Enemy Analysis # 2
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- čas přidán 17. 08. 2023
- The second episode of Enemy Analysis.
Unsurprisingly, the focus of the Boss Analysis series has been on... bosses. Big Bosses, Tiny Bosses, Bosses with low health, Pathetic Final Bosses, you name it.
But over all the attention I've lavished upon the biggest threats in gaming, their underlings are starting to feel a little left out. But I'm only too happy to change that, though they might not like exactly HOW I'm going to go about it...
Today, I talk about my most hated Legend of Zelda enemy ever. Er, most hated for gameplay-related reasons, to be more specific.
Enemy Analysis Playlist: • Enemy Analysis - Hry
Fun fact: Smashing Wizzrobes with the Hammer in Wind Waker will never not be funny.
I should point out that there is a shop that sells the Magical Shield for 90 Rupees, lower than 130. That's as low a price as it can go. Not to mention Moblins that give you free Rupees, even as high as 100, saying they're 'a secret to everybody'.
Or you can abuse the "Let's Play Money Making Game" rooms to farm the Rupees even quicker.
Zelda 2 had a lot of painful enemies too (Hate Blue Fokkas and Moas!) but unlike the original you could elude them. In original far too often the doors would lock or a block protecting a staircase would refuse to be pushed until all enemies are defeated. And Zelda 2 doesn't have enemies that eat your shield or curse you so you can't swing your sword. Just ones who drain your XP...
The moas are too fast for Link, but I discovered that the “Spell” spell was very useful AND cheap
Magic, too (damn Anti-Faries...).
Love the old school youtube vibe you went with. No ads, no inyour face shameless self promotions, no over the top effects, just straight intro and video. Respect
Now I can blame those guys for being the descendants of those dang ice mages from Link Between Worls. Being a pain runs in the family it seems
These were also in the Oracle Games, but at least there the combat was much better, so they're not AS annoying
I thought the Wizzrobe from Zelda I was the hardest and worst enemy. Then I played Zelda II and encountered the blue Iron Knuckles and blue Fokkas
Blue Fokkas I get, but Blue Iron Knuckles, not so much. They fire sword beams (or knives?), sure, but they're easily blocked by the shield if you pay attention to where they're swinging and well-timed jump strikes can make quick work of them. Personally, my vote for worst enemy were Red Dairas from that same game. Capable of cutting through your shield and having similar movement AI to Iron Knuckles means they're tough to fight and avoid unless you're going in the opposite direction from them.
Not as powerful as either of your choices, sure, but at the point you face them, they are basically the scourge of that game.
@@metaridley2911 Probably doesn't help that you need the hammer and the raft to get the reflect spell if I'm not mistaken, meaning that empowering your shield with the reflect magic so you can block axes isn't even possible this early.
While the Blue Wizzrobes themselves never appeared in another game (as far as I know), their sprite did make a return Hyrule Warriors’ Adventure Mode. It was used for the character named Wizzro
Wizzro himself is essentially a what-if-the-Wizzrobe-was-a-Musou-commander.
Also, he's probably one of the most annoying/difficult characters to fight against despite being the weakest commander in-story.
Blue Wizrobes actually make a reappearance in the 2 Oracle games. However, between diagonal movement and the fact that a lot more things hurt them, they're much easier to deal with. :3
I think they also may have taken an offense nerf? I don't remember them doing 4 hearts there...
Grrrrrrr, hate those things.
Also I feel the Darknuts/Iron Knuckles should be mentioned they can only be hurt one way and the grid movement doesn't help.
I do except them in Zelda 2.
Should there be a discussion on the first Mario Hammer Bros?
There's a room in 2nd Quest (I think the 5th Dungeon?) that's just a spiral. It has like 10 of these bastards in there.
There is no way to avoid anything here. In addition, I think there's Like-Likes in the dungeon too.
The only way I ever got past that room was to get a lucky Clock drop.
Not only is that awful, but it's the single most memorable thing about the entire game for me.
Remember the I Hate Chorkings and I Love Skull Eaters episodes, which focused on video game henchmen? You can use the same naming pattern for future henchman episodes.
I had thought about doing that, but unfortunately, the name of a video can be more important than the video itself, and because it's been so long since I used those names, I fear they won't get as many views.
Honestly, I wish I didn't have to categorize my videos into series at all and could get people watching literally anything I do.
Oh god, I hate these things. They suck to deal with in tight dungeon rooms.
LTTP is basically the only Zelda I’ve never played for more than maybe an hour (didn’t vibe with it when I was younger and didn’t have motivation to give it another go), but the Wizzrobe in that game is legit just the Black mage from Final Fantasy? Gonna give a hot take but I kind of prefer the Bird Wizzrobe design in Wind Waker.
Bird Wizzrobes also have that hilarious voice x)
Enjoying these enemy videos more than the boss ones! And I already liked those.
I love you still pull up with that rage montage woth the Battletoads chicken doctor and Von Karma from so many moons ago to this day (Falco's swear storm got me rolling the first time I watchednit lol)
i was wondering what the last post was about, honestly i have no idea, just happy to see new entries in the series i enjoy, even if they're a little different.
I think they're in Link's Awaking as well, and they're immune to sword attacks, so you have to either use up arrows or bombs. both of which are limited.
At least they’re easier to hit with the bow
Blue wizzrobes are certainly annoying sure, but if you play the Second Quest, it's far more likely that you'll grow to hate Blue Darknuts and Red Bubbles more. Blue Darknuts are simpler than Blue Wizzrobes, but these bastards are damn near everywhere in the later dungeons, and you will inevitably have to fight through rooms of 12 every other time, or even worse: get trapped in a dead-end and be forced to fight your way out. You will particularly grow to hate how obnoxiously defensive and aggresive they are. It's to the point that experienced players, even with the Magical Sword, tend to not bother and instead try to blow them up. Red Bubbles are like regular Bubbles... except that they **permanently remove your sword.** You can get it back by touching a Blue Bubble or drinking medicine, but have fun doing that while getting attacked by Wizzrobes and Darknuts!
You can also just play the flute, supposedly that cures it too.
Remember, your magic wand can be a white sword that's immune to the bubbles; I don't remember how early you normally get it, but it's not hard to get it really early on (along with the Magic Key for infinite keys), as a swordless playthrough will usually get it in like the third dungeon they do.
"Okay, maybe we should make an item that helps you deal with blue wizzrobes"
"How about we make the item way too expensive, and disintegrate like all shields do when you touch a lyke lyke?"
"Good news, youre getting a promotion"
Ooh a Double Boss Analysis video in a row nice😁
I love this kind of videos! There are so many hateful enemies in games, like the red arremers in Ghost n' Goblins, the hammer brothers in Super Mario, etc.
How about the falcons in Ninja Gaiden?
I share the same feeling, my first Zelda game was this one, and Wizzrobes were the bane of my gameplay when i was a kid, level 6 was horrendous, all because of the wizzrobes, especially the blue ones. (I did not beat the game until not long ago)
I absolutely loath them in Link's Awakening, because they can't be killed with the sword
Yeah, whose bright idea was it to basically force the player to use either Bombs or Arrows against Wizzrobes? Granted, you can at least stun them with I recall the Hookshot to be able to throw them against each other, but the originally stunned Wizzrobe won't be killed this way.
@@MasterKnightDH at least no doors require them to die, so you aren't forced into a game over
Traveling Blue Wizzrobes are in the Oracle games as well. They can still be annoying, but their movement in those games are far less random. They don’t teleport as erratically as Zelda 1 Blue Wizzrobes
I love Wizzrobes in Wind Waker, but these are monstrous.
“Fresh meat! Fresh meat! Fresh meat!”
Just finished my first Zelda 1 playthrough a few days ago (emulated on a phone), and these guys were absolutely awful to fight. Most of my encounters with them were won simply by spamming the sword and hoping to tank them Mega Man-style, although I had a much harder time with blue Darknuts. "Hey Link, come over here and poke me while my back's vulnerable-- HA, PSYCH!!"
And both enemies are immune to projectiles and frequently placed in rooms with Bubbles... because of course they are.
This video has made me realize that I have NEVER beaten the first Zelda 😮. I'm basically of the same opinion where I acknowledge it's legacy, but I just can't bring myself to ever play it for more than 20 mins and forget about it. Spose it's probably not a very long game...maybe I should bite the bullet and finish it for bucket list like reasons. LttP on the other hand I have finished more times than I can count!😊
Blue Wizzrobes returned in Oracle of Ages/Seasons.
In Ages, they were encountered in the Black Tower Turret. Seasons had them starting in Lv. 7 Hero's Crypt.
Streetcleaners, Mindflayers and Hideous Masses in ULTRAKILL frustrate me immensely. Swordsmachines, Virtues, and Malicious Faces only prove to be a nuisance in crowded fights, but alone are often easy to deal with.
People may call me weird for preferring Zelda II over the original...but that's just how I am. If you can't cope with that, then leave me alone.
I didn't mind Zelda 2, except for a few of the areas that were more difficult to find than others. 😅 It was a good game for its time.
And here I thought wallmasters would never be dethroned...
No wonder one became a boss on the CDI
If I could suggest an enemy for this sub series, maybe the clotty from the binding of Isaac? I always find it really annoying especially for being a first floor enemy, plus it gets a 10x more annoying variant in the burning basement
I'm late, but the hopping spiders in Cellar are infamous for sniping players, especially in rooms larger than 1x1.
I actually think Zelda 1 has aged better than nearly every other NES game. Oh it’s definitely archaic as heck but I find it more enjoyable to play than most games of the era. But those evil, evil Blue Wizzrobes made Level 6 a nightmare to complete, even with rewinds on NSO. They just spam them in every single room and expect you to get past them when other enemies are after you, narrow walls trap you and Bubbles fly around to remove your ability to stab for a few seconds. They could’ve easily fixed it by allowing us to attack them from a safe distance with arrows or even the Magic Rod, but no! They’re IMMUNE. Completely unfair enemy design further compounded by bad level design.
Other hateful enemies are the demons from Ghosts n' goblins franchise and the gorila robots from Metal gear rising.
And then the most frustrating enemy from GnG gets his own series.
One interesting mitigating factor to the Blue Wizzrobes is that you don't have to stay and fight the vast majority of them. Most encounters there's some way to skip fighting in the room all together. There's 1 encounter of I think 6 at once (nothing else) that you have to do and that's the most there ever is at once for a mandatory fight.
One my joy con was broken left one and was 2 years due Wizzrobe in NES online LoZ by pounding in frustration, feel that regret since then
hello my fellow ginger snaper, this is a splendid video on social media right here mate :D
I like-like the new intro! 😂
I played Zelda 1, 2, and A Link to the Past for the first time not too long ago, and I share your feelings almost completely. I thought the first game was okay, but I did think its gameplay was dated. And I hated those Wizzrobes immensely! I don’t regret using save states on their rooms; it just wasn’t fun. I enjoyed Zelda 2 much more despite having some issues with it. And A Link to the Past blew me away. On its own it’s a fantastic game, but seeing how much an improvement it was over the first game just made it even more astonishing.
Ah, last time when I was trying to think of enemies that caused the most grief, I completely forgot about the Blue Wizzrobes. Yeah, those guys are crazy for being regular enemies! I don't even think the fight with Ganon is as hard to handle as they are.
The only thing about red wizzrobes that's stronger, are their projectiles. Without a barrier ring, they do the exact same damage as Gannon teleporting onto you (meaning a whopping four hearts with the green tunic). Blue ones only shoot half-as-strong projectiles.
As someone who has beaten both quests of Zelda 1 swordless, the Wizzrobes are the absolute worst in the first quest. They're notable for being the only enemies as far as I remember that are immune to the handle of the Magic Wand; to all others, it basically functions as a White Sword. As a result, you must kill them with bombs instead, which can be very frustrating when you're stuck with such a limited supply. You have to hit each blue one with 3 bombs to kill them too, which is more than most other enemies. Blue Darknuts can also be pretty awful until you get the Magic Wand, especially since they can block bomb damage (but still act as if they are getting damaged by it) in a weird way, but are a complete joke after you have the wand (at least by swordless standards).
Hilariously, the 2nd quest is actually way easier swordless than the first, as not only can you get the Magic Wand and Magic Key very early, but there's only one room in the entire quest where you are required to fight Blue Wizzrobes (and any Wizzrobes at all, I think, but it's not like fighting just Red Wizzrobes would be hard), and that comes very late when you almost certainly have 16 bombs, but also just blocks an item so if you do it once you're good forever (unlike some rooms in the first quest that you may need to get past repeatedly). There are plenty you need to run past but that's a billion times easier than killing them.
Always hated goddamn wizzrobes every time they showed up. They usually aren't the most difficult, but they are always annoying as hell.
I think I hate the red ones even more. They tend to spawn on the same tile, fire their beams at the same time and deals damage for each of the beams, resulting in absurly high damages and a frustrating game over.
One other point is that they aren't pushed away by the stab in the same way that most other enemies in the game do. (This is also why the range of the sword isn't really a problem for most of the game, but can be in specific cases like this)
This variation was also in the later dungeons of the Oracle games, but at least there's a few things to make them easier. Free movement, long sword swipes instead of stabs, the ability to jump over their magic, and the fact they don't actually disappear as they float around: just turn transparent so you'll know where they are at all times. Agree with you though, these guys in the original are heccing annoying.
I remember you making a video about the Tektites
As a Zelda 1 speedrunner, hearing you make all these valid complaints was deeply saddening, Leave my poor baby alone!!!
(Wizrobes do kinda suck tho)
(with venom in his voice) Wizzrobes... 😡
Wizzrobes are the reason why I always dread the sixth dungeon in every Zelda game.
tbh, Zelda II seems closer to modern 3D Zelda titles than any other
the ice wizzrobe in four swords was an absolute ASS
THIS
How did people manage to get thru hero's trial when these were spammed everywhere
@@TrueCobalion i have no idea, but i somehow did. it's a miracle my DS wasn't broken by then.
Link's awakening had moonwalk making it the better control zelda game
I do remember seeing Blue Wizzrobes in the Oracle duo and they act somewhat similarly, but Link’s movement is better (there’s even the Roc’s Feather/Cape and Pegasus Seeds to help), the sword swing is the slash type, and there’s more options available to the player, so they’re nowhere near as bad as Zelda 1
The SNES controller doesn't do diagonals either, but that doesn't stop Link!
I can do you one better: Startropics 2: Zoda's Revenge, which IS on the NES, involves Mike being able to move and attack in diagonals.
My most hated Zelda 1 enemy are Like Likes. Sure, Wizzrobes in general are annoying, but way better to confront with a Magic Shield. But how long until the shield is eaten? The developers really chose the worst places to put TONS of Like Likes in, including when they're with many Wizzrobes in the same room!
Your only saving grace against those is how quickly the game gives you a Boomerang with which to alternate Rang and Sword to stunlock these things. Now if only Wizzrobes could be stunned the same way
Lub Lub is the most annoying enemy, most annoying boss, and the strongest character in gaming ever. Resistance is futile. if you live, Lub Lub WILL find you. there is no safety at the hands of Lub Lub's hatred.
I'd say my least favourite enemies in Zelda would be Four Swords' version of the darknuts. They only lower their guard when attacking. Aside from having high durability, they often appear in groups and are rather fast. Not a fan of the design either, they look rather underwhelming compared to previous and later versions of darknuts and iron knuckles.
The cherry on top is that you're constantly being timed throughout every stage and few things make me want to speedrun a game less than enemies that I need to counterattack acting inconsistently.
Killing wizzrobes in Majoras Mask and BOTW/TOTK feels so good after years of hating them in Zelda 1 and ALTTP. Their TMC incarnation is really annoying as well. Playing Links Awakening rn. Dreading their take on the hooded horrors.
These guys kinda remind me of the Wizards from The Tower of Druaga. Coincidence?
The only consolation (If any) is that the blue Wizzrobes seem to be weaker than the red ones. Without any defense rings, those red crapholes deal a massive four hearts of damage! Fortunately, they're stationary, and they're defensively weaker. Still I think the blue Wizzrobes are the worst, simply because they can move. DIAGONALLY.
I find the Wizzrobes in the Oracles games to be more annoying and painful, myself, but let's not open up that wound! (I definitely understand Zelda 1 being awkward and painful for people. Hell, Wizzrobes are the reason I never beat Zelda 1 as a kid, the gauntlet of Wizzrobes in Dungeon 6 made sure I never ended up seeing the boss there! But I find Zelda 2 more frustrating, myself, I just can't bring myself to finish it...I don't end up having any fun, and I've tried a few times. Ah well. I can imagine different Zelda games trouble different Zelda fans, and that's fair enough. Everyone has trouble with different things, and all that.)
And Git leaves on a cliffhanger for the next episode, since now propably people are asking, what his most hated Zelda enemy for other reasons is.^^
My guess is Redeads, he's made his thoughts on them clear before
the discussion of how the original zelda feels to play is why i prefer using zeldaClassic to play it instead.
...well, that and my obsession with high amounts of player created content.
IDK why Hyrule Warriors Changed the Wizrobes name to Wizzro. It seemed unnecessary.
On a swordless run, they're even more of a pain. The only reliable way to take them out that doesn't use consumables (bombs) is melee hits with the magic wand. Problem is, the way to get the wand in the 1st quest is to bomb your way through OTHER blue wizz-d1cks AND walls in the right dungeon. (I believe it was the 6th) Enemies I hate? More like MEGA-LOATHE.
Also, avoid the magic book like the bubonic plague. The fires it creates with the wand hurt you more than your enemies in the long run. Why in the name of all that is freakin' holy they decided to make it so your own fires hurt you, I'll never understand.
I forgot about the self-damaging part of the fire. All I remembered was that it made it harder to spam the Wand.
In The Oracle Games the Blue Wizzropes had an Come Back So Yeah its Not The Only one but in The Original They sure are the Most Painfull once :D
By The Way on The Zelda Classic Fan Game there are even more new Wizzrope Variants You Would Absolutly Love i mean hate The White ones :D
If you didn’t like zelda 1, what do you think of crystalis? In my opinion this is a better game like zelda than zelda 1 on the NES. Because for one the control is not completely rigid like zelda 1. 2. The story and challenge feels better in my opinion. The only things that suck are that the third to last dungeon deserves to be in worst levels ever. And the game is a bit cryptic.
Never played it.
@@whoisthisgit You should.
Oh boy if you hated that enemy, you must really hate the blue dark knights or the blue fokkas you find in the last Temple in Zelda 2. Those bastards suck for the same reasons we hate the blue wizrobes but really its the fokkas you will hate here.
I don't feel like the original Zelda aged very well. People might complain that modern games do too much 'hand-holding' but I think I'd rather have that than no idea what you're supposed to do. Between hiding secrets in completely unmarked and unremarkable locations, cryptic clues that leave more questions than answers, items that have functions that aren't explained in any way, and spots you might have no idea what to do with at all unless you happen to have a specific item you have no other need for, it kind of feels like the player experience wasn't considered at all. I don't even have that much problem with the gameplay in particular, it's the design philosophy I don't care for.
Zelda 2 is...not significantly better, IMO. It has the same obtuseness problems, compounded by slow text that has messages that either did not translate well or just weren't written well, and has a difficulty level that borders on absurd, combined with a 'continue' mechanic that requires tedious retreading.
To be fair, though, most early versions have roughness. When lessons are learned and applied to future installments, that makes the early roughness worth it. And often the ideas are sound, it's just a matter of execution.
Yeah, the NES had involved experimental handling to say the least, and it shows its age as a result. The SNES library still has its own issues, but at least games like Link to the Past and Secret of Evermore got a handle on what they were doing, and this is keeping in mind that I'm particularly interested in the upcoming Super Mario RPG remaster because it shows it's going to update core gameplay like Pac-Man World Re-Pac did, when I actually wouldn't have minded SMRPG remaster keeping the same old blatant imbalances and whatnot even if it wouldn't convince me to buy a Switch. In all honesty? I think game design should start to learn to standardize TLC.
In regard to Zelda, LTTP added a chargeup attack in the spin attack, so that right there is a MAJOR improvement. It's also surprisingly overall fair to Minimalist/No Damage Running aside from a few cheap moments of potential RNG spike or other overwhelming idiocy. Bosses still have hit-or-miss gameplay design, but overall does still have Helmasaur King and Kholdstare at the very least aging well and does still have boss design be more methodical in general. Oh, and yes, as you pointed out, the puzzle solving is actually improved, and it especially helps to make Gargoyle's Domain my favorite dungeon in LTTP.
Oh, and Wizzrobes in LTTP? They aren't the cheap nightmares that they are in both NES Zeldas. Granted, they are practically junk mooks, but at least we don't have either what this video shows, or random telefragging mixed with a God damned spell cast requirement.
Still, good point about lessons and all that at the end.
As someone who played the game for the first time recently, I think it aged a lot better than most people think. It's just that the game is designed for you to play with the manual alongside it. For example, the manual shows a "?" on many of the screens that have secrets, explains what the items do, hints where the next dungeons are, etc.
I did get stuck a few times (feeding the Goriya in level 7, bombing into a room that isn't on the map in level 7, and finding the tree for level 8), but I managed to beat it without having to resort to a walkthrough.
0:16 I think the closest you came to featuring the original Legend of Zelda (until now, of course) is featuring the Legend of Zelda section in Abobo's Big Adventure (if I remember correctly)