2024 Player's Handbook: Sorcerer reaction video D&D 5.24

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    Timestamps:
    0:00 Intro
    1:18 Base Class (not much here)
    11:53 Aberrant Mind and Clockwork (or here)
    16:44 Draconic Sorcerer
    25:42 Wild Magic
    36:02 Less reason to hate Wild Magic
    37:02 More wild magic
    40:17 Wrap up
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Komentáře • 374

  • @stecon5
    @stecon5 Před 15 dny +326

    Just wanted to say it’s so cool that you are picking up ~25% of the total audience watching these release videos. That’s a cool benchmark for where your channel has reached, and a testament to the value you add to the community.

    • @TreantmonksTemple
      @TreantmonksTemple  Před 15 dny +97

      I've been thrilled at the response to these!

    • @SamanthaVimes177
      @SamanthaVimes177 Před 15 dny +10

      @@stecon5 I wonder if he actually is picking up 25%. I watch both and it makes me wonder how many more people there are like me.

    • @Magnushamann
      @Magnushamann Před 15 dny +21

      @@SamanthaVimes177 I only watch Chris' walkthrough
      I have followed some of the playtest but lost interest halfway through it. I am not as such interested in Todd and Jeremy's advertising talk. But keen on hearing Chris' take on the new stuff. I am pretty sure I am not going to play DnD 2024. But I am interested in hearing Chris' analysis of the content.

    • @michaeljpastor
      @michaeljpastor Před 15 dny +1

      @@Magnushamann I count as a double count there, but not with all of the videos. It depends on if I catch the day's video. I'm guessing it's a small percentage.

    • @lmsimao77
      @lmsimao77 Před 14 dny +1

      So they removed the flexibility of changing a spell per level of the expanded list... maybe it is for the best...

  • @DnDDeepDive
    @DnDDeepDive Před 15 dny +147

    I was shocked at how much they glossed over! Still think sorcs are my new favorite full caster though :)

    • @bigaj6901
      @bigaj6901 Před 15 dny +12

      Fancy seeing you here! Excited to see the next collab video you two are cooking up 👀

    • @DrAndrewJBlack
      @DrAndrewJBlack Před 12 dny +2

      Ditto! The Sorcerer is definitely one of my new favorites

  • @scotthalfhill7501
    @scotthalfhill7501 Před 15 dny +120

    So sorcerer gets to cast these higher level spells without concentration, and it's OK, but God forbid the Ranger cast their level 1 Hunter's Mark without concentration. THAT WOULD BREAK THE GAME!

    • @MaMastoast
      @MaMastoast Před 15 dny +15

      Very strange

    • @TrixyTrixter
      @TrixyTrixter Před 14 dny +9

      Yeah, that is the dumbest bs. And gets homebrewed at any game I run.

    • @NoNameBoi9987
      @NoNameBoi9987 Před 14 dny +2

      Came here to say the same thing

    • @dominicleclerc1343
      @dominicleclerc1343 Před 13 dny +1

      In my homebrew it was favored foe that lost the concentration requisite, i also increased the number of daily uses by making it a short rest ability

    • @AndrewThoesen
      @AndrewThoesen Před 13 dny +8

      Literally just move concentrationless HM to a level 5 feature or something and the dip problem is solved.

  • @galensturupcomeau1242
    @galensturupcomeau1242 Před 15 dny +197

    All the transformation ones going off at once, you become a one eyed, one horned, flying purple potted plant

    • @brianj.841
      @brianj.841 Před 15 dny +20

      Better that than a one-eyed, one-horned, flying purple rock and roll star?

    • @onslaught147
      @onslaught147 Před 15 dny +16

      "Not again..."

    • @TreantmonksTemple
      @TreantmonksTemple  Před 15 dny +48

      Sure looks strange to me.

    • @whynaut1
      @whynaut1 Před 15 dny +3

      😆​@@TreantmonksTemple

    • @Clepto_and_Co
      @Clepto_and_Co Před 14 dny +3

      ​@@brianj.841 that's reserved for the bard/sorcerer multiclass

  • @20storiesunder
    @20storiesunder Před 15 dny +58

    Sorcorer and Wizard now stand apart mechanically as much as they do thematically. Such good changes.

    • @MrSeals1000
      @MrSeals1000 Před 15 dny +7

      They did good work to set sorcerers apart from wizards in the UA, even when they both shared the same spell list.
      Now that the spell lists are seperate again, it just cements what makes them different even more

  • @marimbaguy715
    @marimbaguy715 Před 15 dny +42

    Apparently there's going to be a video/videos on Warlock Invocations and Sorcerer Metamagic, so hopefully we get more detail then

    • @TreantmonksTemple
      @TreantmonksTemple  Před 15 dny +21

      I hadn't heard, that's great news!

    • @marimbaguy715
      @marimbaguy715 Před 15 dny +11

      ​@@TreantmonksTemple Someone said that Todd mentioned in in the live chat of today's video. Admittedly this is hearsay so take it with a grain of salt, but I hope it's true.

    • @jand.4737
      @jand.4737 Před 14 dny +1

      @@marimbaguy715 I hope it's true, too. Jeremy teased that all the metamagics got reworked, but didn't give examples. I predict the Careful spell metamagic now allows for 0 damage on succesful saves. I wonder if they kept the playtest version of Twinned spell.

  • @lydia8226
    @lydia8226 Před 15 dny +25

    Earlier I watched the original video on accident and was like "man I expected Chris to have more to say but he's being super quiet" only to realize after the video was already over what was happening

    • @danb6551
      @danb6551 Před 10 dny

      That sounds like a wake and bake story if I ever heard one

  • @maegn
    @maegn Před 15 dny +92

    OOOOOH YES! So excited about this vid!

    • @elementzero3379
      @elementzero3379 Před 15 dny +15

      Yeah, Jeremy gives wordy but vague presentations. I can't wait for Chris to release the floodgates and put meat onto the patchwork skeletons they've been sharing.

    • @TreantmonksTemple
      @TreantmonksTemple  Před 15 dny +50

      The could have titled this video NEW DRACONIC AND WILD MAGIC SUBCLASSES

    • @maegn
      @maegn Před 15 dny +7

      @@TreantmonksTemple EXACTLY! But we didn’t really even get the specifics for them!

    • @2099Spartan
      @2099Spartan Před 15 dny +1

      Will the shadow sorcerer be back?​@@TreantmonksTemple

    • @tylermcconnell1303
      @tylermcconnell1303 Před 15 dny +1

      @@2099Spartan Not in the 2024 PHB, no. It will almost certainly come back in a later source book. Until then, you can ask your DM to let you use the old version, since supposedly that works, we will see.

  • @solowolf7418
    @solowolf7418 Před 15 dny +48

    I imagine myself as Palpatine screaming “Unlimited power!” as I unleash innate sorcery and arcane apotheosis to destroy my foes! 😂😈

  • @malmasterson3890
    @malmasterson3890 Před 15 dny +72

    Officially my new favorite Full Caster. Innate Sorcery was genuinely one of my favorite new features in the playtest.

    • @Razdasoldier
      @Razdasoldier Před 15 dny +13

      @@malmasterson3890 What is innate sorcery? I have SPELL RAGE!

    • @kongoaurius
      @kongoaurius Před 15 dny +7

      I feel like it should improve at later levels like giving +2 to DC for spells or something

    • @malmasterson3890
      @malmasterson3890 Před 15 dny +11

      @@kongoaurius I mean, in comparison to the way Rage scales it would be severely broken. A +1 to your spell save DC is infinitely better than a +1 damage to your attacks. I think that the features you get later that add on to Innate Sorcery is more than enough. A Sorcerer will always appreciate an extra +1 to DC & Adv on atk no matter the level.

    • @Razdasoldier
      @Razdasoldier Před 15 dny

      @@kongoaurius sorcerer can get to 30dc with disadv on saves

    • @CalebAtkins
      @CalebAtkins Před 15 dny

      Advantage on spell attacks after a bonus action makes me think Bugbear Sorcerer for a nice Scorching Ray nova. Get Alert from a background, and take Fighter 2 at some point for Action Surge. Transmute spell to avoid Fire resistance. Worked well on Scribes Wizard, and would be even better with advantage to attacks.

  • @JasonTaylor-ro8ei
    @JasonTaylor-ro8ei Před 15 dny +20

    These reaction videos are exactly what I would have asked for if I had the option to custom create how these reveals were presented. Thanks for everything you do for the community Chris!

  • @codydwyerify
    @codydwyerify Před 15 dny +44

    It's not just Tides of Chaos: Wild Magic Surge itself says the DM "can" ask you to roll for Wild Magic, so you can technically never use any of the subclass features other than Tides of Chaos 1/day and Spell Bombardment.

    • @undine120
      @undine120 Před 14 dny

      As a DM, my call previously was if you use Tides, on a future spell cast, roll a die - evens surge, odds no surge. Balanced out for the situations in which folks would just spam the advantage every turn on things like chromatic orb, without making it so that no wild magic ever happened, either.

    • @codydwyerify
      @codydwyerify Před 14 dny

      I think I would make them roll every time they used a spell slot for a surge and if they roll the spell slot level or lower it's a surge.
      As a player, if I'm playing a wild magic sorcerer, I am doing it because I want to roll on that table.
      I understand mechanically it's an important feature, but I typically forget Tides of Chaos exists.

  • @Razdasoldier
    @Razdasoldier Před 15 dny +32

    Me all reveal season: If they keep spell rage the same my first character is a wildmagic sorcerer
    Me after this reveal: Yup

  • @TheSinginSmash
    @TheSinginSmash Před 15 dny +20

    I know exactly what they didn't talk about that you can't say right now. Got to be that they removed the ability to change out spells on your subclass spell list because that would be a significant nerf. I mean that's the reason why clockwork soul is so powerful it's the ability to remove some of the less desirable spells and include the better ones like shield and counterspell, etc.

    • @whynaut1
      @whynaut1 Před 15 dny +4

      That's my guess too

    • @SortKaffe
      @SortKaffe Před 15 dny +8

      I assume the same. That is an over-tuning of extended spell lists that they most likely don't want to keep now that they give it to all sorcerer subclasses going forward.

  • @SamiJ1508
    @SamiJ1508 Před 15 dny +6

    Tracking an enemy and getting an extra clickety clack: must use concentration.
    A fucking dragon: no concentration needed.
    Ok wizards of the coast. Ok

  • @xkakasensei
    @xkakasensei Před 15 dny +30

    Thank you for all the hard work on this, Chris. It’s so helpful to get your commentary and the class reveals all in one place. Plus you drop these videos so fast!

  • @luiken3
    @luiken3 Před 15 dny +6

    I know its a long shot, but I really want the Sorcerous Burst cantrip that explodes on max dice to scale by 2d4.
    It would put it, at base, an edge stronger than a control attack cantrip and when exploding a little ahead of damage cantrips like Fire Bolt.
    Plus, d4 being the smallest die means your more likely to do the fun thing!
    Maybe if I don't like what they landed on I'll homebrew it 😆

  • @jamesknowles9236
    @jamesknowles9236 Před 15 dny +16

    Draconic was "such a beloved subclass" in 2014 because wildmagic sucked so hard and there was no other option.

    • @iolair1973
      @iolair1973 Před 15 dny +5

      Wild Magic is great! But I can see it's a bit "out there" and not for every table.

    • @TheDragonOfWhi
      @TheDragonOfWhi Před 15 dny +4

      ​@@iolair1973 wild magic is awful.

  • @godzilagiroflex
    @godzilagiroflex Před 15 dny +14

    Okay, Draconic Sorcerer now compete with other Sorcerer subclasses and that's cool, BUT what I really want to know is if they can compete with Evocation Wizard at being a blaster because man, i've played both subclass and I reallly couldn't make a single argument to go Draconic Sorcerer instead of Evocation (and also compete at being a dragon, the first time I played a campaing to level 20 we had the biggest bruh moment ever at our table when the Divination Wizard could turn into a Adult Gold Dragon but the Draconic Sorcerer couldn't)

  • @OrangeTitan2
    @OrangeTitan2 Před 15 dny +17

    Storm/divine soul. Two that needed updates the most to match up with current standards vs aberrant mind and clockwork soul with very little changes and easy to port over already.
    Guess I’ll just tempestuous magic myself out of here.
    That said. Storm/weather stuff is so missing from this book that I feel like a storm based book is in the works. But with celestial warlock I thought divine soul would have been a nice tag along buddy

    • @TreantmonksTemple
      @TreantmonksTemple  Před 15 dny +12

      I feel like Circle of the Sea druids have eaten up Storm Sorcerer.

    • @OrangeTitan2
      @OrangeTitan2 Před 15 dny +4

      @@TreantmonksTempleI certainly hope not. thematically my favourite subclass.😢

  • @elementzero3379
    @elementzero3379 Před 15 dny +11

    I'm happy to hear you say that the gap between strongest and weakest (casters and martials) has been noticeably narrowed. It feels that way on the outside looking in, and I'm glad to hear you say it.
    It's also good to hear that Sorcerers and Warlocks seem so evenly balanced between themselves. I'm a Wizard player (who also enjoys Sorcerers), but like you I've long wanted to see the gap narrowed.
    I'm eager to read the spells. They gave us nothing on that front. I can't wait to see the details and your opinions on spells and spellcasting in August!

  • @FlareGlutox
    @FlareGlutox Před 15 dny +7

    Speaking about playtests, I quite enjoyed seeing Knotkwightrite the Wild Magic Sorcerer standing in lava on purpose to show off his fire immunity, then blasting himself with a fireball on top of that while his epic theme song played in the background.

  • @JustinShands
    @JustinShands Před 15 dny +5

    So glad they eased up the Wild Surge table... I could never play the 2014 version knowing I might TPK my party trying to cast Mage Armor.

  • @pranakhan
    @pranakhan Před 15 dny +18

    How all of these changes will affect D&DBeyond is the elephant in the room. Considering they never got the base Sorcerer to work correctly within D&DB, for those that had access to spells they could change out, I have a concern for how all of these new options are going to function.
    I liked the spells of Aberrant Sorcerer, I just wish the lore was more open to Psionic themes instead of creepy, slimy Cthulhu magic

    • @jamesknapp64
      @jamesknapp64 Před 15 dny +2

      Metamagic doesn't work on Foundry (or at least the build my DM usages)

    • @MrSeals1000
      @MrSeals1000 Před 15 dny +2

      It's really odd that they never implemented it for sorcerers.
      Because it's something that took me an hour to do and make it work using their subclass builder. And they do things beyond what the builder can do all the time

    • @Tehbestestevasss
      @Tehbestestevasss Před 15 dny +2

      I think Chris hinting that Aberrant and Clockwork were nerfed is exactly related to this feature. I think that the ability to swap spells out from your subclass spell list got removed entirely. Which, I mean yeah, I get. Was a lot for new players to understand (even if it was so fun to do for us who already understood).

  • @strunkshade
    @strunkshade Před 15 dny +7

    Thanks Treantmonk, just finished listening to the monk video so now I'll get onto this one! Appreciate your honest reviews and insights like always ❤

  • @aperson9556
    @aperson9556 Před 15 dny +10

    I can’t wait for Chris’ assessment of the wild magic table

  • @Wonderwall627
    @Wonderwall627 Před 14 dny +2

    Other classes: look everyone, we are trying to balance the classes
    Sorcerer first feature: Haha no we are not

  • @tylercrum
    @tylercrum Před 15 dny +10

    Love the videos Chris!! I CANNOT WAIT for the detailed videos coming in August!

  • @palexinchina
    @palexinchina Před 14 dny +3

    I've watched several of these videos and this time I've turned Todd's verbal contributions into a drinking game: every time he gives a one word filler response ("yeah, right, mhmm, perfect") I take a drink. I'm already buzzed and ain't even at the subclasses yet🎉

  • @KCajukev
    @KCajukev Před 15 dny +4

    Sorcerer becomes a very interesting 1 level dip for Bards who want to deal some melee damage like Valor Bard. Advantage Booming Blade & GFB (or True Strike if those are not printed) are a hugely significant DPR boost. Fingers crossed that subclass gets some love because its UA was quite underwhelming...

  • @s.p.1434
    @s.p.1434 Před 15 dny +5

    Something else to point out. With the new changes to Heroic Inspiration, you can now also use it to rereoll a bad effect on the Wild Magic table.
    The ability I am most curious about though is the new ability to recover sorcery points. If it is simply what was shown in the playtest it's woefully insufficient.

  • @Jnom73
    @Jnom73 Před 15 dny +2

    Love to see this channel getting a bump. This is easily the most underrated D&D channel on CZcams

  • @CivilWarMan
    @CivilWarMan Před 15 dny +6

    A thought occurred to me while watching this. A part of me was thinking that the order of class reveals was a bit weird, since I don't see any real pattern. It's not alphabetically, or by class type, or anything I could really pick out.
    Then I started to think about the community's reception, and I think they are doing a Hype Sandwich. Basically open with classes that you know will be received well, close with classes that you know will be received well, and sandwich the controversial changes in the middle. I saw a bunch of positive reception at the start, a lot of dissatisfaction with specifically Paladin and Ranger, and am starting to see the positivity return this week.
    If so, it's a pretty savvy marketing move. Start off strong so you don't immediately sour first impressions and wrap up strong to end with some hype, and the less popular stuff in the middle won't ever be too fresh in people's minds.

  • @juggernautjd
    @juggernautjd Před 15 dny +5

    I am so excited to play the 2024 version! I love these reaction videos too, I probably wouldn’t even watch these videos if Chris didn’t comment on them!As a casual player, I hope D&D gets super popular again!

  • @SortKaffe
    @SortKaffe Před 15 dny +27

    Looks great! So happy about always prepared extended spell lists for every subclass (except Wild Magic, it would be too reliable of course)

    • @kongoaurius
      @kongoaurius Před 15 dny +4

      I think it can be even more reliable if you are human since they get inspiration for free and now you could technically use it to reroll a surge

  • @Claviceptic
    @Claviceptic Před 15 dny +6

    I've been more excited for this one than any of the others. Thanks for your hard work, Chris! It's been great to hear your reactions to these videos.

  • @Commodore468
    @Commodore468 Před 15 dny +7

    Signature spell with no concentration, what an idea, I bet they won’t leave out a glaring exception to that

    • @rayindc2074
      @rayindc2074 Před 14 dny +1

      I'm guessing you mean Hunter's Mark for the Ranger, and I agree 100%.

  • @shrapnelsponge
    @shrapnelsponge Před 15 dny +7

    Sorcerer was my first ever DnD character. Seems like he may have a triumphant return!

  • @Balcamion79
    @Balcamion79 Před 14 dny +1

    I've only seen wild magic in play in one campaign, and my DM was great at leaning into the subclass. He was always on board with the player utilizing the features and even included items, plot points, and other scenarios where it really made a difference.

  • @shakenbaker1989
    @shakenbaker1989 Před 15 dny +4

    Can’t wait for your new spell ranking tiers when the embargo is lifted!

  • @kongoaurius
    @kongoaurius Před 15 dny +5

    Isn't it wild that the channel Dingo Doodles became popular thanks a player rolling on the wild magic table? Life really can be unpredictable like that sometimes 😂

  • @odie4495
    @odie4495 Před 15 dny +4

    My favorite class! Thank you for covering this with you most valuable insight.

  • @Razdasoldier
    @Razdasoldier Před 15 dny +50

    Chris. I think I speak for everyone here in the comment section: We need the wild magic sorcerer table as soon as you are free to reveal it.

  • @DevinHandleyy
    @DevinHandleyy Před 15 dny +13

    Here early!!!!! Don’t think we’ll get much here. Hoping we do, especially hearing the beginning of your video! Thanks for your hard work like always!!
    Edit: judging purely off your reaction here. I’m afraid (for clockwork and Abberant) that you won’t be able to change spells off the free spell list that they get. Just my guess here but judging off facial expression and trying your most not to say anything but still trying to say something that would be my guess for the adjustment.
    Edit: now that the sorcerer has dropped on beyond sad to confirm that I was correct.

    • @kacin1292
      @kacin1292 Před 15 dny +4

      Yea, it's a very significant power nerf, but I think it's needed. It was already stronger than most wizards because you could have so many extra juicy powerful spells, I would put it in the top 5 subclasses in the game. With the large amount of buffs the class just got, even with the probable nerfs to the broken metamagic options, it would be way too strong and would easily overshadow the rest of the party.

    • @deathiscoming7
      @deathiscoming7 Před 15 dny +1

      This is exactly my thought when I got to that part. If that is the case I'm sticking with old version, because this change will suck tremendously

  • @BigDumbMeRC
    @BigDumbMeRC Před 15 dny +3

    My dm recently suggested your content to me and I gotta say thanks for the uploads, this series is super informative and gets me excited for my next monk lol

  • @bodhimofo
    @bodhimofo Před 14 dny +1

    Really looking forward to Wild Magic. Your outro framing sorcerers, wizards, and warlocks as close in relative power level has me hyped!

  • @user-ni7ji3fb8m
    @user-ni7ji3fb8m Před 15 dny +4

    I made "tank" subclass calculation for abjurer last time, but missed some point that i clarify this time. i will use average monster DPR based on Bixby book, as only closed reference to new CR power-level. For every class i calculated 3 numbers- first number is maximum extra Hit Points it grant at a time, second how much it give in total per long rest from feature alone (with 2 short rests), and third if it uses ALL spellslots included from arcane recovery to turn them into HP. For warlock it is potentially infinite, but i will take 24 combat rounds as maximum possible. And for the sorcerer i will assume that Clockwork spending all sorcery point on the ward and benefit from restoration to the maximum.
    At level 3
    Monster DPR: ~10
    Abjurer: 9/9/29
    Moon druid: 9/36/-
    Fiend Warlock: 6/144/-
    Clockwork Sorcerer: -
    At level 6
    Monster DPR: ~26
    Abjurer: 16/16/60
    Moon druid: 18/90/270
    Fiend Warlock: 10/240/-
    Clockwork Sorcerer: 22.5/63/148.5
    At level 10
    Monster DPR: ~36
    Abjurer: 25/25/117
    Moon druid: 30/150/600
    Fiend Warlock: 15/360/-
    Clockwork Sorcerer: 22.5/117/301.5
    So Clockwork Sorcerer is also much better abjurer than abjurer. And synergize with own expanded spell list or Armor of agathist. I dont know how Abjurer was printed like that, it cant survive a single hit. Every other "tank" caster is just better. But overall Moon Druid is the best and only valuable option to actually stay in melee as a caster.
    For the meme here calculation on Twilight domain with new cleric at level 6: 9.5/475/1425(it is also for whole party)... no comments

  • @drewenders150
    @drewenders150 Před 14 dny +1

    Great video. Really looking forward to your coverage for when more is revealed.

  • @slingshot009
    @slingshot009 Před 15 dny +3

    Thank you for adding some substance through analysis to these videos. Jeremy Crawford seems to have perfected the art of talking for an entire hour without actually saying anything. These reveal videos are becoming nothing but fluff. I half expect the Bard video to be an hour of talking about the artwork.

  • @abcrasshadow9341
    @abcrasshadow9341 Před 15 dny +8

    Sad to hear about the tashad subclass being reduced in power, I assume most of it comes from not being able to switch spells by school from any arcane class but it is probably now limited to the sorcerer only.
    This is my prediction now we wait for august -_-

    • @sir_gort
      @sir_gort Před 15 dny +3

      House rules introduce themselves

  • @ChristianW1975
    @ChristianW1975 Před 14 dny +1

    The main reason to the positive responses is of course your content. But I believe the fact that we can see you, adds to the succes as well. I think it brings a more complete viewing experience.

  • @tornagh9200
    @tornagh9200 Před 15 dny +9

    I am excited for the sorcerer changes but I feel that clockwork is a really bad fit thematically for sorcerer, and it is relatively recent anyway so doesn't need changes mechanically. I really wish that they had instead included shadow or divine soul (or both) since those will now just straight up suck until reworked.

  • @skullkrusher-dx4kg
    @skullkrusher-dx4kg Před 15 dny +3

    Im so happy summon dragon is back. Its my favorite spell for stars druids with the protected concentration.

  • @LurchLand
    @LurchLand Před 15 dny +2

    As a draconic bloodline sorcerer (with a 3 level dip in warlock), I am loving the changes.
    Back when i created my character at level 1, we were restricted to 2014 PHB subclasses. A new DM. Over time he got more comfortable with the game and opened up our options widely, but I'm pretty attached to the deaconic theme. So he honebrewed a bunch of "feats" to create bonus spells he figured were draconic themed. Fitting the aberration template, they were all within two schools of magic (transmutation and abjuration), and some are better than others.
    But i could trafe spells out at level up.
    The DM was suggesting we consider switching our existing characters to the 2024 versions, but was deciding if we would need to keep that homebrew bonus spells.
    Im very glad to hear that draconic spells are just built in now.
    Hopefully, I can trade out if i just get something that really doesn't work.

  • @MaMastoast
    @MaMastoast Před 15 dny +5

    Shame about the dragon wings. Them being permanent was a big part of why they were cool imo

  • @mitchu50
    @mitchu50 Před 15 dny +4

    My go to source for information always!

  • @Torynn777
    @Torynn777 Před 14 dny +1

    Great review Chris! Thanks for what you do!

  • @karlhoglund536
    @karlhoglund536 Před 15 dny +7

    I think Sorcerer looks very good overall. I'm really happy most subclasses are getting thematic subclass spells and really hope they continue the trend when creating new subclasses in the future. I guess my only complaint is that they didn't rework Storm Sorcerer, but that's just because it's one of my favorites and it totally deserves to get Call Lightning xD
    I'll also guess Twin Spell didn't return to the 2014 version considering the capstone, otherwise it'd be pretty insane.

    • @kongoaurius
      @kongoaurius Před 15 dny +4

      I wanted to see shadow sorcery so I can have a shadow pup that can protect me 😊

    • @SortKaffe
      @SortKaffe Před 15 dny +3

      At least Sea Druid delivers much better on the theme than Storm Sorcerer ever did.

  • @logancuster8035
    @logancuster8035 Před 15 dny +5

    Oh snap, are Clockwork and Aberrant not allowed to switch out their bonus spells anymore?!
    That would be so sad.

  • @TedSroka
    @TedSroka Před 15 dny +7

    Coffee and DnD with Treantmonk!

  • @StarRightStarTight
    @StarRightStarTight Před 15 dny +4

    I was hoping sorcerers would get that funky little cantrip they had in the playtest - or at least a version of it. Whomp whomp

    • @5-Volt
      @5-Volt Před 15 dny +1

      I figured they just didn't mention it.. As soon as I saw it Sorcererous Burst became my favorite damage cantrip.. I hope to god they didn't scrap it..

    • @StarRightStarTight
      @StarRightStarTight Před 14 dny +1

      @@5-Volt we’ll hope together! 🤞

  • @briang3598
    @briang3598 Před 15 dny +3

    That freeze-frame at 27 minutes in lol

  • @rodneygriffin7666
    @rodneygriffin7666 Před 15 dny +1

    I absolutely enjoy your channel.
    Thank you!

  • @crazyantz84
    @crazyantz84 Před 15 dny +3

    If I was to guess the nerf to clockwork and aberrant mind it is that they removed the option to swap the spells out for other abjuration/transmutation etc spells. And you just get what is on the list. So no more Armor of Agathys on the cloackwork sorc. :(

  • @burtonbarnett6293
    @burtonbarnett6293 Před 15 dny +4

    *Tilted head nod, smile* That’s perfect.

  • @buxtehudemuzik
    @buxtehudemuzik Před 15 dny +5

    Hey babe, wake up! A new Treantmonk reaction just dropped!

  • @whynaut1
    @whynaut1 Před 15 dny +3

    Treantmonk said that Aberrant and Clockwork got a nerf. He also said that the Draconic spell list was arguably better than Aberrant Mind's. My guess is that you can't swap out spells from their lists anymore

  • @benjaminrheault4998
    @benjaminrheault4998 Před 15 dny +6

    Looking forward to August 1st!

  • @SmurfeyBlues
    @SmurfeyBlues Před 15 dny +1

    My sorcerers are all superheroes, specifically The X-Men. Happy he mentioned it while distinguishing RP between casters. Excited to see the changes to Clockwork and Aberrant. 🤓

  • @foldionepapyrus3441
    @foldionepapyrus3441 Před 15 dny +2

    Movement speeds are always important if you have the tactical skill to use it, but reliably always on flight even if slow is great as well. I'd call that a wash in power myself, but I'd rather have always on flight in most cases here - it just fits the theme and flavour so much better IMO.

  • @twalkerisaacson3637
    @twalkerisaacson3637 Před 15 dny +1

    Ahh yes, the real video I was waiting for today.

  • @theonlykano1462
    @theonlykano1462 Před 15 dny +2

    oh nooooo. my favorite was the clockwork soul...... 😮‍💨 great work Treantmonk!

    • @MrSeals1000
      @MrSeals1000 Před 15 dny +2

      "So Abberant Sorcery and Clockwork Sorcery were both so *beloved* and so *solid* that they have made the migration _intact."_
      "The core functionality, the things you love, are still there."
      😂 so that was a lieeee

  • @Anodynum
    @Anodynum Před 15 dny

    I can't wait for your analysis on which class is "objectively" the most powerful after you're able to reveal everything in August! Thanks for continuing to be the best source of D&D information

  • @robertlavallee8358
    @robertlavallee8358 Před 15 dny

    I get the feeling that spell swapping in Aberrant and Clockwork are gone which makes since and puts them more in line with other classes with extra preparations like Cleric and now Warlock
    Thanks so much for making these videos Chris they have been giving me something to look forward to throughout the week!!!
    I can’t wait to see everything you reveal in August

  • @Garresh1
    @Garresh1 Před 15 dny +1

    Excited about the wild magic changes. It was incredibly fun if you had DM buy in. I ran a Life Cleric 1/Wild Sorcerer X build that was the ultimate support with Twin Metamagic, Boosted Healing, etc. It was amazing because I was the best person for getting the party out of OR into trouble. Good times.

  • @larrystoll5368
    @larrystoll5368 Před 15 dny +2

    I just hope that turning into a potted plant is still number 42 on the table.

  • @Nikotheos
    @Nikotheos Před 15 dny

    Chris in the house dropping facts and coffee like a mad man! 🎉

  • @captainrelyk
    @captainrelyk Před 15 dny +3

    I hope they kept the bonus to charisma checks with dragon NPCs, I’m tired of all the features being combat focused. It’s nice to have a social feature that fits the subclass

  • @goblin12
    @goblin12 Před 15 dny

    great video love these reaction videos cant wait for the bard best wishes

  • @guamae
    @guamae Před 15 dny +6

    I *think* I know what the "objective power reduction" for Clockwork and Aberrant Mind is... And I'm glad!
    Thanks again for doing these!

    • @SortKaffe
      @SortKaffe Před 15 dny +8

      I hope it's removing the ability to exchange spells on the extended spell list. I love extended spell lists due to the challenge of finding use for spells that I wouldn't normally prepare. They're what ensure that subclasses provide different experiences than just playing another arcane spellcaster with the same set of top tier spells that you always pick.

    • @guamae
      @guamae Před 15 dny +2

      @@SortKaffe yeah, that's my guess/hope as well. The way Clerics do Domain spells was always good. Just give that to Sorcerers (and Warlocks).

  • @nathones
    @nathones Před 14 dny +1

    I feel like the Tasha sorcerers weren’t beloved for their flavor but for power level, most notably their extended spell options

  • @rayindc2074
    @rayindc2074 Před 14 dny +1

    To me it would have been cool if they'd made Sorcerer a Constitution caster. That fit nicely with the "innate caster" thing.

  • @corakie4488
    @corakie4488 Před 15 dny

    Yeaaaaah!! Thanks Chris 🎉

  • @fatgumthegoat
    @fatgumthegoat Před 15 dny

    the sorcerer got a lot of love in this playtest im really looking forward to what made it through

  • @jacobmichaelcambaliza
    @jacobmichaelcambaliza Před 14 dny

    Definitely going Wild Magic for my first PC. LOVE the insanity that can ensue.

  • @mikecarson7769
    @mikecarson7769 Před 15 dny

    Will be fun (during August?) to learn your thoughts about the comparisons of the spellcasters

  • @guilhermemelo3760
    @guilhermemelo3760 Před 15 dny +2

    As long as Tasha's mind whip is still in the book I am happy to play aberrant mind

  • @seanw8643
    @seanw8643 Před 15 dny

    Really hope an article comes up about this, they left a lot out just from the play test alone

  • @haukionkannel
    @haukionkannel Před 14 dny

    The wild magic sounds so cool now! Did get urge to play one…

  • @timhaldane7588
    @timhaldane7588 Před 14 dny

    Wow. Sorcerers got some seriously cool new features. Sure would be nice if they'd spent this kind of time on the Ranger.

  • @solowolf7418
    @solowolf7418 Před 15 dny +1

    Flight is a huge advantage. As long as it’s a decent duration and doesn’t require concentration I am ok with it

    • @TreantmonksTemple
      @TreantmonksTemple  Před 15 dny +3

      Yeah, if you have to concentrate you might as well just cast fly.

  • @KiallVunMyeret
    @KiallVunMyeret Před 14 dny

    Really surprised they revealed as little as they did. I'd have thought they atleast would go over some meta magic option.
    Still really excitted for it, sorcerer has always been my favorite and i'm loving what i'm hearing of the changes

  • @dabigsexc2316
    @dabigsexc2316 Před 15 dny

    a minute ago! i finally caught it right away.

  • @Ricardo-zo1ti
    @Ricardo-zo1ti Před 15 dny

    The fact that they said so little has me even more hyped for the release!

  • @leslierobinson8724
    @leslierobinson8724 Před 12 dny

    So, the Dnd article on the Sorcerer just came out, and yep there were changes. I don't like the nerfs to the Aberrant Mind and Clockwork Soul, not being able to switch out the initial spell list incantations is a large blow though I understand the reasons for the change. Meta magic is better (mostly), and there was no mention of the two new spells exclusive to the class - Sorcerous Burst, and Arcane Eruption hopefully they are still available. I encourage everyone interested to go check out the article. Take care all.

    • @malmasterson3890
      @malmasterson3890 Před 11 dny

      I came back to say the same, and yeah it's unfortunate but not unexpected. Given where they went with the Bard & Magic Initiate, it makes sense that this was something they wanted to enforce wholesale whilst keeping features like this uniform so there's no confusion. If Arcane Eruption is in the book then it was worth it imo.😊

  • @user-nz7uz9ts7s
    @user-nz7uz9ts7s Před 15 dny +3

    Feels to me like we got almost no new information - guess we'll have to wait for you to drop your vid's. Sorcerer first please :)

  • @5-Volt
    @5-Volt Před 14 dny

    Really glad the redid the wild surge table. I was worried that they were gonna just copy-paste it from the 2014 like they implied in the UA.

  • @maybevoldemort8995
    @maybevoldemort8995 Před 15 dny +1

    Really interested for this one. I thought the playtest was fascinating but not sure where they were actually going to go with it

  • @artmango5088
    @artmango5088 Před 14 dny

    just watched the official sorcerer video now here to see what additional information and thoughts you have to add and just got taken out by the line '2014 sorcerers had a reputation of being weak.' HUH??? THEY WERE??? im playing a 2014 sorcerer at the minute and never got that feeling at all. thats crazy to me, but i guess i've never played with people who optimise.
    thank you for making these breakdowns!

  • @user-ey9jr7me4k
    @user-ey9jr7me4k Před 12 dny

    Banger