Wolf got it all wrong. He kept calling the engine still on the tracks as the "lead' locomotive when in fact it wasn't. He also thought that the conductor had the power to slow the train down, On a passenger train the conductor is not in a locomotive. He is back in the cars tending to the crew and passengers.
Having known a passenger Conductor for many years.They do have the power to question and DEMAND that the engineer slow done ..stop back up..etc. He also have the power to apply the brakes if the cars are equipped. Freight trains use to habe caboose that hadcan emergency braking valve. The engineer is the boss..He's responsibilities are to control the crew.
Actually, I believe the P-42 locomotive on the tracks was leading. The engineers are almost always in front of the train, and there in another locomotive on the ground, likely pushing. If the engineers were in the trailing locomotive they would have known the extent of the damage since they were on the ground. Unless both locomotives had independent crews, which I'd think is unlikely
why are they neglecting to mention the obvious second engine sitting OFF the track? They keep saying the 'engine' is on the track yet, and the lady even says at one time she can't tell of there was two engines or not... Its plainly apparent to anyone with eyes there were two engines. Likely one in the front and one in the back...
Good comment, I was checking back on this video, I like that observation. I think alot of things apply. I also think rail tracks cannot be repaired over and over, it will create error. "Do it right the first time", in engineering, in my opinion, means to do it right with the best engineer/welder. Again the observation is opinion for architectural ideas Id have. The train has a head and tails yes. Or just a tails? I would say as a gamer id play a trams or trains game for fun I dont know a whole lot about it other than sims.
I'm thankful for the first responders (PD, military, medics, fire and the surrounding hospitals) acting as fast as they did. I-5 north & southbound have been a complete mess around that area.
is everybody ok? are you serious? do you know how big a fucking train is? does it even matter asking, a fucking train just flipped out a fucking bridge.
This whole comment section is a joke. Half of these comments are botted, and the other half are political garbage. Can we just focus on the tragedy and on how we can help these people out?
David Hamilton I don't know, but somebody likes Google Translate. Whoever it is replies to English comments in Russian. It would be nice if that person's translator could post in English. Based on the number of posts, he or she may have something interesting to say. It could be spam, but I'm trying to think positive. It's a shame that this accident happened. I think it will turn out it was preventable.
Ахен Тян If you can read in English, your comments are being posted in Russian, so we can't read your comments. I bet you have something interesting to say.
Amtrak says it was a pull engine and that the other engine was not engaged. Why don't these trains have GPS which controls the speed of the trains at all times?? The engine still on the track is the trailing engine! This train was southbound. South is to the left in this picture. The road is the Southbound lanes of I-5. South is away from you as you look at the picture. The conductor takes tickets, the engineer drives the train. The conductor could have been in the rear engine or one of the rear cars. The cars on the far side of the bridge went off first following the engine. The cars sideways on the bridge buckled and whipped around and reversed order. The cars on the ground, on near side were at the end of the train and were forced off the rail when the two middle cars buckled and twisted sideways. The engine and cars still on the tracks were at the end of the train and stopped when the hanging cars on the near side of the bridge lodged there.
Actually, there are two people at fault here; the railroad and the engineer. The engineer should not have been going that fast around a curve, no matter what the speed limit, but around that time, Amtrak (and a few other railroads) were putting something called Positive Train Control (PTC) into their systems. PTC would've prevented this as it detects when a locomotive is speeding, but the system failed.
It is so sad reading the comments, they are full of disdain, mockery, politics, hatred, sarcasm. It’s sickening. The ‘love of many has grown very cold.’
Not to reply negatively but I agree with you 100% but tbh the worlds slowly descending down the crap shot and I'd give us till maybe ohh 2025-2030 to get our shite together and not not fight over frivolous shite or were gonna bring out own demise upon ourselves.......it's still tragic what happened I was on a road trip with some homies when we had to take a detour around the crash we got a good 1-2 minute glance at it.....that's why you drive the posted speed limit and not takenthe corner like Paul walker in a fast and the furious movie
the engine on the tracks had to be at the back of the train..the front engine is setting on the interstate..why isn't the direction of it stated on the news..?
The Blue engine was the one doing the pushing, the engine was at the rear....It pushed most the cars off the tracks to the right. When the brakes kicked in the deflection from collision sent the other cars to the left, one was left dangling as everything stoppped.
There were engines at both ends, the P42 on the rear that remained on the track doesn’t appear to be too damaged on the exterior, the SC-44 locomotive on the other end is sitting on the highway.
I know the engineer that was operating the train that horrible day. One of my co-workers was injured as a result of this crash. 2 of my other co-workers were killed in this accident.
It's kind of ironic that Portland Oregon news was, on that same morning, reporting every 15 minutes about the new improved train schedule rolling out that morning and the commute expediency it offered; as if they were being paid to advertise for Amtrak. And, that same night, the same news station was reporting about the accident. Egg on face, big time.
I never tire of 'experts' talking about things they know nothing about. F'rinstance, the locomotive weighing "80 tons". They weigh as much as 200 tons.
Tilting cars don't reduce the centripetal forces on the tracks. It reduces the lateral forces felt by the passengers inside the tilted cars, but the rails still experience the full outward push of the cornering train. Take a turn too fast and a tilting train can still cause the outer rail to give way.
The locomotive on this train weighs 265k lbs, it’s a GE p42dc passenger locomotive. current freight locomotives weigh 428k or 420k depending on railroads preference. Big difference between them.
The engine would be closer to 300,000 lbs. It's obvious from the curve and the way the cars are scattered to outside of the curve that the locomotive that's still on the track, was behind and those cars went down the hill just before the bridge.
If they tested this new track with similar speeds and weight it had to be either a track failure or equipment failure. Man if it was track spread the contractor and their engineers are so fucked. What a tragedy :(
Amtrak's train tracker was used to determine that the train was going 81.1MPH going into a 30MPH curve. It sounds like Philadelphia all over again. Hopefully, the investigation will reveal *why* the train was going too fast.
You can see the locomotive was a pusher, the reason I say that if you look at the video you will see that the railroad crossing gates was knocked down if front of the engine! , So the trains cars was off the track before the bridge and hit the crossing gates in front of the locomotive! So the first cars went down the hill and the last few went on to the bridge already derailed and falling off the bridge.. Re-watch the video and look for the crossing gate...
ct92404 One locomotive is a brand new Siemens charger 44 that is leading the train, the other is an older GE P40/42 series. I can’t say why this specific train had two locomotives in a push pull configuration since that isn’t the typical manner Amtrak powers trains, usually all locomotives are located at the front. The exception would be trains that originate/terminate at locations where the locomotives couldn’t be moved around the train or possibly testing.
This is not a infastructure Issue, those tracks were brand new, Dr. Wiliam Mount (Army Corp of Engineers) has stated that this is a demolition job, the rails are blown off the road way and the cars are split into two different directions. This is not possible in a normal derailment.
Why are they interviewing that woman? because women get a free ride in public service jobs? i doubt she has any idea why trains stay on the rails let alone come off them
These “experts” are clueless. Can’t even evaluate the pictures before them. Don’t they see the locomotive on the highway? The engine on the track appears to be at the rear of train.
3:15 The blue and silver locomotive on the right was not pulling the train, as these newscasters believe. To the left of the bridge, the second locomotive is clearly seen sitting upright on the road. At 7:36, you can clearly see what looks like a track signal knocked over. If the blue and silver locomotive was pulling the train, that signal would not be knocked over. The other locomotive had to have taken it out before landing on the highway.
I wonder if that engine will become the first siemens charger to get scrapped or will it be repaired because it is new it will probably be under warranty
Fuck Google+ What?! You are a moron sir. A really quick search will tell you that ALL railway lines on the United States are privately owned. They are not maintained by the government. I suspect the train derailed due to lack of proper training and speeding on the Conductors end, it's not the first time an Amtrak train has derailed going around a bend. But hey, lets blame Trump, its easier than actually being required to think.
First responders were already on scene while the conductor was calling in the crash. Listen-very-carefully-to-the-conductor. In my 35 years in law enforcement and as a first responder volunteer fire fighter in the NYC area, i have never experienced a response time so fast that we were at the scene while the victim was calling it in. The accident would have happened right in front of the fire house/ police station/ EMS unit for a response time as fast as this one here. Even a "Statflight:/"Life flight" helicopter crews has to "scramble" and get airborne and then finally fly to the scene. Not questioning whether this happened or not. i am questioning as to how and why the responders were at the scene as fast as they were. They must be the "super heroes" or something.
There is another very good video, it clearly shows that there had to be something that lifted the train, an explosion of some sort, the tracks are completely gone, if this had been a normal accident the cars would have only gone off 1 side, not split and go off both sides. You can see the rubble, you can clearly see the part where the tracks are completely gone, disinigrated. This is very similar to WW2 trains that were blown up, split, went off both sides of tracks, not just 1 side if this had been a normal incident.
by the looks of it, it was a pull engine in front, and the reason why the front engine is still on the tracks could be because it braked too hard and it braked while in the turn - quick and hard compression of the trailing cars made them jump the track...
Anyone know the exact location of this derailment? I drive around this section of I-5 every week but can't tell where this happened (esp. that LABRAT graffiti on the overpass).
Three reasons why you never believe the news reports. 1) Wolfe Blitzer tells us the locomotive is on the tracks. Wrong it is sitting on the roadway in front of the white tractor towing the orange trailer. 2) The female tells us the lead loco is on the tracks. Wrong look at the position of the cars behind it. The loco the tracks is the trailing loco. 3) The male says that it is possible for the mess we see is typical of a train wreck. Simple physics will tell you the mess we are seeing was caused by the loco sitting on the highway.
I'm familiar with freight trains, but not passenger trains. It is typical that an engine could be stopped so quickly/closely at high speed to the curve where the accident occurred?
Looks pretty clear that the engine was pushing the cars: there's no way they'd go over the bridge's walls and stay upright like that one is, with so little undercarriage damage.
You can also see the place where the track makes an unnatural sharp bend. This could have been produced by the accident, but yea. There were two locos, one at each end, and one is up the creek.
The former NTSB Director says a train engine weighs 80,000 lbs? How does this happen? A train engine weighs 5 times that, at least. An NTSB Director doesn't know this?
At 3:08 and various other times, That also is an engine. Passenger cars do not have engine and brake fans on the roof, and they have windows. I see two engines total. Must of had one on each end. Edit, unless it is the galley, or whatever they call the kitchen on a train.
If the news person and the other voices in this were seeing the same video then why didn't anyone in the group realize the the engine was on the ground, it is very large, white and has cooling fans on top. When you see that that is the engine then it is very clear this was a case of excess speed. You can see that the engine went off the tracks before it was even commented to the curve. I will not be at all surprised when it is found this was operator error. There is also a huge difference in the Engineer running a Shinkansen train then in the US. On the Shinkansen the Engineer not only voices what he is about to do but also uses hand gestures, such as if the train is increasing speed the Engineer not only voices what he is doing but also makes a forward pointing motion with his arm and hand.
This train was very similar to the Spanish one crashed in Santiago... but it happened running at 120mph and the corner was harder, this accident is suspicious but chance at only 80mph the aluminium Talgo passenger cars saved lifes, rip.
I’m sick to my stomach. Such a sad sad situation for everyone. I wish I could do something for all these people. Amtrak should be shutdown or sold to groups ready to make the network safer.
You mean like the Airlines are run by private companies that have now become oligopoly where they control the prices and the quality control. You see how they treat their customers and there is not competition because all the owners have a agreed on the price. Now Amtrak is not perfect but it's run by the government. The government is us and I don't think we should give that control away. Let's do the work and make it better.
This is really late, but this isn't Amtrak's fault. And no need to get that sensitive please. The internet is full of sensitive pricks which is annoying lol
Listen the train was running with Engines on both ends not a cab car the engine went around the curve and derailed and pulled the train with it the engine wound up on one side of the highway with the cars on the other side The train in question can tell on curves so it is able to go round curves much faster than a conventional train however the locomotives that were in the front and in the back are not equipped to tell therefore they must slow down when they entered that 30 mount R curve if the engine their place to train into emergency while he was entering the curve the law of physics and inertia force the rail to turn over and the engine then left the tracks
front engine left rail (full momentum-pulling next cars with it) cars piled up behind lead engine(skidding to stop-off the rail) engine on rails experienced abrupt stop as cars buckeled/left rail can't say they were going too fast(maybe outside rail failed) got that from the 1st min of the video.
It’s frustrating to see how many comments are focused more on bashing the government than being concerned about these people dying today in a tragic accident. They really think their making a positive difference. That’s tragic. I’m sure the response would be MUCH different if it happened to a member of their own family. The dead are out of second chances, I’m thankful to still have mine.
....maybe cnn should have determined the direction of travel b4 going on air.....the engine on the ground is the lead engine ...it is brand new....a quick look at the scour of the ground trees etc. and the damage to the front of the engine tells you with out a doubt the engineer blew it....it is the engineers obligation to ensure the safety of the passengers and the train....and part of that obligation is to know the route and its danger points....this is obviously not the case......criminal charges are warranted.......tough xmas for that fellow but ...that is the way it is.....
Train was being pushed by the P42-DC and I think he misread some sort of medium approach signal telling him to begin reducing speed to 30 mph and prepare to stop at the next signal, IDK jus an educated guess🤔🤔🤔🤔
for those who are blaming trump -it wasn't trumps fault -he didn't do anything -hes not a demon -this was a devastating incident that once should not involve politics.
it is force of speed times torque of weighted engine cars, low speeds can fling cars as well, perhaps not as far, but not much speed is important. The energy required to push the weight(x) distance over time is important Not a mathematician, just a fan and reader of weights.
I just caught the 13 minute marker, if a derail yes objects fly around a train, please refer to aircraft as your prime example of safety features. Opinion of mine.
I forgot to mention that the Town of Dupont, just around the bend was having a Mass Causality Drill at the time of the derailment. Coincidence ( Not Likely).
Im gonna bet that the conductor is used to operating trains that have PTC...prob not used to one without and then it's too late...To bad we can't get our shit together in this state and update our systems like everyone else in the country...This should never have happened...
Keeping all these folks & their families, friends in my thoughts. Scary. Thank you to all the First Responders & bystanders who helped.
Wolf got it all wrong. He kept calling the engine still on the tracks as the "lead' locomotive when in fact it wasn't. He also thought that the conductor had the power to slow the train down, On a passenger train the conductor is not in a locomotive. He is back in the cars tending to the crew and passengers.
Wolf is just showing his stupidity as he always does.
Having known a passenger Conductor for many years.They do have the power to question and DEMAND that the engineer slow done ..stop back up..etc.
He also have the power to apply the brakes if the cars are equipped.
Freight trains use to habe caboose that hadcan emergency braking valve.
The engineer is the boss..He's responsibilities are to control the crew.
Jack Thomas
Right, many people think the conductor is the driver 😉
Jack Thomas
Engineer actually drives the train, although the conductor has many other duties, he does not drive the train.
Actually, I believe the P-42 locomotive on the tracks was leading. The engineers are almost always in front of the train, and there in another locomotive on the ground, likely pushing. If the engineers were in the trailing locomotive they would have known the extent of the damage since they were on the ground. Unless both locomotives had independent crews, which I'd think is unlikely
why are they neglecting to mention the obvious second engine sitting OFF the track? They keep saying the 'engine' is on the track yet, and the lady even says at one time she can't tell of there was two engines or not... Its plainly apparent to anyone with eyes there were two engines. Likely one in the front and one in the back...
They can't tell a locomotive from a wheelbarrow.
Good comment, I was checking back on this video, I like that observation. I think alot of things apply. I also think rail tracks cannot be repaired over and over, it will create error. "Do it right the first time", in engineering, in my opinion, means to do it right with the best engineer/welder. Again the observation is opinion for architectural ideas Id have. The train has a head and tails yes. Or just a tails? I would say as a gamer id play a trams or trains game for fun I dont know a whole lot about it other than sims.
I'm thankful for the first responders (PD, military, medics, fire and the surrounding hospitals) acting as fast as they did. I-5 north & southbound have been a complete mess around that area.
One Day At A Time oh shut up
is everybody ok? are you serious? do you know how big a fucking train is?
does it even matter asking, a fucking train just flipped out a fucking bridge.
This whole comment section is a joke. Half of these comments are botted, and the other half are political garbage. Can we just focus on the tragedy and on how we can help these people out?
John Spade and which ones are bots?
Мы не боты, мы живые люди, у нас сейчас перерыв и можно отдохнуть.
David Hamilton I don't know, but somebody likes Google Translate. Whoever it is replies to English comments in Russian. It would be nice if that person's translator could post in English. Based on the number of posts, he or she may have something interesting to say. It could be spam, but I'm trying to think positive. It's a shame that this accident happened. I think it will turn out it was preventable.
Ахен Тян If you can read in English, your comments are being posted in Russian, so we can't read your comments. I bet you have something interesting to say.
Yeah. These experts don't know what they're talking about. Probably got their jobs through political appointments.
Amtrak says it was a pull engine and that the other engine was not engaged. Why don't these trains have GPS which controls the speed of the trains at all times?? The engine still on the track is the trailing engine! This train was southbound. South is to the left in this picture. The road is the Southbound lanes of I-5. South is away from you as you look at the picture. The conductor takes tickets, the engineer drives the train. The conductor could have been in the rear engine or one of the rear cars. The cars on the far side of the bridge went off first following the engine. The cars sideways on the bridge buckled and whipped around and reversed order. The cars on the ground, on near side were at the end of the train and were forced off the rail when the two middle cars buckled and twisted sideways. The engine and cars still on the tracks were at the end of the train and stopped when the hanging cars on the near side of the bridge lodged there.
Why are we talking about how cool this train is. What about the fatalities for God sakes.
I would say the Engine still on the tracks was at the tail of the train...The lead Engine is on the ground....
No more Hate, please pray, pray like one of your family was inside the train.God bless everyone.
God's not real.
YOU PRAY LADY,,, I WANNA SEE SOMEONE HELD FOR THIS CRIME, 30 MPH ON CURVE NOT 80
This SUCKs. America has needed a better high speed train system like yesterday!! Prayers for all folks involved.
Eh, I say leave trains to freight. Flying is cheaper in most cases.
America is too big for high speed train, freight is really all we need.
What is there to investigate? The train was doing 80mph around a corner were the speed limit was 30mph, the conductor is 100% at fault.
*Engineer. The Engineer is the one who operates it.
Actually, there are two people at fault here; the railroad and the engineer. The engineer should not have been going that fast around a curve, no matter what the speed limit, but around that time, Amtrak (and a few other railroads) were putting something called Positive Train Control (PTC) into their systems. PTC would've prevented this as it detects when a locomotive is speeding, but the system failed.
i live in Vancouver WA and my dad (a truck driver) was stuck in traffic all day today while making a drop in seattle
RIP for those who deid
Cars still on the track were at the tail end of train.
im not an expert but a fool can see this train was going to fast for that curve
It is so sad reading the comments, they are full of disdain, mockery, politics, hatred, sarcasm. It’s sickening. The ‘love of many has grown very cold.’
i share your sentiment. so very sad... out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
Not to reply negatively but I agree with you 100% but tbh the worlds slowly descending down the crap shot and I'd give us till maybe ohh 2025-2030 to get our shite together and not not fight over frivolous shite or were gonna bring out own demise upon ourselves.......it's still tragic what happened I was on a road trip with some homies when we had to take a detour around the crash we got a good 1-2 minute glance at it.....that's why you drive the posted speed limit and not takenthe corner like Paul walker in a fast and the furious movie
the engine on the tracks had to be at the back of the train..the front engine is setting on the interstate..why isn't the direction of it stated on the news..?
WOW SOME COMMON SENSE TY
The Blue engine was the one doing the pushing, the engine was at the rear....It pushed most the cars off the tracks to the right. When the brakes kicked in the deflection from collision sent the other cars to the left, one was left dangling as everything stoppped.
There were engines at both ends, the P42 on the rear that remained on the track doesn’t appear to be too damaged on the exterior, the SC-44 locomotive on the other end is sitting on the highway.
I know the engineer that was operating the train that horrible day. One of my co-workers was injured as a result of this crash. 2 of my other co-workers were killed in this accident.
It's kind of ironic that Portland Oregon news was, on that same morning, reporting every 15 minutes about the new improved train schedule rolling out that morning and the commute expediency it offered; as if they were being paid to advertise for Amtrak. And, that same night, the same news station was reporting about the accident. Egg on face, big time.
Those tracks are not owned by Amtrak, only the train is.. Whomever built this track line is also an important link in the accident investigation
At 7:35 pay attention to the damaged signal and rutting in the gravel on the outside of the curve.
Gregory Phillips Good eye but that was a brand new signal not put up yet.
I never tire of 'experts' talking about things they know nothing about. F'rinstance, the locomotive weighing "80 tons". They weigh as much as 200 tons.
80,000 lbs versus 400,000 lbs? Close enough, right? I wonder if this schmuck can even balance his checkbook?
No tax payers balance it for him
Hidden Arizona ...did you proofread my guy
Tilting cars don't reduce the centripetal forces on the tracks. It reduces the lateral forces felt by the passengers inside the tilted cars, but the rails still experience the full outward push of the cornering train. Take a turn too fast and a tilting train can still cause the outer rail to give way.
The locomotive on this train weighs 265k lbs, it’s a GE p42dc passenger locomotive. current freight locomotives weigh 428k or 420k depending on railroads preference. Big difference between them.
The engine would be closer to 300,000 lbs. It's obvious from the curve and the way the cars are scattered to outside of the curve that the locomotive that's still on the track, was behind and those cars went down the hill just before the bridge.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THE BRAND NEW SC-44 CHARGER WAS INVOLVED IN THE WREAK!
Rebecca Wiesenberg wreck*
Where do the 3 who died factor into that?
If they tested this new track with similar speeds and weight it had to be either a track failure or equipment failure. Man if it was track spread the contractor and their engineers are so fucked. What a tragedy :(
The track that was probably put in place like 60 years ago.. They're probably dead.
Yep, New route for this train not new tracks. These tracks are used by many other trains all day long, BNSF owned.
Yes, but news said they had been working on this area, preparing it for Amtrak trains. They did do test runs. This was the first with passengers.
Amtrak's train tracker was used to determine that the train was going 81.1MPH going into a 30MPH curve. It sounds like Philadelphia all over again. Hopefully, the investigation will reveal *why* the train was going too fast.
That was obviously not the front of the train that was the back just by the way the carts got pushed off the track.
WE TOOK THE CORNER AT 80 MILES AN HOUR, TARDS SHOULD NOT BE IN CARGE OF OUR LOVED ONES
You can see the locomotive was a pusher, the reason I say that if you look at the video you will see that the railroad crossing gates was knocked down if front of the engine! , So the trains cars was off the track before the bridge and hit the crossing gates in front of the locomotive! So the first cars went down the hill and the last few went on to the bridge already derailed and falling off the bridge.. Re-watch the video and look for the crossing gate...
Watch the overhead videos again. There is an engine down on the highway. Looks like there were engines on both ends.
How heavy are the locos? Man can you imagine..Wow
psalm49
There is two locomotives on this train, one on each end. They weigh 265k lbs each. The GE still on the tracks might be a few pounds lighter.
Matt Moschkau I thought they might have been using a cab car, with a locomotive pushing on the other end.
ct92404
One locomotive is a brand new Siemens charger 44 that is leading the train, the other is an older GE P40/42 series.
I can’t say why this specific train had two locomotives in a push pull configuration since that isn’t the typical manner Amtrak powers trains, usually all locomotives are located at the front. The exception would be trains that originate/terminate at locations where the locomotives couldn’t be moved around the train or possibly testing.
This is not a infastructure Issue, those tracks were brand new, Dr. Wiliam Mount (Army Corp of Engineers) has stated that this is a demolition job, the rails are blown off the road way and the cars are split into two different directions. This is not possible in a normal derailment.
My condolences and prayers are for the families and for those that are injured.
It looks to be very similar to the 188 derailment in Philadelphia. The locomotive that is still on the track (P42 181) was at the rear of the train.
Why are they interviewing that woman? because women get a free ride in public service jobs?
i doubt she has any idea why trains stay on the rails let alone come off them
These “experts” are clueless. Can’t even evaluate the pictures before them. Don’t they see the locomotive on the highway? The engine on the track appears to be at the rear of train.
Yeah but the train was going south, so the car on the track is the front because it is facing south.
3:15 The blue and silver locomotive on the right was not pulling the train, as these newscasters believe. To the left of the bridge, the second locomotive is clearly seen sitting upright on the road. At 7:36, you can clearly see what looks like a track signal knocked over. If the blue and silver locomotive was pulling the train, that signal would not be knocked over. The other locomotive had to have taken it out before landing on the highway.
That’s a pusher engine, the engine was pushing the passenger cars from what I can see in this video
Prayers sent to the families impacted.
I wonder if that engine will become the first siemens charger to get scrapped or will it be repaired because it is new it will probably be under warranty
So they don'e know anything and we should listen to them for our news.
WHERE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE???? WHERE IS MEDICS
stop disliking real news ffs
CraftyFoxe is that full dragon armor from runescape in minecraft?
yes it is, some people think its from star wars
People can't handle real news anymore...real news isn't edited into snowflake friendly entertainment
Fuck Google+ я не русский бот!
Fuck Google+ What?! You are a moron sir. A really quick search will tell you that ALL railway lines on the United States are privately owned. They are not maintained by the government. I suspect the train derailed due to lack of proper training and speeding on the Conductors end, it's not the first time an Amtrak train has derailed going around a bend. But hey, lets blame Trump, its easier than actually being required to think.
First responders were already on scene while the conductor was calling in the crash. Listen-very-carefully-to-the-conductor. In my 35 years in law enforcement and as a first responder volunteer fire fighter in the NYC area, i have never experienced a response time so fast that we were at the scene while the victim was calling it in. The accident would have happened right in front of the fire house/ police station/ EMS unit for a response time as fast as this one here. Even a "Statflight:/"Life flight" helicopter crews has to "scramble" and get airborne and then finally fly to the scene. Not questioning whether this happened or not. i am questioning as to how and why the responders were at the scene as fast as they were. They must be the "super heroes" or something.
It's sad that they don't know which end is which. Cascades are push pull trains. The upright locomotive is on the rear of the train, pushing it.
Isn't this one of those now somewhat new Talgo train sets?
There is another very good video, it clearly shows that there had to be something that lifted the train, an explosion of some sort, the tracks are completely gone, if this had been a normal accident the cars would have only gone off 1 side, not split and go off both sides. You can see the rubble, you can clearly see the part where the tracks are completely gone, disinigrated. This is very similar to WW2 trains that were blown up, split, went off both sides of tracks, not just 1 side if this had been a normal incident.
Unfortunate tragedy, condolences
by the looks of it, it was a pull engine in front, and the reason why the front engine is still on the tracks could be because it braked too hard and it braked while in the turn - quick and hard compression of the trailing cars made them jump the track...
Anyone know the exact location of this derailment? I drive around this section of I-5 every week but can't tell where this happened (esp. that LABRAT graffiti on the overpass).
Looks like the engine in the street was in front and the engine still on track was in back pushing the cars into the wreck.
poor driver; he sounds absolutely clueless; bewildered...by the course of events caused by his hand.
This engine is at the back of the train .
Three reasons why you never believe the news reports.
1) Wolfe Blitzer tells us the locomotive is on the tracks. Wrong it is sitting on the roadway in front of the white tractor towing the orange trailer.
2) The female tells us the lead loco is on the tracks. Wrong look at the position of the cars behind it. The loco the tracks is the trailing loco.
3) The male says that it is possible for the mess we see is typical of a train wreck. Simple physics will tell you the mess we are seeing was caused by the loco sitting on the highway.
I'm familiar with freight trains, but not passenger trains. It is typical that an engine could be stopped so quickly/closely at high speed to the curve where the accident occurred?
Looks pretty clear that the engine was pushing the cars: there's no way they'd go over the bridge's walls and stay upright like that one is, with so little undercarriage damage.
You can also see the place where the track makes an unnatural sharp bend. This could have been produced by the accident, but yea. There were two locos, one at each end, and one is up the creek.
How many people were injured? How many were killed?
Last I heard 3 dead, 100 injured.
The former NTSB Director says a train engine weighs 80,000 lbs? How does this happen? A train engine weighs 5 times that, at least. An NTSB Director doesn't know this?
I think the front engine is on the road and the rear engine is undisturbed. And isn't the engineer "driving", not the conductor?
It's a damn shame that in 2017 taking the train is at least as unsafe as flying on the commercial airlines!
At 3:08 and various other times, That also is an engine. Passenger cars do not have engine and brake fans on the roof, and they have windows. I see two engines total. Must of had one on each end. Edit, unless it is the galley, or whatever they call the kitchen on a train.
If the news person and the other voices in this were seeing the same video then why didn't anyone in the group realize the the engine was on the ground, it is very large, white and has cooling fans on top. When you see that that is the engine then it is very clear this was a case of excess speed. You can see that the engine went off the tracks before it was even commented to the curve. I will not be at all surprised when it is found this was operator error. There is also a huge difference in the Engineer running a Shinkansen train then in the US. On the Shinkansen the Engineer not only voices what he is about to do but also uses hand gestures, such as if the train is increasing speed the Engineer not only voices what he is doing but also makes a forward pointing motion with his arm and hand.
This train was very similar to the Spanish one crashed in Santiago... but it happened running at 120mph and the corner was harder, this accident is suspicious but chance at only 80mph the aluminium Talgo passenger cars saved lifes, rip.
I’m sick to my stomach. Such a sad sad situation for everyone. I wish I could do something for all these people. Amtrak should be shutdown or sold to groups ready to make the network safer.
You mean like the Airlines are run by private companies that have now become oligopoly where they control the prices and the quality control. You see how they treat their customers and there is not competition because all the owners have a agreed on the price. Now Amtrak is not perfect but it's run by the government. The government is us and I don't think we should give that control away. Let's do the work and make it better.
Bring back passenger service to individual railroads. Some of them still have passenger coaches used as "office" cars
This is really late, but this isn't Amtrak's fault. And no need to get that sensitive please. The internet is full of sensitive pricks which is annoying lol
Is it Dupont train
That turn is extremely tight. On a new track, why? Curves are inherently dangerous, especially with a high speed train.
there clearly was an engine at both ends, one is in the highway. the train hit the curve and left the track.
drove under that bridge the day before, never know when your numbers up
They had Locomotives on both ends. The locomotive on the front end is Brand new. The one on the end is old
Listen the train was running with Engines on both ends not a cab car the engine went around the curve and derailed and pulled the train with it the engine wound up on one side of the highway with the cars on the other side The train in question can tell on curves so it is able to go round curves much faster than a conventional train however the locomotives that were in the front and in the back are not equipped to tell therefore they must slow down when they entered that 30 mount R curve if the engine their place to train into emergency while he was entering the curve the law of physics and inertia force the rail to turn over and the engine then left the tracks
Fuck! I'm thousands of miles away and can tell what direction the train crashed,,,,, How are these people professionals?
That's the back of the train Not the front The front end is what derailed
I don't agree it's because of the speed taken around the curve...it disrailed long before that would have happened...that is obvious.
Wuts scrap value
The main engine is on the highway and anyone with any common sense could tell which direction the train was traveling.
front engine left rail (full momentum-pulling next cars with it)
cars piled up behind lead engine(skidding to stop-off the rail)
engine on rails experienced abrupt stop as cars buckeled/left rail
can't say they were going too fast(maybe outside rail failed)
got that from the 1st min of the video.
The train is a Talgo, they are not pushed. These NTSB people don't know what they are looking at.
Engine on both ends. One way down in the streambed past the bridge. No one said anything about it!
It’s frustrating to see how many comments are focused more on bashing the government than being concerned about these people dying today in a tragic accident. They really think their making a positive difference. That’s tragic. I’m sure the response would be MUCH different if it happened to a member of their own family. The dead are out of second chances, I’m thankful to still have mine.
It sounds unsafe to have high speed trains on curvy tracks that lead to highways.
I heard the engineer calling, I didn't hear a word from the conductor.
So, thought there was a garbage truck on the rail that caused it????
....maybe cnn should have determined the direction of travel b4 going on air.....the engine on the ground is the lead engine ...it is brand new....a quick look at the scour of the ground trees etc. and the damage to the front of the engine tells you with out a doubt the engineer blew it....it is the engineers obligation to ensure the safety of the passengers and the train....and part of that obligation is to know the route and its danger points....this is obviously not the case......criminal charges are warranted.......tough xmas for that fellow but ...that is the way it is.....
You should check the distance between axls
The locomotive that's still on the tracks appears to be the LAST car
Train was being pushed by the P42-DC and I think he misread some sort of medium approach signal telling him to begin reducing speed to 30 mph and prepare to stop at the next signal, IDK jus an educated guess🤔🤔🤔🤔
I seen when the trailed was derailed was heading to the military base that morning 😞
for those who are blaming trump
-it wasn't trumps fault
-he didn't do anything
-hes not a demon
-this was a devastating incident that once should not involve politics.
miles crawford Trump is a demon. Nearly politicians are so it's so surprise.
Amtrak has been running super old trains. Like 50 yr plus old. Yet they charge alot on fees. Pull or push? They do both lady.
Are they really comparing bullet train vs shitty am track trains?
Animated Tigress *Amtrak
Another CNN report showed a train that is not the same as this one. Why different trains??
it is force of speed times torque of weighted engine cars, low speeds can fling cars as well, perhaps not as far, but not much speed is important. The energy required to push the weight(x) distance over time is important
Not a mathematician, just a fan and reader of weights.
Synonyms potential energy~ respectively.
I just caught the 13 minute marker, if a derail yes objects fly around a train, please refer to aircraft as your prime example of safety features. Opinion of mine.
What happened? well we wuz taking this curve at 81 Mph and she left the tracks. We don't know what happened. Manslaughter charges, perhaps.
Can you imagine driving down tge highway and train just flus out of the sky... You never know when,your time could come
D- score on infrastructure, but I'm sure it played no role
I forgot to mention that the Town of Dupont, just around the bend was having a Mass Causality Drill at the time of the derailment. Coincidence ( Not Likely).
This was 2 engine train. there is 1 on the ground they do not see
Im gonna bet that the conductor is used to operating trains that have PTC...prob not used to one without and then it's too late...To bad we can't get our shit together in this state and update our systems like everyone else in the country...This should never have happened...
I just want to say it all work well on paper... but the big problem is that paper doesn’t get handed out. When it does it’s at least 2 to 3 papers beh
The American-railroad system is broken. What is it going to take to open up the United States eyes...
when you get seat belts in trains your ticket cost will double. Insurance actuarial tables