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Stephen Kinzer "The Brothers"
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- čas přidán 2. 10. 2013
- To understand U.S. involvement in conflicts ranging from Guatemala to Congo to Vietnam, it's necessary to look at the lives of the Dulles brothers, John Foster, who was secretary of state, and Alan, who headed the CIA. But to see what motivated these men, Kinzer argues in this dual biography and socio-political history, you need to consider America's enduring self-image as the lone gunman, bringing order to lawless territories.
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I wish the average age of the audience at this talk wasn’t 80 years old. This is the type of stuff we need younger generations learning.
Agreed. But imagine the age of the CZcams audience. I wonder what that is.
@@MAFion Probably still in the 40+ demo at least.
I’m 26, the YT age is around my generation I’d imagine HOWEVER, the average person my generation is not watching videos that would dig this up as a suggestion. I found out about The Dulles brothers on Twitter and went on my search
Your President is 89 years old.
@@Johnconno young or old many presidents in the US campaign one way then tote an unfortunately usual line.
Great lecture. As someone already wrote, this should be shown, or the story told, in every American high school and college.
Critical race theory is more important
When this video has 2,000,000 views, I'll feel a lot better about our chances. This should be mandatory viewing for every citizen. Thank you for your hard work, Mr. Kinzer.
Yeah, because that's not at all like the thinking against which Kinzer is inveighing...
I occasionally circulate/hang out with people under the age of 40...I am 75....and I am appalled by the lack of interest they show, in the area of politics, history, etc....but they know a lot about skateboarding, and cell phones!....if intelligence means anything, then our country is doomed.
Look at the audience... they are not all that old.
@@gary100dm Depending upon the age of the viewer, they may well seem ancient. When I was in my 20's, 30's and up until a serious accident changed my life in 2014 I was at events like this constantly. I managed several independent bookstores that both were Leftist/labor in outlook. I booked and hosted these events
and good lord do I miss them!
Stephen Kinzer is a great storyteller. I will order the book right now.
This book is a page turner. I most enjoyed erading about the clandestine shinanegans around WWI and WWII. Mr. Kinzer is absolutely a great guy I met him at his book signing.
Fascinating and so pertinent to today’s politics
How do you know it's not just good fiction?
The background provided gives us great insight into our contemporary situation. Thank you, Mr. Kinzer, for your terrific book.
No wonder he gets no dislikes...Kinzer is amazing
The Toltec he’s got five,there are always some.
@@martinnolan4800 read manufacturing consent. That may be where his dislikes come from.
Of course, Kinzer's knowledge is impressive, and he includes the government more in the CIA action than David Talbot does, this is a big plus. What makes me think critically of Kinzer is his allegedly "historical understanding" of the 50s. It was clear to every sound person back then, after witnessing the atrocities of two world wars and in the terminal phase of British colonialism, that intervention and overthrow of democratically elected foreign governments were morally, legally, and politically wrong, and in the long run just stupid and counter-productive. The very mural by Rivera Kinzer praises speaks out loud enough. The deeper cause behind the CIA actions seems to me, as a European and German, to be the jingoistic tradition in US foreign history visible in the dealing with native Americans, Mexico, Hawaii, and the Philippines since the 19th century, and going back up to the hypocritical and self-serving ideology of pseudo-liberalism at the very beginning of the USA which veiled an openly racist and genocidal ideology based on social Darwinism. The Dulles brothers are not like "we" are or have been or were, they are on the evil side of history, and they were already in their time. In this respect, I agree more with Talbot, Hedges, and Chomsky, among others, Chomsky being a good example for someone who had a clear view already 50 years ago. I do not speak of Andrew Carnegie and William James. You easily find decent and mentally sound people in all ages.
I think I know the brothers that are responsible for the two dislikes.
There is so much in this presentation that explains our current global situation.
The Dulles' sense of "right and wrong" was incredibly warped if they thought it was o.k. to help steal the mineral wealth of smaller, defenseless peoples.
Trumpers have bought into it and don't even know it. Now that is major sad and infuriating.
@@Instramark Really? How? I don't remember him attacking any small countries to steal their minerals. I do remember the Clintons doing that though.
@@Instramark not trumpers, AMERICANS flat out. This ideology has been passed down to most leaders of this country and by default has remnants in the psyche of its privileged closeted citizens
Before you jump on a bandwagon, you should think a little bit and make sure you know where that wagon is even going.
@@Instramark Not like you, my useful idiot tool. You will believe whatever you hear from media over what you're actually seeing for yourself each day and so vote against your own interests.
I need this book.
My heart aches for America and the world.
I’m surprised that you still alive. 😱💪 it takes a lot of huevos. Thanks. ❤️
Mohammad Mosaddegh and the Iranian government offered to pay Anglo-Iranian on the basis of what they had declared on their tax statements: $1m.
"Oh, no," replied Anglo-Iranian. "We want $30m." Tell us now, where is the thievery?
Love the sense if humor he injects in storytelling. He us our real Mark Twain.
Stephen Kinzer has new book, Poisoner in Chief. A bit nightmareish, but worth trouble.
thanks
We feel that the evil seed is planted in the US with people like the Dulles brothers, therefore is in the US where the bad seed needs to be dug out, cure the soil to plant good seeds...We have tried very hard in Guatemala to live harmoniously again, unfortunatety we are running out of basic resourses..Thanks Mr. Kinzer for your research,, My family and Guatemalan organizations will love to help to bring and expose Diego's Rivera paint!
ESPETACULAR!!! CONGRATULATIONS FROM BRAZIL!!! 🖖
The closing joke about aa suitable home for Rivera's "Glorious Victory" made me howl. The Dulles bust story at minute 43 is hilarious too.
The Soviets hated Diego Rivera because he had helped hide Leon Trotsky from Stalin. Stalin's assassins tracked Trotsky to Rivera's place in Mexico and put an ice pick through Trotsky's skull.
Brilliant!
I just finish reading Harsh Times by Mario Vargas Joseph and now Steven cancer is one of my favorite authors he really knows of the damage. these two brothers have caused on the world in the past 60 years
Apples at $1.99 to $2.50 in US supermarkets and bananas at $0.39 per pound all the way up from Guatemala...I have seen that brilliant mural by Diego Rivera..Even on the internet I had to hunt for it.
Mr. Kinzer is a good writer (I bought and read his book Overthrow) and very entertaining speaker, but.. I.thought he was just a tad too jocular for these two very evil men. Would he have this tone if he were talking about Hitler or Stalin? I'm sure I'll buy this book, though He could have titled this book, The Dulles Brothers Do the Third World.
I disagree that the Dulles brother are "us". Not all of us..
Evil unfortunately among men is subjective. I know and perhaps you know, stealing, lying and murdering are wrong but we may have our exceptions. Those exceptions may be very stringent and few but those exceptions may differ to another person. Regardless to whether or not we know they acted despicably, Mr.Kinzer did good to try not to give opinion. Unfortunately when you show much bias, you invalidate you work in the eyes of most. Some people are meant to be a hammer, others are meant to be a net and Mr.Kinzer is a covered hook gently reeling people in.
It needs to be said that the Dulles brothers didn’t represent the vast majority of America’s people .
When he says “us” he means America as a whole. Which means the powers that make these moves and by default our complicit society. You think these foreign countries care that some have a better moral compass than those that choose these actions?
Excelente research! My parents in Guatemla are in their 80's now! They lived all the disasters created by this Evil brothers! In Guatemala we lost our "primavera" after these two insane people intervened...The country is barely surviving after 36 years of war! People in Guatemala new at that time that Los Gringos were doing this atrocity!
Los Gringos=Edomites of the Bible
I absolutely loved his ending, yes...
Dullas should be forced to look at that panting for all eternity
Interesting
Power has no enemy.
Today's July 6th, 2021. Frida Kahlo is being remembered today, as an artist. Six months prior, the Capitol was attacked by Americans who were willing to intervene in the certification of a lawful presidential election. This occurence of the number 6 gave me a chill. An elderly Mother of The Faith, born in Louisiana often attempted to explain numerology to her Citified young Great Grandchildren. These Dulles people and their roots in the Lutheran church are extremely important to note.
While I am respectful of people's opinions, those men were in league against Our Creator. Their 6,000 year respite is culminating now. Somehow we can feel it.
As the famous author James Baldwin once wrote, next time God won't send rains, He will send Fire!
Wake up people. Wake up. Thank you Stephen for your insight and understanding. The Dulles brothers were gangsters.
I have seen & heard enough sources, including ones that were there, that say the Vietnam war was over rubber trees & off-shore oil. Did the Dulles Brothers know this?
Eisenhower also warmed of amilitary/industrial complex in his farewell address…saw it on my I phone! He said it would destroy our democracy! Amazing!!
IAD was a high school hangout for us in the 1960s and was generally empty. I remember the bust, the reflection pool; a surreal setting one level below the departure level. Hiding that bust may simply have been an aesthetic choice. It was hideous.
10. Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the Lord was there:
13. Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.
14. Thus saith the Lord God; When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate.
15. As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the Lord.
☆Ezekiel 35:10,13-15
"God's eyes are upon the Sinful kingdom."....
This is what black & white, heaven or hell Calvinism will do to people. They not only believe that they have been predestined for heaven, but that certain other people are destined for hell & somehow it's their duty to send you there.
The Dulles Brothers had plenty of money. But would they do with all that money?
Nearly 60,000 US Military Persons Killed in Vietnam. Who knows how many Millions of civilians, let alone Vietnamese 🤔 Military, for.......???
Im waiting 😌.
The Economic Blockade that the United States imposed on Cuba, and which has been uninterrupted for more than 60 years, is the product of the revenge of the Dulles brothers against Fidel Castro, as a result of Castro expropriating the United Fruit Company (UFCO), more than 100,000 hectares of cultivation (Sugar Cane). Allen Dulles (CIA Director), and his brother John Foster Dulles (US Secretery of State), were a shareholder in UFCO, and were on the payroll for more than 30 years. Both bros. demanded payment from the Cuban gov’t for the land expropriated from the multinational, a ridiculously high amount, when the United Fruit Co. had obtained these large estates for $17 dollars per hectare and demanded compensation for $6,800 dollars per hectare. Castro was also asked to pay the cost of hotels, houses and casinos owned by the New York mafia and other figures of high politics in the US. As Cuba does not pay, the Economic Blockade continues. “If we can't assassinate Castro, let's assassinate his economy”. Now, 12 Presidents have passed in the White House, and the Blockade continues. Castro, Dulles Bros., Kennedy, LBJ and all that generation have already died; they are no longer here. And the Economic Blockade continues. Why? Why, if Castro NEVER affected the interests of the US people. Castro affected the interests of the New York Mafia, the UFCO and the interests of the Dulles Brothers. The Castro Gov't affected the interests some companies (6 companies), that conspired to assassinate him, but not affected the US People. (It would be an example to say that Mexico imposed an Economic Block on the US, cuz the US Gov’t confiscated properties from “El Chapo”, or from the Mexican Drug Trafficking Cartels). Castro never seized property from US citizens. Castro only seized the property of the New York Mafia. So, why? If perhaps the reason for the Blockade was cuz Castro was an ally of USSR, well, USSR has not existed for 33 years either. Then why? What is the reason for continuing with this Economic Blockade against Cuba? If you want to know about the atrocities and massacres of the UFCO and the CIA in Chile, Venezuela, Peru, Colombia, the Caribbean and Central America, consult Wikipedia: “Wars of the Banana Republics”. (From Stephen Kinzer book: “The Brothers”). Write the latter that appears in parentheses, and verify this information right here on CZcams. Or, do the same and search for it on Google.
We're those two responsible for the Korea?? Nothing mentioned about it???
For a long time we had 48 states. But now we have Hawaii and Alaska so now we have 50 states
This writer, his book, this conference and in particular the last 5 minutes of it, tells why in spite of the so many wrongdoing of American Governments (detailedly reported in the book) the USA was better partner than the Soviet Union, or now is better than Russia or China. In the USA can be a reaction, criticism, a hope for mending , all without a violent censure.
Tell that to seth rich, Danny casolaro, Gary webb, and Assange who survived a Pompeo assassination attempt
I have ordered Mr. Kinzer's book. But I must ask WHO built and funded the oil industry of Iran at the time of attempted nationalization? I think you will see Anglo European funding big time and who wouldn't defend their investment.
Iranian workers built it, no doubt. But I imagine you meant “financed.”
The question is, who is Mr Kinzer working for?
Not really. That's a distraction. The most important thing is to know his sources and where they come from or who they worked for. For the most part, it's the U.S. government and that's because it's obviously nothing bad in their opinion, it's continued tradition based on current actions. Such as when you unravel Venezuela.
take your meds
Maybe he’s working for himself ? and people generally . Just maybe ?
the evidence speaks for itself. No need to make stuff up.
Your stupid. Stick to selfies that’s what your small mind is best at
I have listened to Mr. Kinzer's talk and was reminded of my own exposure to what he is saying. I was born in Montreal Canada and attended McGill University between 1968 and 1972. Among the subjects I studied were economics and political science. At that time my school had many American students and I befriended several of them. One of my American friends provided a perspective on the matters discussed my Mr. Kinzer, which in my naive world view, I hadn't considered. My friend's father was in the OSS during the war and from all indications was in the CIA at the time. My schoolmate offered this thought; the idea that the Soviets were pursuing a policy of compromising nations around the world by destabilizing them politically and installing pro Soviet regimes hostile to the United States and the free world. Eastern Europe, Egypt, Syria, Iran, Cuba, China, Colombia, Viet Nam and Nicaragua to name a few. This was the Domino theory. To a group of individuals who had just defeated the Nazi evil of Hitler, what Stalin was doing was worse because he was doing it on a large scale and in America's backyard. Mr. Kinzer doesn't mention what was going on at the time and, it seems to me, to be portraying the situation rather simplistically. I emigrated to the U.S. in 1976 and am both a citizen and patriot who tends to examine historical events in the context of the "Zeitgeist" of the time unlike some others who have an antipathy toward this great nation.
Warfare means Bloodshed
I can't help but notice the faces of some of the people sat there, they don't look pleased.
Well, they are in DC lol
Search for the golf courses of Vietnam. We should have just built the golf courses. John Foster Dulles was a monster.
"The brothers" just fulfilling the prophecy in Rev.13:11 ...
Stop making that noise in between every sentence. I wish someone would edit that out of this video it's a good video otherwise
Does Chris Mathews from MSNBC still gush about "American Exceptionalism", I don't watch TV any more?
That’s the kind of talk that gets you epsteined.
Who are today’s Dulles brothers??
And endless supply of goons in the State department, I'd imagine.
The Wolfowitz Doctrine and Project for the New American Century.
When Japan was an enemy: A young man from Kentucky dropped Nuclear Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.. You would be lucky if you were just a shadow.
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In 26:00 he starts defining the offical conspiracy theory all US presidents and many Americans believe in. 32:00 "reverberating echo chamber for their own shared certainties... ". 34:00 Eisenhower believed in covert actions as a cheap and peaceful alternative to war. 37:30 shows that conspiracy theories can be true, that it is possible that one man or a handful of individuals can give politics an evil turn without anybody knowing and without taking the blame for the following 50 years.39:00 logo of COFR: UBIQUE.
And yet these assassinations were widely discussed and known. I grew up during that time and it was publically accepted as a function of the CIA. Those assassinations are a stain on our national reputation that we are still paying for.
It is particularly galling to learn that the Dulles brothers were using government personnel and resources to carry out assassinations for their private clients. This is why we have to prosecute anyone who abuses their government position to advance private interest for conflict of interest. They committed crimes in our name.
This airport should be renamed.
Read the Devil's chess board.
"Radical fanatics?" Iran never attacked anyone but ok they're the radicals. And everyone things you are normal?
We have insane religious nuts in America . Lol you honestly say with a straight face the ayatollah and his blindness followers are fanatical??? I’m sure Salman Rushdie would disagree with you
Although I do appreciate the fact that Kinzer brings a mix of less known politics and history into the mainstream .... I really don't like his style. He makes it so ... so clinical. As if he want's us to learn about history to better understand why things around the globe are happening today .... but that's it .... and then go home and moan your lawn. In other words if I wanted to talk about our world today I much rather talk to Chris Hedges than Stephen Kinzer.
How do you MOAN your lawn?
Unfortunately the BAD of the Dulles' has not been forgotten, but continues in the present: nothing has really changed in the approaches employed by the u.s. regime. Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Russia and China, to name the key countries experiencing mistaken u.s. policy, are consistently blamed for everything wrong in the contemporary political world.
If Kennedy didn't fire Dulles, Seretse Khama would have been the next victim, and Botswana would be in chaos. And these racists were Republicans. Cringe.
Except for the ones who were Democrats, yes! 😂
There is no such thing as “Trumpism”
Really? How so?
@@Instramark Trumpism is just one pouffy haired guy’s take on self promotion and naked grift. It is in no way unique. Obama did the same thing but in a different style.
This guy sounds like an infomercial guy.
Apropos Calvinism: The city of Geneva has expelled Calvin due to harshness and because he teached that you can earn heaven by good works, which is wrong. It's a gift. Noretheless one should live according Jesus teachings. What the Dulles brothers did is not christianism, because christians shall live with others in peace and nor raid other countries, nor dictate them, what they shall do, nor steal what they have.
I am Swiss from central Switzerland and third generation of swiss victims of the Nazis in ancient Freestate of Danzig, who never got a compensation for their lost 8 cheeseries due to the second world war and despite the Treaty of Washington from 1946, and I deeply regret that Switzerland had during and after the world wars such corruptible people and traitors at the democracy and traitors of christianism. They are a shame. Shall God revenge it at all these corrupt families.
And my message to Americans: Reflect what is Christianism according the Holy Bible and what is Democracy according definitions and that this is not compatible with freemasonery, because the all seeing eye on the top of the pyramid is Lucifer, the highest of the fallen angels, Satan, ISIS, Zeus, Apollyon. You cannot serve God and Satan, but you must decide, whom you follow: the mammon, megalomania and opressing the world with a NWO or Jesus and live in peace with others.
Calvin did NOT teach salvation by good works. He taught against that notion. He taught that salvation was unearned-by Grace alone.
Interesting topic, but please Stop smacking your mouth. It's gross!