You right about the three points.Sometimes field position is more valuable than three points. Chief’s forwards were outstanding.Reds are young team they will come again. Les Kiss has done great job with the Reds.Harry Wilson was missed.
I think you are spot on about the 'foot on the throat' mentality in terms of going for 7 points. As a Hurricanes fan, I think we stumbled onto gold not having a 'world-class' kicker off the tee for a period, meaning we often chose this philosophy. At the time (around 2016) our team was stacked with attacking firepower in the backs and had a solid pack providing a great platform, making us so dangerous in set-piece scenarios. I think the confidence and belief the players had in themselves and their teammates created a mental edge that won us many games. It also meant we often got off to a flier, much like the Chiefs in this game, and forced opposing teams to play high-risk, high-reward rugby just to get back into the game and keep up with the speed at which we accumulated points. I genuinely believe teams should only be taking 3 points when they are trying to stall for time (ie they have a man in the bin) or at the end of games (to eat up the clock or extend the margin outside of 1 score). Would be interested to know what u think.
I agree, i think 3 points should only be taken at times of disadvantage or nearing the end of the game. Or if the teams defense is way too good for your attack and u couldnt score after trying.
I think the 7 point mentality has been at the forefront for NZ rugby for sometime now being one of the initiatives to come out of the John Mitchell era. Defences are a bit subdued at pro club level so it works well when executed as such but she's a different beast at test level. Rule alterations aside, I think the biggest dynamic change in the way teams are shifting towards running rugby (well, more than usual that is), is that teams are fielding faster and more skilful forwards! Something I think will be a clear contrast when the rugby championship kicks off
I think the ball handling across the board has improved. And its allowing teams to smash 20 phases with no issues. Which is opening up these try opportunties
@@Wildkard Definitely. The specialist game has changed somewhat to suit running/adaptive rugby. Sure NZers are scoring more tries but as this game has shown, the defensive end is rubbish. I see the ABs taking a bit of a hit in the defensive area this year. An area I think the Wallabies will be better at under Schmidt. If they teach their 10s how to tackle and improve their ball skills, this is gonna be a goodyear for Rugby...... Man how good is Hoops gonna be if he's fit next year?
Mate, Anton set the tone, the crew responded, that offload from Emoni was sublime, setting up a gimme second try for Slam, it's my pick for try of the season so far. The Red's were up against it, but kept fighting, I saw a lot to like, but I think the Chief's were unstoppable tonight, great game.
@@Wildkard nah bugger off, I'm just a fan, that's a question for those getting paid the big bucks, I get to criticise when they make a mistake, and bathe in the joy when they get it right
Biggest difference in this reds pack was the lack of kicking. I think in the past we had kicked a lot more to the cheifs and put their backs under pressure but this match they almost had 2 kicks for every 1 of ours.
Wow!! What a absolute masterclass from the Mighty CHIEFS! Fair play to the Reds for that little comeback at the 2nd half, but the Chiefs was on top at the end. I think the man of the match goes to Chiefs no.2 Samasoi Tauk'aho. The other 2 stand outs that I Saw was No.10 Damein McKenzie, and No.13 Anton Lennert Brown. As a Chiefs fan myself, I notice that the new Reds Coach from this year Les Kiss, turned a 8th-place Reds team from last year in 2023, into a Quarter-Finalist team this year. I think the Mighty Chiefs will now face the Hurricanes in the Super Rugby Pasifika Semi-Finals.
@@Wildkard Oops sorry about that error. What I meant to say was that Les Kiss transformed a much better Reds side than last year under New Zealand born/ ex-All Black Brad Thorn. Don't you think?
Chiefs were front foot and not deep passing consistantly all game, lovely change. Pro-active defence putting pressure on which buckled the reds early for possession and field position. A bunch of those turnover stats are squashed into the chiefs early dominance period. Chiefs 28points up in 22 minutes then reds lost to scoreboard pressure despite some good fight when they could have easily capitulated.
Obviously disappointing for the reds, they looked quite shocked and nervous early on, still think its been a good season for them though and hopefully they can make it further next year.
Did not expect Jazz Lounge Philosophy with Wildkard today but I’m here for it
new format to the show!
You right about the three points.Sometimes field position is more valuable than three points.
Chief’s forwards were outstanding.Reds are young team they will come again.
Les Kiss has done great job with the Reds.Harry Wilson was missed.
Les has done a great job, when brad thorn left i thought reds might be in a slump but les took it forward!
The best part about kicking for a lineout is even if you knock it on or lose the lineout the territory is gained. Its hard to get out of your own half
Thats very good point its not over so easily
I think you are spot on about the 'foot on the throat' mentality in terms of going for 7 points. As a Hurricanes fan, I think we stumbled onto gold not having a 'world-class' kicker off the tee for a period, meaning we often chose this philosophy. At the time (around 2016) our team was stacked with attacking firepower in the backs and had a solid pack providing a great platform, making us so dangerous in set-piece scenarios. I think the confidence and belief the players had in themselves and their teammates created a mental edge that won us many games. It also meant we often got off to a flier, much like the Chiefs in this game, and forced opposing teams to play high-risk, high-reward rugby just to get back into the game and keep up with the speed at which we accumulated points. I genuinely believe teams should only be taking 3 points when they are trying to stall for time (ie they have a man in the bin) or at the end of games (to eat up the clock or extend the margin outside of 1 score). Would be interested to know what u think.
I agree, i think 3 points should only be taken at times of disadvantage or nearing the end of the game. Or if the teams defense is way too good for your attack and u couldnt score after trying.
I think the 7 point mentality has been at the forefront for NZ rugby for sometime now being one of the initiatives to come out of the John Mitchell era. Defences are a bit subdued at pro club level so it works well when executed as such but she's a different beast at test level.
Rule alterations aside, I think the biggest dynamic change in the way teams are shifting towards running rugby (well, more than usual that is), is that teams are fielding faster and more skilful forwards! Something I think will be a clear contrast when the rugby championship kicks off
I think the ball handling across the board has improved. And its allowing teams to smash 20 phases with no issues. Which is opening up these try opportunties
@@Wildkard Definitely. The specialist game has changed somewhat to suit running/adaptive rugby. Sure NZers are scoring more tries but as this game has shown, the defensive end is rubbish. I see the ABs taking a bit of a hit in the defensive area this year. An area I think the Wallabies will be better at under Schmidt. If they teach their 10s how to tackle and improve their ball skills, this is gonna be a goodyear for Rugby......
Man how good is Hoops gonna be if he's fit next year?
Mate, Anton set the tone, the crew responded, that offload from Emoni was sublime, setting up a gimme second try for Slam, it's my pick for try of the season so far. The Red's were up against it, but kept fighting, I saw a lot to like, but I think the Chief's were unstoppable tonight, great game.
great game indeed mate, reds where snoozing and it was over before half time haha good prospect for the future tho
@@Wildkard They dug deep and rallied, fought tooth and nail, I have a fair idea of who'll get a gold jersey
@@SeamusDunmaggotin whos your 2 loose head
@@Wildkard nah bugger off, I'm just a fan, that's a question for those getting paid the big bucks, I get to criticise when they make a mistake, and bathe in the joy when they get it right
The Chief's 3rd try was an amazing piece of physical dexterity, the Reds were pretty much done in the first 30 minutes
yeah that accuracy from the kicks too good man
Biggest difference in this reds pack was the lack of kicking. I think in the past we had kicked a lot more to the cheifs and put their backs under pressure but this match they almost had 2 kicks for every 1 of ours.
Thats true but kicking game has always been dangerous to play against nz counter attacks
Wow!! What a absolute masterclass from the Mighty CHIEFS! Fair play to the Reds for that little comeback at the 2nd half, but the Chiefs was on top at the end. I think the man of the match goes to Chiefs no.2 Samasoi Tauk'aho. The other 2 stand outs that I Saw was No.10 Damein McKenzie, and No.13 Anton Lennert Brown.
As a Chiefs fan myself, I notice that the new Reds Coach from this year Les Kiss, turned a 8th-place Reds team from last year in 2023, into a Quarter-Finalist team this year. I think the Mighty Chiefs will now face the Hurricanes in the Super Rugby Pasifika Semi-Finals.
8th place was quarterfinals team too last year haha and it was against the cheifs did u forget mate? i thought u never forget
@@Wildkard Oops sorry about that error. What I meant to say was that Les Kiss transformed a much better Reds side than last year under New Zealand born/ ex-All Black Brad Thorn. Don't you think?
@@ryansimms31 absolutely mate! we're coming for the bledisloe cup!
@@Wildkard Nah the Mighty All Blacks will slice through the Wallabies as per usual, and to win the Bledisole Cup.
@@ryansimms31 dont forget joe schmidt ended irelands losing run against the Ab
Quality interpretation mfondin, I hope you'll one day make lots of money from your IP, IQ& EQ. I love your work.
Im in the wrong industry to make a tonne of money 🤣
Experience won the game for the chiefs, the reds will be better off in the long run for this loss. Doesn’t mean I’m not utterly gutted though.
its alright mate we won the origin series in 7 mins
Chiefs were front foot and not deep passing consistantly all game, lovely change. Pro-active defence putting pressure on which buckled the reds early for possession and field position. A bunch of those turnover stats are squashed into the chiefs early dominance period.
Chiefs 28points up in 22 minutes then reds lost to scoreboard pressure despite some good fight when they could have easily capitulated.
Reds did look out of it and chiefs punished big time
Obviously disappointing for the reds, they looked quite shocked and nervous early on, still think its been a good season for them though and hopefully they can make it further next year.
yeah much better than last year, a lot of young talents coming through
Chiefs did a great job of keeping Fraser Mcreight out of the rucks
There was very limited contest from the reds all around
Ben Okeefe was horrible
Chiefs took it to another level tonight. Reds would've had to play perfect but got beaten soundly at the collision and ruck.
Ruck was so bad mate, just wide open for the picking all game
Tom Lynagh.😂
This guy is cooked.😂
Too many of em
Hopefully reds get Carter Gordon, Kellaway and LSL for next year.
Haha probably dont need another fly half
Chiefs played exciting rugby. Though may not be as effective against stronger defence sides
Thats true. But the work rate is very high from their key players like jacobson and ALB
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Ops the thumb nail failed🤣🤭
This game was always gonna be won and lost at the breakdown. The Chiefs executed it way better.
100% mate 👍
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