KTM 890 Adv VS Honda Africa Twin
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- čas přidán 10. 06. 2022
- Today I invite my good friend Dean and his KTM 890 Adventure to decide which is better KTM 890 adv or Honda Africa Twin?
If you are in Bc and you ride an adventure or dual purpose bike, join the awesome Sea To Sky Adventure motorcycle group on FB and follow dean on TikTok @seatoskyadv
Tell us in the comments what you think!
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I’ve ridden most of the ADV motorcycles. I think it really comes down to how much of what type of riding you are “really” going to do vs dreaming of doing. I’ve been driving motorcycles now for 50 years thru all types of four seasons in most parts of the US and Canada. Best to buy more than one cycle type if you can.
I have a 2022 KTM 150 TPI EXC-W and a 2022 AT Adv Sport ES DCT....Best of both words!
The AT only requires 87 octane fuel. Using higher octane fuel will actually hurt performance.
Just ordered a 2023 890 R. I’ll probably need to get the lower seat.
Greg, you are getting famous!
Love lots of power, and a bike that is light, but would have a hard time trusting KTM over honda for far away trips.
It would, and soon will be the 2022 AT SE DCT, for me. Hate being broke down.
Unfortunately both bikes shares a healty list of reliability issues. Hondas are not as perfect as people think
@@sspirito3130 lol, honda with reliability issues? Ya I call bs on that. I'm sure some do have issues, but nothing compared to other brands, such as KTM.
I'll take my chances with a honda over KTM any day. I've put 2600 miles on my AT DCT, not 1 issue so far. Other then the seat being pretty uncomfortable, I really enjoy this bike so far.
@@curtisbull1583 My experience with Honda was pretty average to put it nicely. I can safely say that the Africa Twin was the most unreliable and most expensive bike I owned. Let me give you a hint of some of the issues you will face just out of the warranty period:
- Leaky forks due to worn off coating. Honda will replace the seals just to get you over the warranty, but the only solution is a full fork replacement at your own cost (approx. 10% of the cost of a new bike)
- Fuel pump failure due to dislodged sediments from the tank (there was a recall in some countries but not all countries)
- Rear wheel bearing failure
- Rust on spokes, rims and brake bolts
- Rust on frame welded joins (this is pretty serious and there is no easy fix)
- Random gremlins with the instrument cluster
- I am glad I did not extend the 16K mi service interval, as all exhausts valves were way out of spec. BTW, the valve checks service was more expensive than a Ducati desmo service, as half bike needs to be dismantled to access the valves
I was not unlucky, all of the issues above are well documented on the various AT forums, so it wasn’t just a lemon bike. This was for a manual model, people with DCT have plenty of horror stories to share.
The AT is a fantastic bike, but don’t buy it because of its ‘legendary’ reliability - build quality and components are below average.
Im new to adv riding but after looking at the options the AT and T7 is my choices. Besides reliability youcan be anywhere in the USA or the world and you going to find help. They are the harleys of the off road world.
Both the AT and T7 are great bikes for reliability and parts availability. If you haven’t done so, I recommend you drive both bikes first. If your not racing or trying to set a world record, I think a lot of it comes down to how you fit and feel on the bike for your body size and height etc. another thing to consider is how often you were going to be using the motorcycle for what type of trip and at what speeds.
@@paulrod6760 everywhere i want to go is 7 to 10 day trips so the cruise control is the only thing that knocks the T7 and at 61 weight is a considiration. The T7 is impossible to find for a test ride. Think Im going to wait on the AT 750 launch and see what it brings.
@@barendfourie6687 For American offroad the KTM is the better bike depending on your skills, if they are low the T7/AT is better and yes they are more reliable.
guys I dont understand why you put in front of those 2 beauties we all want to see together at least in a single moment of the video
fair point !
I noticed and tried to be better on the Tuareg video.
@@northof49adv thank you! we can hear you the same if you stay behind the moto hahaha a lot of reviews of a lot of chanels dont show the motos and we want to see them! thank you for your videos
This is the best! Who are those studs?
I drove the KTM and really liked driving it.
However, based on my research, it’s made in China and had reliability problems and it kicked out an enormous amount of heat was a dealbreaker. Not to mention the fact that the motorcycle has many features already built in but they don’t activate it for you unless you pay additional amounts of money, made it a sour deal to stomach.
I resent KTM for charging customers for their electronic packages. We are not software buyers 😡
Actually that’s not true yet my 2022 890 adventure r was built in Austria,KTM had to hold off on production in china due to COVID and supply chain issues
@@munger2166 yep, not made in China. Heat from the Catalytic converter is a real thing, 1290 had it from the back exhaust (2017-2020) new one has it from the radiator in front of your knees (2020-2022). 890 has fixed a lot of 790 issues, and the 2023 890 would be a step forward again. But the heat from the cat will be there, although you can buy cat replacements..
@@nickb8530 only the 390 is made in china.
@@barendfourie6687 even that i doubt since its the 690 engine. maybe all the other pieces.
Great video and good point at the end. I sometimes like to think I'm a Dean, but I'm a Greg, and there's nothing wrong with that. The new Africa Twin is on my short list.
There is absolutely NO ADVANTAGE to running the bike with a higher octane fuel than the manufacturer recommends. You are just throwing away your money.
Lower octane fuel have more Ethanol mixture which have lower energy density and damage the engine. Ethanol attracts water, blends the oil and corrode sealings so if you want your engine to have good fuel economy and last longer you should stay away from low octane fuel.
@@fredrik999z What are you basing your understanding of the concentration of ethanol in low octane gas on? I've never heard this before that lower octane fuel has more ethanol in it.
I'm down to these 2...tough decision. It comes down to weight and power...but it's hard to beat Honda reliability.
Check the touratech day 2 video, that might help you make a decision ;)
@@northof49adv will do... I'll take an the advice and tips I can get prior to this purchase
Rode both KTM is a way better bike now own a 22 KTM 890 r adventure and will never buy a Japanese bike again
@@munger2166 The Honda is also not the bike to be compared with the KTM, it is a total different beast. It is more in the 1290 section and the 1290 kicks the whole high end adv level but again depending on what you want.. for example the 1250 GS(A) is the most luxurious and more tempered..
Also don't tell me crap about lc8 engines when more and more people reach the 200k (km) while they often being pushed much harder than other brands (different beast and riders).
😵I am riding the 2020 standard model Africa Twin. Regarding KTM, the shape of the seat and fuel tank is the most enviable.
Africa Twin has a fairly low compression ratio (10.1 : 1) so you can run it happily on the lowest grade fuel (91 RON here in Aust, which is maybe the same as 87 Octane in the USA).
Not just happily, but likely with higher horsepower and efficiency when running correct octane.
For motorcycles that are fuel injected and have a computer, I’m wondering if it would automatically adjust to the different octanes. For example my car will and it doesn’t matter what I put in it. Remember, the octane rating does not indicate the amount of energy contained in the fuel it’s really more about the timing of the ignition. I.e. to avoid knocking
@@SWTrailsAndWheels Exactly. higher octane fuel is not "cleaner or better". The engine is designed for a particular octane... Use that one.
Well done thumbnail pic! I like Japanese bikes when I'm riding alone in the woods. *one man's preference, everyone is welcome to their own.
I’m an enneagram 9…I own a 2021 Honda Africa Twin ES DCT (shamelessly plugging my channel) owner and ride with Apple Car 🚗 Play and live for the Off Road vibes and views. Not looking to run- over the roses 🌹 but admire them 🤣
So wrong about octane. Higher does not mean "better". Do some research please before misinforming.
You missed the trigger warning at the beginning of the video lol 😂
…. And which one will spend more time in the workshop?😉
I guess we will never know lol
Let me guess... KTM? They are junk. Great design -- poor execution on customer satisfaction and quality of build or something... Go on the internet -- they are broken all the time... Honda? Like buying a BMW vs a KTM... No choice ...
always ktm
Until end of 2020 and start of 2021, the 790 (duke or adv s/r) are made in AUSTRIA. And the price of 790 adv S was in 2020, of 12700 euro..it's simple, go on google for check. The fact is that 790 is the UNIQUE bike with a weight like a t7, but with specifics of the engine like a 1000/1100 cc !! 95 cv (or 105 for an 890) and 105 nm for 188kg, that weights 790 adv in 2020. Bikes like africatwin 1100 are sleept compared with the skills of 790/890..i dont compare garbage like a t7 because are the same of an old transalp 650 witj only ABS more. The result is that...instead a 790 adv 2023 has NOW, for 10999 euros, inertial plattform, a modern electronic, (if you pay 250 euros you have QS by, or with 300 you have a modern cruise control) a nice and complete TFT, it has TUBELESS...have i to say more? P.S a friend of me with africatwin 1100 says that the 790 adv seems a ROTTWEILER if compared to a Chiuahua of the japan bike.
the Honda is no Match for the famous 890R
Where is the 890 made?
KTM 890 adventure r still made in Austria not chinaYET my 22 KTM 890 adventure r was built in Austria
Ok, its a year later... Tell us the issues with the 890. Every single person on earth has had issues... Please advise. I would buy if they were not so prone to garbage reviews... and I always say -- where there is smoke -- there is fire. I would rather have the 890 but the AT is Honda -- enough said. Please advise and be 100% honest.
The truth?
He sold it because he was worried about break downs, got a Ténéré 700 , sold that too and recently got a 690 ...
@@northof49adv For real? did he have issues? I honestly am in the market and only trash the KTM because all I see is CZcams horror stories -- and I don't see them with other brands. I own a 2019 BMWF850GSA and it is a rock -- real rock and never breaks... In fact, I took it on a 25,000km ride from Miami to Thailand - 6 months -- 17 countries and its a beast... But it maybe old for the newer bikes? Not sure? I am looking at all options from Suzuki 800DE, Transalp 750, Africa Twin or just keeping my bike... If the KTM 890Adventure was solid and I could take it on another adventure to 3rd world countries and know it would not break down -- I honestly would buy one tomorrow -- case closed. But its not, What bike do you see as the best now for a long trip?
@@Coldgecko Yup. Have you seen my last video? If budget allows I would really have a look at the Ducati Desert X, over the KTM
@@northof49adv appreciate that. No way on earth can I take an Italian bike half way around the world. No dealers and questionable reliability. Let me rephrase - Japanese or German are only choices. Still a ton to chose from.
@@Coldgeckodon t be so ENVY...😂 KTM destroyes the gs 850 😂😂😂. The 850 gs has chinese engine and believe me but KTM is for real strong men. Gs 850 is the bmw for poor people. GS BMW is BOXER, not loncin 😂😂
I have rode both bikes,the AT wants to be a KTM 890 adventure R,the KTM is a KTM and is by far a better bike.That’s why I bought a 22 KTM 890 adventure R,Honda AT felt like a bike that’s asleep and your going to spend alot to wake it up.
Waiting on my 2023...
@@slavetothegrind872 Enjoy your new KTM 890 adventure R great bike love mine,I ride it almost everyday very reliable great gas mileage,the new 23 looks really good.
Ktm butt ugly, poor reliability, costly, ya exactly what I’m looking for when I’m far from civilization. These comparisons make me laugh. Ktm is a race bike, AT is a big XR trail bike. It all depends on what features are important to you.
What part of the 890 has poor reliability?
I see!🤠
You don’t know what your talking about I’ve owned both sold the Honda kept the KTM 890 adventure r lol your funny
yeah, bullshit reaction. I had a lot of problems with my KTM but i was just very very unlucky. and none of the issues where a big problem offroad in the middle of nowhere except one that needed the dealer (but was done on the 600 mile maintenance anyway).
The KTM adventure R is a way higher level than the AT for trials, but I do think an AT will outlast a KTM though..
If you want to compare a 1100 to a ktm get the 1290 adv R but this requires balls and/or skill.
Where do I start? The Honda guy in a T shirt with a modest “Honda logo”and the ktm guy in a fancy KTM jacket. I know a 2023 owner has to cycle the power regularly when the signal lights fail to work, rims leak air, the engine sounds like it’s going to fall apart, very tall, had to have mods done to make this “premium” bike useable. He was disappointed in how much he’s had to do to it. Talk about drinking the orange koolaid, you ktm guys are religious. I’ll take my AT anywhere that KTM will go and probably farther and cheaper.
You sound so french 😆
Merci !
Wow what a weird, odd review lol
I have a BMW 1250GS Adventure so I have no axe to grind here but anybody wanting to use their bike for travel over any type of ground over distance would be an absolute fool to get KTM 890 over an Africa Twin 🌍, the guy in the Honda T shirt looked afraid to speak lol 😆
I have owned the KTM 890 and you better believe me when I tell you these bikes ARE ! unpredictable when it comes to to reliability I kid you not !
The Ktm 890 may win in an off road race ?? But over a 500 mile trek, give me an Africa Twin every day of the week and twice on Sunday, lol there is NO COMPARISON, I would even put the Africa Twin up against my BMW 1250GS ADVENTURE but for its slightly uncomfortable seat on a long haul , PLEASE don't listen to this weird review ????
You can see CLEARLY by body language this is set up !
Great advice.
You were right it was all staged , how did the camera know when to show up ?
#conspiracy #flatearthforever
@@northof49adv
🤣🤣what does that even mean 😳 😕??
Didn't you bring the camera with you 🤔 or did it have a bike of its own , maybe another KTM 890 for when the first one brakes down , tell me are the electrics covered yet under warranty or is it still only mechanical coverage 🤔 😉 😳
As far as I'm aware Honda have FULL coverage in THEIR warranty but let's not forget how savage the KTM 890 is , how many times did you tell us that ?? 🤣🤣