 3 dudes just to get a loading screen and 2 matches with someone triple your playtime and get another loading screen makes it real hard to wanna keep playing
This too real lol
Preach!
Combo Recipes are a great addition. BUT WE NEED SAVE/REPLAY STATE FOR TRAINING MODE! Doing the entire combo everytime to practise oki setups is tidious af.
And give every char +100 hp
I agree with alot of what Kizzie said. He seems to have a pretty good idea of what the intent and reality of the industry is, as well as the perspective of a casual and tournament player. Dude knows what's healthy for the game.
We try to bring all the bridges together 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
I really love this conversation because it’s mostly involves people that actually play and like the game and want it to be even better .. i just hope arcsys listens 🙏
I'm praying for it strive has reignited fighting games for me that netcode is amazing
Likewise!!!
@@Kizzie_Kay keep dropping these vids is mad inspiring good conversation to have.
@@maskoftiers77788 will do
I wouldn't have an issue with the damage if it wasn't compounded by risk gauge and the lack of good punishes. Some characters make you explode but you only get a tiny bit of damage if you successfully challenge the pressure.
Playing Millia is like "I can punish that with Kapel/S Disc! Oh wait that doesn't mean shit."
well that's balance in this game, millia, chipp, i-no literally gotta do death a milhion cuts because of all options they have
@@welcometovalhalla2884 Homie wait why on earth aren't you just punishing with 2k2d into win condition
@@sylascole5254 I am. And that is fairly strong when you're in the position to use them, but there are many buttons that people throw against Millia where those special moves are the only real answer. S Disc tends to work against moves that reach farther than Millia's normals and that people tend to spam. Think about something like Nagoriyuki's 2S or Ky's 5S. Kapel is obviously used in different situations from 2k, it's for air whiff punishes and movement. It's pretty consistent at hitting people out of their moves, but it's also consistent at not reaulting in anything because people can get hit 10 times by it practically free of consequence. On the other hand Millia getting counter hit anti aired once is just game over against some characters.
If I'm being real S disc is fine as it is, even if it also rarely results in anything. Kapel is more frustrating.
I guess the other comment was more about punishing people who try to reset their pressure, though, so this was all a bit off topic. Millia plays a slightly different risk/reward game than other characters there. 2k2d is very good, but against some characters the risk is significantly higher than the reward, since getting counter hit like that probably means death for her, while 50/50s are escapable (more so if you get many chances to block them, or if your dp limits Millia's mix options). But unlike most characters she has a fairly safe escape option, I try to FD and then super jump out of those situations most of the time. It's not particularly rewarding, but not very risky either. I feel like Anji players are the only ones who deal well with that and I'm not worried about Anji players because they basically don't exist.
@@welcometovalhalla2884 If your issue is people staggering buttons and you're looking to abare, then you should just use 5k yeah? You can hit confirm like 3 5ks after a dash anyways. I'm not sure what your issue is, cause what you're describing with Nago and Ky isn't a "my whiff punish is weak" issue, its a "that button is very strong" issue imo. The characters that get strong punishment into stable or good oki off of those buttons are more uncommon than common, so I really wouldn't mark 2k2d or 2k in general as the weak button. Plenty of games have whiff traps and spacing setups, and whiffing tip range 2s by Nago is no different imo. I wouldn't be looking to whiff punish but rather iad or something in that vein on read against those if you're feeling risky, or abusing more millia movement until you get a better whiff if you're not.
Her design simply might not mesh well with strive, as far as having a strong neutral and looping oki because the 'good' neutral thing of taking ground safely and moving your opponent into the corner doesn't seem to benefit her as much as other characters, particularly cause of wall break. If all of her buttons converted into her win condition, she would be more annoying to fight than she already is.
Yeah the floor 10 vs celestial conversation hits home.
I'm pretty much perma floor 10 but get twerked on so hard when I challenge celestial. The range in skill of celestial is so wide
Lmao! "Twerked on"? 🤣🤣🤣 that's funny
The matchmaking process for this game drives me crazy. There are too many times where i hop into the game excited to play then have to sit through the horrible lobby sometimes up to 5-10 minutes just to get and it kills my drive to play the game. Sometimes the station I’m at gets bugged out and doesn’t let anyone accept matches. Sometimes it does that weird countdown thing before telling me the matchmaking has stopped. Sometimes i have to bounce from station to station until one finally lets me ready up. Its a mess. I didn’t realize how big of difference a solid matchmaking experience can be with overall enjoyment of the game.
I think they should add a floor or two between Celestial and 10, personally. I hear a lotta people echoing that the range of skill levels in Celestial is too wide, cuz you absolutely will have people who got boosted to Heaven and play like freaks, then you got people who will read your every action and schmove on you like a robot. Make another zoo for the strongest gorillas is all I'm sayin
I think they should uh, make a real Guilty Gear game instead of this corporate, greedy, lame ass, generic, typical, dime a dozen game that's trying to rob your wallet and pretend "Durrr, depth!" I want to line each person who thinks Strive is an interesting game and slap all of you one by one so hard, your jaw breaks, just cause of how much of a migraine you people give me when you act like this trash ass game is more than what it is.
The fact that we have to beg to get simple quality of life changes from Japanese devs is wild to think about. When it comes to quality of life in gaming Western devs Vs Japanese devs is a 10-0 match up.
The tower has a huge problem at the lower floors in my opinion. There are very few players between 1-6 so people that are new or not so good at the game have to go to floor 7 to fight people are at a higher skill level than them. I'm pretty sure that if they are losing repeatedly it can be really demotivating to continue playing ranked
Kizzie my favourite person to discuss these topics. Bro, I played strive online competitively since the start. Won about 3 local tournaments and placed top 8 in others but in all honesty I can't play this game anymore. The balance is pretty bad and the game is mentally exhausting. I was praying for a update patch when baiken dropped and when it didnt happen I just lost all hope. The damage is so high that every match up is a two touch and some 1.5, in todays generation where everyone shares tech its just not a good design for the game. Im probably done for good unless i see something drastic change.
The five things I really want by far in strive are:
- Instant kills, I don't even want them because they are competitive, but because they are fun and over the top.
-frame data and an easier way to spectate matches that have already started in a lobby;
-make it so different characters have different floors, maybe set a minimum of 2-3 floors under your best character but I always feel kinda bad picking someone new at floor 8-10.
- to add the GG xx Korean ost among the tracks I can choose in game, I love them and while I know there were some issues for the rights, I'd love for them to fit them in.
- More story content! At least I'd like to have some side stories that shine the light on some of the characters that didn't participate in the main story, like may, Faust, ramlethal, baiken and anji (I know anji is present, but he really has just two neat scenes and that's it).
I'm probably in the minority, because I don't necessarily want too many things for the gameplay (because I'm generally content now) but I think these changes would add quite a lot more to strive
I think for the floor system they should make 5 celestial floors, each with their own “win 5/6 games” requirement, so more floor ten players can move up, but it wouldnt crowd it due to all of the top players going even higher
I normally bounce from floor 9 through celestial challenge with my mains, and now around floor 8 through 10 after getting a hold of baiken. I can't really say I feel a difference in skill level between 8 and 9 but 10 is basically roulette with the "not yet celestials" . The periodic celestial refresh I imagine makes 10 unrealistic for most players
The celestial reset is a double edged sword because I gotta duck the towers, so I dont get bullied out of floor 10 as well
Strive has been my first game back into fighting games and my biggest problem with the it has to be the floor system and how disruptive rating updates are. Some days I can't even get out of floor 8 and others I'm in and out of celestial. I'd rather just see some sort of SBMM that takes care of all the rating updates in the background and automatically adjust when searching for your next opponent. That way I don't have to sit in some stupid room waiting for the 4 other people in the lobby to finish fighting so maybe one of them lets me fight.
Yeah this is my problem too like when you go up or down a floor that extra 30 or 40 seconds waiting for another match is f****** annoying I know it doesn't seem like much but like when you're grinding having to sit there and go through menu and wait super annoying.
The fact that mashing on the rating update screen still puts you in eternal purgatory this many months later is kinda disgraceful ngl. It’s crazy that they haven’t fixed the week one matchmaking problems.
Other than that though, I’m really loving how the game is working for me.
That celestial floor critique hits close to home. I play mostly on floor 10 and I have taken the celestial challenge a handful of times. I have won a single match in all of my celestial challenges. I get BODIED the second I walk in. The jump in skill from 10 to celestial hits hard.
What I would like to see in Season two is Budget, instant-kills, and maybe more moves for every character
YES!
New moves will be a really good shake up, some returning specials maybe, but mostly new ones
I literally just had a talk about being stuck between 10th floor and celestial frontier yesterday, it's good to hear someone else acknowledging the huge curve in fighting experience when advancing floors
I felt that bit about the floor system. My faust is stuck on floor 10 and I've been able go beat lvl 1000 zatos and nagos with my lvl 90 faust. Don't get me wrong , I know a lot of the celestial players are better then me , but the fact that I can still beat some of those players (sometimes even 3 0) and still get told by the ranking system I'm not worthy of celestial is kind of frustrating. It's always the same, steam roll whoever I play on floor 9. Then loose very close matches to players that have been knocked down from celestial, and then get sent back down to 9 . Over and over. I don't play on the floors very much, and to be honest I'm not really playing the game much because I've been getting ready to play elden ring by playing ds3 again
Bring back character select screens online. Or at least in player battle when you're hosting a room and playing with friends.
What I REALLY REALLY WANT is a pre-download cache option like what has recently been implemented into Warframe. And what I mean by that is the option to download all of the cache as a big one-time update which shortens the loading time so that we're not staring at "communicating with servers" for so long. It's good as an option rather than forcing on players too for those whose PCs aren't as capable. Warframe was a game that was infamous for large loading times (it is a huge game after all with very large levels) and this was probably one of the best additions they added to the game. I don't see why a much smaller fighting game with tiner by comparison level environments to load can't do the same.
legit, a ton of games do this, it should be commonplace, although pre-cache takes up ton of space, i think it's worth it, the game isn't ver large anyway
I think it's telling that a discussion about the state of Strive in general ends up being almost entirely about the lobby/tower system. Obviously we all want to see the matchmaking errors fixed, but I'd also love to see them figure out a way to have the matchmaking be more streamlined. Clearly they don't want to give up the lobby system, but it sucks that if I go to the tower and there's an odd number of players in the lobby, I have to wait for those matches to finish or someone to come into the lobby to get a match, meanwhile there are probably other people in a different lobby also waiting around for a match that won't get matched up with me because we weren't instanced into the same lobby.
Beyond that, I'm just hoping that they keep adding more complexity to the game the way they have with past iterations. Give characters more moves and more ways to use meter. Maybe bring back burst overdrives or EX specials that use 25 meter. And then tone down the damage just a bit so that we can see a bit more interaction. It kind of sucks losing a round off of two wrong decisions and feeling like you didn't learn anything.
Nailed it. I definitely agree with toning down the damage, because sometimes a match lasts less than 10 seconds and I've learnt nothing about the opponent lol
I think everyone has the same feeling about the damage but I was trying not to be a broken record about it. I too also would love the tone of damage
As someone who has never played a fighting game before this game is great and they really made it easy for new players to get into it.
I remember I played a match with someone who was trying to get into Celestial (5/6). I mopped the floor with him first match. 2nd and 3rd I let him win, I felt so bad.
The fact that some players feel more incentivized to just never attempt the celestial challenge and just live on floor 10 to avoid the headache that is Strive's lobby system, loading screens and rating updates feels like a major design flaw of the current system. And that's without even getting into the "floor 10.5" problem a lot of players struggle with.
It might be hard to implement, but I personally liked systems like Soulcalibur and Netherrealms games where they gave different items based on achievements.
It’s made in Unreal, so if the weapons are different assets, it should be easy enough to add different textures for achievements like amount of time played or amount of wins/matches with a character for different material or colored skins. Something to just incentivize playing and showing experience through time not just in gameplay but through character.
Strive 2022 wish list:
Ping indicator before a match
Adjustable input delay for online matches.
More Old songs even for characters that aren’t in the game
Crossplay
QOL system changes
Bo5 Ranked
More single player content and ways to earn in game currency
and Actually fixing the online servers and lobbies to be properly functionable
Its funny because when the game first came out, they said they were working on crossplay
U forgot about the most impot thing, Wifi indicator
Ping indicator would be such a gimme for the devs. I could be wrong but I can't imagine it being that hard to implement
@@Lol-ben7 lol I just except any match 9/10 matches are good but that 1/10 be having wanting to turn off the game
As someone new to fighting games in general I've had a great time with the tower, but the moment I hit floor 9 I'm getting demoted.
Honestly shocked me the skill difference between 8&9.
The biggest problem with this game imo is still how lacking it is. And whilst the game isnt bad I dont think its core is great either.
Not only is it lacking game modes but some of the characters just feel incomplete and
I dont think saying if there was no tournaments or competitions nobody would care.
I dont think that works because it's not like it's some no name game, and a lot of complaints come from old heads and even newbies not just pros.
Idk to me strive still feels like an average to above average fighting game that really only gets the insane praise it does because Rollback and well its guilty gear the stories always been great and the character designs have always been top tier.
I would hope that with new seasons there is more complexity but I'm also not super confident in that being the case either
No one's mentioned this yet, but we need frame-data in training mode Fighterz-style ASAP.
My biggest gripe with strive right now is really just its lobby system. It needs to be massively cleaned up and made more robust on the backend. It’s insane to me that the rollback code playing against my friend on the other side of the globe is somehow better than the code to connect to the same duel station as someone in my own time zone
being able to spectate any match and at any time is important. player match is worse than park for friends as well because i don't think you can just invite people off steam on pc, you have to tell em a code and they have to get it right (you can't copy to clipboard either) connect and it's all very tedious, PLUS if host gets poor connection for a brief moment the entire room will disband. Also you can't change room settings mid session in player match either, park is just far superior in general.
It really feels like I'm better than almost everyone in floor 10 but worse than most in celestial. It always takes me multiple tries to get back into celestial and my win-rate decreases drastically once I get in
There is some quality of life stuff that ive been missing while playing with the bros, such as being able to change my godamm character while spectating, cus everyone is mashing to play in the lobby so theres no time, also being able to favorite some songs and set a jukebox mode to play them without repeating and have a good time listening to the ost while rematching someone.
Also for some reason if you dont mash out of the defeat screen you just cant spectate the next match, staying half an hour looking at avatars hitting each other and life bars going down, so both going back at the same time to the lobby would be nice, and the XRD spectate catch up would be fine as well
strive is my first fighting game, started at floor 4 and I just got the celestial challenge, I agree we need more floors, because just the difference between floor 9 and 10 is fucking staggering let alone the other floors
I have 2 hopes: improvements to the Floor / Matchmaking System and more OST tracks
Right now, it feels really frustrating to try and learn / improve because you're gonna be running into people with hundreds more hours than you, where you're getting steam rolled and learning nothing new about the match-up meanwhile the game is telling you "+1 XP lmao shouldn't have lost against this dude if you wanted to feel like you're making progress"
Then on the same floor you'll be fighting some guy who has just started off and the game is gonna go "Amazing! Truly a great showcase of agility and skill! To the Final Frontier you go!"
For the OST, Korean version of the Accent Core OST is a banger and we need it in our lives.
I was in that floor 10 loop. Don't have time to play a lot but I'm decent at games. Got to Celestial one time and got matched with some level 2000 player and crushed. Haven't played since.
I think one of the small things this game is lacking is a combo trial mode like SFIV / SFV, like just something to start you off and get you going. I realize we have the combo maker now (which will be more relevant in the end) and we've got some combos in the tutorial, but I still feel like the game needs BASIC combo trial section for all characters.
There's so many things I'd like them to do or try out for this game. Like adding actual in-game tournaments in, not just the Sony PS4 events. Think of the tournament feature from Rocket League, for example. I don't think it needs to be exactly the same as that, but just having something would make it really easy for new players to get involved in the competitive scene as well. It could make it easier for online tournaments, since you wouldn't necessarily need to go through discord channels or specific websites to join in on private tournaments. They could be organized a different way with in-game settings/rules and could give people a way of participating in more open to the public style ones as well.
Lobbies getting fixed so they are more stable and less stations actively break (which is what causes the failed to connect error and is super annoying with how random and frequent it can be.)
It'd be cool if they took existing features and just improved on them in general, too. We can see our battle records for each character, but sometimes I wish there was even more detailed info there. Like: "How many times have I input *insert move* and then how many times it has hit, whiffed, or been blocked; how much health do I lose on average?" Maybe even little mini descriptions for each of the diamond terms, just so it's easier to understand how that thing measures your offense, input versatility, etc. Right now I think most people just assume if it's bigger at the end of a match that's better, and it's sometimes hard to tell what affects it.
If they improve ranked, I'd like to see an option for us to keep our ranks separate by character. On the one hand it's nice to be able to play against people at your same skill level when you change, but there are times where my skills don't transfer from who I've currently been playing to a new character I've barely touched or put very little time into. When that happens it's easier for your opponent to take advantage of your mistakes, and at the upper levels it becomes very difficult to work around that when you are just trying to learn that character for the first time especially.
Also got mixed feelings about how the current tower system let's you choose which character you are going to fight. Not sure what the best solution for that is thought because it can be useful when you're just trying to get specific matchup knowledge. Maybe they could add something to quick play that lets you enter a matchmaking system where you can just select specific characters to search for in the park, or anything similar to that?
Honestly, I'd be happy if we only just got one of these things or anything in the same ballpark (The new combo maker is pretty fantastic, and I hope they continue improving it as we go along.) The lobbies getting fixed would be great though. That feels like it should have been a high priority for a long while now.
I think the Celestial talk here tracks. I'm in Celestial at a wee 205 character level. Feet just in the pool waters. Okay with Gio and with the right people, the matches are clean and fun. But I'm only "okay" for that level while some people live on that floor. Can I take rounds? Yeah? Sometimes full sets but if I'm running into a blue aura lvl 2,000 Sol? Well, that's an entirely different ballgame.
Yeah I honestly feel the developers give people a certain level another floor just for people making to celestial get a chance to experience their level. Kinda hard to just go in heaven and make it. It's legit a lottery ticket
I was a person who got discouraged from failing too many celestial challenges. I dominate in fl10 but fail every challenge. I cant get top level practice since i cant play them till my challenge. And it could go 0/2 and thats it.
I do agree the floor system is not balanced. I am a new player but I fit in around low level 10 or high 9. When I fight someone really good I can sometimes get knocked down to 8 and when I do it's massacre. It doesn't feel good playing people on 8, and I and people at my level do get knocked down to floor 8 very frequently. If you play challenging opponents and really try to improve you will get knocked down. Then once you do you will basically wreck a ton of floor 8 players and probably knock them down to 7.
Bruh I just want Bridget and Aba, then I'll be the Happiest fella in this planet.
But fr, I am REALLY excited about the future of Strive. On 2 years, I believe that this can be one of the best fighting games out there.
I want slayer and zappa aba would be a good drop though.
I miss instant kills man, they had so much personality
Yes! They were amazing
It is worth pointing out that the floor system does allow anyone to try out the higher floors than you are assigned to. I do think there needs to be something between rank 10 and heaven though, since the people in 10 are either pretty solid with some flaws or people who forgot to get back into celestial, while celestial players are either fighting for their goddamn lives or guys who, while not terrible at the game by any stretch of the imagination, aren't as great as everyone else. Hopefully adding a floor 11 with its own challenge would help fill in the gaps.
Hope they add more people to the tower system. Sometimes I just want to play the game, but the lobby is full and the only guy to play is the person everyone dodges. Rollback 8 is not the most fun.
That salty sol player or that really good zato i can relate
My biggest complain as a casual-ish player is actually floor 10. I win most of my floor 10 matches. But I get absolutely destroyed on celestial challenges.
I don't care about failing it because I know I'm not at that skill level yet. But every time I sit down to play I have to deal with probably 3-4 celestial challenges and being constantly up and down is a pain in the neck. I think adding more floors could be good or just making the celestial challenge harder to get to.
It's wild how Floor 10/Celestial ranges in skill from dudes like me to literally the best players lol.
They should really get all the qol stuff out this year. Training mode should be as robust as DBFZ's, the lobbies and towers need more tuning, and ideally we should be getting more cool features like the Combo Maker (wink +R replay system wink). They should also optimize the laggier stages.
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I think half damage on dp supers on wake up would be nice. It’s krazy rn you risk meatying certain characters for 10% and others for 30. Rc Dp wakeups should end your turn as well. Just some thoughts. Lmk what you guys think
I cannot believe it’s still season 1. We been talking about and playing this game for like 2.5 years 😭
9:40 He's right spectating messes with the connection one of my friends has a shaky internet connection and he straight up can't play if someone is spectating. Allowing just anyone to spectate could be an issue in parks
I somehow managed to make it from floor 3 to a steady 9-10 with a lot of struggle getting past 6-8 but I can definitely see where people are coming from with the floor complaints and I personally have a few friends that have stopped playing because they were stuck in floor elo hell and felt like they were making no progress. It sucks man
I think that the rank up matches not being ft3 sucks because it feels like when you get knocked down or knock down someone else you don't get a good grasp of the match up and learn as much as you could have. People already rematch spam when they find someone good in celeste so making heaven ft3 makes sense. Also with the release of baiken i think more characters need to have specific combos with more variety. Ky's shock state feels underutilized and giving him +r's lightning strike and having it combo on shock state would give him more depth for getting combos in shock state.
either risc guage or the base damage, one need to change
I want to like strive, but I just can't really bring myself to grind it, not a huge fan of how the combos feel and I can't really settle on a character. Also now that BBCF has rollback its real hard to play any other fighting game anyway...
Put Venom back in the game and replace his pool balls and cue with garlic knots and a baguette dammit
And call him "Venin" instead.
The floor system also doesn't help in less populated servers. In South America you can only hope to find people to play at floor 10 all the time except 8pm-11pm when most of the player base is off work/school.
This make the system kinda useless because you'll just keep at floor 10 no matter what. At launch, I stayed at floor 8-9, now that I'm at 10, things just got way too imbalanced, I had some guy knock me down to floor 7, only to a few days later a floor 4 guy just taking me directly into celestial qualification, all because there was no one to play at the time.
New gg player here and loving the game.
They should add a bit of more complexity to the game, it feels rather limited.
Should also fix the ranking, especificly with 10th and celestial floor. cant really improve when matched with people way above my level.
I feel like I might be one of the few players that wishes the single player content was more rewarding. I don’t always feel like playing online but it’s the best way to get money it seems.
P.s. if they make Asuka playable I’m gonna laugh if he becomes the Izanami of GG.
I'll be laughing too lmfao
I agree on the single player content. Something that is kinda simple but could be very cool could be something like Pokémon raids or slay the spire rogue like style, where essentially you have a map to clear with various connected nodes, and for each node you have a different character to fight.
The interesting part would be that both the node and each character (yours and the CPU) have modifiers, either stage wide or move specific, like extended range on one of your pokes, faster startup/recovery, RC costs half or even modifying special moves properties like the nago ultra hard boss fight.
It doesn't have to be too complex but I think already something like this could be fun, maybe adding some avatar cosmetics, badges to show when you fight the opponent would be neat, but I'd just like it as its own thing, that gets harder the more you complete it
The rank/tower system I agree with. I have been playing for a little over a month, maining I-NO, and made it to floor 10 because I love the game and playing with I-NO, also this is my first ever Guilty Gear game, but upon getting to floor 10, I was smacked down by just Celestial Floor and/or Celestial Floor VIP players. Because I had no idea what Celestial floor was until I hit rank 10 a couple weeks ago and knowing they can come down to Floor 10 and sweep people is discouraging. I remember my LV 72 I-NO going against a Lvl 462 Zato player and I got washed.
Also I would like spectator mode. The best way I think to go about that is, go to the set up where people are fighting, hit the button to interact and watch the match, it would make the game a lot better and give you an idea of what you are up against.
This last thing is mainly for me and something I want since I play on controller and is still learning/getting comfortable with fighting stick. I wish I could have preset controls saved. For example, how I play on controller and how I have my buttons mapped out make it easier for me to use controller, but when I get on the fight stick, I have to go back and change everything from what I am used to and it just makes me stick with controller. So if I could get like:
Preset Controls Slot 1: Console
Preset Controls Slot 2: Fight stick
It would help me a lot. Probably not going to happen, it’s not a big deal, but I would love to have that option.
But other than that, I really love Strive. It is my first Guilty Gear game and it reignited my love and passion for fighting games.
I find the lobbies having too many duel stations annoying as when you do the quick match mode, you can be set all the way on the other side, which may leave you to be less likely to be given a challeneg
the lobby will match you with anyone ready between themselves regardless of distance after a few seconds, you dont need anyone walking on your station
I wonder when, if ever, we will get crossplay between the platforms. It’s unreal that the player base has no choice but to splinter off from each other
Well, speaking here don't make me lose karma, so let me tell what I really dislike in this game.
It's system mechanics.
5f throw invul; 6p ( Having a good 6p can really break some matches ); mismatch hit/hurt boxes; Blockstun
Let me elaborate.
Throws and throw invul, before it was 11f, could be done in oki only if opponent was really scared, but now, even if you mash and miss it by a frame you will be thrown on wakeup. And it also does about 20% damage of a single throw.
Who here remembers when SFV had a similar problem with foward throws as you could loop on them and do hell in oki, this is not okay.
6p. In Xrd they were incredible anti-airs, here they can shut down entire characters footsies game, if they were to beat air to ground, like, if the opponent is in the air 6p being invul from the knee up as it is now it would be okay, but it can a lot of buttons the way it works now.
Mismatch hit/hurt, some characters have some wild hit boxes that don't look like the move at all, nothing makes me as angry on this topics as Zato's 2s and Baiken's 6H. Zato's move comes from the ground, but hits high, and Baiken's move flips her sword overhead but has no vertical hitbox, like, were the team lazy to reuse the same 6h from Xrd and completely change how the move hits?
Blockstun is really weird in this game, certain moves leave you in a blockstun in a disprorpotional ammount of time, making it hard to punish some moves just because you're stuck for ever in a blockstun and the opponent even get the chance to do a late gatling/cancel and continue an already broken offence.
These are the main changes that I'd like to see in this game. And of course single player content is a sore miss, and a M.O.M mode as well, with good lobbies it could have some M.O.M matches for fun.
The Tower talk is real. I got to floor 10 week 1. Bounced between 9 and Celestial Challenge so many times. Got Celestial once finally after some lucky matchmaking. Then I realized I'd have to do it EVERY month, maybe fighting floor 10.5 folks, maybe fighting 3k Leos. Went and played in the park for 7 months. Retried the Tower with Baiken recently and it's the same awful experience, except now Ramlethal is everywhere and every Ram player has a reference to feet somewhere in their name or comment.
Kizzie i just want to be able to scale down damage and no wall break. Give some abilities back that characters lost and lets players decided if they want a more original experence or STRIVE.
"When they finally make it up to your level, ya'll beatin' they asses."
That's what you call a ceiling, Kizzie. :P
I jest, but after breaking into Celestial I can honestly say that ya'll are built different. It must be great getting to spar with gods on the regular and get pushed so much farther ahead by constant exposure to talent.
I'd like to see a change in the 7-10 areas of the tower. I don't have a have a proposal, but every time I get to floor 10 I immediately get 3-0'd two times in a row and then sent back down. I think it should take a bit longer to demote so I actually can get a feel for the level and adjust. I ping pong between 9-10 when I played ram, and now I'm bouncing between 8-9 after picking up chaos. I'm still grinding, but with Baiken's release I've been getting washed pretty hard trying to learn the match up.
You know can still stay in floor 10 right? That’s what I do, you can still get a feel for the skill level. you just won’t rank up.
@@Cellodaboss In my personal experience, I get "one and done" more often when I play at a floor higher than my current rank, or people who will leave the cabinet after seeing my rank(I don't know if this one has to do with playing HC though. I've seen people online talk about how they don't fight certain characters)
@@Drakkyr yea one suggestion I have instead of having you promoted based on games it should be about how many sets you win like mk in Kombat league. So people will be penalized for for one and dones
Just curious if covid messed with their workflow and how much content was anticipated to be in the game .. hence that's why the game was rushed.. even though it was announced and being worked on years before covid.
I was hyped for this game, but it feels way to heavy. Idk if it's just the negative frames, the walk/aim movement speed, the air dashes or what, but they need to address that. If not, we're swimming in mud in 2022.
ITs heavy to the point my micro dashes get eaten alot i feel this.
@@maxrusty3596 For me it's the general frame data philosophy too. Sol's 2s used to be 8 frames of recovery on wiff, not it'w 15. His 5k used to be 15 on wiff and it's now 25. Idk why they force you to commit like this.
@@agni2051 Oh yea absolutely the games balanced around minus frames and it encourages mashing but also has the added negative side effect of feeling super clunky.
@@maxrusty3596 I can't believe they would design a GG like this smh. This would make a lot more sense for a a mecha fighting game or something. Tho I guess Sol technically is swinging around a greatsword now to be fair. Yikes, I hope DnF feels quick!
Did the celestial challenge about 8 times today. Probably 20 times this week. Losing them to then fall back to F10 is so annoying. I perfect 1 guy in floor 10 and then it's celestial challenge again. These ppl are just too good and they're 1 rank above me is discouraging me so much man
Yeah i hear that a lot from some friends as well. The jump in skill is just too large, and players trying to go up just get used as wall paint. While celestials that gets knocked down take their rage out on the floor 10 players.
@@SuddenFool And everyone is lvl 4k on their character also pretty intimidating before u even started the match...
Not trying to ego but is getting Celestial hard? I've gotten it every mouth without really breaking a sweat
Here's the state of Guilty Gear Strive in 2022. The game barely changed as far as how it plays and is just more balanced in some ways. That's about it. It feels mildly, better, but ultimately, it's the same whack ass game it was on release. I'm tired of these people lying after each patch "Durr! It's better now! It's so much better now! But NOW it's wayyy better!" when I step into this game and it's the same shit.
Maybe the best option is to make the floors like SFV ranks in which you have a point system. The only difference is that you add floors below celestial and raise the requirements to achieving celestial with each floor that's added.
I am an ArcSys boomer in despair. I've played a good amount of ArcSys fighters and have gotten decent and the ones I've played but Strive could never hook me in. These Strive players gotta channel their new age power to bring the boomers to the game
What I’d like to see is a Celestial Pass. No, not a way to buy a VIP ticket, just a way to get some games in versus the best of the best, say, with a time limit. Make it last an hour and give them a special aura that lets the Celestials know what’s up.
To encourage ppl to actually play them, award more World Dollars or Exp for wins. Prolly just World Dollars. Exp will get them farmed to move up leader boards. Currently if you get bopped 2 games you’re done. If you can’t play the best of the best regularly, you’ll NEVER be on their level.
Being able to get needed experience would help players on the edge to level up permanently and stop so much bouncing up and down between floors.
Yea I can't play ranked anymore. I'm stuck between 10 and celestial. On top of that the game crashes sometimes when I rank up or down. Put in the long ass server connect times... Kills all motivation. I only play at the park now.
No expectations but if they added like 2 moves to each character, opened up the gatlings, and lowered the damage a little bit. I'd be real happy.
Baiken brought me back for a bit but I'm waiting for slayer really. KoF 15 right around the corner too. There's a lot to play
I've not been below floor 10 since like week 3. It takes about 30 games to get my VIP poster back when I feel like going for it. Then again, I play mostly play May and Jack-O while only playing May in the tower. I feel like I'm "good," but not amazing at Strive. Feels like I shouldn't be able to stay in celestial.
The last 3 floors are like the bandana's in Afro Samurai. 😂
IMO, Strive is totally killin' it. That said, the tower sucks. I just want a normal ranked mode. I REALLY wish we had basic MMR matchmaking. For all its flaws, SFV's got a really good ranked mode!
Player match...yeah, I've set up rooms, looked for rooms, never once had a player match. It's rank tower or get nuked by celestials in the park lol.
The marketing was fantastic. Strive is literally the first time I heard about a GG game before it was already years old. They tossed a wider net than ever before, and the catch was quite good.
I am certain that season 2 will be wacky AF. Also, I'm pretty sure they'll give me A.B.A., Jam, Elphelt or maybe even 2 of the 3.
Would love if they added spectate. Gives a way to learn more in a live setting, but without the zen-melting pressure of trying to not get REKT in the process.
I bought the game just prior to launch and I'm quite pleased by it. Definitely one of the best fighting games I've played.
I bought the game 2 weeks ago. I'm having a lot of fun.
I just got into strive, at first I thought I would hate the game but surprisingly I’ve been having a lot of fun with the game so I hope we get more characters and features
Know any guilty gear characters you want in the future?
I'm at that tier where I wash the typical floor 10ers with my main (Chipp, yes, I know, get your digs in) but can't make it into Celestial without like 4-5 attempts and/or being super picky about which MUs I play in my Celestial challenge
Should let people rematch until they stop, and then start calculate floor rating. Many time I just got stopped just after 1 match because the rating think I need to go up or go down, while we're having a good time together. Players can just quit if they feel like they are curbstomped, we don't need the system to help us. Right now the tower work just like ranked match, the one thing they said they wanted to avoid.
Secondly, show us latency and wifi indicator before starting match. It's really annoying to start a match and seeing 250ms ping.
Kizzie, what you think about story mode of Strive? I'm from Russia and GG here is not popular at all, so I'm bad in story and lore of it, but interested in opinions about it of different people actually love story.
The state of GGS in 2022 is that A.B.A. and Zappa are still not playable in the game :(
kick rocks please
Don’t put ABA in she’s suffered enough
Please put Zappa in and take away all his shit so Zappa players complain though, that’d rule
thats funny cause im stuck between floor 8 and 9 cause when im floor 8 i beat almost everybody i come across but when i get into floor 9 my matches are either close or i get destroyed i dont think ive beaten a single person in floor 9 well that is took a set cause ive won couple games but not a set
Only 2 things about it i dont like bc its so fun to watch. As a new player, the gatling and combo system makes me feel like i got an arm and leg cutoff. Doesnt have to be Mahvel level length combos but damn. And whenever i do a blockstring it just feels like a parent saying "no you cant do that here" all day. Not bad, just different
I want the game to separate offensive/defensive meter. Start with 2 bars of defensive meter only for YRCs. Offensive meter can no longer YRC.
In Season 2 I really hope we get new moves for all characters, new mechanics, new characters, and balance changes for all characters. The game is great but could use more depth.
New moves? Bold... I would like at least 1 extra move.
@@qlasalle In Tekken 7 seasons, they added multiple new moves for all characters, it was great. Shakes things up a lot.
The tower system is so ganky why just have a rank system like dbfz and I would also like justice back in strive just because I would want to her new model and for her to become a grappler like pot
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